#65 The London Marathon and Why Do Women Wear Tights?

30 Apr 2026 · 53 min · 22 chapters

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In short

A chatty, comedic episode mixing London spring/summer life, the London Marathon (including charity and record performances), and sex/queer culture topics like “chill-outs,” plus a recurring gag about tights and gorilla documentaries.

Guests

No guests. Hosts are Mark T. Cox and Dennis Len.

Key claims

  • London’s sunny season changes behavior: people sit on grass in parks, drink cans, and it’s “not very smart/chic.”
  • The London Marathon is inspiring: world records, people finishing despite disabilities, and charity-driven participation.
  • “Chill out” rooms are LGBT romance gatherings (often in upscale buildings with low lighting), not just parties.
  • Tights are mainly for warmth and smooth appearance; they’re prone to ripping quickly.

Notable examples

  • A man carrying a 25kg fridge for dementia-related reasons.
  • Under-2-hour marathon times and an MS runner “flying.”
  • A blind runner needing a guide.
  • A washing-machine flood caused by drying one pair of tights; tights “come out through” fishnets.

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Chapters

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Weather and Mood

0:45 to 2:44

The hosts discuss the weather and how it influences their mood.

“I was in the city at the weekend doing my walking tours.”

Socializing on Grass

2:44 to 4:51

A humorous debate on the merits and downsides of sitting on grass in parks.

“Could we sit at a table in a nice garden?”

Barbecues and Takeaway Culture

4:51 to 9:08

The hosts explore their frustrations with barbecues and takeaway dining experiences.

“I'm going to go over there because I don't want to talk to you anymore What is the difference between this and being in a bar though?”

Flirting and Public Attention

9:08 to 10:47

A discussion on the dynamics of flirting and social interactions in public settings.

Tour Guiding Stories

10:47 to 12:10

The hosts share experiences as tour guides and the unique challenges they face.

“He just looks back and says, say hello to Dennis for me.”

Challenges of Running Tours During the Marathon

14:01 to 15:18

Learn about the unique challenges faced by walking tour guides during major events like the London Marathon.

“Does it ever feel weird when you're walking ahead of everyone?”

Impressive Marathon Feats and Personal Stories

15:19 to 16:47

Discover inspiring stories from the London Marathon, including personal struggles and symbolic gestures.

“I thought it was amazing I thought it was like a real show of lovely things it is between human beings and much needed at the moment.”

The Marathon Experience and Its Impact

16:48 to 19:06

Explore the emotional aspects and societal reactions surrounding marathon participants and their achievements.

“So he has a gene in his family that causes dementia.”

Celebrity Sightings and Celebrity Culture in Marathons

19:07 to 21:20

Discuss the role of celebrities at marathons and their influence on public participation.

“I'm leaving the explanation up until the end.”

Personal Reflections on Marathons vs. Everyday Life

21:21 to 23:38

Reflect on the significance of marathons compared to ordinary life experiences and the need for recognition.

“Well, I know that I physically would not be able to.”
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Washing Machine Mishaps and Relationship Dynamics

23:51 to 28:00

Hear a humorous story about a washing machine incident involving a pair of tights and its impact on a relationship.

“You've talked to your solicitor in Kildare during the break.”

Useless Colin and the Broken Washing Machine

28:00 to 29:19

A humorous account of dealing with a landlord's representative over a broken washing machine.

“It's not all the crap they're going to tell me.”

The Mystery of Tights

29:20 to 30:50

A light-hearted discussion about the practicality and quirks of wearing tights.

“Well, I was like, fuck you, useless Colin.”

The Purpose of Tights

30:50 to 33:14

Exploration of why women wear tights, touching on comfort and aesthetics.

“Have you ever seen them off on the ground?”

Debate on Gorilla Documentaries

33:14 to 35:10

A humorous discussion questioning the authenticity of gorillas in documentaries.

“There's all sorts of different selections.”

Pandas in Japan

35:10 to 37:16

A nostalgic recount of seeing pandas in Japan and their return to China.

“Like not that, like I think it was like in the 1800s or something.”

Chill Rooms in the LGBT Culture

37:16 to 42:00

An informative conversation about chill rooms and their significance in LGBT culture.

“as pandas I think Did I tell you I saw the pandas in Japan?”

Chilled Out Afternoons and Cuddle Parties

42:00 to 42:58

Explore the idea of more relaxed sexual encounters and socializing post-clubbing.

“Like, let's just meet up and we have a little bit of sex, but nothing mad.”

Navigating Group Encounters

42:58 to 44:28

Discussion on the etiquette and dynamics of group sexual encounters.

“Like, we go down there, we get in a watch.”

The Notorious Baker Street

44:28 to 46:05

A humorous exchange about the infamous reputation of certain locations.

“We're going to a very fancy opening night.”

Public Toilets and Romance

46:05 to 47:42

Examining the complexities of romance in public restrooms and their renovations.

“my DBS chick oh okay what can I say It kind of goes back to the LGBTs are never satisfied and will find ways to browse, peruse and present to each other.”

Designing the Perfect Toilet

47:42 to 49:18

Speculating about ideal toilet designs to facilitate romantic encounters.

“that would allow this exhibitionism exhibiting I'll say I couldn't pass comment there now but if you had to design a toilet you've never been in what are we talking about Are we talking about a hole in a wall?”
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Transcript

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0:00Denis:Would the fishnets come off in one piece? Well, you could often come out through them. Welcome to this week's episode of Your Internet Boyfriends. Hello, Mark T. Cox. Hello, Dennis Len. This week we're talking about gorillas, chill-outs and pulling down tights. And I'll be giving Dennis my personal opinion about the London Marathon. This show is part of the Headstuff Podcast Network. It's a bit hotter in here today. It's hot today. Yeah. I think it's 20 degrees in London. The girls are out in their bras, drinking their matcha teas. Yeah, it's a nice time to be alive. Thank God we survived the winter.

0:38Denis:Yeah. We're all thriving. We're caught now between a collection of people still wearing light jackets and some people going full arse out. Arse out. I was in the city at the weekend doing my walking tours. Am I nice now? Yeah, perfect. Now, a lot of drunk people, a lot of chaos in the streets, a lot of Prosecco flying around. But overall, I'm going to say, I think I'm in a good mood. No way. It's been six months. How's the tiredness? It's all right. That's way better than normal. Yeah. That's way better. It's all right. I think because I didn't fly anywhere this week there was a tube strike so I didn't get on the tube for a lot of the week.

1:28No travel was. I was on a bus here and there but it really makes a difference. Just to get the hit. Something.

1:34Denis:Of being pissed off by travel. Small bit of abuse. That's your drug. Abuse. Getting annoyed by getting annoyed by travel. Yeah. Well I'll be honest I'm going to pretend for this entire episode that I'm not in terrible form but I am. Oh you can be in terrible form. I'm getting sweaty. I'm getting I'm getting annoyed but I have to say like I think there's I think there's a seasonal change in the air I think we're going full on into you know sitting on the grass having a cider Can I just say Oh no I don't like Can you pull the microphone away just a tiny bit sorry to interrupt you Oh Why is that?

2:09They can see me Just because it's too close to you I'm swallowing it down Sound like you're sitting in a bush I don't like sitting on the grass I don't like

2:20Denis:I thought no for this one you have to be there's a lot you're the ray of sunshine in this one I'm the cloud there's a lot of there's a lot of gangs now London Fields hold the phone a second Victoria Park no sorry sorry actually right sorry you're saying you don't like sitting in grass what about a bush I'd sit on a bush there's a lot something happens London Fields Victoria Park around Hackney around Hackney Downs all these places and people because it's sunny Yeah they decide we're going to socialise by sitting on the grass I still don't understand what the problem is here sitting down on the grass drinking cans out of the shop and picking bits out of plastic tubs it's just not very smart.

3:16The four I live in Nacho kit. Could we sit at a table in a nice garden? No. Or like in a terrace. Why are we sitting on the ground? Twisted. I'd say probably Mark because we don't have terraces to sit on. Twisted sideways. Always conscious of what way am I spilling? Do you know what I mean? And then the gaze take your tops off. The thong coming out. Well they're spilling. Yeah. Because you're kneeling on your elbow then the elbow gets ruined. With the dirt. And then there's a map of the grass on your elbow. Map of the grass and then your sun burnt on one side. It's just not very... Fucking stay in.

3:51Stay in till winter. But it's not very chic. It's not very comfortable. Or I don't think other countries do this. Yes they do. They're not sitting in the grass in Spain. Nobody sits in the grass. In Spain. There's no grass in Spain. It's all burnt. They're sitting at a table having a glass of wine outside a restaurant in a terrace. But you can do that anywhere in London. You can't. There's not really that many places to do it.

4:11Denis:You can. Head down towards Victoria. Towards any of those fancy places. I don't know. I don't know because there wouldn't be the sun because there's the buildings. Were you not a grass sitter when you were younger? Like when you go out in the fields? But it's different now. I'm in the public eye and I'm sweaty and I'd look a mess. I don't love it. I don't know what we could do to socialise. Maybe like a place where you could, they'd serve the drinks to you and it'd be like a covering? A building almost. Inside. I'd love that. Inside. We could call it like a drinks dispensary. A restaurant. Do you know what I mean though?

4:45it's just not it feels like being a teenager it's not very I know but everything

4:49Denis:everything we do is is not as good as it actually is it's like going on a holiday or something right you have to convince yourself it was amazing you come back it feels like a waste of time the travel is awful have you ever been to France yeah I have and sat on the grass no do you know what I mean well I'm not going I'm not spending a thousand quid to go to or fucking sit in a park in London it's free that's the whole point it's free you can go out you can bring your cans it's cheap everyone's broke so you come out and you have your little your little nacho mix from M &S because you're having a little treat even though I've been completely priced out of M &S sit down with your can of cider yeah it's awkward your elbows get sore from the grass do you know what I hate what else I'll often get invited it's I have to make up a name now give me a gay's name just make up a name uh Leonard Leonard it's Leonard's 30th birthday so for the birthday we're all going to go to London Fields and we're going to sit in the grass and you end up there's 40 people there and you end up sitting down beside some does and there's nowhere to go Declan what are we going to do with this man do you know what I mean and you're or cancel the summer because if it's a bar you're kind of walking around do you know you can kind of mingle around but once you're down you're down and you're stuck oh I do do you know what circle conversation I think you're right with that because once you sit down you are making a commitment to your grass spot Get up If you get stuck next to someone and then getting up especially as you get a little older To go where?

6:19Denis:I'm going to go over there because I don't want to talk to you anymore What is the difference between this and being in a bar though? Well you're like I'm going to the toilet or I'll go to the bar There's reasons to move Yeah But you're just Do you know what? Look I'll get on your train of misery with one thing One thing I absolutely hate are barbecues Yeah We can't do them in Ireland We can't do them in the UK We're bad at them We need to take we need to take our lessons for once from America and how they grill they grill loads of food there's a guy who's been grilling for you know every day for fucking 25 years Tony Tony's up there right like belly on the grill like singeing himself and he's he knows everything about it and you go up to Tony and you get three burgers yeah but it's whatever about the UK it's a pity in Ireland what would you have on the place?

7:05Denis:what would you get? this is the thing did you get the burger buns? I forgot the burger buns I forgot the burger buns There was none in super value And then you're just having the illusion of a barbecue It's gone cold by the time you get it It's not even there It's like, you know, I got lovely chicken wings And they're frozen in the middle And then you just end up having burnt sausages That's what everyone's having Is there a lot of that now In the heterosexual world What? You don't think kids have barbecues? I don't think they would bother You won't even sit on the grass I think there's a lot of gays that sit on the grass There's loads of gays that sit on the grass I don't know if they bother hosting a barbecue They wouldn't put in the effort They wouldn't do all that I think you can turn up, you can bring your own drinks You're fending for yourself Yeah, but just go with me on the classic Irish barbecue Well, it's a christening, it's a communion I think there's an event maybe We're going to cater at home But you're starved, you're starved to death Yeah, because it comes out and they go Oh, we've got potato salads and Lucy's and it's just one tub.

8:10Denis:Oh, and you're slow to... And then you're going up like Q &A. Yeah. You know, like you've been working the... working all day and you're getting a measly little burger. And you don't want to take too much. No, but in Tony's world, he's going to give you steak tips. He's going to give you everything. Everything you ever wanted. Want some potato salad? Yeah, of course I do, Tony. It's great. We're used to that. I don't want barbecues. Always eat before you go to a barbecue. It's the best piece of advice my dad ever gave me. And what's this, in a garden? Yeah, in a garden. It's my back garden. yeah and you know they're dragging out the barbecue and then you're there and you're like oh I wonder when it's going to start and then you hear we've no gas we've no gas and then they must go off and get a a thing of calor gas from some petrol station 400 miles away it's easier now to just order in a few chips yeah maybe and that happens too and you know what I hate actually you've got me on such a go on bad buzz now I hate when people order a takeaway and they start doing sharing stuff so they go you'll go like oh I'm going to get some naan whatever I'm going to get some naan bread some bread bread yeah oh I'll have some of that no you won't that's mine that's mine so order your own you know rice comes out and they go oh that's communal rice no no you didn't order any rice no not in a relationship in a relationship sharing everything but if it's a group of people get your own stuff some tight one then didn't pay yeah squeezed in I'll revolute you I can't download the app I forgot I can't download it it's on my old number I'll get that to you another time this is great anyway ah yeah but I'll also say with the heat

9:47there's a lot of

9:51flustered there's a lot of going people have really woken up now and they're ready to go pregnancies are up I think people are at it yeah they are this week especially this week I've never had so much interest do you know what happened to me yesterday? oh

10:11Denis:I was sitting down sitting down in a little beer garden right Lisa right next to me arm on my knee oh woman walks up gives me the fucking eye oh right in front the heat just she was I don't know she was flustered got a flush or something looked at me and Lisa looked over at me and she goes did you see that? I was like yes I did no people are I'll agree yeah they've come out the depression would still be there but you put it to the side for a few hours it's a side salad it's not a main course anymore yeah it's great but I am wrecked I've never had so much I was particularly beautiful I'd say the last I got the hair right I've kind of lost it again now today do you see this I can't tell you fringe the amount of work that goes into this little for the audio listeners there's like a little little bit of a fringe that hangs down here in the middle and if I get that right that they're they love it do you think it's kind of maybe a kind of like harking back to like a John Travolta yeah there's something there I'm just looking at myself back yourself up there I'm just looking at myself there's something now they love it and it's because it's kind of like a careless kind of careless whisper I'm just you know I don't even think about this I'd say they'd love to run their fingers through it they do and I say don't you dare because you'll ruin it speaking of up to anything at the weekend I'll go at the weekend yeah yeah I'm wrecked shopping a lot going I had a romance he said to say hello to you when did he say to say hello to me Mark this happens quite a lot during romance they'd wait a while and then say, how's Dennis?

12:04He just looks back and says, say hello to Dennis for me. How's Dennis? Big salute. Big wave. It happens quite a lot. That's great. But it's very odd. If you're having a romance and you assume you're both kind of strangers, kind of, like you've had a bit of a chat or whatever, and then you realise it's a listener.

12:25Denis:What point would you realise it's a listener then and say, oh, call us off? No, I'd never call us off. Oh, of course not. No. you're just it's just called grandstanding I think but there'd be some little comment and be like how do you know that and then you realise I'd say say hello to Dennis probably twigged it for you how do you know who's Dennis and then but then you have nothing to talk about because yeah everyone knows everything so what's the that was it yeah lovely very nice but yeah he said to say hello I won't say his name but where did you where did you meet him I don't even know the phone the phone in off the street they're all desperate this week follow you in they're shocking this week they're they're really you know they're on display peacocking Dalston is treacherous really dangerous I have to like I can't I can't get anything done and like you know the way I I see him oh your neck I see him from afar I actually do think you'll develop some sort of neck problem I see them from afar and they have the small little vests now and they've been all working hard for the winter you can tell they've all been in the gym for the winter misery going in there five o 'clock in the morning in the dark they're ready now to show it off it's a bit of a parade in London isn't it it's a big parade it's a bit pressurised though what about the parade yesterday oh my god the parade did you go down to the London Marathon um no absolutely not so I because I work out on the in the public realm on the streets as a tour guide can I also say anyone listening if they would like an LGBT walking tour I have quite a lot of gaps to fill so please I hear you're doing running tours soon well that'd be good wouldn't it yeah you could have a headset and you could fly around in 20 minutes yeah because the walking tours the most kind of exhausting bit is the walking between the do you know what I mean the two most exhausting bits are the walking and the tour but the talking like you tell a little story and then you have 10 minutes sometimes to get to the next bit.

14:33Denis:Does it ever feel weird when you're walking ahead of everyone? Is that weird? Do you know like you notice a group following you behind? Yeah. And I'll often bump into someone in Soho and they don't know that I do this. Why are these like eight random people from all walks of life just around you? I had a lovely yeah I had a few listeners as well. Oh yeah? Again asking for you. They're all asking for you. You're not hard to find or you're you are hard to find. What do you mean? Like they can't they can't find you they can't see you that often so they always find me and then they're asking for you I feel like you're muddying the waters there a little bit I feel like there's more opportunities to find you yes I present the opportunities true present myself a lot but no I avoided the city during the marathon and anyone who's in the walking tour business behind this is oh you're pissed off this is a little scoop now we have to cancel the tours you just can't you really just can't walk around because every street is blocked but that's fine great people love the running but I did so I did extra tours on Saturday yeah to try and you know catch up on what I was losing on Sunday and they're the fucking children marathon or whatever it's called you know the family so I still got caught we start again do you know we might have to start again the family one do you know about it they do like a mini one on the Saturday a lot of children around the streets I a lot of children and very difficult families in from oh god knows where blocking off they're so annoying all over the place and they're all seems to be kids they're around like between 8 and 12 they're just annoying they're worse getting in the way probably off sitting on grass then and everything getting in the way enjoying themselves yeah yeah skipping hopping so you weren't excited about the London Marathon then?

16:23Denis:I thought it was amazing I thought it was like a real show of lovely things it is between human beings and much needed at the moment. It is. Tell us more. There was one guy who was carrying a fridge 25 kg and he's back. Oh, Marty, what the hell is wrong with you? Come on, tell me what you think about that. Look at this. Go on, tell us. No, why did they do that? You summer grinched. What was your exact thought there? Why? Why make it so difficult? So he has a gene in his family that causes dementia. Oh God, okay. So this is like a weight he was carrying for his whole family and everyone's suffering from dementia.

17:11Denis:Enjoy that one? I can't see it. Okay. So that was amazing. Symbolic. Symbolic. Struggle. But it also was like a little 25kg weight, which is really impressive. He did in five hours or something. We had world records broken. I saw that. No, I have to say, right? under two hours first time it's been done in a race I think yeah in a marathon and the guy who came second did it under two hours as well oh but he came second so he's shit so he broke the record but someone else the guy ahead of him as well oh furious and then another person two hours finished it in something like eight hours I saw that she came in yeah I saw her she was good because she has MS I think is it yeah yeah and she was flying that was great she's at the last person.

17:57Do people give up?

17:58Denis:You can finish it up until 12 o 'clock that night. There was a guy who did it as a snail last year and crawled it and it took him two weeks. You think that's a lie? It's true. It took him two weeks. There was a really cool one in Cork a few years ago. I actually, probably 10 years ago, no. Where there was a guy and he was taking ages to finish, an older fella. And the whole place stayed to cheer him on and he got the best. What is happening, Mark, here? What charity? Is it? Yeah. Do you think it is? No, not I think it is. Or is it a, I need something, my life is, I just need something to focus on.

18:36Denis:No, they're all raising money. So there was 1.1 million people applied to be in the marathon, right? And I think 69 ,000 people ran. But it's a ballot system unless you do a charity spot and then you raise money. And there's lots more, I think, charity spots. So you could get in on a charity and raise money for them and dress up. There was another guy ran in his all his leathers for his motorbike. That'd be nice. Yeah. He ran because his son died last year. God, you're really throwing me around here. I can't say a word. I'm leaving the explanation up until the end.

19:15I can't say anything. Brilliant. It's all grace. Yeah, it is fantastic. I have absolutely no interest or desire to ever to do it myself. I've no desire

19:26Denis:I've no desire either most people like I'm not saying most people a lot of people hate it like yesterday when I was sitting in that beer garden what would happen is if a person comes in with their medal on the whole place starts cheering them they all start cheering them right and they come in and it's like everyone's celebrating it it never made me feel so miserable but do you think it made me feel miserable I'm going to be controversial no way shocked Kelsey Brees you get that kind of feeling quite often like you do things that people know about and they clap and they say you're great so mark well you're no no do you think maybe it's an opportunity because most people don't have that most people just have normal lives and work and have families and just go along every day.

20:25Do you think it's like the same way I put loads of effort and energy and time into like a show? No, no, I get it, right? Because I want to do it.

20:35Denis:But also I want a bit of... As I look at you now up on your very high horse, I have to say that like, are you saying that running 26 miles is the same as, and training for like most of the year, is the same as us doing 10 minutes on a Thursday night? Excuse me, my show is... 55 minutes. 55, yeah. And there are six songs. Yeah. And one of them has a very high note. But a marathon is about... No, I know. Four hours long. Oh, God. So you're saying, isn't it nice for them? Isn't it nice for those peasants running the marathon? The public. I saw then loads of famous people. Yeah, there was. Just thrown in the mix.

21:17Yeah, Gordon Ramsay was there cheering on his daughter. Yeah, an equaliser.

21:21Denis:Friend of mine got a high five off him. Yeah. There was one of the... What's the boy band? Big famous boy band, Harry Styles. Yeah, One Direction. One of the people like that, I think. Okay. I think one of them did it. But they do it in disguise. In disguise? Mm-hmm. In disguise. On the ground in disguise. Up in disguise. Would you never do it? No desire. Well, I know that I physically would not be able to. I don't think I don't think it's possible With the pacemaker Just Oh I could be the pacemaker Or the pace What are they called? Pacer Pacer yeah I could be the pace setter Yeah That'd be nice Yeah No I think you can do A 12 minute mile With the pacemaker There's people with awful things have been able to do it Yeah That's not the problem I'm just lazy and I have no interest There's people with awful things There's people like you can do But that's shocking People who are like really really sick somehow managed to do it.

22:21Yeah. Wild. Sure's lads on wheelchairs now. Yeah.

22:25Denis:What do you mean why? I don't know. What are you talking about? It's the same as going up the mountains and what's it for? Look, Is it setting the goal? So there was a blind guy Yeah. who ran yesterday and he had to run with his friend Yeah. because he was blind. And so he leads him through the place. Yeah. Right? So you could see like, yeah, Grant, I'm blind. that'd be cool to do something like that because it's something he can do, right? Because that's things he probably can't do. He's like, oh, I'm out there doing it. And he raised loads of money for stuff. The money, we can't argue the money.

22:58Denis:Now, what I will take aim at is the super normies in the office by the water cooler telling you about their training for the marathon. You know, like Hugo or even Tom. Takes over the life, doesn't it? Yeah. In those situations, when they're talking to me about what kind of new balance runners they have I'm out I'd have to walk away yeah I'd have to walk away too I don't think I'll ever do it it's a bit like getting married do it if you want to do it go and do it I don't need to hear about it sorry this is advice well I don't need to hear about it every day what for six months before if you were getting married we would never hear the end of it well people want to hear me talk we'll take a break this show is part of Headstuff Podcasts here's another show you might like hi sorry oh god I didn't mean to interrupt your podcast sorry I'm young yes I'm hot and I'm gay and we're young hot guys yes really I apologise for interrupting but we have our own podcast yes it's also on the Headstuff Podcast Network sorry for interrupting but it's really good and I didn't want to say this but it's actually really really really good really funny my mum says so we are three guys but we're not real blokey do you know what I mean we're soft and friendly and nice yeah like this timid request to ask and listen to our podcast exactly we're not going to bash you over the head we're approachable men so listen when you're finished this one don't you know what I mean yeah there's a good perk on one but if you don't we will bash you over the head I know people anyway enjoy the podcast no threat we're back you have a big slurp you're doing your best to end the podcast today I'd like to apologise to anyone offended I think it's great that people do what they want to do.

24:46You've talked to your solicitor in Kildare during the break. Maureen. Maureen, text him. Fitzpatrick, Fitzgerald's has been in touch. I think it's great that everyone does everything. Oh, very good. Very well put. Thanks so much. Did we see Nicola Coughlin on SNL? I didn't, no. Irish people taking over the show. I like her. That's all I have to say. I just think she's great. I think everyone's grace

25:14Denis:oh you got it in there anyway I got it in do you hear that Nicola? so the washing machine which one? my one done in an awful state you'll like this because it is miserable yeah we someone came over to the house the other night she had no we're going to notice a good long while now right but she has still for whatever reason refused to put some clothes in my house. Okay. Alright. Do you know that probably happens? She won't leave a few bits. Yeah. Your house must be packed. Sometimes we find underpants or I don't know whose this is. There's been times I'd like put on a t-shirt and realise this doesn't belong to anyone.

26:04Denis:You put on like a Newcastle United jersey. Whose is this? And then I might like take a picture and then some fella would be like that's mine. I'd say down the back of the bed must be interesting yeah oh yeah yeah but no you'd be fairly clear it's yours or hers yeah i know it would be no mistaking it yeah um yeah

26:26Denis:i know awful but um so she she came over anyway and she said she'll come over as long as she can throw the tights into the wash okay right so i was like yeah we can do that we can throw the tights in the wash we can get them dry no problem at all yeah right so I put the tights into the wash and then put them on to dry the next morning I got up and she said go out now and check the tights for me see if they're dry I said no problem at all honey I know what happened so I went out I opened up the washing machine door yeah and about 50 gallons of water came out of the washing machine tights flooded me and just one pair of tights they went into the thing that gets sucked into the thing.

27:11Denis:Is that what happened? Yeah. Yeah, ruined. Now my washing machine is broken. My kitchen was flooded. And of course, but the thing is, we've only got one pair of tights. So I came back in and she set it in early dry and I said, they need another 15 minutes because I couldn't start that at that early in the morning. So I said, you know what? I'm going to give myself 15 minutes now. I'm going to pretend they're drying. I'm going to pretend... Did you find them where they're stuck in the... Yeah, they were like wrapped around and all over the washing machine. But they're also soaked, right? But also my kitchen is now flooded.

27:44Denis:So I just ignored it. I just came back in. And then we ended up in Sainsbury's getting the tights, right? But after this, I texted or emailed the, whatever they're called, the people who rob all my money every month. And I messaged them and I said, hey, look, I'm a handyman. I'm a very, very handy guy, right? So I know what's wrong with this. The pump is gone. I know it's not. It's not all the crap they're going to tell me. so email them and say hey the pump is gone like we need to have a person out to have a look at it probably needs to be replaced but I'd say the whole unit needs to be replaced it's probably like 13 years old blah blah blah here you go bang guy gets back to me and he goes what's his name we call him Colin this is landlord landlord's representative oh fuck agent yeah useless Colin gets back to me right so useless Colin says hi there's a what you need to do there now is there's plenty of tutorials online and they'll show you how to empty your washing machine using the little valve down below.

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28:40Denis:And you empty that out for yourself now and then it'll all be fine. And then you get back to me when you've that done. Right? So I said, hi, useless Colin. I already did all that before I messaged you. I'm a handyman. I'm a handyman. Right? It's all done. Just listen to my first email. Please just send someone out so we can fast forward this. So what little useless Colin said to me? Messed me back and he goes, I'm very happy you're familiar with the mechanics of a washing machine. Oh, cheeky. And I messaged him back and I said, thanks, useless Colin. That's the first line on my hinge profile. Oh.

29:17Denis:And my washing machine is still broken. Yeah, it won't be arsed now. Well, I was like, fuck you, useless Colin. They don't care. What are you going to do? I can't do anything. Withhold the rent? Move out? No, withhold the rent. You can't. Throw it into the dishwasher. Huh? Throw it into the dishwasher. Who? The tights? The tights? All the tights are fucking gone now. How much are tights? They are for 60 Dernier Is that what they're called? I don't know That's like the opaqueness of the No Garnier is like a shampoo Oh yes You sound like a straight man Well I've no interaction with tights You definitely do No You ever taken tights off some lad?

30:09Silas is deafening What'll I see You definitely have Not the tights Throw on those there So I can rip them off You might have like Fishnets Or something like For a bit of dressing up But they all The old Oh my god Beige Beige Tight Like they all tights Yeah yeah they're funny things I've nothing to do with them the old teacher wearing them like they're funny things aren't they god they have to get into them I forgot that they wear them

30:44Denis:do you would you would the fishnets come off in one piece well you could often come out through them oh

30:59Denis:so you're wearing them

31:09Denis:oh lovely I have to I have to put him on someday do you want to go hot

31:19Denis:oh um

31:24Denis:so yeah a packet of tights anyway it costs you about six quid I don't know how much fish that's going to cost you

31:33Denis:oh lord okay come on let's get ourselves together I watched a lovely documentary on gorillas

31:46they're funny things though why do they wear tights what do you mean

31:50Denis:why do they wear tights no I'm just wondering I kind of forgot that they why do you think they wear tights is it I don't really is it to smoothen the skin I don't really know what they're for probably first and foremost to be warm yeah that'd probably be is it? no I don't think so yes is it just to have a smooth like like I'd say first and foremost is the nice bit of warmth if you're wearing a dress or a skirt second to that then maybe if the legs are a little hairy yeah yeah try on a pair of tights and it's just smooth yeah yeah everything looks lovely but I'd say it's warm Funny things. They are funny things, yeah.

32:32Denis:Do you like them? I don't love them when they... Have you ever seen them off on the ground?

32:43Denis:Wrinkly. Two tubes. Yeah. I don't love it like that. I don't love that. I don't like seeing like someone's, you know, it looks like someone's disappeared on the spot. How long do they last? Tights. Like a week? or are they disposable? No, they last until they rip. You might get a nail rip on them or something, even though it's very fashionable at the moment, it seems. It lasts a good while. But you could put a foot out through them. Women have so many things to have to buy. Loads. Do you know what I mean? And bras. Things that like... Bras are a whole different thing then. There's all sorts of different selections.

33:23Tights, I'd say you're just non-stop buying tights. Because you'd have to have like... Losing them. I'm trying to think what's it like what's the thing that you buy the most for yourself things that I have contact lenses or something like I have to have them and I'm always running out of them and I have to have a supply of them and I bring a pair and I have to bring a spare pair in case they fall out or something

33:45Denis:I said it wouldn't be I wouldn't put them up as contact lenses they'd be in the bra pants section bra would last a while yeah no a bra would last a while a pair of tights could be gone in a day depending on what you're up to yeah so you'd have to have a box about tights box about tights don't like to be representing tights something else what are you going to talk about I was going to say that I watched a documentary on gorillas David Attenborough have you seen it? no it's out on Netflix called A Gorilla Story really good about Pablo the gorilla out in Rwanda what's what's really interesting is when david attenborough came across the grills first back in like 1978 really touching moving scene of him i'm not going to describe all the documentary i actually want to talk about something else but there's really there one of the grills is called beethoven the other one's called pablo pablo becomes this big famous girl um and then what's really nice is now they all have african names yeah it was pablo you know but like these are obviously like you know like i suppose europeans and whatever giving them yeah they're funny kind of you know western names whatever but uh yeah so now there's like ubi and all these other crew right fantastic watch it okay only thing i'll say is and i actually am being serious when i'm saying this and you're gonna think i'm joking i am 50 50 on whether or not there are just people inside no dressed as gorillas in the documentary in the documentary i i i have a theory that there might have been one gorilla left in like the 50s or 60s and they came across them because they discovered gorillas like recently enough.

35:30Denis:Like not that, like I think it was like in the 1800s or something. They didn't know, they didn't know what, well sorry, sorry actually, that's a very Western, Western view. They were already discovered obviously but like Western civilizations. Yeah. You know, it didn't become popular. So I think they had one gorilla left. They made a good go of a costume. And then they just hired people to be gorillas after that. Ever since now? I think all the gorillas are dead and they've put them into costumes. No, look at it. I'm telling you, look at the one back in 1978 and you're going, they look like 70s gorillas.

36:02Denis:They look like bad gorillas. What about now in the zoo? Now they look pretty good but they still look like gorillas or people in gorilla costumes. You think in the zoo? I think it was... The man? I think it was... I don't know about the zoo gorillas. No, today-ish. There's a zoo there. The ones in Rwanda definitely look like... They look like people in them. For the film. Yeah, I think so. I don't think that's that fair-fetched. I don't think it's that fair-fetched. They want to just give you an idea of what they're like. Like, if you watch it, right, and afterwards, David Attenborough dies and he reveals they were people in gorilla costumes.

36:39Denis:After watching the documentary, I'm telling you, you would not be that shocked. You would have gone, you know, somewhere in the back of my head. I had an idea. Wasn't there pandas in a zoo in China or something? They were people dressed up. I make that up. I think that was people The dogs painted as pandas There's something like that The dogs made it as pandas No painted up Oh no Do you know what I think I'm hearing two different stories There was definitely a dog dressed as a panda or painted as a panda or a lion But no I think they used to dress as pandas because they didn't want to come in human contact Oh So they wanted to make sure that they weren't getting used to humans so they used to dress as pandas I think Did I tell you I saw the pandas in Japan?

37:20No There was only two pandas in Japan called, oh fuckers. Is it Ming Ming or something? I went to see them. Yeah. And now they're gone. They, it was like a... Fed? No, no, they sent them back to China. It was like a, like a cultural exchange or something. They lost the visa. It was kind of like the agreement expired and they sent them back. So there's no pandas in Japan anymore. And you saw one of them? The two of them lived together in Uenozhu. And what was he doing? and I went to see them just walk around yeah very lazy that's pretty cool I've never seen that but they've sent them back it was like after all the trouble

37:59Denis:they're called grey pandas and red pandas are called lesser pandas the red pandas are lovely I saw them the other week they're nice saw them in Foda Wildlife Park oh yes I was on there milling around okay so you think they're fake I think there's an extreme possibility that they're and then I'm still done with the tights I'm going to guide you towards another thing. Yeah. So I have a question for you. This actually comes through our producer. Oh, yes. What is, because I've been kind of pretending to know what it is and then taking a stab at what it might be, but what is a chill room or a chill out?

38:36Oh.

38:37Denis:What do you mean? How did that come up?

38:43Denis:Well, Declan and myself were talking about chemsex and then we were talking about how there's Is there rooms created where it's like non-alcoholic, non-alcoholic, non-drug? Am I getting this mixed up? I think you're mixed up. There's a chill, chill out culture in the LGBT. I would say, but this, sorry to interrupt, this sounded like an event. It would be, yeah, maybe not a formal event, but it would be organized. there could be a WhatsApp group there is apps that you can form an event on an app and you can invite like Eventbrite locals kind of and you can you can set your map and you can say there's an event here chill out with your dick out if anyone wants to pop in but what what's the difference between saying let's all meet up and just like have a fun time chill out seems to be that'd be different a lot of, how could I describe it?

39:51It might be in a nice new build. Tower block in Vauxhall or Stratford. A nice big glass apartment.

40:02Denis:The lights are low. Would this be more kind of like kind of the Clapham gaze? Doesn't have to be. Could be. There's money sometimes because there's drugs. Oh, there is drugs. Sometimes. Oh, okay. They cost money. A lot of LED lighting. Purple hues. You can actually see that if you look up, the next time you're in Vauxhall, Stratford, if you look up to the big skyscrapers, you can see... I'll point it out to my son. You can see the glass boxes and you can see there's a red one, there's a purple one. Oh. And there could be something light up against the glass. And then you just have a crowd over and it goes on.

40:43Denis:But what's the difference, what I'm asking is, what's the difference between that and just having people over? So is there like a chill out vibe at this stuff? It's fairly direct that it's for a romance. It's not for watching films. Okay, but is there a different vibe than just everyone coming to my house and have fun? We just call it chilling out, but it's a gathering for romance. And is anyone allowed to go? Well, that's the thing. Sometimes, I don't really do. Can you imagine? I wouldn't like it. I'd need to be the star I wouldn't be You'd want to be in control of the guest list I'd organise it I could organise the event I have actually offered that for people because there's a lot of administration if you're the one receiving the guests you'd be wasting a lot of time on your phone posting organising I'm downstairs you would ring the bell trying to describe how to get into the house so you kind of need a planner you need a party planner who could do that and then you can focus on your job like a stable boy for the guests yeah that is actually a whole industry I'd say we could tap into but it's not a scene that I would be part of no judgement but I'm just not why are you not it's usually 3 o 'clock in the morning do you know after the clubs I've been bed I was kind of thinking this is like Sunday 3 o 'clock in the afternoon you could have an afternoon you head down chill out I felt like I felt from what I was from what I understood is like the sex was more chilled out but no no no it's just it's just you could have an afternoon and so and so like because I find from the stories and stuff like it seems to be a bit full on yeah so maybe there is room to have kind of a lazy time you know bit of spooning cuddle parties yeah you know like Not nothing crazy.

42:45Denis:Like, let's just meet up and we have a little bit of sex, but nothing mad. They often lose control.

42:56They kind of get ahead of themselves. They do lose control. Should I go to one for research? Yeah, do. Someone invite me.

43:03Denis:I just, so take me through one, right? So we rock. I actually don't know. Don't take me through one. Teclan knows more about this. Like, we go down there, we get in a watch. Sorry. You go into the lobby. Stop saying we. There's a concierge who says, here comes another one. Yeah, but you go in there and you get into a WhatsApp group or something, right? Yeah. And so you go down to Boxall. Yeah. You go into some lovely... You don't necessarily know anyone in there? Or do you need, like, you know, one person? You might know one. Someone's, yeah. So you pop up in the elevator? Yeah. You rock in there?

43:39Yeah.

43:40Denis:Like, at any point are they going, you know, is it like a board game? and they're going we'll start now in a minute when Mark gets here I know or like is everyone kind of I suppose there has to be a bit at the start of small talk doesn't there there might be a nibble that's what I mean like I mean but not everyone's going to write at the same time and stuff you know is there like an etiquette to it I wonder and then what happens if you're done just sit down I suppose do you know watch television let's see you have to let yourself out maybe a bit of moral support go on up up you get yeah I've never been.

44:14I don't think I'd like it. Again, a lot of... I'd be too conscious who I might know. They'd be asking about you. We'll send Declan.

44:26Denis:Yeah, we'll send Declan. A little research. We're going to a very fancy opening night. Oh, yes. Actually, it's an opening night. I think it's like the opening of the terrace or something. Did you read the invitation? Of a restaurant. Yeah, very fancy Japanese restaurant. You're going to love it. Is that on Wednesday? that last night I think so is it? or is it tonight whenever anyway we've been there it was great yeah but we I met someone got this one of these little kind of pre-shindig of this thing right yeah met someone I was talking to her and she started asking about the podcast and stuff so I was like oh you know this is what we do it's great whatever she's like that sounds amazing and then she said oh my best friend gay man he says Baker Street toilet is amazing Ah, here.

45:18Denis:And then I said to her, here, you've got to tell him, check out Barbican. Ah, no. Brilliant. Now, I was just wondering, is Baker Street notorious? No comments. What do you mean, no comments? Police. Police. What? What? Why is Declan laughing? No comments. No comments? No comments, say. Why? What have I stumbled on? it's bad is this is this gone do you know what is it next week or the week after we're launching our secret bonus episodes oh yeah it's one for those yeah what is what if I stumbled on here okay we'll save it for our first bonus episode my DBS chick oh okay what can I say It kind of goes back to the LGBTs are never satisfied and will find ways to browse, peruse and present to each other.

46:37and sometimes the architectural design of facilities can either allow or inhibit romantic presentations so if I work through this this is allowing it in a big way I don't know I have no comment to say from what I have no comment to say, but I also will say there's a lot of facilities in London undergoing very extensive renovation projects funded by the councils because of an increased post-COVID romantic.

47:31Denis:you think it's a direct result to prohibit those extracurricular activities 100 % in public toilets of course and what kind of things would be in one of these facilities that would allow this exhibitionism exhibiting I'll say I couldn't pass comment there now but if you had to design a toilet you've never been in what are we talking about Are we talking about a hole in a wall? Not at all. No, no, no. Not at all. Sight lines, squeaky doors. Squeaky doors, like a gap between... Squeaky doors. Give you a clue. Someone's coming. Oh, warning. Is it? Sight lines, mirrors. Okay. Vantage points. Is this for looking at what you're up to, or is it for both like looking while you're up to and to see who's see if there's someone on the way no just saying things would you keep another would there be another would there be a lad like a team there's a great movie I don't know if I did I make you watch Plain Clothes no I watched can't remember what I watched there's a great it's called Plain Clothes and it's about carry on in public bathrooms it's really sad it's about police and this still happens like all the time police going undercover in plain clothes to catch people trying to have romance people who don't have anywhere else to find romance and you know so that's a good one to watch to get an idea was it?

49:17Plain clothes Plain clothes okay I'll watch that what's his name? Russell Kroll Tovey delicious Russell Crowe riding in the toilets. Yeah. No better man, I'd say. Squeaky door. A kind of a round... Hidey hole. Hidey hole.

49:45All right. Okay. We've been around the world today. We have. All right. I think we will leave it there. Yeah. Can I say to the listeners, they did a great job last week. we told them to tell a friend about the podcast and our statistics show a whole new funny crowd of listeners people who've never been here before who must have come in through people

50:11Denis:So what we're saying to everyone Tell someone If you're a super fan which we do have super fans Yeah We need you to go tell someone this week Tell someone To go listen And do you know what? It's an easy wreck It's an easy wreck because everyone listens and loves it And even go as far as because people are useless, share the link into the WhatsApp. Give it into their hands. Or if you're in a WhatsApp group, ping it in there. Yeah. Ping it in. Yeah, that'd be great. And you can be the person that discovers it. You know, you can be the one that discovers it for them. Yeah. And then, like, obviously when we take over the world, you'll be like, remember when I introduced you to them?

50:48Okay. All right. Bye-bye. Bye. Okay, that's the end of that now. Thanks for listening to your internet boyfriends. You can watch this full episode back in HD on YouTube. And we'd love to hear from you. If you want to drop us a message with your news or your saucy stories, you can get us on Instagram or TikTok, or you can email us at yourinternetboyfriends at gmail.com. Off we go now. Very busy. Bye-bye. Bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye.

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A gay man and a straight man discuss why women wear tights and confidently get it all wrong. Mark also brings up his strong opinions on the London Marathon while Denis tries to breathe some positive vibes into the studio before taking aim at Irish BBQ culture.

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