The Hunger Crisis In Gaza And Beyond

31 Jul 2025 · 43 min · 19 chapters

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In short

The episode examines hunger and “worst-case famine” risk in Gaza and other acute crises, focusing on humanitarian aid delivery, refeeding, and why global attention and funding lag. It cites IPC findings (Gaza not formally declared famine), UN/WHO hunger statistics, and argues that conflict and policy choices—not lack of global food—drive acute starvation.

Guests (backgrounds)

  1. Mark Brawner: American emergency physician; volunteered at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, Gaza for two weeks in June.
  2. Juliet Tuma: UNRWA Director of Communications (Palestinian refugee agency).
  3. Jean-Martin Bauer: WFP Director of Food Security and Nutrition Analysis; author of The New Breadline.
  4. Jake Johnson: researcher/writer at Center for Economic and Policy Research; author of Aid State.

Key claims + notable examples

  • Gaza: “mass casualty starvation event”; children under five at extreme mortality risk (severe acute malnutrition); hospital officials cite 159 hunger-related deaths since Oct 2023. Aid trucks often insufficient (about 3 cubic tons/day vs needs for 2.1M people).
  • Refeeding is high-lethality without ICU-level electrolyte monitoring; infrastructure damage prevents recovery.
  • Gaza aid distribution system (U.S./Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation) causes danger near sites; UN says at least 1,000 killed near food distribution sites in two months.
  • Haiti: 99% of families skipping meals (ActionAid Haiti); WFP shifted school meals from 20% local to 70% local food; ~500,000 children receive hot local meals.
  • Sudan: conflict-driven acute hunger; WFP notes attention gap; diaspora and local soup kitchens help sustain food.
  • U.S. aid cuts/USAID shutdown: WFP relies ~40% on U.S. funds; cuts reduce rations and school meals.
  • Overall: formal famine declaration may not change aid mechanics, but starvation is already occurring; root causes (conflict, political will, access) are central.

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Chapters

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Overview of the Hunger Crisis

0:00 to 1:11

Learn about the current famine scenario in Gaza and its global implications.

“A worst-case famine scenario is unfolding across the Gaza Strip.”

Mark's Journey to Gaza

1:30 to 4:00

Discover the challenging journey Mark faced to reach Gaza amid chaos.

“And we should note this conversation will include potentially graphic details about the effects of starvation.”

The Scale of Malnutrition in Gaza

4:00 to 6:50

Understand the alarming levels of malnutrition and starvation in Gaza.

“So once you arrived at your site, what were you able to understand about the scale of malnutrition in Gaza?”

Children at Extreme Risk

6:50 to 7:28

Learn about the severe acute malnutrition affecting children in Gaza.

“what we call translocate or migrate across the barrier into the abdomen of developing sepsis, which is a systemic inflammatory condition and imminent death under the circumstances.”

Cognitive and Psychological Effects of Starvation

7:28 to 11:30

Explore the profound cognitive and psychological effects of starvation.

“careful care, are still going to ultimately die.”

The Complexities of Refeeding

11:30 to 14:00

Understand the crucial and complex process of refeeding malnourished individuals.

“Mark, let's turn to refeeding for a moment.”

Introduction to the Hunger Crisis

14:00 to 14:57

Discussion on the rising hunger crisis in Gaza and its causes.

“what we do, they're still kind of have a downward trajectory, unfortunately, to death.”

The Impact of U.S. Aid Cuts

15:00 to 18:08

Exploring the consequences of U.S. aid reductions on food security.

“Gaza is far from the only place gripped by mass starvation today.”

Defining Haiti as an Aid State

18:08 to 20:06

Discussion on Haiti's dependence on foreign aid and its implications.

“February about the extent of the country's hunger crisis.”

Reasons for Rising Hunger

20:06 to 22:38

Examining the factors contributing to increased hunger globally.

“Juliette, the IPC has stopped shy of declaring famine in Gaza.”
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Media Attention on Crises

22:38 to 24:22

Why certain humanitarian crises receive less media coverage.

“If enough people are in catastrophe, that becomes a famine.”

Child Malnutrition and Food Insecurity

24:22 to 27:08

The alarming rise in child malnutrition and its implications.

“Yeah, I think it's an excellent question.”

Politics of Foreign Aid

27:08 to 28:06

How foreign aid has been politicized and its effects on food assistance.

“Now, Jake, you alluded to this, but many people think of humanitarian aid as apolitical.”

Food Assistance and Its Impact

28:06 to 29:15

Explore how U.S. food assistance systems affect local farmers and economies.

“And that's because a lot of the food aid that we're sending abroad are being purchased from U.S.”

The Global Food Supply Debate

29:15 to 30:27

Discuss the perception of global food shortages and the political will needed to address hunger.

“Yeah, you know, an aid worker many years ago sort of clarified things for me with a simple statement.”

Localizing Food Aid in Haiti

30:27 to 33:05

Learn about the successful shift to local food sourcing for school meals in Haiti.

“And Jake mentioned this earlier in the interview, resolving acute hunger is about also attacking root causes that are really complex.”

The Aid Crisis in Gaza

33:05 to 35:46

Understand the dangerous conditions surrounding food aid distribution in Gaza.

“in many different points of the country, these programs continue feeding Haiti schoolchildren.”

How to Help in Humanitarian Crises

35:46 to 38:32

Get practical advice on how individuals can support humanitarian efforts effectively.

“Well, I want to get to these messages we're getting.”

Grassroots Solutions to Food Insecurity

38:32 to 41:08

Examine the role of grassroots organizations and local communities in addressing hunger.

“of the 307 million people it expects will need humanitarian aid this year.”
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Transcript

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0:07A worst-case famine scenario is unfolding across the Gaza Strip. That's the latest finding from the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or IPC. The U.N.-affiliated organization tracks food security worldwide. Still, it stops short of a formal declaration of famine in the region. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Trump have splintered on the issue of starvation. There is no policy of starvation in Gaza, and there is no starvation in Gaza. Some of those kids are, that's real starvation stuff. I see it. And you can't fake that. Elsewhere in the world, most of Haiti's population is experiencing critical levels of food insecurity.

0:51That's when people don't have access to enough safe and nutritious food for normal growth and development. And in Sudan, famine grips tens of millions of people. The starvation in Gaza is reawakening global attention to hunger crises unfolding around the world. Today, we examine how humanitarian aid factors into the equation. After the break, we start our conversation with someone who's witnessed the effects of Israel's mass starvation of Gaza up close. Mark Brawner is an American emergency physician. He volunteered at a hospital in the Gaza Strip for two weeks in June. He joins us from Eugene, Oregon, and tells us about his experience.

1:28I'm Jen White. You're listening to the 1A Podcast. Stay with us. We've got a lot to get to.

1:38Mark, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, Jen. And we should note this conversation will include potentially graphic details about the effects of starvation. Now, you and several other doctors volunteered at Nasser Hospital in Kanunis. That's in the southern part of the Gaza Strip. What was the journey like to get there? It was very surreal. We initially met in Jordan and proceeded to the Hussein, King Hussein Crossing. where we essentially met just legions and battalions of people, mostly families trying to get into Gaza or into Israel, and really had to jockey through enormous crowds to make it through finally getting on a bus and then to the Israeli border, where we met with a UN convoy and had an IDF lead through Israel, finally arriving at the northern border just below south of Tel Aviv.

2:41And, you know, when we got there, it was late, and there were these giant gates. It was kind of like a Star Wars set where they slowly opened. Our convoy went through and met at a parking lot where we exchanged vehicles, and we had to wait a few hours and walk across a parking lot with just lights blinding us intentionally so we really couldn't see arriving at a UN convoy and then where we had to wait a few more hours and then we slowly, we got a green light from the IDF, meaning that they would give us a window of opportunity to drive from the parking lot in the northern part of gaza to southern gaza without being bombed and so they give us a very short window of opportunity and so it was really frightening uh process um but the company that i uh went with the ngo Rakhma worldwide.

3:47They have a long history of getting people into Gaza. I was on the 36th mission to Gaza, so they had the process worked out pretty well, but very, very surreal and frightening. So once you arrived at your site, what were you able to understand about the scale of malnutrition in Gaza? Well, you know, I was prepared for the trauma, you know, the explosions and the gunshot wounds and the unstable patients. But what I didn't realize is that this was a mass casualty starvation event at the same time. That was shocking. It was systemic and pervasive and very clear from the moment that we got there. Even people who are working for NGOs or healthcare providers that are given one small meal a day are still very underweight.

4:56And then when we started taking care of the patients, many of them are skeletal and where you can see the rib prominences, There's lots of body fat, you know, wasting people with so much muscle loss that they are walking with, you know, ataxia, which means that they're barely keeping themselves erect. They're falling all over the place. It is just truly shocking. As of today, at least 159 people have died from hunger related causes since October 2023. That's according to hospital officials in Gaza. Most of those deaths occurred in the last several weeks. Now, you say that thousands of children in the region are experiencing levels of malnutrition far beyond the point of recovery.

5:49From a medical perspective, what does that mean for these children? Well, this is most significant in children under five where the severe acute malnutrition or SAM category puts them at extremely high risk for mortality. So we're seeing probably about 20 % of the children in that age category are meeting the SAM one, 15 to 20 % are meeting the SAM five category and there gets to be becomes a point where physiologically there's no return when the body is so wasted and depleted and they have developed such a neuro hormonal dysregulation that they're not able to absorb nutrients or even water anymore where the body completely collapses where the immune system is essentially gone, where bacteria that are in the gut, what we call translocate or migrate across the barrier into the abdomen of developing sepsis, which is a systemic inflammatory condition and imminent death under the circumstances.

7:08And we're seeing this. So this population under the five is at extreme risk. And the issue is that we're seeing the number of deaths from malnutrition climb, I should say starvation, climb month by month. But I think we're all going to be very shocked by the numbers for September, October, and November because so many children have really crossed that barrier where it's going, even with extreme medical careful care, are still going to ultimately die. You mentioned the physical effects, but Mark, what about the cognitive effects of starvation and malnutrition, both for children and adults? Yeah, I think that's really one of the things that was most shocking to me and really sad because it really, you know, tears apart the family unit, but it really starts, you know, at really young age.

8:13So some of the people that are the highest risk are mothers and children. So infants that are born to mothers that are under starvation conditions, their cortisol levels, their stress levels are so high, their calorie intake is so low that they're unable to produce breast milk. So that initial colostrum, the very first amount of milk that really sets the metabolic stage and the connection between the mother and the child is gone right off the bat. And then in the first six months, milk goes way beyond just nutrition. It really emotionally ties the mother and child together with prolactin levels and oxytocin, really creating a connection between mother and child.

9:11And that's gone in a lot of patients. And it certainly has a metabolic programming issue and increases obesity and diabetes and, you know, increases mortality, morbidity over the course of their life. But more importantly, it disrupts, you know, the bond between the mother and child, creates apathy, increases postpartum depression. and this is like a really untold effect of starvation in this connection between mother and child and it's really profound. But children, especially under the age of five, this is a point where there's all kinds of neurohormonal development leading to long-term cognitive dysfunction.

10:04Some of it is reversible if they can get enough folate and vitamin B and nutrition. But a lot of these children are going to end up having long-term cognitive deficits that are really irreversible. And it's true, too, as we age on the other side of the spectrum, older adults, they experience the same issue. They develop cognitive impairment, really poor concentration. They get osteopenia, so their bones are brittle. They're at high risk for falling. So we see, you know, hip in among the, all of the trauma that we see hip fractures in older people. It mimics, you know, you know, depression, amplifies depression.

10:50There's, you know, lots of delirium that we see in every age group, which is a reversible, you know, state of altered mental status. And, you know, people are, you know, on, you know, incapable of even making simple decisions. You know, their family members are standing in the trauma bay. You know, they're mourning, they're in grief, and they're wailing, but, you know, they don't know what to do. They are simply, like, stumbling around, sometimes, you know, not able to speak. So this is, like, the psychological effect of the starvation is, you know, really profound. Mark, let's turn to refeeding for a moment.

11:32This is the process of reintroducing nutrition to a person who's been severely malnourished. Now, we don't know if refeeding will happen on a massive scale, given Israel's ongoing blockade. But what could happen if refeeding occurs? Well, yes, refeeding is a very tenuous process. It requires ICU-level support, really, or advanced medical support. What happens is when you have had such depleted calorie consumption, when that restarts, the carbohydrate level goes up, sugar level goes up in the blood, causing a spike of insulin, which then drives a lot of important electrolytes like potassium and magnesium into the cell, depleting the amount of electrolytes circulating in the blood which causes arrhythmias or irregular heart rhythms and can put people into cardiac arrest so there's very high lethality with the process itself and it has to be done under extremely controlled environments so you know you need to check electrolyte levels in the blood two to three times a day it requires you know very careful feeding and each each individual has to have like an individualized plan so it's very tough there were a few places small places in in palestine and gaza where this was occurring but you know right now the the number of places are dwindling and um the uh the it is not an easy process so uh so many of the people that would benefit from you know controlled medical refeeding, we'll never receive it.

13:19So what I hear you saying is that it's a complicated process. It needs to have medical oversight, but we also have seen reports about Gaza's health infrastructure and how it's been decimated. So from what you've seen, are many people in Gaza able to return to full health, even if aid comes swiftly? No, not at all. So this is like a, it's kind of like a radiation injury. You know, you get the initial acute injury, but then there's a slow burn. And that's what the problem is now is that so many people have crossed that threshold where no matter what we do, they're still kind of have a downward trajectory, unfortunately, to death.

14:07And so the the numbers are no doubt going to climb over the next several months. And, you know, while that is absolutely tragic and man-made, you know, still it's a call for immediate change in policy and getting food in. Like you said, we're getting 100 trucks in a day here and there. But, you know, most days they're only getting in about three cubic tons, which is less than one half of 1 % of the necessary food for the 2.1 million people. So yeah, things are looking grim for the fall, for sure. That's Mark Bronner. He's an Oregon-based emergency physician who volunteered at a hospital in the Gaza Strip for two weeks in June.

14:53Mark, thank you so much for speaking with us. You're welcome, Shane. We'll be back with more in a moment. Stay with us.

15:04Gaza is far from the only place gripped by mass starvation today. In Sudan, more than 24 million people are acutely food insecure. That's about half the country's population. And of those 24 million, the World Food Program says more than 637 ,000 people in Sudan are facing catastrophic levels of hunger. In Haiti, an April report from the IPC found that a record 5.7 million people, or more than half of Haiti's population, were projected to experience acute food insecurity through June. As the U.S. scales back its humanitarian aid under the second Trump administration, what will that mean for countries that rely on foreign aid to address their growing hunger crises?

15:47Joining us now to discuss from Amman Jordan is Juliet Tuma. She's the Director of Communications at the United Nations Relief and Works Agencies for Palestinians. Juliet, Welcome back to the program. Thanks for having me. Nice to be here. Also with us is Jean-Martin Bauer. He's the director of the World Food Program, Food Security and Nutrition Analysis Service. He's also the author of The New Breadline, Hunger and Hope in the 21st Century. Jean-Martin, welcome. Hi. And Jake Johnson. He's a researcher and writer at the Center for Economic and Policy Research. He's also the author of Aid State, Elite Panic, Disaster Capitalism, and the Battle to Control Haiti.

16:27Jake, welcome back to the program. Thanks for having me. So earlier this year, the Trump administration shut down the United States Agency for International Development, or USAID. Before it was gutted, the agency distributed billions of dollars of life-saving foreign aid, disaster relief, economic development funding for nations around the world. John Martin, what effects has the shuttering of U.S. aid had on food-insecure countries that relied heavily on U.S.-funded aid? There's been quite an impact. I need to clarify that there are also a lot of other donors that have curtailed their aid budgets at the same time.

17:00So unfortunately, an agency like WFP, which relies 40 % on U.S. funds, is also facing cuts from its other major donors in Europe and elsewhere. That means it's a perfect storm. That means in some countries, rations are being cut for people who are extremely vulnerable to food insecurity. That means that people are being taken off programs. It means that programs like school meals programs are no longer covering as many children. And this is a huge problem at a time when needs for food assistance haven't been higher. Before the pandemic, we had about 135 million people who were acutely food insecure worldwide.

17:36According to the UN, published a report just about a month ago, that's up to 300 million. So these cuts are happening right when levels of vulnerability are at a very high level. I want to get into some of the reasons driving that vulnerability and why countries have withdrawn support. But, Jake, in February, you wrote that since October 2023, USAID allocated$368 million in contracts and grants for Haiti. Here's what Angeline Anastas, the director of the charity ActionAids Haiti, told France 24 in February about the extent of the country's hunger crisis. Now we are talking about a very deep crisis where the population is on the break of starvation.

18:20In our survey taking place in the south of Haiti, so we found out that 99 % of families are skipping meals, going days without food. And of course, this situation put the population and particularly the children at at health complications and malnutrition. Now, Jake, in your book, you make the case that Haiti is an AIDS state. First, define that term. Yeah, sure. Well, I think, you know, to really push back on this concept of Haiti as a failed state and noting that, you know, really decades of policies, not just humanitarian assistance, but sort of political interventionism and foreign policies from other countries have shaped the current Haitian state as much as the Haitian people themselves.

19:09And that plays a key role in the reduced capacity of a state, the lack of legitimacy in the state that I think are really driving factors of the hunger and the insecurity that we're seeing in Haiti today. So what parallels, if any, do you see between Haiti's dependence on foreign aid and the hunger crises in Gaza and Sudan? man you know i think you know the first thing comes to mind and this is a point that john martin makes in his book as well is that these are not uh famines uh hunger crises as a result of natural disasters as a result strictly of poverty this is conflict right these are um you know wars genocide in gods's case and haiti's case civil conflict that is causing hunger and we're focusing on the humanitarian aspect it's obviously important we want to get as much humanitarian assistance and life-saving assistance in there as possible.

19:58But we also have to be paying attention to the root causes that is actually driving these crises and working to end the conflict, which will obviously save tremendous lives as well. Juliette, the IPC has stopped shy of declaring famine in Gaza. Instead, the panel predicts widespread death without immediate action on Israel's part to end the blockade. How, if at all, does a formal declaration of famine change the nature of resources that governments or humanitarian groups allocate to address a crisis? Yeah, look, I'm not sure that there is a difference. The fact of the matter is that people are starving in Gaza.

20:39They're very hungry. When we speak to our staff and their staff in Gaza, they themselves are hungry. Some of them are fainting in the line of duty. Some of them are walking for miles on end before finding like a bag of lentils that they can make some soup for them and their families. The caretakers in Gaza are now in need of care. An estimated 8.2 % of the world's population or about 673 million people experienced hunger in 2024. It's down slightly from 2023 and 2022, according to the UN State of Food Security and Nutrition in the World Report. But not every region saw hunger decline. The World Health Organization says the number of people experiencing hunger rose in most subregions of Africa and Western Asia last year.

21:34Jean-Martin, what are some of the main reasons we're seeing hunger drop in some parts of the world but not others? The reason why hunger is increasing in Western Asia and in Africa is conflict. So what we do need to make the distinction between different types of hunger. To be really clear, the numbers you mentioned from the State of Food and Security report, that's about chronic hunger. That's hunger that stunts. What we're talking about in places like Gaza, Sudan, and Haiti, it's acute hunger. Hunger that taken to its extreme can kill. What we're seeing for chronic hunger is a stabilization, an increase in some areas.

22:09often due to the fragility of the environments that they're taking place in anti-conflict. And acute hunger, that's really been the geopolitical tensions that have been around for the past few years. What we're seeing is that the most extreme forms of hunger are rising. There were about 80 ,000 people in the highest form of hunger, which is the fifth phase of the IPC. You talked about the IPC system. It's the international system we use to rate hunger. It's it's a five-point scale, one being food secure, two stress, three crisis, four emergency, and five a catastrophe. If enough people are in catastrophe, that becomes a famine.

22:47There were about 80 ,000 people in phase five before the pandemic. We ended last year with 1.9 million, essentially in Sudan and in Gaza. That shows that what's going on is that these conflicts create tremendous barriers for the people on the ground, for the civilians on the ground for the humanitarians who try to support them, and that this is a problem that's not under control currently. That's why we're seeing these increases. Well, last fall, we discussed why Sudan's humanitarian crisis hasn't received as much attention as other crises around the world. Arif Hussain is chief economist at the United Nations World Food Program, and here's what he told us about the attention gap.

23:23I started this humanitarian work back in 2003-04 in Sudan. My The first humanitarian crisis, if you will, was the Darfur crisis. And at that time, it was the biggest crisis in the world. And it didn't matter where you were in the world, it was everybody knew about it. And everybody wanted to do something. People like George Clooney, others were out there talking about this. Right now, we probably have a situation that's a lot worse than that, 20 years down the road. And there's just no traction. There's just not enough going on. And I think that's a big problem. Jake, I'd love your thoughts on why crises like what we're seeing in Sudan, like what we're seeing in Haiti, haven't gotten traction in the public sphere.

24:22Yeah, I think it's an excellent question. I think part of it is we see this and they last and it goes on and on. And it's like, oh, OK, I've seen this story before. And I think there's another part of this, which is delivering humanitarian assistance is actually relatively easy. I mean, there are plenty of barriers, funding, things like this that we can talk about, but it's an easy solution. It's not addressing, like I mentioned earlier, these root causes. And then we begin to confront what it actually takes to address those root causes. And that means addressing much bigger issues, bigger issues of U.S.

24:54foreign policy, as in our support for Israel and its ongoing genocide, etc., our support for other allies that are feeding the conflict in Sudan, our support for certain actors in Haiti, right? And confronting those things is a much more challenging thing. It's much more difficult. And I think that's often where these efforts sort of run out of steam. And so we see the sort of perpetual cycles of humanitarian interventions. But again, they're continuing because we're unable or unwilling to confront these bigger issues. Well, while global hunger is declining, when we look at acute food insecurity and child malnutrition, they actually rose for a sixth consecutive year in 2024.

25:32I want to refer here to some data from the 2025 Global Report on Food Crises. It says that more than 295 million people across 53 countries and territories experienced acute food insecurity in 2024. Juliette, what does this increase in child malnutrition signal to you that this very critical level of food insecurity is growing among the youngest and most vulnerable? Yeah, look, when it comes to Gaza, that was a first and a critical indicator for us when those babies who come to the agency's clinics and our doctors would screen them against malnutrition. and the numbers kept rising every single day, especially in the past few months, and especially since the Israeli authorities imposed this siege on the Gaza Strip and very, very little food was coming in.

26:35For us at UNRWA, for example, we've got 6 ,000 trucks that are loaded with food and with medicine and with nutrition supplies for babies that we've been banned from bringing into Gaza. And right now, our teams in northern Gaza, they report a daily increase in the number of malnourished children. And the latest is one in five kids in Gaza has malnutrition in the northern part. Let's head to a quick break. We'll be back with more in a moment. Stay with us.

27:17Now, Jake, you alluded to this, but many people think of humanitarian aid as apolitical. Your book, Aid States, suggests otherwise. How has foreign aid become a tool of influence or control between different countries? Yeah, well, I don't think it's something that has sort of happened over time. This is sort of from its inception. Foreign assistance and U.S. foreign assistance has always been political. And this isn't sort of a conspiracy or fringe. I mean, it says it right on the website. And I'm not sure USAID's website even exists anymore, but it did at least before it was dismantled. Right.

27:48And so, you know, this is part and parcel of assistance. And it's not just in terms of who gets aid, but also how we actually deliver it. Right. So, for example, with food assistance and U.S. food assistance specifically, historically, what is determining the levels of U.S. food assistance, there's been a number of studies on this, is not actually necessarily the needs on the ground, but what the result of that year's crops were in the United States. And that's because a lot of the food aid that we're sending abroad are being purchased from U.S. farmers, a sort of de facto subsidy for U.S. agricultural producers.

28:22And so we've sort of created a system that has baked all of these interests in together, and they're often in direct conflict. And we've seen that sort of play out in various ways. But certainly food assistance has played a historically really problematic role in undermining local farmers in Haiti, for example. And I will give Jean-Martin credit as when he was at WFP and running some of these programs, they massively increased the amount of locally produced and locally sourced food aid in Haiti. And that has a big impact, not just on those in need, but also in the rest of the economy writ large.

28:58Well, I want to circle back to something Juliet mentioned, which is the thousands of truckloads of aid just outside of Gaza sitting unused. In some cases, the food and supplies are expiring, but this is aid that's already been purchased, Jake. So who benefits regardless of whether that aid is actually distributed? Yeah, you know, an aid worker many years ago sort of clarified things for me with a simple statement. And he said, you know, the success of a program is not delivering something. It's spending the money. Right. And so when I look at this, right, in terms of U.S. interest, simply purchasing the money from U.S.

29:32farmers has satisfied a certain interest. What happens to it after that fact, how effectively it is delivered and things like that are, quite frankly, less important to those who are setting these budgets and determining these things in Washington. We got this from Elizabeth, who says, I've heard in conversation with various people that they are under the impression that there is not enough food or resources to feed everyone in the world. I'm under the impression that our world has enough money and resources to feed everyone. But what we are lacking is the political will, the appropriate distribution of resources, and the ability to get into places with conflict.

30:07Is my impression correct? Do we have the resources to feed everyone, but we have simply not managed to put the pieces in place? Jean-Martin, I'll come to you first. That's absolutely right. We have enough food in the world to feed everyone. It's a truism that is true. What's missing is addressing the inequalities. It's the systems to reach the most vulnerable. And Jake mentioned this earlier in the interview, resolving acute hunger is about also attacking root causes that are really complex. It can be conflict. It can be deep-rooted discrimination in a society. The most exposed to acute food insecurity are women, are ethnic minorities, religious groups that are in the minority that might be under oppression.

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30:53So hunger is a mirror to ourselves. And the reason why it's complicated to resolve, it's not because the food's lacking. It's because the systems aren't in place politically or otherwise to support the population. So what we need to get to is a place where everyone has access to the bountiful resources we have. Well, you've also been part of aid initiatives at the World Food Program. And this is something Jake alluded to. You say you've successfully involved members of the local community to create more sustainable solutions to hunger. How? Look, one of the big achievements in Haiti while I was there, which was from 22 to 24, was shortening the supply chain for school meals program.

31:38And I'll explain. The way school meals used to work in Haiti was that a boat would show up in Port-au-Prince from the U.S. or from another donor. and the food would be trucked to schools in remote areas of the country and that food would be cooked for children. It's a very important program. It's the largest safety net in Haiti. What we were able to do over the past few years in Haiti is shift from imported food to local food. We shifted the supply chain and we went from 20 % local to 70 % local in just three years. Today, 70 % of the school meals program in Haiti, it's food that has been grown, cultivated, harvested in Haiti.

32:17And that means that thousands of Haitian farmers have a chance to grow food and to earn income by selling their food to the school meals program. It means that local Haitian school children get a much more diverse set of foods in their school meals program instead of getting rice and beans. Well, they'll get fresh vegetables. They'll get foods that they see grown in their in their vicinity. This is extremely important in a context like Haiti's, where the country's in its sixth year of recession. You need aid to support the local economy, to support the grassroots. And I have to say, if we hadn't shortened supply chains, we would have been in big trouble, because in Haiti, the port is routinely closed down by the armed groups.

32:56The airport has been closed for a very long time. If we were to use the old way of doing things, food wouldn't even get out of border prints. By localizing and shortening the supply chain, by working with local farmers in many different points of the country, these programs continue feeding Haiti schoolchildren. And right now, approximately a half million Haitian schoolchildren have a hot local hot meal in this way. And that's a great achievement. Juliette, the picture is different in Gaza. Israeli troops have killed more than 1 ,000 Palestinians in recent weeks near food distribution sites. That's according to the UN Human Rights Office.

33:32And most of these deaths happen near the four aid sites of the newly created U.S. and Israel-backed group Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. How has the process of receiving aid, the small amount Israel is allowing through, become dangerous for Palestinians in Gaza and aid workers as well? Yeah, it's this organization that was put in place that we think is absolutely unnecessary, given there is a system in place in Gaza that was known to be the place to distribute much-needed humanitarian supplies and aid to people. And that's the system that is managed by the United Nations, including India. 400 sides of a distribution, not only of food, by the way, but also other basic supplies.

34:23we continue to say that the people of Gaza, they've lost everything, they need everything. So we distributed medicines, we distributed hygiene supplies, and of course, food and clean water. And this scam of a system that was put in place with the support of the governments of Israel and the United States is taking more lives than saving lives. People have to walk for miles on end before they get to these sites that we understand are very far away from where most people are now living in Gaza. And so there is an element there of forced displacement of people. And there is quite a lot of humiliation because of the way the aid is given or the food is rather given.

35:13We've seen footage of food thrown at people. People have to fight for a little amount of food and then walk all the way back and all of that. So it creates chaos. It's very undignified. And it puts the lives of starving people at risk. And you're absolutely right. The United Nations has verified that at least 1 ,000 people have been killed only in the past two months since this system was put in place. We've never had any of that when the United Nations was in charge of a distribution in Gaza. Well, I want to get to these messages we're getting. Marianne in Boston says, I've been involved with organizations such as Rise Against Hunger and was wondering if you could recommend other reputable nonprofit organizations that people can participate in to help support this humanitarian crisis.

36:07Mary emails, we contact our politicians, but some don't want to see this as a genocide. How can we help as we feel horrified and helpless? Jean-Martin, we're getting lots of questions along these lines. Any guidance? Well, the first thing I would tell to listeners who would like to help in Gaza, send cash, not stuff. This is one of the big difference makers. Cash gets instantly into the hand of the organization you're trying to help because it's usable immediately. The systems to provide cash are in place, and that's how you'd be able to have the best impact. So number one, cash, not stuff. Juliette, any guidance for people who want to help with this crisis or any other?

36:50Oh, yeah. First of all, continue to speak to what is happening to the people of Gaza. Continue to speak to the atrocities. Continue to try and bring an end to this horror show that has been ongoing for two years.

37:13Israelis, Palestinians get some respite after so much suffering over the past 660 days for the hostages to be released, for aid to flow in, and finally for lifting the restrictions on the United Nations, including UNRWA, the largest humanitarian organization in the war-torn enclave. All we're asking for is let us do our jobs. And Jake, what would you add? Jane asked specifically, what can the average American do to help the hunger crises? Any thoughts? Yeah, sure, of course. I mean, I think one on sort of specific entities to support is do your homework, right? I mean, don't take the easiest one.

37:55You know, often you can sort of text this number, give some money and feel okay. But to do your homework, look at what organizations are partnering with local groups that are really trying to do it right and support those efforts. And the other thing I'd say to echo this is to call your member. OK, I think, you know, change can happen. We need more pressure all the time, not just on Gaza, but also on Haiti. There's U.S. guns flowing to Haiti that is exacerbating the crisis there. We need to pressure lawmakers to address the root causes of these conflicts and to end these conflicts, because the fact of the matter is the U.S.

38:27government does have a direct role to play in stoking the conflict. This year, the United Nations projects that at best it can raise enough money to help about 60 percent of the 307 million people it expects will need humanitarian aid this year. And that gap will leave a projected 117 million people without UN assistance. Last year, the UN's second year in a row, they had a donor shortfall of billions of dollars. Jean-Martin, the data paints a clear picture. Entities like the UN cannot meet the need for humanitarian aid globally. So what role, if any, do foreign governments play in filling this gap in humanitarian assistance?

39:06Or are there other entities that need to step in? I think we're seeing that governments all over the world are tapped out. We're seeing public opinions in Western countries turn away from crises in distant lands. The world has shrunk in many parts of the West. What's important is to see what else is there. I mean, in the case of Haiti, there's a vibrant diaspora that contributes more than$3 billion each year to Haiti. It's Haiti's GDP is a little over$20 billion. So it's a significant impact. This is a group that could step in to ensure that folks survive. And you need to understand that these transfers from the Haitian diaspora, 80 % in the U.S., that dwarfs humanitarian aid to Haiti.

39:54Foreign aid to Haiti is about a billion dollars. So we need to acknowledge the important role that these groups play. um now the other groups might be uh uh there to see the question is who else could fill the gap um there might be um the governments themselves uh in the case of haiti again they're the number two uh donor for the world food program in haiti the haitian government uh and that means that uh um that could be a very different conversation when a humanitarian agency sits down with the government to plan assistance. It's much more aligned with the local interests. For instance, these local programs that support the grassroots, the food producers of Haiti, that's easier to get done with the Haitian government than an entity outside.

40:42So I would keep an eye on those two factors, the diaspora and also the governments themselves. And for Sudan? In the case of Sudan, I've also heard from my Sudanese colleagues that the Sudanese diaspora has been very active. And interestingly, they're the ones who've kept Karp Tum fed during the worst times. The local soup kitchens were being run by Sudanese organizations. So it goes back to seeing what is the scope for these grassroots? How can we support grassroots organizations in places like Sudan, like Gaza, like Haiti? How do we enable small farmers to produce more food? How do we enable the corner stores, the market women, local aid organizations to come together to feed their own?

41:23Doing so, it's not only cheaper, it's also more effective. We've seen impact all the time by these local groups that come together. Well, we'll leave the conversation there for now. That's Jean-Martin Bauer. He's the director of the World Food Program, Food Security and Nutrition Analysis Service. He's also author of The New Bread Line, Hunger and Hope in the 21st Century. Also with us today, Juliet Tuma. She's the director of communications at the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinians. And Jake Johnston. He's a researcher and writer at the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

41:54He's also the author of Aid State, Elite Panic, Disaster Capitalism, and the Battle to Control Haiti. Thanks to you all. Today's producer was Lauren Hamilton. This program comes to you from WAMU, part of American University in Washington, distributed by NPR. I'm Jen White. We'll talk more soon. This is 1A.

42:20Thank you.

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Experts say a "worst-case" famine scenario is unfolding across the Gaza Strip.

That's according to a new report published this week by a U.N.-backed commission that tracks food security worldwide.

The starvation in Gaza is reawakening global attention to hunger crises unfolding around the world.

Elsewhere in the world: most of Haiti's population is experiencing critical levels of food insecurity. That's when people don't have access to enough safe and nutritious food for normal growth and development. And in Sudan, famine grips tens of millions of people.

We examine how humanitarian aid factors into the equation.

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