Health: Searching For The Source Of Cyclospora

21 Jul 2026 · 44 min · 16 chapters

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In short

The 2024/2025 U.S. cyclosporiasis outbreak (Cyclospora parasite causing weeks of relapsing watery diarrhea, nausea, fever/chills, abdominal pain, weight loss). The episode explains how people get infected (contaminated food/water; not believed to spread person-to-person), why tracing is hard (parasite can’t be cultured; not on routine stool panels; uneven contamination), and how public health investigations and funding cuts affect outbreak response. It also covers recalls and prevention guidance.

Guests and backgrounds

  1. Halina Bademiller-Evich: journalist; founder/editor-in-chief of Food Fix; covered foodborne illness outbreaks.
  2. Caitlin Rivers: epidemiologist; directs Johns Hopkins Center for Outbreak Response Innovation; author of Crisis Averted.
  3. Dr. Natasha Bagdasarian: Michigan’s chief medical executive (Governor Whitmer cabinet member).

Key claims + notable examples

  • CDC linked a major cluster to shredded iceberg lettuce at Taco Bell; Taylor Farms de Mexico recalled iceberg lettuce shipped from central Mexico; FDA later said a border lettuce test was a false positive but the five-state lettuce link remained likely.
  • Michigan reported 6,000+ cases (vs ~50 typical/year), with 2,700+ interviews; strongest signal was lettuce exposure (about 75% of cases), but ~12% couldn’t recall lettuce.
  • Other outbreaks: New York linked cases to cilantro; some cases tied to pools/splash pads (chlorine doesn’t easily kill Cyclospora).
  • Treatment: antibiotics (Bactrim) recommended; dehydration risk is the main danger.
  • Prevention: cook produce when possible; washing reduces risk but isn’t foolproof; longer rinses help.

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Understanding Cyclospora and Its Effects

2:16 to 3:08

Discussion about the symptoms and impact of the cyclospora parasite.

“Hi, it's Terry Gross, host of Fresh Air.”

Expert Insights on Cyclosporiasis

3:08 to 3:50

Experts explain the nature of cyclosporiasis and its transmission.

“We're talking about cyclospora and what's being done to manage and treat the spread of the parasite.”

Comparing Cyclospora with Other Illnesses

3:50 to 5:28

Differences between cyclosporiasis and other foodborne illnesses discussed.

“What is cyclosporiasis and how do you get it?”

COVID-19 and Foodborne Illness Trends

5:28 to 8:21

Tackling the rise of cyclospora cases and the factors influencing outbreaks.

“what is the difference between this cyclospora parasite and other intestinal parasites?”

Challenges in Tracing Cyclospora Outbreaks

8:21 to 11:52

Discussion on the difficulties faced in testing and tracking outbreaks.

“You can just Google FDA iceberg lettuce recall and you can get all of the details.”

Michigan's Response to the Outbreak

11:52 to 14:01

Michigan's chief medical executive discusses the state's response to the cyclospora outbreak.

“Coming up, we hear from Michigan's chief medical executive about what it's like to be at the epicenter of an outbreak of this scale and what the investigation actually looks like on the ground.”

Investigating Cyclospora Outbreak

14:01 to 17:28

Learn about the investigation into the cyclospora outbreak and its sources.

“Calling out for work has not been an option.”

Identifying Contaminated Produce

17:29 to 20:50

Discover how investigators identified lettuce as a key source of the outbreak.

“Now, I also have to say that there is a proportion of patients here, about 12 % of patients, who don't recall specific exposure to lettuce or eating at a specific fast food chain.”

Public Health Funding Crisis

20:51 to 23:10

Understand the impact of funding cuts on public health responses to outbreaks.

“Bagdasarian, do you expect that cases will level off now that we've seen the recall from Taylor Farms in particular?”

Challenges in Diagnosing Cyclospora

23:11 to 25:45

Explore the difficulties faced in diagnosing cyclospora infections accurately.

“Epidemiologist Caitlin Rivers is still with us.”
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Treatment and Prevention of Cyclospora

25:46 to 28:00

Learn about the recommended treatments and preventive measures for cyclospora.

“And so investigators are really lacking one of the key tools they normally use to connect cases.”

Understanding Cyclospora Treatment and Safety

28:00 to 30:17

Learn about the treatment options for cyclospora and how to stay safe during outbreaks.

“Actually, Caitlin, can I have you answer that?”

Investigating Cyclospora Outbreaks

30:46 to 39:34

Explore how epidemiologists determine the source of cyclospora outbreaks and the impact of funding cuts on food safety.

“Let's get back to cyclospora, the parasite responsible for thousands of cases of gastrointestinal illness across 34 states this summer.”

Improving Food Safety Regulations

39:34 to 41:56

Discuss potential policy changes and investments needed to enhance food safety and prevent cyclospora outbreaks.

“what policy changes might contribute to better prevention and management when such crises arise?”

Advice on Preventing Cyclospora Infection

42:00 to 44:15

Learn effective strategies to reduce the risk of Cyclospora contamination in produce.

“fruits and vegetables to continue to consume them.”

Public Awareness and Cyclospora Outbreaks

44:15 to 45:03

Understand the importance of public awareness regarding Cyclospora outbreaks and the need for better prevention.

“Like, there shouldn't be questions around, oh my gosh, can I feed my toddler these raspberries or not?”
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0:37you may have heard of a parasite that's causing some gastrointestinal distress here's what people are saying online i have the parasite that's going around cyclospora yes the explosive diarrhea parasite i have been victimized by cyclosporiasis i think that's how you say it I started having severe nausea, vomiting, and explosive diarrhea at the same time. And then I had fatigue. I had chills. I had sweats. I had a low-grade fever. And I had severe abdominal pain. My stomach hurts. It's like cramping. It feels like someone is squeezing your insides or punching you from the inside out and trying to get out.

1:17It hurts so badly. I've had it for about four days now. I have lost weight, so that's nice. Like, appetite gone. Today I had one meal immediately came out of me. Like, we're talking within 10 minutes. The parasite cyclospora has sickened thousands of people across 34 states this summer. That's more than six times the number reported at this point last year. The CDC has linked a major cluster to shredded iceberg lettuce at Taco Bell in some states. And Taylor Farms de Mexico has now pulled all of its iceberg lettuce from the U.S. market. But with an outbreak this large, experts say there's likely to be more than one source.

1:53I'm Naila Boodoo, in for Jen White. You're listening to the 1A Podcast. Today, we're here to answer your questions and ours, what cyclosporiasis is, how you get it, and why investigators have had such a hard time finding the source. Later in the show, you'll also hear from Michigan's chief medical executive about how the state with the largest number of cases is coping so far. So stay with us. We'll be right back after this short break.

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2:58Planet Money Summer School. Grab some friends, pack your bags, and don't forget the sunscreen. Listen on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the 1A Podcast. We're talking about cyclospora and what's being done to manage and treat the spread of the parasite. Joining us from Bellingham, Washington, is journalist Halina Bademiller-Evich. She's founder and editor-in-chief of Food Fix, an online publication about food policy. She's covered many foodborne illnesses and outbreaks over the course of her career. Halina, welcome. Thanks for having me. And Caitlin Rivers joins us from Baltimore.

3:33She's an epidemiologist and directs the Center for Outbreak Response Innovation at Johns Hopkins University. She's the author of the book Crisis Averted, The Hidden Science of Fighting Outbreaks. Her work focuses on how outbreaks are detected, investigated, and contained. Caitlin, thank you for joining us as well. Great to be with you. Caitlin, can we start with the basics? What is cyclosporiasis and how do you get it? Cyclosporiasis is a parasitic infection. You become infected by consuming contaminated food or water. Often in the United States, previous outbreaks have been linked to imported fresh produce.

4:11And so that's why we've been hearing a lot about whether the source is iceberg lettuce or what investigators are looking for. Cyclosporiasis causes weeks of relapsing diarrhea. So you may get better and then you get worse again. You get better and you get worse again. And it's a very unpleasant illness. Helena, we got this email from Peggy in Michigan who says, early reporting said that cyclospora is not transmitted person to person. This item has disappeared in current reporting. Can you please clarify? Yeah, this is a great question. I think one of the really hard things about cyclospora is just how little we know about it in the U.S.

4:47It has, as was just mentioned, mostly been something we've thought about with imported food or traveling abroad. And so we have a real dearth of research in the U.S. There's only a handful of researchers. We do not think that it spreads person to person. It's mostly through human feces or, as was just mentioned, contaminated water, contaminated food. But we're also now seeing some reports of people getting this infection at pools or splash pads because chlorine does not easily kill the parasite. And so I think we need a lot more research. Right now, though, the biggest concern is certainly contaminated food and water.

5:27Caitlin, a member of the 1A Text Club wrote, what is the difference between this cyclospora parasite and other intestinal parasites? There are multiple different kinds of parasites that you can get from contaminated food and water. Cyclospora is moderately common in the United States. We record about 3 ,000 to 4 ,000 cases on average. It is treatable with antibiotics, whereas some other parasitic infections are treatable with anti-parasite medications. So there are a few differences, but there's a lot of similarities. The diarrhea, the weight loss, the abdominal discomfort. So again, a very unpleasant illness and certainly one worth avoiding.

6:08How is it different from food poisoning? I think people are much more familiar with foodborne illnesses like salmonella or E. coli. Well, cyclosporiasis does not transmit person to person, and it does not necessarily come from shared food that was left out too long. That's a big distinction. When we think about cyclosporiasis outbreaks, we think about imported fresh foods, whereas a salmonella or an E. coli outbreak is more often associated with poor food handling practices. For example, if you leave a meal out on the counter too long, it allows the bacteria to replicate. Or if a food handler doesn't wash their hands.

6:45The consequence of that difference is that the more traditional, if you will, foodborne outbreaks are smaller in scope because there's only so many people who can be affected by a dish that was left on the counter too long. Whereas with this cyclosporiasis outbreak, when we're thinking about imported foods that have gone to as many as 27 states, we're looking at a much bigger footprint. Caitlin, there are cases of cyclosporiasis, as you've noted, every year in the U.S. When did this outbreak start to get attention from folks? The data that reflects the number of cyclosporiasis cases reported in the United States started to increase in May, which is typical.

7:21The standard season is May to August. And so I think we're still learning when the outbreak began relative to when the traditional season started. But certainly by late June, early July, public health officials were confident that there was an outbreak underway. And so we're now at least three, four weeks into this outbreak and still learning new things every day. Helena, the FDA announced Taylor Farms is volunteering recalling all iceberg lettuce shipped from central Mexico to the U.S. The lettuce was linked to cyclosporiasis cases traced to Taco Bell locations in five states. What do we need to know about the recall first?

7:58Yeah, so the recall is for iceberg lettuce that is from central Mexico from Taylor to Mexico. So most of this lettuce went to food service, not retail. So it went to places like restaurants and hospitals, Taco Bell, as you mentioned. There was some iceberg lettuce that was recalled from Walmart under the MarketSide brand name. Consumers can go. You can just Google FDA iceberg lettuce recall and you can get all of the details. That product should be discarded. You can go back to your retailer and get a refund. If you have symptoms, you should talk to your doctor. But right now, it appears that this particular cluster that they have identified, which is across five states and thousands of cases, is likely linked to this lettuce that was imported from Mexico.

8:51FDA officials have been very careful to note, however, that there are multiple outbreaks under investigation. And as was just mentioned, we have a cyclosporus season now in the US. This is an emerging issue. And so there are likely multiple clusters going on caused by multiple things, which has added a lot of confusion, understandably, for consumers during this time. Helena, why can you explain a little bit about the cyclosporiasis season and what's driving that longer-term trend of rising cases in the U.S.? Yeah, I think this is one of the things that has really been underreported, underexplained during this current situation.

9:32Unfortunately, over about the past decade, we have seen a rise in cyclospora cases every summer. We've been seeing sort of a slow uptick in the number of sort of natural increase in cases we've had in the U.S. every summer between usually May and August. Also, there's always been some level of travel where people travel to another country and they get cyclospora and then they come home and it's diagnosed. But we're seeing increasingly domestically acquired cases, many times from imported fresh produce. But we've also seen some outbreaks tied to domestic produce from California and even Florida.

10:15And so there is some concern that this might be driven by changes in the climate. A warming climate can change where different bugs thrive and take hold. And so there's a lot we still don't know about this parasite, but there are some concerns that we're seeing a general trend change. And some of that may be driven by climate change. Caitlin, can I ask you about testing? we've heard from the FDA that a positive cyclospora test of lettuce from Taylor Farms de Mexico was actually a false positive, but that the lettuce is still being recalled. Why is cyclospora particularly difficult to trace compared to other foodborne pathogens?

11:00Yeah, because it's a parasite, it can't be cultured. And so it's hard to get an adequate sample to really get a close look at the bug. It's also not present in every component of the food item. So you could have a bag of lettuce, if you will, and test part of it and the other part doesn't have the contaminant, but it is nonetheless a contaminated product. That is making it difficult to diagnose or to take a closer look actually at the food items that are under investigation. But we also see difficulties in diagnosis at the patient level. So cyclospora is not on the standard panels that a doctor may run for a patient who has diarrhea.

11:39It has to be specially requested. And so the fact that this is a parasite and a fairly uncommon one at that is introducing multiple challenges into finding the edges of the outbreak and tracing it back to its source. Coming up, we hear from Michigan's chief medical executive about what it's like to be at the epicenter of an outbreak of this scale and what the investigation actually looks like on the ground. Stay with us.

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13:16Welcome back. Michigan is at the center of a cyclospora outbreak and the numbers there are staggering. the state has reported more than 6 ,000 cases of cyclosporiasis. In a typical year, Michigan sees about 50 cases. More than 100 people say they were hospitalized. Here with us to talk about it is Dr. Natasha Bagdasarian, Michigan's chief medical executive and a member of Governor Gretchen Whitmer's cabinet. Dr. Bagdasarian, welcome. Thanks for having me on. We're also continuing to hear from you. A member of the 1A Text Club writes that he thinks he has cyclosporiasis. It's been almost a week.

13:50Time for doctor's help. I'm using Imodium, adult Pedialyte, eating bland foods, avoiding veggies and fruit. I've lost over three pounds. I've never had a fever, but I have the other symptoms. Not fun. Calling out for work has not been an option. This has been brutal. Dr. Bagdasarian, you now have more than 6 ,000 laboratory-confirmed cases. When did you first realize something was out of the ordinary? What did the early days of your investigation look like? Well, we saw a really strong signal that something was happening around early July. So July 1st was our first press release that there was something going on.

14:26The cases that were reported to us were folks who started experiencing symptoms towards the end of June. And we've now had sort of two peaks when we look at our data of cyclosporiasis here in Michigan. The first one occurring at the end of June and the next one happening in early July. How does this work? Like, how does tracing work? Your team has conducted 2 ,700 interviews so far. Who's doing those interviews? What do they look like? Well, as of today, we actually have over 6 ,500 cases of cyclosporiasis, and we've completed almost 3 ,000 interviews. So we're working with our local health departments.

15:09We are bringing people in from all kinds of different work projects and different work streams who are contacting each one of those individuals with cyclosporiasis and doing a detailed interview on the foods that they consumed in the two weeks prior to their symptoms starting. Now, by the time they've tested positive for cyclospora, by the time that test has come back positive and we've heard about them, it means that their actual exposure to contaminated food could have been four weeks ago. So they're having to recall what they ate, where they went to eat, where they purchase their groceries from several weeks before the interview takes place.

15:48And each one of these interviews takes about 45 minutes to conduct. So that's a lot of manpower that the state of Michigan is devoting to this. Is it also, it sounds like local, you're having municipalities also involved in this? Well, our local health departments are definitely part of this response, a huge part of this response. Our cases of cyclosporiasis have spanned across 68 Michigan counties. So each one of those local health departments is also doing a proportion of these interviews. So they are pulling staff from all kinds of different areas, as are we here at the state level. Dr. Bagdasarian, how did you come to identify then Taco Bell and bagged lettuce?

16:28Was it through these interviews? So through the interviews, I can tell you what our data is showing. You know, we are able to cross-check all of this data and look for signals. And by far, the strongest signal that we are seeing is exposure to lettuce. We have to remember that not everybody recalls what food they ate. And also, there is background noise as well. People eat all kinds of different things in their day-to-day lives, especially over a period of two weeks. But about three quarters of our cases report that they definitely had exposure to lettuce. Now, the type of lettuce varied. There are folks who said they had exposure to pre-made salad, romaine, iceberg.

17:11Some of them bought lettuce in grocery stores. Some of them consumed lettuce at restaurants. But lettuce has definitely been our biggest signal. And that's why we issued specific recommendations on how to consume lettuce right now in Michigan in order to reduce your risk of cyclosporiasis. Now, I also have to say that there is a proportion of patients here, about 12 % of patients, who don't recall specific exposure to lettuce or eating at a specific fast food chain. So there could be two things going on here. So, right, I was going to ask if you have leads on other potential outbreak sources, do you believe there could possibly be other outbreak sources then?

17:56It's very possible. You know, if you look at national coverage, there are a number of states that are experiencing higher than normal numbers of cyclosporiasis. In New York recently, there was an outbreak of cyclosporiasis linked to cilantro. Other states are seeing, you know, different patterns and different trends emerge. And what we really need is our federal partners at the CDC to compile all of this data and provide a holistic look across states. And of course, we need our colleagues at the FDA to do that traceback so they can find the specific item or items that have been contaminated. We're speaking with Dr.

18:35Natasha Bagdasarian. She's Michigan's chief medical executive. Dr. Bagdasarian, are you getting the support you need from the CDC and the FDA? Well, I'll tell you, I think people are doing the best they can under a really demanding situation, just as we are here in our state. And what I can tell you is, and everyone knows that there have been cuts to public health over the last year. There have been cuts to the CDC, and a lot of that federal money is money that normally flows down to states and to local health departments. And based on that federal money alone, here in the state of Michigan, we have lost 23 staff in our Bureau of Infectious Diseases.

19:17We've lost one entire regional laboratory. Our local health departments have lost 123 staff. And as you know, those same cuts have been seen at the federal level in the CDC. So people are understaffed, they're overworked, they're stretch really thin. And we're doing this work while Michigan is experiencing unprecedented heat waves, unprecedented air quality. We're seeing a rise in communicable diseases, vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, mumps, pertussis. And so public health is being stretched in ways it's never been stretched before. Can I ask what your message is then to people as they think about funding for public health, what you want people to know?

20:01Well, you know, I think for a lot of folks, they didn't really understand what it was that public health did. They didn't really understand the benefit to themselves, to their communities, their families. And then after COVID, people really associated public health with masking and vaccines and things that have become increasingly politicized. And I do want people to recognize that food safety is an integral part of the work that public health does. And if folks care about their food safety, if people think that 6 ,500 cases of a parasitic diarrheal disease in Michigan alone is unacceptable, then it's important that we fund at the national level, at the federal level, the infrastructure we need to prevent disease outbreaks like this from happening in the future.

20:50Dr. Bagdasarian, do you expect that cases will level off now that we've seen the recall from Taylor Farms in particular? You know, I think that every recall is going to be helpful. However, I do have to say that we still are interviewing folks here who are not reporting exposure to iceberg lettuce. And we also know that people are reporting exposure to lettuce and produce at places other than just restaurant fast food chains. And so my concern is that the outbreak is bigger than the current recall covers. And we need our colleagues at the FDA to continue their traceback work and to make sure that we've identified any and all contaminated produce.

21:38I do think we've been issuing a lot of guidance about the safest ways to eat produce. We put out guidance on July 1st, July 4th, and I am hopeful that as people start taking those recommendations, as they start buying whole heads of lettuce versus bagged salad mixes, for example, that we start seeing a slowdown in some of these cases. Dr. Bagdasarian, there's, of course, a lot of internet speculation around this outbreak. What can people do to help the investigation? Well, you know, if you, number one, if you're having symptoms, if you're having watery diarrhea that is prolonged, that's not getting better, or it gets better and then comes back, and you live in a place like Michigan, it's important to seek medical care and to specifically asked to be tested for cyclospora.

22:27Not all stool tests will cover this particular parasite, so it's important to get tested. Those test results automatically come to the state of Michigan, and we're conducting our investigation, and you will likely get a call from someone asking you about your food history. And a lot of folks don't want to answer those calls or don't want to have a 45-minute interview with public health, but those interviews are really helpful in providing us with clues. So I would encourage people to get tested if you're symptomatic, get treated, of course, and then please, please cooperate with public health when we do reach out to you.

23:05That's Dr. Natasha Bagdasarian, Michigan's Chief Medical Executive, a member of Governor Gretchen Whitmer's cabinet. Dr. Bagdasarian, thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Epidemiologist Caitlin Rivers is still with us. She's the author of Crisis Averted, The Hidden Science of Fighting Outbreaks, and journalist Helena Bademiller-Evich, founder and editor-in-chief of Food Fix, an online publication about food policy. Caitlin, can I just ask you to sort of follow up on what Dr. Bagdasarian was saying about the contact tracing, about the state of the public health system, particularly as we look at those cuts?

23:42I'm just curious your response to what she was describing to everybody. I think what we heard from Dr. Bagdasarian is dead on and exactly what I'm hearing from my colleagues across the industry. There have been cuts after cuts after cuts to public health capacities. And it sounds like an abstract concept. You know, we're talking millions of dollars. And as an everyday person, it's difficult to understand what that means in practice. But what it means is that we are more likely to face outbreaks like the current one that we are facing. And when something does pop up, our public health officials are under enormous strain to respond effectively.

24:18We see that really at all levels, the federal level, the state level, the local level. We see it across FDA, across CDC, really far-reaching consequences. And I do fear or worry that we're going to continue to see outbreaks that are difficult to manage because of these very real and consequential cuts. Helena, we're getting quite a few questions about the idea of testing and particularly the technology used to determine whether or not you have the parasite. We got a message from Will in Maryland who said, Many other microorganisms can be quickly and reliably detected in lab specimens using methods based on DNA sequences specific to each particular pathogen.

25:01What is the difficulty in using PCR technology in DNA sequence recognition for cyclospora diagnosis? Helena, can I ask you to answer that? Yeah, it's a really good question. As I mentioned earlier, we still have a lot of scientific gaps about this particular parasite, and it is a tricky one to begin with. The long incubation time makes it really hard to track down what food might be causing it, and then it's really hard to deal with in a lab. So not only trying to find it in lettuce is difficult, but then you can't grow it out to take a genetic fingerprint of that parasite and then match it with other cases, which is what investigators are able to do with pathogens like E.

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25:45coli 0157H7 or salmonella. And so investigators are really lacking one of the key tools they normally use to connect cases. So if this were a different, if this were E. coli or salmonella, we would be able to see pretty easily which cases were linked together and then potentially linked to products. So it's just a really tricky bug to deal with. And I just want to follow up on this issue of funding. I think it is not only a question of whether or not our food safety system and our public health system is adequately funded, which basically everyone within this system agrees that they're that it is under strain, that is underfunded, understaffed at this point, and that is hampering the response not only to cyclospora, but also other food safety issues.

26:34But we are not taking this seriously as a public health issue that's been emerging over the last decade. We need more research and we need more focus on it. We just don't know enough. And this is a real food safety problem in the U.S. and it is not going away. Caitlin, traditionally, where has that research and that funding come from? Has it been the federal government? It's split between the federal government, some epidemiological investigation or research will be done at the state and local level, but also academia. And the same cuts that we're seeing affecting our federal and state public health agencies have also been passed along to university professors and researchers.

27:15The number of grant dollars going out the door to fund all sorts of research, from biomedical research to food safety research, to the kinds of research you may never think about because it is,

27:29let me just say that there have been massive cuts and that that is really affecting our ability to do the kind of work that could fill in the gaps that we're seeing currently. We're talking to epidemiologist Caitlin Rivers and journalist Helena Bademiller-Evich. Let's get to some of your questions. If we can do rapid fire here, we've got a lot of listener questions I'm hoping we can get through quickly here for a few minutes before the break. Helena, we have a question about the idea of using antibiotics and why should you use antibiotics to treat a parasite? Actually, Caitlin, can I have you answer that?

28:04Yeah, sure. So it is a little bit surprising that an antibiotic is used to treat this parasite, but it blocks the folate pathway involved in replication and DNA synthesis for both bacteria and for cyclospora. And so it is the recommended treatment for this infection. Helena, we got an email from Anthony who says, if you've had the symptoms for a few weeks, do doctors still typically prescribe antibiotics or is there a point you just have to get over it? That's a good question. I think they do still treat it and you should absolutely seek medical care if you've been having symptoms for a few weeks, not only to get treatment, but also so that you can be part of the investigation and help investigators track down what may have caused this.

28:43So absolutely do seek treatment. It can be a very long, miserable couple of weeks if you do not seek treatment. Caitlin, Dave texts, how does the parasite get onto or into the produce? It's part of the life cycle of the parasite. Part of the reason that it's not human to human, as we discussed earlier, is that it requires a period of maturation in the environment. Often it's introduced into the environment through contaminated water. So that could be through irrigation systems, through flooding. And so it's often, but not exclusively, through contaminated water that it gets onto the produce. And is it only produce?

29:20Meat cannot become tainted from this parasite? Historically, outbreaks have always been linked to produce. And also, cooking does kill the parasite. Helena, we got this question from Marlena, who emailed, How do I stay safe during this outbreak? It seems unhealthy to just avoid all fresh fruits and veggies, but I'm not sure what's hosting the parasite. Yeah, it's a great question. I am not avoiding fresh produce. I don't think people need to. You can wash it thoroughly. You can also avoid bagged salad at this time if you're worried about it. And as was mentioned, you can cook your produce to 158 degrees and that will kill the parasite if it's contaminated.

29:56A member of the 1A text club writes, maybe I have it. I definitely have the chronic, watery stuff coming out of my bum, but I can barely afford rent, let alone a doctor's visit. Still to come, what does this outbreak reveal about food safety? And we'll continue the conversation about investing in the public health infrastructure in the U.S. That's just ahead. Stay with us.

30:22You've got a lot of ways to get news and a lot of podcasts in your feed that take a long time to get to the point. Here and Now Anytime gets to the heart of the day's big story all in about 20 minutes every afternoon. Get smarter and expand your world fast. Listen to Here and Now anytime on the NPR app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Let's get back to cyclospora, the parasite responsible for thousands of cases of gastrointestinal illness across 34 states this summer. Caitlin, can I just ask, we've gotten a bunch of questions about this, how you determine, how epidemiologists determine whether you're looking at one large outbreak or several distinct clusters.

31:08What does the current picture suggest and why does that matter from a tracing standpoint? It can be really tricky to understand whether you have one outbreak going on or multiple. The primary data really derives from these interviews that we've been hearing about where disease investigators interview people who were affected to learn what they ate or where the kinds of restaurants they visited to see what they have in common. And what you might look for is different kinds of clustering. So if you have maybe half of people, just making up numbers here, who were exposed to shredded lettuce at a fast food restaurant, you may consider that one cluster.

31:46And if there is another segment of people who ate fresh raspberries, for example, again, just as an example, you might consider that a second cluster. And then we really look at laboratory evidence, samples from the suspected products for confirmation and trace back to get confirmation. What we're seeing right now, which is just what we heard from Dr. Bagdasarian, is that most states in the country are experiencing at least some cyclosporiasis cases, if not an increase. One thing I found interesting, for example, is that New York has reported hundreds, over 500 cases of cyclosporiasis, but they were not listed on the recall list of places that had received a recalled product.

32:27And so it could be that there is something to look at there. I think we're really still trying to understand the edges of this outbreak and figure out what is driving these increased case counts. Let's talk about food surveillance in the U.S. Under the Biden administration, the FDA cut millions of dollars for state-level food inspections of farms and factories. In January 2025, the Government Accountability Office warned that the FDA hadn't met its domestic food inspection targets since 2018. And then President Trump took office and slashed tens of thousands of jobs from the Departments of Health and Human Services and the Department of Agriculture.

33:04At a press briefing last week, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt was asked whether funding cuts have slowed the response to the outbreak. Here's what she said. We've talked to the CDC and FDA specifically about that, and not at all. They have the resources they need to make sure that Americans are fully informed and protected from this illness during this time. We reached out to HHS, the FDA, the CDC, and the White House directly for comment and have yet to hear back. If we do, we will add their response to our website at the1a.org. We did reach Emory University School of Medicine professor Joel Barrett.

33:37He led the CDC laboratory team responsible for identifying parasitic outbreaks in the U.S., including cyclospora. He resigned last year after his 11-person team dwindled to just three people after the federal government hiring freeze. And we asked him what impact he thinks staffing and funding cuts might be having on the cyclospora response. The food system in the U.S. is extremely complicated. It's a big country and there are foods being, you know, imported, exported from all over the world and to various parts of the world. And there are many places where a foodborne pathogen could enter the U.S.

34:14food supply. and limiting the number of staff that you have to investigate where these kind of vulnerabilities are is going to make the U.S. more vulnerable to outbreaks of a larger scale, I believe. Helena, we got this email from Noemi who emails and says, would better inspections have caught this more thorough, more often? Yeah, it's a really good question. I mean, I have to say every food safety expert I have talked to during this outbreak agrees that these cuts have strained the U.S. food safety system, the public health system. There is a general feeling that these cuts are not a good idea.

34:54Like you do not want to decimate your parasite division at CDC and then be scrambling to deal with a parasite outbreak that is unprecedented. I mean, we haven't seen an outbreak this large. If we have this surge of cases, even if it is multiple sources, this will be the largest foodborne illness outbreak we've seen in more than three decades. So this is a really big deal. This is a disaster. And I think going back to cyclospora being a food safety concern in the U.S., we do not want this to be something that happens every year. And so it demands a really strong federal response from government agencies, from industry.

35:33It will probably involve inspections, but it's going to involve a lot of scientific research and making sure that we're focused on preventing these issues. Inspections can only catch so much. These contamination events have to be prevented. Caitlin, how does that happen? Can you say more? How can contamination, how can we work to prevent contamination from happening to begin with? There are a few different levels. One is working with our food suppliers, the farms and the industries where food is produced to make sure that they are meeting requirements for food safety, safe food handling. In this case, it would involve making sure that there are adequate bathroom facilities available for food workers, making sure that the water that is used for irrigation is clean and safe for human consumption.

36:24And then you look kind of upstream after food is harvested and think about packaging and distribution, making sure that those facilities are clean. And so there is a strong regulatory and investigation component, but it continues on from there right into our public health systems, making sure that we're able to catch outbreaks fast and respond to them quickly. So lots of different interventions and touch points, and they all need to work together smoothly in order to ensure that our food supply is safe. Helena, we got this question from Vicki in Michigan who writes, I heard that Taylor Farms voluntarily submitted a lettuce sample.

37:04Are there food safety inspectors collecting samples from wash waters and irrigation systems through unannounced inspections? Yeah, this is a good question. I think there's a lot of confusion about what happened with this, with the cyclospora test over the weekend. So on Saturday, FDA announced that they had collected a test of Taylor lettuce, iceberg lettuce from central Mexico, and that that test had sparked a positive for cyclospora. And the reason that was such a big deal is the lettuce was not, that the lettuce that they tested was collected at the border. It was not part of the recall that had already been announced.

37:46And so that positive would have meant that, oh my gosh, we did not get all the lettuce. We need to recall more lettuce. Now, by Sunday, FDA had said, actually, this was a false positive. This was not actually a positive for cyclospora, and we can disregard it. It made everyone really confused, though, because it didn't change the underlying findings of FDA's and CDC's investigation, which is that in these five states, Taylor Farms de Mexico's iceberg lettuce from central Mexico is the likely source of this outbreak. And so just because we had a false positive at the border does not mean that all of a sudden we don't know anything about what's causing this cluster in five states.

38:25The FDA right now is doing some targeted testing at the border of, we know, particularly lettuce coming in from central Mexico. And I think that makes sense considering how many cases we've seen. We really do need to be doing more screening just to make sure that we don't have bigger contamination issues here. We also got this question, Houston emails, are local health departments testing sewage for the presence of cyclospora? Caitlin, is that something that happens? That's a great question, and I don't have the answer to that on hand, but I can speak to the increasing role of wastewater surveillance, which is what's described here in disease surveillance.

39:04It was really during the COVID-19 pandemic that wastewater surveillance became an important part of the way that we survey for pathogens. It started by just looking for SARS-CoV-2 or the virus that causes COVID-19. But in the intervening years, there have been more and more targets added so that we are now using wastewater surveillance for all kinds of pathogens. And so I think that's an exciting development in terms of our ability to track outbreaks and one that I hope receives continued investment. A member of the 1A Tax Club writes, just to look beyond this specific outbreak, what policy changes might contribute to better prevention and management when such crises arise?

39:44Caitlin, what's your response to that? And Helena, I'd love to have you weigh in as well. This is a whole universe of thoughts and ideas about how we can improve our outbreak response capacities. One that I am particularly passionate about is learning from what are called high reliability industries. These are things like commercial aviation, aircraft carriers, the oil and gas industry that have really complex and high stakes operations, but where the tolerance for accident and error is zero. And what's so impressive about those kinds of industries and what I think we could really learn and implement in outbreak response and epidemiology is this idea of constant learning, constantly observing what has gone wrong, what nearly went wrong, what we could be doing better, and ensuring those lessons are implemented, not just in a specific jurisdiction or relative to a specific outbreak, but in public health jurisdictions all across the country.

40:33And so that is an idea or an engine of innovation that I'm particularly excited about. Helena? Yeah, so about 15 years ago, Congress actually passed the biggest update to food safety law in about a century. It was called the Food Safety Modernization Act, or FISMA for short. And that law was really meant to prevent outbreaks exactly like this. And I think it's time for Washington or Congress, GAO, to really look at that law and see what is working and what is not. Do we need other rules and regulations around maybe water sanitation, water testing? Are there other precautions that can be taken on farm?

41:12And then as I mentioned earlier, we really need to invest in scientific research. Everyone in the produce industry and in the scientific community and public health that I've talked to has said it is astonishing that we are still asking the same questions about cyclospora that we had eight to 10 years ago. We have just not invested in understanding this parasite and preventing it. And it is clearly a real food safety concern in this country now that again is not going away. We now have a cyclospora season, and it's every summer. And for produce eaters, you know, that's just not a good, this is not a good situation.

41:46So it is something we need to get a handle on. And I hope Congress or other political leaders will actually get in the game here because we don't want to do this every year. We're getting a lot of email questions about this summer and right now and how best to wash fruits and vegetables to continue to consume them. Caitlin, what is your advice for folks? Well, the most reliable approach is cooked produce. Now, that's obviously not going to make sense for all produce items. So another option is rinsing. Rinsing is not foolproof. The parasite is sticky. It can adhere to the sides of the produce.

42:23And so rinsing can help to reduce contamination, but it cannot or may not fully prevent it. Longer rinses are going to be better than short rinses. So go for that full minute. But again, just be aware that it's a risk reduction strategy, not a risk elimination strategy. We got this email from Rosanna in Gainesville who says, I've had bloating and explosive diarrhea for the past six days while I was traveling in the Northeast. It's become progressively worse. This morning that I'm back in town, I call my GP. He prescribed Bactrim twice a day for seven days without even seeing me. Is this a common practice?

42:55Is stool testing not even necessary? Caitlin? Some providers or physicians may choose to treat based on knowledge that there is an outbreak going on and that there are compatible symptoms. Testing is usually recommended not just to better treat the patient, but also for public health surveillance purposes. But we do see this not infrequently during outbreaks where physicians will treat presumptively. And I guess we should also just ask a very basic question about how serious this illness is for the majority of people, how seriously people need to take this, especially as we've seen so many people online joking about this being a good weight loss technique.

43:34it's a very unpleasant illness and so for that reason alone i think it's worth preventing and treating most healthy people will recover on their own even without antibiotic treatment the big risk here is dehydration so infants older adults and people with immunocompromise will be at higher risk from dehydration and its complications so it will be particularly important for them to stay hydrated and seek treatment helena this as you've talked about we're sort of in a world where we have a cyclospora season now. What should people be watching for? What do you want the public to understand about this outbreak that isn't getting enough attention right now?

44:10Well, I think the first is that, you know, fresh produce consumption is something that American consumers shouldn't have to fear. Like, there shouldn't be questions around, oh my gosh, can I feed my toddler these raspberries or not? I think it is fair for consumers to demand a better outbreak response, more prevention, because this really isn't something we want to see become the new normal. I mentioned before, I am still eating fresh produce and part of that is because I know this happens every year. We see sometimes thousands of cases of cyclospora in the summer. Now, what is happening right now, it should be noted, is much worse than anything we've seen before.

44:50The scale is much larger. Clearly, there is something going on here, but I am really concerned about next summer. And I would really hate, as a consumer, for Washington to not have taken this seriously and for us to be in the same place next summer. That's Helena Bademiller-Evich, founder and editor-in-chief of Food Fix, an online publication about food policy. I also want to thank Caitlin Rivers for joining us as well, an epidemiologist, director of the Center for Outbreak Response Innovation at Johns Hopkins, and author of the book, Crisis Averted, The Hidden Science of Fighting Outbreaks. Remember, text is always the fastest way to connect with us.

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You may have heard of a parasite that’s causing some gastrointestinal distress.

Cyclospora has sickened thousands of people across 34 states this summer – more than six times the number reported at this point last year. The CDC has linked a major cluster to shredded iceberg lettuce at Taco Bell in some states. And Taylor Farms de Mexico has now pulled all of its iceberg lettuce from the U.S. market despite an FDA finding that reports that its product contained the parasite were a false positive.

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