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Podcast Episode Notes: WSJ What’s News - "Would Denmark Ever Sell Greenland?"
Episode Information
- Date: January 7, 2023
- Host: Luke Vargas
- Featured Guest: Daniel Michaels (WSJ Brussels Bureau Chief)
- Key Topics: Greenland acquisition discussion, Venezuela oil deal, stock market predictions.
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Summary This episode of WSJ's "What’s News" explores the potential for the U.S. to acquire Greenland, following President Trump's provocative statements. It also discusses Venezuela's willingness to provide the U.S. with oil and the optimistic outlook of major banks regarding the stock market.
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Key Discussions
Greenland Acquisition
- U.S. Negotiation Tactics:
- President Trump's administration is reportedly looking to buy Greenland, using aggressive rhetoric to pressure Denmark into negotiations.
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio's remarks indicate a strategic push for U.S. ownership.
- International Reactions:
- Six European leaders issued a joint statement emphasizing the importance of collective security in the Arctic, in light of U.S. threats towards Greenland.
- Most Greenlanders oppose becoming part of the U.S., complicating the narrative.
- Geostrategic Considerations:
- Concerns about Russia and China's military expansions influence U.S. national security interests in Greenland.
- Diplomatic tensions are evident, with Denmark warning that an invasion could jeopardize NATO alliances.
- Potential for a Deal:
- While there are ideas about a compact of free association with Greenland, European nations and Greenlanders have shown no openness to U.S. ownership as of now.
Venezuelan Oil Deal
- President Trump's Announcement:
- Venezuela intends to provide the U.S. with 30 to 50 million barrels of oil.
- This represents a significant portion of Venezuela's production, valued at $1.5 to $2.5 billion at current prices.
- Impact on U.S. Economy:
- This deal could benefit U.S. refiners, specifically those on the Gulf Coast, due to the need for heavy crude oil.
- Major oil companies, including Chevron and ExxonMobil, are involved in discussions related to investments in Venezuela.
Stock Market Predictions
- Market Performance:
- The Dow Jones index has its strongest start since 2003, with many global stock indexes hitting record highs.
- Expectations for 2026:
- Big banks, including Bank of America and JPMorgan, predict continued growth in the stock market, despite concerns over potential market bubbles.
- There are indications of caution regarding tech sectors, particularly AI, which may face challenges after last year's high performance.
- Upcoming Economic Indicators:
- Investors are looking forward to upcoming job openings data and the December jobs report to gauge economic health.
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Key Takeaways
- The U.S. approach to Greenland is characterized by aggressive negotiation tactics that may undermine diplomatic relations.
- Venezuela's oil deal presents significant economic opportunities for the U.S. but is contingent on the political climate in both nations.
- Optimism regarding stock market growth exists, yet there is cautious scrutiny over certain sectors that could falter.
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Conclusion The episode highlights the intricate interplay between U.S. foreign policy, economic opportunities, and market forecasts, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of critical global issues at the start of 2023.
For further insights and discussions, listeners are encouraged to join the live Q&A on WSJ.com and tune in for more episodes.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOU.S. Interests in Greenland
0:32 to 1:07
Exploring the U.S. intentions regarding Greenland amidst geopolitical tensions.
“The White House talks tough on Greenland, but is it just a pretext for negotiations over a sale of the island?”
European Concerns over Greenland
1:08 to 2:02
Discussing European leaders' reactions to U.S. threats about Greenland.
“I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal.”
Geostrategic Implications
2:05 to 4:39
Analyzing the geopolitical ramifications of the U.S. stance on Greenland.
“Dan, how should we be interpreting these statements from Copenhagen as well as from other European capitals?”
Potential for U.S.-Greenland Deal
4:40 to 5:12
Examining the prospects for a possible U.S. deal with Greenland.
“Nobody in Europe seems amenable to it yet.”
Venezuela's Oil Strategy
5:39 to 6:40
Insights into Venezuela's oil supply plans and implications for the U.S.
“President Trump says that Venezuela intends to give the U.S.”
Market Trends and Predictions
9:07 to 13:13
Discussing the ongoing market rally and future expectations in various sectors.
“Well, for anyone wondering whether the past year's market rally has an end, think again.”
Understanding Insolvency and Regulation
14:00 to 14:15
Learn how insolvency is defined and the methods companies use to stabilize.
“And how a company is stabilised or regulated.”
Transcript
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0:39Plus what 50 million barrels of Venezuelan oil could mean for U.S. refiners. And big banks seem to shrug off bubble fears, predicting another strong year for markets. There's also concern that some of the trades that really powered the market higher last year could struggle this year. Namely, AI is top of the list there. And I think a lot of investors have some concern that we could see more of that happen again this year. It's Wednesday, January 7th. I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal. And here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.
1:18We are exclusively reporting that President Trump may be seeking to buy Greenland and that recent threats made about the island amount to rhetoric intended to push Denmark to enter into negotiations that would see it hand over control. That is according to remarks by Secretary of State Marco Rubio to U.S. lawmakers on Monday. Fears of an aggressive American action led six European leaders yesterday to issue a joint statement with Denmark's prime minister that called on Washington to collectively work with allies over security concerns in the Arctic. Polling also shows that most Greenlanders oppose becoming part of the U.S.
1:57But is that the end of the story or just the backdrop for diplomatic dealings? Daniel Michaels is the journal's Brussels bureau chief. Dan, how should we be interpreting these statements from Copenhagen as well as from other European capitals? And for that matter, what we're hearing from the U.S.? There are two levels to this. One is the geostrategic picture, and the other is just the politics and international relations of the day. Since Russia has become more aggressive in Ukraine and beyond, fears of Russia have increased. And part of that includes a growing fear of nuclear attack, which involves missiles launched from Russia towards North America.
2:39Layer on top of that, China is very quickly expanding its nuclear arsenal, and any missiles launched from China to the U.S. would pass over the high north, including over Greenland. So the U.S. has very serious, real national security concerns that Greenland fits into in a big way. But then there is the diplomacy of this, which is obviously rubbing Denmark and Europeans the wrong way because the way the Trump administration is going about presenting its case for greater U.S. presence in Greenland, which basically is that we need to own it in order to do something there. Right. And on the diplomatic front, I noticed the Danish prime minister warning yesterday that the country's NATO alliance with the U.S.
3:28could collapse were the U.S. to invade Greenland. That could well be true, Dan. But should we not bear in mind that there's reason to think Trump, if he is thinking about some sort of purchase here, seems to view close relationships as the ones that can be most tested? Trump does seem to take a maximalist approach with allies fairly often. He did it with NATO itself last year, where NATO had been targeting spending 2 % of gross domestic product on defense, and he pushed that to 5%. And almost nobody this time last year would have predicted that by the end of June, NATO would unanimously agree to do that.
4:07So it does seem that with Greenland, Trump and his administration are taking, again, a maximalist approach at the same time that Secretary of State Rubio and some other people close to the administration more quietly seem to be taking the approach that, no, we're not going to invade Greenland. We want to own it. We want you to sell it to us. And that the more muscular rhetoric really is a negotiating tactic. That's the context around the U.S. approach here. Are you hearing anything that would suggest there's a path in which a deal could happen? There is a potential path. Nobody in Europe seems amenable to it yet.
4:48It may be one of these things where what one day seems impossible not long after is actually achievable. That is an approach that is getting mentioned more and more often for Greenland, that the U.S. might strike some kind of compact of free association with Greenland. Denmark hasn't signaled any openness to that yet. Greenlanders themselves don't seem open to it. It does seem that the U.S. administration is looking for potential friends in Greenland and Denmark, trying to identify Greenlanders who might work with it and might lead what one might call an independence movement, even if it would only be independence from Greenland and then dependence on the United States.
5:30Daniel Michaels is the Journal's Brussels Bureau Chief. Dan, Thank you so much, as always. Thank you. Always good to talk.
5:39President Trump says that Venezuela intends to give the U.S. between 30 and 50 million barrels of oil, with the White House using the proceeds to benefit both countries. Venezuela's Ministry of Information didn't respond to requests for comment. Journal Energy Markets reporter Rebecca Fung explained what the barrels would amount to for the U.S. The amount of oil that Trump says Venezuela will give to the U.S. is pretty significant. It's up to 15 % of all the crude that Venezuela currently produces in a year. It would take as many as 25 of the largest oil tankers in the world to transport that oil.
6:13This is good news for Gulf Coast refineries and by extension U.S. consumers because Venezuela oil is of a particular kind, which is the heavy crude that refineries along the Gulf Coast have been looking for new sources in recent years. Energy consultants value those barrels between$1.5 and$2.5 billion of the current benchmark prices. Representatives from Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and ExxonMobil are expected to attend a White House meeting on Friday to discuss potential investments in Venezuela. What do you want to know about the situation in Venezuela and what comes next? Journal reporters Alexander Ward and David Huberti are holding a live Q &A on WSJ.com today at 3 p.m.
6:54Eastern. To submit a question, check out the link we've left in our show notes. European officials are looking to the White House for a public commitment to backstop Ukraine's security, a day after the UK and France pledged to set up military hubs for their troops in the country if Kiev can agree to a ceasefire with Russia. They'd also build factories to produce weapons and military equipment. British Prime Minister Keir Starmer talked up the agreement, which offers the clearest details yet of the security guarantees Western allies are willing to offer Ukraine. This is a vital part of our ironcast commitment to stand with Ukraine for the long term.
7:32It paves the way for the legal framework under which British, French, and partner forces could operate on Ukrainian soil. Trump administration officials had made clear that a U.S. backstop was dependent on commitments from Ukraine's European allies. And let's turn now to Wyoming, where abortion will stay legal after the state's Supreme Court struck down two abortion bans on Tuesday. The court ruled that two laws barring the procedure, including the nation's first ban on abortion pills, violated the state constitution. In a 4-1 decision, the justices sided with the state's only abortion clinic and people who had sued over the abortion bans passed since 2022 when the U.S.
8:17Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Coming up, we'll take a closer look at markets as stocks around the world hit fresh highs, extending a record rally. But how long can it last? That's after the break.
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9:07Well, for anyone wondering whether the past year's market rally has an end, think again. The Dow has had its strongest start since 2003 as U.S. stock markets enter year four of their rally. And not even uncertainty around Venezuela has knocked things off course, with indexes in Japan, Singapore, South Korea and London hitting all-time closing highs this week. Our Daniel Bach spoke to Journal Markets reporter Caitlin McCabe about the rally and how long it's expected to last. Investors are expecting more strong corporate earnings. Tax cuts this year are expected to really benefit corporations, too.
9:45I think there's a consensus that the economy will more or less hold up this year. And also, crucially, traders are expecting the Federal Reserve to continue to cut rates, which typically benefits the stock market. So taking all of that together, we're seeing this show up in predictions from big banks in terms of where they see the S &P 500 finishing this year. Bank of America, for example, sees the S &P 500 ending the year 3.7 percent higher than it did in 2025, while JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs are expecting even bigger gains. Though, Caitlin, I imagine there is some caution thinking about sectors that showed weakness last year.
10:28Well, I think we've seen some signs already that areas of the market may have run up too far too fast. If you look at Bitcoin, for example, and meme stocks that are popular among retail investors, those have faltered a bit after charging really high last year. And more broadly, there's also concern that some of the trades that really powered the market higher last year could struggle this year. Namely, AI is top of the list there. We saw some jitters about artificial intelligence creep into the market toward the end of last year. And I think a lot of investors have some concern that we could see more of that happen again this year.
11:10If the S &P 500 rises this year, it would be the longest winning streak since 2007. So that's nearly 20 years ago. And in the index's history, there's only been five times where the S &P 500 has risen for four or more years in a row. Investors will get their next look at the economy's health, starting with jolts, job openings, and labor turnover data for November. That's due out this morning at 10 a.m. Eastern, and the December jobs report is coming on Friday. As far as companies and sectors go, fourth quarter earnings begin soon, and in particular, healthcare and biotech companies will be hoping for better performance in 2026.
11:47In the last few years, we've seen this massive downturn in biotech. Even as AI and other areas of innovation have done well, biotech has struggled, Layoffs companies are closing. And, you know, interest rates have had a lot to do with that there too. The last six months or so, it's started to turn around. That's Journal Heard on the Street columnist David Wehner on the latest episode of WSJ's Take on the Week. David added that news about even wider access to GLP-1 weight loss drugs could be a real boon for the health care space. Shares of Novo Nordisk jumped earlier this week after the drugmaker said its new Wagovi weight loss pill is now widely available in the U.S.
12:26Sharers and rival Eli Lilly dropped on the news, but Lilly is also expected to introduce its own weight loss pill soon. Here's David again. So we're going to see potentially a really big year for these companies. Now, this is kind of similar to the AI trade because Eli Lilly recently crossed the$1 trillion threshold. It's the only health care company outside of Berkshire Hathaway and the tech companies to have crossed that. So the market has run pretty quickly ahead on this. And so the question for this year is whether these companies are going to deliver on the promise of obesity. So we'll see what happens.
13:00And it's really significant for the entire health care space because, you know, biotech companies have surged on the anticipation that all that money is used to acquire them. There's a lot of GLP-1 biotechs. It's just like a really important space to watch. And for more market trends to watch in 2026, check out the latest episode of WSJ's Take on the Week at the top of the feed wherever you get your podcasts. And that's it for What's News for this Wednesday morning. Today's show was produced by Hattie Moyer and Daniel Bach, our supervising producer with Sandra Killhoff, and I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal.
13:33We will be back tonight with a new show. And until then, thanks for listening.
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A.M. Edition for Jan. 7. We exclusively report that President Trump may be aiming to buy Greenland, and that threatening rhetoric about the island is meant to pressure Denmark into negotiations. WSJ Brussels bureau chief Daniel Michaels discusses whether there’s any path to a potential deal. Plus, President Trump says Venezuela will give the U.S. up to 50 million barrels of oil. And we'll look at big banks' bullish predictions for the stock market in 2026 despite last year's runup. Luke Vargas hosts.
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