In short
Wellness trends and what’s evidence-based vs hype.
Guests
Liz Hill, a wellness expert; Dr Federica Amati, a nutritional scientist.
Key claims
Detox drinks/cleanses have “literally no science” for removing toxins; they may be dangerous by causing dehydration, lowering blood pressure, and increasing urination. The body’s detox systems (liver, kidneys, large intestine; plus skin) do the work; support them with hydration and diet. Dry skin body brushing is presented as a low-risk traditional practice that may stimulate lymph flow and improve skin glow. Red light therapy (photobiomodulation) has growing evidence for inflammation reduction, collagen/skin benefits, wound healing, and circadian effects; use FDA/medically certified devices (630–850 nm). Beef tallow may moisturize via barrier effects and fatty acids, but is comedogenic for acne-prone/oily skin; better alternatives for aging skin include ingredients like niacinamide/azelaic acid/peptides.
Notable examples
dawn red light to shift body clock (Russell Foster’s group); red light used by Liz’s daughter with an autoimmune condition; beef tallow used as an overnight foot balm with cotton socks.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODebunking Detox Drinks
0:46 to 2:03
Explore the myths and dangers of detox drinks and how our body detoxifies naturally.
“Detox drinks appear in lots of different ways, whether it's detox teas, sometimes it's detox juices, cleanses.”
The Benefits of Dry Skin Brushing
2:04 to 4:31
Learn about the practice of dry skin brushing and its potential benefits for skin health.
“And I think, you know, there's no drink that I've ever seen any evidence for that is going to remove any toxin from your body.”
Understanding Red Light Therapy
4:32 to 8:16
Delve into red light therapy, its science, benefits, and applications for health and skin.
“So no detox drinks, but lots of water and dry skin body brushing.”
The Hype Around Beef Tallow
8:17 to 13:38
Investigate the trend of using beef tallow for skin care and its actual benefits.
“I think, improving the ATP energy cycle, so giving us a bit more energy.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Dr Federica Amati:Hello and welcome to Zoe Recap, where each week we find the best bits from one of our podcast episodes to help you improve your health. Today we're talking about wellness trends. Social media has supercharged the wellness world, with new trends popping up and spreading faster than ever. It feels like we're constantly being sold the next must-have product, each one a guaranteed route to better health that you simply can't live without. But how many of these trends are actually backed by science? And could some of them actually be doing more harm than good? I'm joined by wellness expert Liz Hill and nutritional scientist Dr Federica Amati to separate evidence from exaggeration.
0:46Dr Federica Amati:Federica, I'm going to start with you. Trend number one, detox drinks. What is that? Detox drinks appear in lots of different ways, whether it's detox teas, sometimes it's detox juices, cleanses. These are drinks that are supposed to help speed up detoxing. I mean, I often see these sold as a way to lose weight, to be honest. And there is literally no science behind it. These are some of the worst contenders. Sometimes they can be quite dangerous for health. Some of the supplements that are sold as detox supplements can make you go to the loo more. So they make you go wee more basically. And that can actually be quite dangerous.
1:24Dr Federica Amati:It can lower your blood pressure. It can make you dehydrated. So it's really important to not buy these products. First of all, we have an excellent detox system that works very well for us. Our liver, our kidneys and our large intestine help us to get rid of anything we don't need. Any byproducts from the cellular mechanisms that are in our body are expelled through those ways. If you're looking to help your natural detoxification systems, there's lots of things you can do. Eat and drink water in a way that supports your liver, in a way that supports your kidneys, in a way that you go to the regulator and allows your colon to work well.
1:58Dr Federica Amati:One of the worst scams, I would imagine, is these detox products, if I'm honest. Yeah, I think I completely agree. And I think, you know, there's no drink that I've ever seen any evidence for that is going to remove any toxin from your body. And as you say, you know, the liver, the kidneys, the gut, those are the detox systems. And the skin, of course. Yeah. Drinking lots of water and the skin, definitely. And in fact, when it comes to the skin, one of my favorite ways, rather than buying a detox drink, is just to do some dry skin body brushing. You said that with such confidence, dry skin body brushing.
2:31Do you not have a dry skin body brush?
2:33Dr Federica Amati:I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Oh my gosh. Okay. So - Help me out here. Literally, it's like an oversized nail brush with natural bristles. And you brush your body with it when your body is dry. So you start normally at the feet, the soles of the feet. And if you're into Chinese medicine or traditional medicine, you might say that that's stimulating the reflex zones on the soles of your feet. And we don't need an eye roll for that because that does actually make you feel really good and tingly. And then you just work up the body just using sweeping movements. You're following the lymphatic system.
3:06So you might want to just do a little bit of extra dry skin brushing around the lymph nodes, the groin, backs, the knees, armpits for example and you're just gently helping to stimulate the lymphatics and you do feel better for it i don't know whether the science is there i don't know how many rcts have been done on dry skin body brushing but it certainly makes your skin glow it looks brighter it's very
3:28Dr Federica Amati:traditional it's been around forever and it does just help to remove dead skin and this upward movement is exactly what you would do with a lymphatic drainage massage which does help especially if you're somebody who does tend to have a bit of a slow lymph, which can happen. It's just one of the things that we can do. And there's absolutely no downside to it. I think also it gives you a few minutes to yourself. I know that sounds a bit, but if you have young kids or you have caring responsibilities, just taking a couple of minutes to have a dry body brush before your shower can feel really good.
3:57Dr Federica Amati:And is this an everyday activity or only part of the detox? I'm just trying to understand. It depends on how good it makes you feel. Word of warning, so when you go and buy your body brush, Jonathan, and start doing this, because clearly you're highly invested in this already, I can tell. It sounds a lot better than a cold plunge. I'm more up to trying this one. I'm also into that too, but that would follow. And it will feel quite hard and quite almost abrasive. Don't be too harsh with it, exactly, especially if your skin is broken or irritated in any way. But you get used to it and you almost become healthily addicted, I find.
4:35Dr Federica Amati:Amazing. So no detox drinks, but lots of water and dry skin body brushing. I'm going to be looking that up straight afterwards. Liz, trend number two, red light therapy. Oh, so this is something that I am actually a fan of. And I think, you know, when you think about red light, you know, what is it? It's basically just the ancient practice of sunlight getting up at sunrise when we are surrounded by an abundance of natural red light and near infrared light, which is what we used to do in ancestral times. We would get up with the sun and we would go to bed with the sun. so that lovely light that red light glow that you get early in the morning or at sunset has been shown to be incredibly beneficial and again there are studies that show that it will help with inflammation reducing inflammation speeding up the production of collagen for example within the skin so i do think that there is merit and i think we're going to be seeing more of red light therapy sometimes known as photobiomodulation and there are clinical studies going on for all sorts of degenerative diseases and showing some quite impressive results, actually.
5:41Dr Federica Amati:Could you describe a bit? I mean, do you just put a red light bulb in your house? No, I mean, you do need to have a certain wavelength. So it's normally 630 to 850 nanometers range. So you can get various different devices. If you are going to get a home use device, my advice would be for go to something that's FDA approved or medically certified. You can get a face mask that you wear to a red light panel that you sit in front of during the day, for example. You can have whole saunas filled with red lights. There are lots of different ways of doing it. And I think particularly because we've become so indoors and disconnected from that natural frequency, that wavelength, that I think as human beings, we are actually meant to connect with.
6:28And I think that there is some very interesting research when you look at circadian biology and the kind of rise of natural living and the circadian rhythm, red light very much taps into that.
6:39Dr Federica Amati:Yeah. So some of the exciting science is actually from Russell Foster's group, where he looked at exposure to red light specifically exactly at dawn. It can help to program your body clock essentially. So there's some protocols if you're traveling to LA, for example, Jonathan, where exposing yourself to a little bit of red light in the mornings can just help shift your body clock to the new time zone. Now, in terms of skin benefits and inflammation benefits. The evidence is growing. It's still preliminary, but there are some exciting trials looking at, for example, patients in hospitals and how exposing them to red light can help speed up recovery.
7:12Dr Federica Amati:In terms of skin, some people report seeing benefits. And I think it's part of the toolbox that we can have. What I would say is these red light masks can be very expensive. So there's plenty of things you can do before investing in one that will really help your skin from good hydration to eating plenty of colorful fruits and vegetables to making sure that you're using topical skincare that can be helpful like retinol and moisturizing regularly and all these other things and then if you are doing that and you have you know the extra money and you'd want to invest in a mask it could be something that can be helpful it's growing in popularity and there's evidence growing for its use in different applications but i think it's one of the ones that we still don't have all of the evidence to say, oh yes, this is 100 % one of the best tools.
7:58Dr Federica Amati:But I'm excited about its role in circadian biology. And I am excited to see how it can help with inflammation recovery. You know, some studies looking at arthritic joints have shown benefits. Yeah, definitely. I think there are studies looking at improved speed of wound healing, for example, collagen production. And acne as well. Yeah, acne as well. I think, improving the ATP energy cycle, so giving us a bit more energy. I think it is beneficial. I think you're right. I don't think it's an essential. I think it's a nice to have. And I think for me, it's something that I've been doing regularly now.
8:34I actually got first interested in red light therapy with my daughter who had a longstanding autoimmune condition. And I was literally, I went forensically down the drains with so many things. And it was one of the protocols that she was using that really seemed to help her. And what was interesting is that because she was doing a lot of red light therapy, even though she was a lot younger than me, her skin dramatically improved. And I thought, I'm going to try this. Hello. You know, if I can, you know, just sit in front of a red light panel or a sauna or a mask or something and actually get on with something else, love a bit of multitasking and the light is going to do something for me.
9:09And I have to say that I am an adopter of red light. I think it's useful. Not essential, but I think it can be beneficial, particularly as you age. I mean, I'm a lot older than you, Eddie.
9:19Dr Federica Amati:You do look fantastic. I mean, you're a good one. I do a lot. I mean, I guess I have to because that's my job. But red light therapy for me is one of the tools. And this trend, Jonathan, unlikely to be harmful. Because it is FDA regulated, the right devices, so you're not going to get harmful radiation or something. Talk to your wife. Your wife will know in dermatology terms about using light therapy for things like psoriasis. And so, you know, we've known about light therapy for a long time. This is not a new thing. But I think you can get great free red light therapy. By getting up in the morning.
9:51By getting up early and just bathing in that natural red light.
9:55Dr Federica Amati:Trend number three, we mentioned this in the Q &A. Rich, my producer, described it as putting cow fat on your face, but I believe it has better marketing and is called beef tallow. what is beef tallow and why are people sticking it on their face? That's a very good question. Beef tallow is having a moment because it's being considered as a very healthy fat to cook with, to put on your face, to put in your hair, to just bathe in. I mean, it reminds me of when coconut oil had this glow up. Do you remember? Yes, didn't it? It's the new coconut oil. It's being touted as miraculous for all sorts of things.
10:32Dr Federica Amati:And it is literally just the fat from beef. Traditionally, I think it's the fat that was around kidneys. You render it and you cook it down and strain it so much that it becomes flavourless, tasteless. It's just a very bland, white fat. You can do it and you can make it at home if you want to. So, of course, it's full of fatty acids, like other fats, so you can get in lots of other situations. And it will, if you put it on your skin, the fatty acids will protect your skin and make it glow. But I think that is not my number one option. It's like putting Vaseline on my face, basically. Is that what you're saying?
11:08Dr Federica Amati:Vaseline is petroleum jelly, so it's actually a bit different to that. It is similar to putting coconut oil on your face or extra virgin olive oil on your face, or actually that would be better, obviously. But it's essentially putting pure fat on your face. And our skin does like to have some fats to protect it and to help keep the moisture in. What fats really do to keep our skin hydrated is they just prevent the moisture from leaving your skin. So we lose moisture throughout the day just through essentially evaporation and that locks it in. So it can see moisturising, but there's way better ways to do it and less cruel ways to do it.
11:44Dr Federica Amati:We don't need to be putting beef out as well as eating beef all the time. It's just having a real moment. And it does remind me of coconut oil where people were just putting coconut oil everywhere and oil pulling and brushing their teeth with it. I think it'll swing back in a way, hopefully. Yeah, I wonder. I mean, I've been trialing beef tallow because obviously I'm aware of it as a trend. And I think it does have some pluses. It has a lot of good fat-soluble vitamins, you know, because of where it comes from. So A, D, E, K, for example, conjugated linoleic acid. It's very good, as your point, as a moisturizer, the transepidermal water loss, very good barrier.
12:22Having said that, if you are a tall spot prone, pimple prone, it's comedogenic. so it's going to block your pores. I would not use it on oily skin. I tell you where I have used it to quite success and that's on my feet. So it makes a very nice overnight foot balm. So you put that on your feet. You can buy it. It's non-fragranced. I don't actually like coconut oil, for example. I find it too, well, coconutty. But it's very neutral. And then you just slip on a pair of cotton socks to seal in your body heat and you wake up with super soft feet. But I don't think I put it on my face Because I think if you're looking for a moisturiser, I would rather have ingredients, you know, niacinamide, azelaic acid, you know, peptides.
13:04I think there's far more interesting ingredients, particularly as we age, that are going to help support the structure of the skin.
13:10Dr Federica Amati:So it sounds like you're saying this is 90 % hype and 10 % well, it is a fat and there are some benefits to putting something like that. I think there are some benefits. Am I understanding that right? Yeah, and it's using up a waste product perhaps that might otherwise not be used. and it's cheap. It's inexpensive. So, you know, if it floats your boat, great. But I'm not going to rush out and buy it. Yeah. It's not the moisturizer that is... I need more for my aging skin, Jonathan. My age. I think I need a bit more than beef tallow. Shea butter is great for your feet as well. Go for shea butter.
13:43Dr Federica Amati:Love shea butter. Yeah. I also, it might just be me, but putting direct animal product on my face. I just, no, no thanks. I'm good. As you can imagine, Hosting this podcast, running Zoe, juggling family life, it all keeps me pretty busy. So I try as best I can to stay energized and show up well in all those parts of my life by fueling my body with the right food, by exercising, and by adding a scoop of Daily 30 to my meals every day. If you haven't heard of Daily 30 yet, it's the gut supplement designed by our gut health scientists here at Zoe. It's made of over 30 high-quality, hand-picked plants, including seaweed, fungi, and different types of fiber.
14:26Dr Federica Amati:Better yet, it contains ingredients that support gut health, digestion, and energy, which is ideal for packed calendars and busy lives. Simply add one scoop a day to any meal for an extra boost of fiber and plant diversity. And because it tastes delicious on just about anything and adds a satisfying crunch, it quite quickly slots into your life. Becoming a daily healthy habit you'll always have time for. By the way, whenever we talk about Daily 30 as a good source of fiber, we're required to say that it contains four grams of total fat per serving. Obviously, that's all amazing healthy fats from plants.
15:03Dr Federica Amati:So, order yours today at zoe.com slash daily30. Thanks for listening and see you next time.
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Today we’re talking about wellness trends.
Social media has supercharged the wellness world, with new trends popping up and spreading faster than ever. It feels like we’re constantly being sold the next must-have product - each one a guaranteed route to better health that you simply can’t live without.
But how many of these trends are actually backed by science? And could some of them actually be doing more harm than good?
I’m joined by wellness expert Liz Earle and nutritional scientist Dr Federica Amati to separate evidence from exaggeration. From red light therapy to cow fat, they’ll reveal which trends are worth your time - and which are best left behind.
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