Special Call-In: Teaching In 2026

1 Sep 2026 · 45 min · 28 chapters

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In short

Teachers and school staff discuss the 2026-27 school year, focusing on teacher burnout/retention, budget uncertainty and proposed federal K-12 cuts, student behavior/engagement, literacy decline, and how AI and technology are changing classroom work and assessment.

Guest backgrounds

  • Lance Barish: High school math teacher, Dallas Independent School District (also Teach Plus “Leading Edge Fellow”).
  • Jennifer Lopez: High school social studies teacher, Los Angeles Unified School District; previously taught elementary and middle school; National Teacher Leader Council (Educators for Excellence).
  • Lauren Lumpkin: National education reporter, The Washington Post.

Key claims

  • Proposed federal cuts (over $8B) could reduce funding for mental health, teacher prep, and English language acquisition even if Title I may remain.
  • Many teachers lack adequate AI training (panel cites ~24% reporting adequate AI training).
  • Student behavior and engagement are top concerns; relationships and routines help.
  • Literacy is declining as classrooms rely more on excerpts than full novels; “Mississippi miracle” tied improvements to science-of-reading and early screening.

Notable examples

  • An ELL teacher describes losing AI/cheating-detection software due to budget cuts and shifting to paper plus integrity conversations.
  • Teachers use paper/hand-based notebooks and project-based learning (YPAR) to preserve curiosity and reduce AI outsourcing.
  • Districts limit screen time in early grades; parents and policymakers shape patchwork tech rules.

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Chapters

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Panel Introduction

2:12 to 3:16

Meet the guest panel of teachers and education reporters discussing the upcoming school year.

“As we mourn the loss of the great Dolly Parton, it feels good to listen back to her reflecting on her life and to hear some of her Dolly-isms.”

Excitement and Concerns for the New School Year

3:16 to 4:34

Teachers share their excitement about returning to the classroom and concerns for the school year.

“He's a high school math teacher at Dallas Independent School District.”

Impact of Federal Education Cuts

4:34 to 5:51

Discussion on the proposed federal education cuts and their potential implications for schools.

“What's the issue keeping you up at night?”

AI's Role in Education Challenges

5:51 to 8:21

Teachers talk about the challenges of AI in the classroom and maintaining academic integrity.

“But concerns I'm hearing, of course, it's kind of what's going to happen with these federal grants that districts really rely on.”

Teacher Training and AI Support

8:21 to 10:28

Panelists discuss the need for better training and support regarding AI in educational settings.

“But that's what I've had to resort to, their own integrity.”

Worries and Optimism for the School Year

10:28 to 13:07

Teachers express their worries and hopes as the new school year begins, focusing on student relationships.

“Lauren, when we zoom out and look at the national picture, how is artificial intelligence shaping the conversation around education policy right now?”

Return to Teacher Concerns

13:11 to 14:00

Continuing the discussion about teacher challenges in the classroom.

“The fatal shooting of a teenager at a protest in Seattle has gone unsolved for six years.”

Concerns of Educators This Year

14:01 to 14:26

Teachers express their pressing concerns as the school year begins.

“We're talking to teachers and other school staff today about what's on their minds as the new school year gets underway.”

Beverly's Perspective as a School Psychologist

14:28 to 15:37

Beverly shares insights on behavioral challenges faced by students and the role of parents.

“Now, Beverly, you are a school psychologist.”

Funding and Resource Challenges in Classrooms

15:39 to 18:56

Discussion on the financial struggles teachers face to furnish classrooms.

“I've been doing this for 32 years now, and I just see a lot of things you've already talked about, the short attention span, um, the lack of respect for teachers.”
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The Impact of Funding Cuts on Rural Education

18:59 to 20:56

Andy discusses the negative effects of funding cuts on education resources in rural areas.

“For a little while, we were receiving some relief funds during the pandemic.”

Embracing AI in Education

20:58 to 22:04

Nora advocates for understanding AI's role as a tool rather than a life replacement.

“I think it's really important that if it is somewhat of an inevitability that AI is going to take over everything, And I'm not sure that I want to accept that.”

Navigating Budget Cuts and Their Effects

22:05 to 24:48

Discussion on the connection between federal funding cuts and state-level education resources.

“Andy talks about living in a mostly rural area.”

Fostering Curiosity in Students

24:49 to 28:00

Educators share their strategies for inspiring curiosity and engagement in students.

“Lauren, you're a professor and you're working with first year incoming students.”

Using AI to Foster Curiosity in Students

28:00 to 28:33

Learn how AI can be a partner in driving student curiosity and engagement.

“And so striking their curiosity, asking them to do exploration projects where they research a famous mathematician or they look into the latest research so that their interest is really being driven.”

Concerns About Curriculum in Texas

28:33 to 29:20

Hear a former teacher's perspective on the politicization of education in Texas.

“Let's get to another call quickly before the break.”

Impact of State Education Policies

29:20 to 30:21

Discuss the implications of recent changes to Texas's social studies curriculum.

“Lance, this is something we talked about last year, a concern about education, not just the policy, but the curriculum itself being politicized in certain ways.”

Importance of Teacher Recognition

30:21 to 30:56

Explore public sentiment regarding the respect and compensation teachers deserve.

“We'll be right back with more after this break.”

Declining Literacy Rates and Their Causes

31:01 to 32:38

Investigate concerns about literacy decline among students and its impact.

“We heard from several of you about a decline in literacy and reading.”

Shifts in Reading Practices in Schools

32:38 to 34:37

Learn about the transition away from full novels to excerpts in classrooms.

“Lauren, you've actually covered this trend in schools.”

Strategies for Improving Literacy

34:37 to 35:11

Discover successful strategies from states that improved literacy rates significantly.

“so that by the time they're really learning how to read, teachers are aware of what challenges a child might have.”

Challenges with Student Behavior

35:11 to 36:45

Discuss the difficulties teachers face regarding student behavior and parental support.

“Well, if you want to hear more about that story, head over to the1a.org and you can look that up and give it a listen.”

Building Strong Student Relationships

36:45 to 39:24

Explore the importance of student-teacher relationships in managing behavior.

“And even standing in line, waiting their turn, their sense of delayed gratification is so diminished that that really concerns me.”

Navigating Technology in Education

39:24 to 41:35

Examine the balance between technology use and traditional learning methods.

“Let's go to Molly in Blacksburg, Virginia.”

Collaborative Approaches to Educational Technology

41:35 to 42:00

Learn about the importance of collaboration between parents and teachers regarding technology use.

“And so, Jennifer, how is that discussion playing out in your district?”

Challenges of Technology in Education

42:00 to 44:35

Discussing the balance between technology use and traditional learning methods.

“I think one thing, like I mentioned previously, at the elementary level at our district, they're limiting screen time for elementary students to do more hand-based, written pieces.”

The Importance of Early Childhood Education

44:35 to 45:56

Highlighting the social-emotional skills developed in early childhood education.

“A lot of other states are making similar steps.”

Final Thoughts from Educators

45:56 to 47:28

Educators share their insights and encouragement for teachers and students.

“and their access to early childhood education.”
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0:28At NPR, there's a little something for everyone.

0:35For some of you, that sound is still a week away. For others, the doors are already open and it's back to school. Today, it's all about the teachers. You've seen yourselves on television, in movies, and memes every year. Anderson? Here. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? You've been called heroes? You also have plenty of critics. You fought for better salaries and benefits. You've been asked to do more with less. You started GoFundMes to pay for your classroom supplies when the funding isn't there. Attention, I have a very important update regarding our school. Since there aren't enough second graders for two classes, Ms.

1:15Teague's will now have 40 students. I, for one, am excited to see if it will break her. It won't. It might. Last year, we asked you what excites you and what worries you about the year ahead. And we heard from so many of you nationwide. so we're back to ask you again, because the 2026-27 school year arrives as the country faces a lot. The Trump administration has proposed billions of dollars in cuts for federal education programs. Immigration enforcement near schools is still a concern in some districts, and AI is changing what happens inside classrooms faster than many teachers feel prepared for.

1:50I'm Jen White. You're listening to the 1A Podcast. For this show, we opened our phones and took calls from you and teachers across the nation. When we come back after this short break, we'll hear from them and our panel of guests. The phone lines are now closed, but you're welcome to still leave us a voicemail. Stay with us.

2:11Hi, it's Terry Gross, host of Fresh Air. As we mourn the loss of the great Dolly Parton, it feels good to listen back to her reflecting on her life and to hear some of her Dolly-isms. I always say that it's a good thing I was a woman, because if I'd have been a man, I would have been a drag queen, just because I'm so damn gaudy. We've dropped the Dolly Fresh Air interview on the NPR app and wherever you listen to podcasts. Waylon, it seems like everything is being called a recession indicator these days. Yeah, like the box of Hamburger Helper in my pantry. Or the new Apple Neo book. Or the resurgence of press on nails, or lipstick, or no lipstick.

2:48I've lost track. There is only one way to know if these are actual economic warning signs, though. Listen to the indicator from Planet Money on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the 1A podcast. It's back to school season. For this show, we opened our phones and took calls from listeners and teachers across the nation. You'll hear that conversation in a bit. But first, let's meet our guest panel, which includes two teachers we spoke to last year. Joining us from Dallas, Texas, is Lance Barish. He's a high school math teacher at Dallas Independent School District. Lance, welcome back.

3:23Thank you for having me. And joining us from Los Angeles is Jennifer Lopez. She's a high school social studies teacher at Los Angeles Unified School District. She's also taught elementary and middle school students. Jennifer, welcome. Thank you. Excited to be back here. And joining us again in studio in Washington is Lauren Lumpkin, national education reporter for The Washington Post. Lauren, welcome back. Hi, thank you. So Lance and Jennifer, I first want to hear from you two about being back at school. Lance, what are you looking forward to this year? I mean, just another school year always brings such a bright and exciting energy in the classroom, meeting new students, learning their names and their stories, and then trying to impart some great math concepts to them over the course of the next year.

4:05It's just an exciting time. Jennifer, what about you? Yeah, well, I'm already on week four, so I'm right in the nick of it. It's been just beautiful connecting with former students coming in from last year, like, hey, miss, how was your summer? Where did you travel to? What classes are you teaching? And I'm currently teaching a new AP psych class. So I'm telling, I'm trying to recruit my former students to take that class. And so it's the beauty of, like, reteaching them and making those student connections right now. Lance, what about your top concern this school year? What's the issue keeping you up at night?

4:36Oh, man, you named so many in the intro there. And I'm going to have to go with the teacher retention issue and teacher burnout. I think it's just a really strong time of all of these factors affecting our classrooms from both inside and outside forces, whether it's budget shortfalls, whether it's the distraction of technology in the classroom. All of those things are just making the job more and more challenging as teachers continue to rise to the occasion. Jennifer, and for you, the thing that's keeping you up at night? I would also say echo Lance's piece on work-life balance. It's just especially us taking on a new prep or a new class, just up late planning or after hours on weekends.

5:14In addition to cuts, there's a lot of things in the media right now with our district that there might be cuts next year. We saw cuts last year. And so that is something on my mind. Well, we mentioned the Trump administration's proposed cuts of more than$8 billion to federal K-12 education programs. Congress is still debating the final numbers. But supporters say those cuts would eliminate waste and restore local control. Critics say schools that depend on federal funding for English learners, mental health services, teacher training, those schools will feel the squeeze. Lauren, help us understand what these cuts would mean for schools around the country.

5:50Yeah, definitely something I'm following closely and trying to figure out what exactly the impact will be. But concerns I'm hearing, of course, it's kind of what's going to happen with these federal grants that districts really rely on. And a lot of people I talk to are encouraged because Title I, which is, you know, the biggest grant and the ones that particularly low-income schools depend on, that's going to be intact. That doesn't seem like it's going to change, but, you know, for mental health and for teacher preparation and English language acquisition, so many of those things, you know, if the federal grants are not there, then there's just not really any funding for it.

6:22Well, let's go to the phones. We've got Jacob calling from Maryland. Jacob, you're teaching 12th grade. What are you facing this school year that has you either really excited or really concerned? I am, thank you for taking my call. I work with ELL students, and our language learners rely heavily on the Internet. One of the challenges that I'm seeing is that with the budgetary cuts, the software that we used to be able to use to detect, you know, cheating has been taken away, basically, because of budgetary cuts. And so now we're faced with the dilemma of how can we know that the students' work is authentic, especially while AI has gotten even more savvy.

7:12I'm amazed at some of the questions that AI is able to answer. But that's my concern, just how we can assure that students are getting an authentic education. I mean, Jacob, how are you responding to artificial intelligence and the way students may be using it, especially if you don't have the tools available to you that you have before? Well, to be honest with you, shout out to HAPA, which is one of the programs that we have traditionally have paid for for us. I just reached out to them yesterday and said, hey, listen, we don't have the money to pay for this right now, but can you please just extend some grace?

7:53And so shout out to those guys. They've made their program available to us. The other things that we are doing is shifting to paper for a lot of our assignments that we're doing. And so I use a lot of iExcel, which has a monitoring system. And frankly, just having frank conversations with the students about their learning. And so I'd rather see them struggle than just have the correct answer. But that's what I've had to resort to, their own integrity. Okay. Thanks a lot for that call, Jacob. If you're a teacher, we want to know what you're thinking about as you're heading into this school year.

8:31The number is 855-236-1212. Maybe you're concerned about tech in the classroom or staffing cuts or student behavior. Call us, 855-236-1A1A. Lance, we've spoken about the use of AI in the classroom in previous conversations. How is that showing up in your district? That's a really great question and top of mind for so many parents. And it's showing up in Dallas ISD where I work with very scaffolded provided tools coming to us from the district. with guidance on how to use those tools for student learning, how to best support them, because these tools are not going away and students, as the caller mentioned, are accessing them.

9:16We need a little bit more of a combined effort on what are the best practices to use these tools responsibly, both from the student side and honestly on the teacher side, so that we can be on the same page and proactively be addressing this moment so that it doesn't get away from us, because it's not going away. Jennifer, what kinds of supports around the use of AI, either as a teacher or how students are using AI, what kind of support are you getting in your classroom? I know our district has been reducing screen time in elementary schools, and they brought that up to the high school level as well.

9:51But in terms of just training itself, that's something I can definitely use more from. And on our survey on Educators for Excellence, which will be released at the end of September called Voices of the Classroom. We found that only 24 % of teachers say they've gotten adequate AI training. And similar to the caller, I've leaned on paper-based, hand-based, interactive notebooks, projects, because I've seen the usage of AI. And it does go back to also having those conversations with students about integrity and your thinking and, you know, how to prepare for the real world and that balance. But like Glenn said, it's not going away.

10:24So how do we get trained properly to also help the students use it properly? Lauren, when we zoom out and look at the national picture, how is artificial intelligence shaping the conversation around education policy right now? It's huge. I feel like it's the only thing I've been talking about with a lot of policymakers and teachers and superintendents recently. But I think the national data that I've come across, Gallup and the Walton Family Foundation did a study and kind of mirrors what Jennifer just brought up. the fact that a lot of teachers are using, I think it's about six in 10 teachers are using AI, but relatively few, about 20%, 18 % are getting kind of formal instruction about it in schools and from their districts.

11:03And so obviously there's kind of like that gap in knowledge. And when you look at students, it's the same way. About 70 % of teenagers report using AI for schoolwork or for projects and things like that. But the kind of formal guidance is sometimes missing. We're speaking to Lauren Lumpkin. She's national education writer at The Washington Post. Also with us, Lance Barish. She teaches high school math in Dallas and Jennifer Lopez, who teaches high school social studies in Los Angeles. And we want to hear from teachers and other school workers about what's worrying you and energizing you as this school year begins.

11:40We heard from Ian. He taught high school science for 20 years. Ian says, There is so much to worry about at the start of a new school year, but I find myself excited and hopeful more than anything. Students crave relationships and genuine learning, even if they do mask it with behaviors. The more conversations we can have about the trajectory of education in this country and the framing of teachers as respected professionals, the better. Well, coming up, how are teachers coping with distraction and behavior problems in the classroom? And how are school districts trying to address the issue? And a reminder from Steve in Rochester who writes, No matter who you are and whether you are heading back to school or not, a lot of kids are and will be getting back on to buses.

12:22Please, people, heed the laws and slow down with yellow flashing lights and stop when the lights are red and the stop sign is out. Steve, great reminder for all of us. We'll be right back.

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13:54Listen to Code Switch in the NPR app or wherever you get your pockets. Let's get back into the conversation. We're talking to teachers and other school staff today about what's on their minds as the new school year gets underway. Education Week surveyed more than 1 ,000 educators earlier this year, and the picture they paint is pretty clear. Student behavior and engagement are the top concerns. Budget uncertainty is close behind, and somewhere in the mix is artificial intelligence. It's showing up in classrooms whether teachers feel ready for it or not. Let's go back to the phones. We have Beverly on the line in Ithaca, New York.

14:30Now, Beverly, you are a school psychologist. You work primarily with preschool through sixth graders. What's on your mind? I just wanted to take time to give a huge shout out to all the teachers out there in the primary school, early elementary, who are going in and or, as some of your colleagues have said, already been working. The time, energy, and money that they put into setting up their classroom every year. Every June, they have to take it down, put it in boxes, but then they come back every year, open it back up, and create just such a nurturing environment. and open arms for all those loving, well, and not always loving children that come into their environment.

15:13And they are working with these kiddos and pouring their heart and soul for 180 days. And no salary can cover that. Well, Beverly, I'm curious to hear from you as well as a school psychologist. I mean, you're working with students, but also with teachers. What are your concerns or what are you excited about this school year? the concern has been increasingly the behavioral challenges. I've been doing this for 32 years now, and I just see a lot of things you've already talked about, the short attention span, um, the lack of respect for teachers. And that's why I wanted to make this comment is we've all been in school and whether we have baggage of good baggage or bad baggage from our teachers, letting that go.

16:07And if you have a child going into school, going in there as the parent, as the guardian, which is another issue, it's not always the parent anymore. And just saying, what can I do to help the teacher be successful with my child? I think so often the distractibility from IA and computers and screens, that impacts the child neurologically and they're battling that. But when they hear negativity about school and teachers from the adults in their lives, that's also a huge component. I see such a difference for children when their parents and the teachers work together. I can read that. Oh, no, no, no.

16:51I was just going to thank you for the call. And Jennifer and Lance, I want to come to you on this because this is something I've noticed in recent years. I have friends who are teachers or who have children who are now teachers, and there are these GoFundMes where it's like someone's trying to, you know, deck out their classroom for the year. Can you contribute? And how well resourced are you in your district? So that, I mean, I think about walking into my fifth grade classroom. This was many, many moons ago, but how exciting it was to see what the teacher had done in the room that year. I don't know how much was coming out of her pocket.

17:30I don't know if there were people in the community helping to support that work, but now it has become more of a crowdsourcing exercise. Jennifer, is that happening in your district? Yeah, it is. I actually put together a DonorsChoose this year, and I was able to get the$1 ,600 funded, which was great. I really pride myself as being a former elementary teacher. I think about your fifth grade. I was a former fifth grade teacher, and I loved it. It had like a sports theme, and so when I moved to high school, I'm like, I still want to keep this energy alive. You know, I'm in this room six, seven hours, and I want the students to also feel like welcoming.

18:02And I've noticed, I get a lot of compliments for kids like, miss, this just feels so homey, but it comes at a cost. You know what I mean? So, but I, you know, I want to do it because it's for the kids and it's their learning environment. And Lance, do you think there are certain assumptions still made about the responsibilities teachers have, sort of the hidden labor and the hidden cost of running a classroom and that, you know, all of these things happen. The room is decorated, but maybe the assumption is that the teacher is paying for that. And that's maybe the way it should be. Yeah, that is something that we have been dealing with for a long time.

18:44My entire career, two decades in the classroom now, I've often supplemented my own funds to make my classroom look as beautiful as Jennifer's does from the sounds of it. And it's just something that we've been navigating. Funds often come from different places that are Jenga together. For a little while, we were receiving some relief funds during the pandemic. And now that's kind of gone away. And so we're always kind of taking the funds and the supplies and the resources from where we can and doing the best that we can. And unfortunately, that frequently comes from our own pocket, and I don't see that changing in the near future.

19:19Well, let's go back to the phones. We have Andy on the line from Flagstaff, Arizona. Andy, you're a school psychologist. You're working on reservations in northern Arizona. What are you seeing around funding cuts in your district? Well, I think probably what is most notable to me is that those lack of access to resources, both for teachers, students and parents, has become more detrimental to us. Students don't have access to current textbooks or curriculum. Parents don't have access to workshops or other things that they can actually go to as parents and also as teachers. Um, piggybacking on what someone had said earlier, you know, a lot of those cuts actually have taken away those, um, those resources that we have to computer programs, um, access to things that may be more, um, accessible for other communities.

20:34As a Native American psychologist, um, it becomes harder, harder for us to kind of travel. We live in a very rural area. But you know what? I'll just say this. Our kids, our teachers, they are so excited every year when they come back to school. And it's such an inspiring thing to see, encouraging to see. So thank you. Thank you for calling, Andy. Let's go to Nora in New Mexico. Nora, you teach 7th through 12th grade. What's on your mind this school year? I think it's really important that if it is somewhat of an inevitability that AI is going to take over everything, And I'm not sure that I want to accept that.

21:14But if that is the general zeitgeist, it is really it's really important for teachers as well as parents and students and everybody in the community, in the advertising world, et cetera, corporate world, et cetera. We need to start understanding that AI is a tool. It is not a way of life. And it's time for us to go back. This might be a time we can embrace as going back to basics, learning handwriting, learning reading out loud, learning silence, learning able being able to listen. I think it's really important because kids are not just using AI in school. They're using AI chatbots to, you know, confirm their fears, to confirm their beliefs about things that haven't really actually been formed and tested in society.

21:57So it's really a community. We, you know, it really does take a village to raise a child. Nora, thank you so much for that call. I want to start with your responses on Andy's thoughts about cutting funding here, Lauren. Andy talks about living in a mostly rural area. Andy's working on reservations in northern Arizona, and he was describing how the cuts to their funding affects families in this more rural area. When we talk about cuts, we can talk about at the federal level and the state level, but how are the two connected? How does that policymaking at the federal level then affect what states are able to do?

22:36So at the federal level, I mean, really, the relationship between school districts and federal funding, a lot of it is kind of like these big grants, you know, multimillion dollar grants for, like I said earlier, teacher preparation, mental health support, services for low income families, things like that. But I mean, actually a lot of federal budgeting is, I mean, a lot of education budgeting is decided at the local level. And so, you know, when I talk to a lot of teachers about kind of budget constraints, they're often talking about these are local policies, you know, being made by state legislatures or, you know, by city council members.

23:09So that's definitely, you know, something that I've been hearing about a lot. But a lot of those conversations are honestly happening at the local level. And because those local level decisions are the ones leading to a lot of the cuts we're hearing about from teachers, is this about just tightening budgets at the state level, states having to make decisions about, you know, working with fewer resources? I think there's so many factors. Just everything is expensive right now. I mean, even, you know, to run a fleet of school buses is really expensive because gas is so expensive. Another thing that I've been following is just a lot of school districts are having really tough conversations about closing schools right now because there's just fewer students.

23:48And that's because of lower birth rates. People are leaving cities because it's gotten too expensive to live in big cities. We also have fewer students coming into the country. Immigration is a huge factor. And because schools' budgets are determined by the number of students who attend, if there's fewer students, It's just not, you know, it's not the same amount of money. However, you still have teachers that need to be paid and you still have administrators and, you know, running a school is expensive. And, you know, if there are not enough bodies, you're not enough students in the classroom, then there's just fewer resources to work with.

24:17Well, we want to hear from you. The number to call is 855-236-1212. That's 855-236-1A1A. If you're a teacher or you work in a school district in some capacity, what's top of mind for you this school year? What are you excited about? What are you worried about? We're here with Lauren Lumpkin. She's national education reporter at the Washington Post. Also with us, Lance Barrett. She teaches high school math in Dallas and Jennifer Lopez, who teaches high school social studies in Los Angeles. Let's go to Lauren in Cleveland, Ohio. Lauren, you're a professor and you're working with first year incoming students.

24:57What are you seeing around artificial intelligence and what they know about it, how to use it, some of the ethical questions about using it in their schoolwork? Hi. Yeah, I would say the biggest disconnect is really the difference between students that I've had or, you know, incoming students within the last couple of years versus, you know, pre-COVID is just like that academic like curiosity. And we've been seeing even as a department, we teach graphic design. And there is so much expectation on, okay, let me look up the answer. What is it? How do I do this? What's the best creative approach to take?

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25:45And I'm noticing that with so many of our students, they skip past the, okay, what does our community actually need? you know, who is going to benefit this based on, you know, target audience and such. And answering those questions aren't immediate. You know, there is no AI prompt. You know, you have to go out and panel people, talk to people and actually figure out, you know, what their problems are in order to solve them. And we're noticing that so much with, you know, tech and AI is, you know, that just missing factor of like the willingness to figure things out for themselves. Lauren, thank you for that call.

26:28What we're hearing there from Lauren, Jennifer, and Lance is a concern about curiosity and this willingness to sort of explore ideas or to really research something deeply. How are you navigating that in your classroom, Jennifer? Yeah, that's a great like observation. I think something as an ethnic studies teacher, one of the projects that I like to do, so one thing is like project-based kind of learning, is YPAR, which is Youth Participatory Action Research. So similar to what the caller was saying, where the students go into their community and research something that's concerning for them, that's engaging, right?

27:04And so it becomes, because at the end of the day, you want to get things that connect to students that pique their interest, right? And we've seen some really cool projects where students really go in and interview people. They survey their students, they survey community members, and really get into that. So I think more projects that really relate to what's interesting and engaging to them. And what about you, Lance? How are you navigating it in your classroom? Oh, it's such an important topic. And I love the work that our professors do, like the college professor that just called in. And as a high school teacher, part of the mandate is getting students ready for that phase.

27:39And it's not just getting them ready by, you know, putting all of this knowledge in their heads, though that's part of it. it's also putting this excitement to learn in their heads. And so for me as a math teacher, I'm constantly beating the drum that math is great. Like math is awesome. It's inherently interesting. It's not necessarily just a tool to solve problems, though it is also that. And so striking their curiosity, asking them to do exploration projects where they research a famous mathematician or they look into the latest research so that their interest is really being driven. And I don't necessarily see AI as being counter to that agenda.

28:17I think that AI can be used as a partner for curiosity if it's used the right way. So just constantly having those conversations with the students on the way that they're using it. Are they outsourcing their thinking to the AI or are they using it to really continue to strike that curiosity? Let's get to another call quickly before the break. We have Kat on the line in Texas. Kat, you're a former teacher. You're working at Education Service Center now. Now, as a former teacher observing what's playing out in your state, what concerns you? What excites you? Well, one of the major concerns in Texas that I hear from a lot of the districts and teachers that I support is the way that the State Board of Education and lawmakers are ignoring the advice of researchers and teachers, and they're pushing through the social studies peaks that have been updated, through the required reading list that they've mandated, through the Blue Lebonic curriculum, very much an American exceptionalist, an American nationalist, Christian nationalist, conservative viewpoint of the world on our students.

29:20Kat, thanks for that call. Lance, this is something we talked about last year, a concern about education, not just the policy, but the curriculum itself being politicized in certain ways. How are you feeling a year on from that discussion? The caller is definitely right in her description of some of the things that are coming down the pipe from our state legislature. A huge overhaul to our social studies curriculum was recently approved by the state board, as described. It's all part of the piece of the larger puzzle of the role of the public school in America and here in Texas specifically, and what we are doing.

30:00some of the agenda items maybe seem like they're destabilizing this idea of public school as a great equalizer that can help people raise their station and learn and, you know, compete in the world despite where they come from. And so it's all just a big stew here in Texas that we are dealing with. Well, we have to take a quick break. But before we go, this message from one of you. Mack in New Orleans writes, teachers should be the highest paid and most respected people in our society. They are informing, shaping, giving form to the people who will create our society in the future and care for the rest of us as we age, I want them to be well-informed and taught to learn and think clearly for themselves.

30:38We'll be right back with more after this break.

30:44This message comes from NPR sponsor Carvana. Carvana makes car buying easy. 100 % online. Prices down to the penny delivered to your door. Why make car buying hard when it could be easy? Visit Carvana.com today. Terms may apply. Let's get back to our conversation about what's ahead for teachers and students this upcoming school year from your perspective as teachers. We heard from several of you about a decline in literacy and reading. A teacher in Colorado left us this voicemail. I'm concerned about growing illiteracy among my students. Students aren't reading for fun or in their families. So I'm hoping that this year I can bring my students' literacy rates up.

31:28But I feel like I'm pushing up against a cultural shift towards illiteracy. And an English teacher in Los Angeles shared similar concerns. One of my major concerns as a teacher, as a high school public English teacher, is the decreasing practice of reading, not just in schools, but in homes. A lot of times the curriculum in school districts are limiting the teaching of full novels in a classroom. So in my high school, because we're a Tier 3 school, we're encouraged by the district to teach only shorter texts, such as essays, short stories, poems, and less novels, at most maybe one novel. Also, I've been trying to get students to read outside of school independently, and that is always a tough call if they don't have that habit developed by the time of high school.

32:30So general literacy, both in class and at home, is a major concern returning to the new school year. Thanks for those messages. Lauren, you've actually covered this trend in schools. Many are no longer assigning full books. They're instead relying on excerpts. Why the change? So this is actually something that's been happening slowly for maybe about the last 25 years. And it really kind of starts with the high-stakes standardized testing we saw in the 2000s. And obviously, teachers are still under incredible pressure to prepare students for these big tests at the end of the school year. These tests include essays and, you know, kind of short excerpts.

33:09Students are not reading an entire book for this test. They're reading a little piece of a book. And so in the interest of teaching to the test and preparing students for these big exams, that's what is being prioritized in a lot of classrooms rather than reading a full novel. What's known about the effect that has not on test taking but on literacy? So, I mean, because there are just fewer opportunities to read books in school, students are just not really getting the skill of reading a book. Persistence and, you know, building confidence. You know, how much confidence comes with being able to, you know, finish a book and saying, well, I did that and I was able to trace an idea from beginning to end.

33:46And so students are just, they're not really getting as much practice as they were, you know, maybe 10, 15 years ago. And then, you know, as the teacher who left the voicemail mentioned earlier, students, fewer students are reading for fun. There was a national survey asking students how often they read for fun outside of school. And right now we're at a 40-year low. I do want to mention that not all the literacy news is bad news. Last year, we covered how Mississippi and Louisiana went from being the worst ranked states for literacy to the states with some of the steepest improvements in reading scores.

34:18Lauren, how did they turn things around? So they did a few things. They often call it the Mississippi miracle because of how, you know, how kind of dramatically Mississippi turned reading rates around. And a lot of it started with teaching the science of reading, which really kind of became a focus for a lot of states over the last few years. And that's basically just teaching phonics, teaching students how to sound words out and how different sounds build words, which sounds kind of intuitive now, but it's actually different from the kind of common practice of reading for the last 20, 30 years or so.

34:53They've also done more with teacher training and incentivizing teachers to do professional development and screening also earlier, like screening students for dyslexia and different learning disabilities early, you know, in preschool and early elementary school. so that by the time they're really learning how to read, teachers are aware of what challenges a child might have. Well, if you want to hear more about that story, head over to the1a.org and you can look that up and give it a listen. Let's go back to the phones. We've got DJ on the line from Maryland. DJ, you're a retired art teacher and you're thinking a lot about student behavior in schools.

35:26What's on your mind? Yeah, I loved my job. I loved my kids. I always looked at art as, you know, not just like art, but mostly helping the children learn creative problem solving processes. And I got to the point where I felt that the parents just were not supporting me in any way. So I'll give you an example. I could watch a child take a paintbrush and literally like paint all over the student next to them or on the table. And I could call the parents in the evening and say, we have an issue today, you know, with your child. And they would start literally yelling at me and saying things like, well, what aren't you doing to keep my child engaged?

36:07So, number one, the child never had to take responsibility for their behavior, which I find disturbing. And it kept it grew. That kind of behavior grew. And secondly, I found not only a lack of motivation with this generation, but they have no, I shouldn't say all of them, but many children have a delayed sense of gratification. So anything that took longer than five minutes, done. So you could say, here, you know, we're going to do this, we're going to paint this. And after 10 minutes, done. And I would say, well, wait a second, you know, maybe we could do this or that. And even standing in line, waiting their turn, their sense of delayed gratification is so diminished that that really concerns me.

36:55DJ, thanks for that call. You know, we mentioned earlier that three-quarters of teachers say they expect student behavior to be a major challenge this year. That was in the Education Week survey. Jennifer, what are you thinking about in terms of student behavior? DJ taught K-5 students. You're in a high school now. What are you and your colleagues talking about? Yeah, I mean, you know what? I always go back to, this is my 15th year in the classroom, and I always go back to the power of student relationships. I spend the first two weeks building community, getting to know the students, doing different activities, the peaks and valleys to understand the highs and lows in their life.

37:32They do a letter to the teacher where students talk about their strengths and areas of growth. And through this information, I kind of create a chart to understand the students, And it helps me connect and build lessons upon that. So, yeah, while I think there are sometimes, you know, instances of student behavior, I think it's these student relationships that really help when those moments get tough with students. Well, we heard from Peter, who's a former college teacher, and he writes that he is in awe of elementary to high school teachers. We may give grateful lip service to teachers that's meaningless when we don't give them the support they need, both financially and professionally.

38:07Teachers seem to spend as much time parenting as they do teaching. Forget AI and testing and national standards. Parents are the key. Until parents take full responsibility for their children, teachers will continue to emulate Sisyphus, and our children will continue to fall hopelessly behind. Lance, what does that parent-student-teacher engagement structure look like, at least for your classroom, if not for your school or district? No, I mean, that's the bread and butter of molding these students to be their best possible self is the partnership. We're not at odds with each other. Whether the student is flying with 100 in my class or whether they're struggling for academic reasons or for behavioral reasons, with the parent, it's a partnership.

38:52And where we are going to get to the bottom of what's the best way that we can help this kid learn, it comes from that relationship building that Jennifer spoke about. It comes from routines and all of the things that help students learn. Maybe it's managing the distractions in the classroom. And then, of course, saying, hey, at home, we need your support on this as well. Managing distractions, redirections to more productive or positive behaviors. And so it's just constantly being in communication. Even if it's just a quick email, hey, he did great on his test today. Those things can go a long way to long-term success for all of our students.

39:28Let's go to Molly in Blacksburg, Virginia. Now, Molly, you teach higher ed, but you have a question about children and how they should engage with technology. Go ahead. Yes, absolutely. So during COVID, our school district went to a one-to-one model with Chromebooks, and students were taking them home and then bringing them back and doing remote learning. And then that just kind of stayed. And this real heavy presence of technology in the classroom, even for kindergarten students and young students, remained. And there's been a big push, it seems to me, from parents in the community recently to make sure our students are engaging with technology in intentional ways and in helpful ways and not extra and unnecessarily.

40:22And so I'm going to be part of this Chromebook focus group for the district as a parent. And I just wonder if the panel has advice for me on how I can convey the importance of basic skills, like the things we've been talking about so far on the show with writing and reading physical materials, and just how to best talk about that and see what kind of changes we can make in a positive direction within our district. Thanks for that call, Molly. I'll pair you with Kara, who wrote to us from Wisconsin, who says, I think AI and web literacy is really lacking, although very few of my students have computers at home.

41:05When they use our Chromebooks to conduct research, they just grab the Gemini response. When I ask their source, they just say Google, and then I have to explain that Google isn't a source. Since my district doesn't have any curriculum surrounding this, I clearly need to develop my own. And I wanted to share Kara's email there because I think it points out this tension. That's at the heart of much of the conversation around the use of technology. There seems to be an interest in preparing students, no matter the age, to use technology, to know how to navigate it. But there's also a lot of concern about whether leaning too heavily on technology is preventing them from learning other skills.

41:44And so, Jennifer, how is that discussion playing out in your district? And what advice would you have for Molly, who's going to be talking about this and trying to impart some wisdom, give some advice about how teachers should approach this? Yeah, no, it's a great observation. I think one thing, like I mentioned previously, at the elementary level at our district, they're limiting screen time for elementary students to do more hand-based, written pieces. So I think that's a great move towards that because students like kindergartners should engage in play and social interaction. That's so key.

42:17Those are pivotal years of social interaction as a former elementary school teacher. And I think, yeah, some advice she could. I think it's really working collaboratively with the teachers to be like, hey, as a parent, this is my perspective. As a teacher, how can we work together to what's successful for students? Right. And even bringing in students into the into the picture, too. Oftentimes we make these decisions and students are also receiving this learning. So how do we get students involved also to see how they are taking in the technology? Lance, I know this is a discussion you've had a lot in your district, how to use technology responsibly and to the benefit of students.

42:52What are your thoughts? Well, technology has long been encroaching on our industry and our vocation. In my field specifically, it goes all the way back to the calculator and how that was going to ruin students' math abilities, which did or didn't come to pass, depending on who you talk to. If it didn't, it's because we use the calculator as a tool appropriately when we need it. Like Jennifer was talking about, how maybe a lot of the work can be done on the page before the calculator is even available to the student, and then we reach for it. Now sub in AI as the tech of interest for this new age.

43:28How much are we doing? How much of our creativity, our brainstorming is happening before we can even grab that tool? and then how do we grab that tool and how do we use it once we have it available to us. So that's not just whack-a-mole of all of these different things, these techs, these ed tech that's coming into the classroom. We're just going to continue to mold these well-rounded students that know how to cite a source and know how to reach for that tool at the appropriate time through proactive instruction. Lauren, so much of the guidance around the use of AI and other technology, it really happens on a state-by-state basis.

44:00So what does that patchwork approach mean for how much a student's experience is really dependent on where they live? That's exactly what it means. I mean, even within the same state, some districts are being more proactive than others. Right now, you know, across the country, different states are kind of trying to figure out how they want to respond to AI in the classroom. I've seen even kind of wider backlash to education technology just more broadly. You know, so L.A., for example, second largest school district in the country, you know, it was a big deal when they decided to limit screen usage in schools.

44:35A lot of other states are making similar steps. School districts are taking similar steps to kind of limit the amount of screen time that students have in school. But, you know, but these tools, you know, they still exist, obviously. And I think that's kind of where the gap is. Students don't know that AI chatbots exist and they know, you know, they can Google an answer to a question or whatever. But so like that literacy piece is something that I still hear a lot about what is being done to kind of improve the literacy around education use or technology use. Let's get to one more call. We've got Shelby on the line from Texas.

45:08Now, Shelby, you work in early childhood education. Really briefly, what's on your mind? So our early childhood care center is actually within a public school district. And so I just wanted to briefly touch on the importance of early childhood. so infant up through pre-K, in giving those kiddos social-emotional skills, regulation skills, but also that it impacts so many of the other issues that y 'all have talked about, like in growth towards student-teacher relationships and how that can also impact parent-guardian attitudes toward partnership in their kids' education. Shelby, thanks for that call.

45:47And I just want to make sure we don't overlook here, Lauren. There are discussions about cuts to Head Start right now, where does that stand? Because that would affect a great deal of children in the U.S. and their access to early childhood education. Definitely. Still following to see where exactly all of that is going to land. But I mean, that's huge for the youngest learners, the most vulnerable learners. That's where they get a lot of that early education. That's where a lot of students learn English, for example. So if we see that fall out of the Head Start program, that's going to have major consequences.

46:18As we wrap up here, Lance and Jennifer, I just want to give you the last word and just a couple of sentences to the teachers, the educators, the school administrators who are listening right now. What would you say, Jennifer? You know what? Teachers, we love our students. And so just have trust in us in our lessons and, you know, make sure that giving us our flowers. We work really hard every day in the classroom. And Lance, your words? Yeah, I just want to center it right back on the students. as the adage goes, the things that make this profession the hardest is never the kids. It's always all of the myriad things around us, the external threats and the other adults, but the kids are always the best part and they are thriving and they're going to continue to do great.

47:02Well, that's Lance Barish. He's a high school math teacher at Dallas Independent School District. He's also a leading edge fellow with the organization Teach Plus. And Jennifer Lopez, a high school social studies teacher at the Los Angeles Unified School District. She's also on the National Teacher Leader Council. It advises the nonprofit teacher advocacy group, Educators for Excellence, and Lauren Lumpkin, national education reporter for The Washington Post. Thanks to you all, and thanks to all you who called in. We're planning more shows about education, so send us your suggestions. Email us at 1a at wamu.org.

47:34Today's producers were Claire Mufson and Avery Jessa Chapnick. This program comes to you from WAMU, part of American University in Washington, distributed by NPR. I'm Jen White. Thanks for listening. Have a great school year. We'll talk more soon. This is 1A.

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