The News Roundup for August 7, 2026

7 Aug 2026 · 1 h 26 min · 34 chapters

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U.S. and international news roundup (Aug 7, 2026). Main U.S. focus: Michigan Democratic Senate primary (Abdul El-Sayed vs. Haley Stevens), Republican primaries and scandals, contempt vote for Anthony Fauci, Trump’s messaging on affordability/economy, SNAP and jobs claims, labor market/job report, Todd Blanche confirmation fight, and Reuters reporting that Iran war has depleted U.S. long-range missile stockpiles. International focus: proposed Iran-Oman deal affecting Strait of Hormuz shipping; immigration misinformation crisis in Spain; and related missile/war decision-making.

Guests (backgrounds)

  • Arthur Delaney (HuffPost senior reporter covering Congress).
  • Taylor Poplar (Spectrum News White House national political reporter).
  • Courtney Subramanian (Bloomberg White House correspondent).
  • Zoe Clark (Michigan Public political director, reporting from Ann Arbor).
  • Jack Datch (Politico defense reporter).
  • Andrew Roth (The Guardian global affairs correspondent; reported from occupied West Bank).
  • Akbar Shahid Ahmed (diplomatic correspondent at The New York? outlet “Notice”; author of Crossing the Red Line).

Key claims & examples

  • Michigan primary was “contentious/vicious,” decided by <20,000 votes; $60M spent for Stevens; AIPAC backed Stevens; El-Sayed won narrowly (1 point).
  • Progressive vs centrist Democratic divide; DSA-linked energy vs establishment pivot; example: Bernie Sanders “generate excitement” quote.
  • Republicans: Trump-backed wins in Kansas/Washington/Michigan; Max Miller (Ohio) accused of domestic/child abuse; Chuck Edwards (NC) stepped down amid House Ethics allegations.
  • Senate Homeland Security committee voted to hold Fauci in contempt; Biden pardoned Fauci before leaving; procedural recommendation to U.S. attorney.
  • Reuters: nearly all highly accurate long-range missiles used in last five months; administration disputes shortage.
  • FDA approved Moderna’s first mRNA flu vaccine for adults 50+; HHS RFK Jr. previously criticized mRNA.
  • International: Oman-Iran Strait of Hormuz shipping corridors with possible Iranian tolls (3–7% cited), seen as major U.S. concession.

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Michigan Senate Primary Overview

0:45 to 3:15

Discussion on Abdul El-Sayed's victory in the Democratic primary.

“That was Abdul El-Sayed, who this week won the heated Democratic Senate primary in Michigan.”

Implications of El-Sayed's Win

3:15 to 6:15

Panelists analyze the national significance of El-Sayed's primary victory.

“But first, I just want to ask you about what role money played in the outcome of this election, the most expensive Democratic Senate primary in U.S.”

Voter Sentiments and Divides

6:15 to 9:10

Panelists discuss voter feelings post-primary and internal party divides.

“So Taylor, as we are seeing these different wings of the Democratic Party put on full display, as we get to the national election, do we have a sense of if the party is as divided nationally as this result would suggest?”

Messaging for November Elections

9:10 to 11:28

The panel explores how candidates should tailor their messages ahead of the general election.

“is that you have to generate excitement.”

Progressive vs. Establishment Dynamics

12:36 to 14:01

Panel discussion on the clash between progressive and establishment Democrats.

“Jay Edwards from Norman, Oklahoma writes, I'm not sure that Bernie is right about needing to generate excitement to win.”

Rise of DSA Movement and Kamala Harris

14:01 to 15:02

Discussion on the DSA movement's impact and Kamala Harris's role in the Democratic primaries.

“Some of them will do it publicly, but behind closed doors, a lot of them will roll their eyes at the idea of the rise of the DSA movement.”

Republican Primaries and Trump's Influence

15:04 to 16:56

Analysis of Trump-backed candidates in recent primaries and his continued grip on the party.

“Courtney, we saw the continuation of a trend this week with Trump-backed candidates winning in Kansas, Washington State, and Michigan.”

Max Miller's Controversy

16:57 to 19:46

Exploration of allegations against Max Miller and its implications for the Ohio GOP.

“This week, Republicans found themselves having a Graham Plattner-esque problem.”

Trump's Role in Miller's Decision

19:47 to 21:13

Discussion on how Trump's support affects Max Miller's campaign amidst controversy.

“Tim Sheehy from Montana, a Republican, called him a degenerate sociopath.”

Chuck Edwards Steps Down

21:14 to 22:08

Overview of Chuck Edwards's resignation amid House Ethics Committee investigations.

“leaving another scramble ahead of the midterms.”
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Fauci's Contempt Charge

22:12 to 25:04

Analysis of the Senate Homeland Security Committee's contempt charge against Dr. Fauci.

“On Thursday, the Senate Homeland Security Committee voted along party lines to hold Dr.”

Trump's Economic Messaging in the West

25:05 to 28:00

Review of Trump's recent trip to California and Nevada focusing on the economy.

“So they're saying this is truly, in other terms, a witch hunt because the senator has made clear his goal is to get Fauci behind bars.”

Examining Job Trends and SNAP Participation

28:00 to 29:10

Discussion on the implications of President Trump's statements regarding jobs and food stamp participation.

“out for and asking for to take home, you know, while they're campaigning ahead of November.”

Labor Market Insights and Job Reports

30:24 to 33:20

Analysis of the latest Labor Department job report and its implications for the economy.

“Courtney, I want to ask you about the Labor Department's job report this morning.”

Todd Blanche's Senate Confirmation Challenge

33:20 to 36:51

Overview of the hurdles faced by Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche in the Senate confirmation process.

“It's like Todd Blanch gave the guy a bag of money with a dollar sign on it.”

U.S. Military Readiness and Missile Stockpiles

36:51 to 39:18

Discussion on the implications of the Iran war on U.S. military capabilities and missile stockpiles.

“missile stockpiles, according to Reuters.”

FDA Approves mRNA Flu Vaccine

39:18 to 41:18

Insights into the approval of the mRNA flu vaccine and its significance amid criticism.

“The FDA on Wednesday approved the first mRNA flu vaccine.”

Legal Developments on Temporary Protected Status

41:18 to 42:01

Latest updates on the legal status of TPS for Haitians and associated challenges.

“On Wednesday, a federal judge lifted a ban allowing the Trump administration to officially end TPS for 350 ,000 Haitians after a Supreme Court ruling in June.”

Updates on TPS, Birthright Citizenship, and Todd Blanche

42:01 to 44:41

Learn about the implications of recent executive orders on birthright citizenship and the confirmation of Todd Blanche as attorney general.

“State Department says Haiti is too dangerous to travel to.”

Administration's AI Safety Framework

44:41 to 45:03

Discover the administration's AI safety framework and its implications on technology and safety.

“When we come back after the break, we'll have a new panel and all the news from around the globe.”

Proposed Iran-Oman Deal and U.S. Involvement

46:50 to 49:52

Examine the proposed deal between Iran and Oman regarding the Strait of Hormuz and its implications for U.S. involvement.

“In this week's messaging from the president, here he is speaking to Fox News on Tuesday.”

U.S. Leverage and Military Options

49:52 to 52:17

Analyze the current state of U.S. leverage and military options in the context of negotiations with Iran.

“we should be taking a considerable amount of the money that's moving to the strait and that should be taken by us.”

Global Allies' Perspectives on the Conflict

52:17 to 55:43

Explore how global allies, particularly in Europe and Asia, view the U.S. involvement in the Iran conflict.

“Andrew, can I just ask if we think about what leverage does the U.S.”

Israeli Settler Violence Against Palestinians

55:43 to 56:06

Investigate the rise of settler violence in the West Bank and the challenges of legal accountability.

“They're not they were not seeing any evidence of a kind of greater U.S.-led order as a result of the Iran war.”

Violence Against Palestinians in the West Bank

56:06 to 1:01:06

Learn about the recent violence against Palestinians and the implications of Israeli policies.

“On Thursday, Israel charged an Israeli settler with reckless manslaughter over the shooting death of Palestinian activist Aude Hathalin.”

The Situation in Gaza and Trump's Plan

1:01:06 to 1:06:01

Explore the complexities of Trump's peace plan for Gaza and the current status of Hamas disarmament.

“Last week, the Trump-created Board of Peace unveiled a plan for Gaza that would include the disarming of Hamas.”

Migration Crisis at the Spain-Morocco Border

1:06:01 to 1:10:03

Discuss the recent surge in migrants at the Spanish border and the political implications for Spain and the EU.

“70 ,000 migrants from the African continent hoping to get into Europe crossed the border between Morocco and two tiny Spanish territories in North Africa.”

The Evolving Migration Crisis in Europe

1:10:03 to 1:12:30

Explore the implications of recent migration policies and political tensions in Europe.

“And this was really sparked by a Spanish court ruling that was then misrepresented in a lot of this messaging.”

Ukraine's Vulnerability Amidst Escalating Attacks

1:12:31 to 1:14:41

Discuss Ukraine's air defense issues and Russia's missile strategy.

“On Wednesday, the third major strike in one week hit Kiev.”

U.S. Military Stockpile Concerns

1:14:42 to 1:17:29

Analyze the implications of the U.S. military's depleting weapon stockpiles.

“And Ukraine's strategy is shifting, right, because it's dawning on the Ukrainians that help is not on the way, that the U.S.”

International Reactions and Future Implications

1:17:30 to 1:23:15

Learn about global responses to U.S. military capabilities and recent geopolitical shifts.

“That's not a thing that's happening because of the sense of we could be out of a job based on the president liking us or not.”

FIFA World Cup Highlights and Future Deals

1:23:15 to 1:24:09

Discover emerging football stories and international sports dynamics post-World Cup.

“This week, Cape Verdean goalkeeper known as Vosinia, the breakout star of the FIFA World Cup, signed with Chile's most popular club, Colo Colo.”

FIFA and Middle East Defense Deals

1:24:09 to 1:25:22

Discussion on FIFA controversies and a new defense pact involving Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia.

“I've been amazed that Gianni Infantino has managed to somehow hold on to his job after widespread criticism of a scheme to try to sell off part of the World Cup.”

Congress and Defense Budget Challenges

1:25:23 to 1:27:54

Exploration of Congressional concerns regarding defense spending and munitions shortages amidst political tensions.

“But I did want to give a shout out to the World Soccer Civil War, and Gianni Infantino's need to apologize the other day.”
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0:00This message comes from Mattress Firm. Sharing a bed doesn't have to mean restless nights. Mattress firm's sleep experts can match you with a Tempur-Pedic Split King sleep system. Get a$300 instant gift with purchase. They make sleep easy. Hi, it's Nyla, your host for this edition of the News Roundup. Just a quick heads up before we start the show. The news is rapidly changing and things may have changed by the time you hear this episode. You can stay up to date with all the latest by listening to your local NPR member station and visiting NPR.org.

0:38I'm Naila Boodoo. It's the 1A Friday News Roundup. What a race. You know, in the words of Muhammad Ali, we shook up the world. That was Abdul El-Sayed, who this week won the heated Democratic Senate primary in Michigan. The progressive eked out a win against opponent Haley Stevens and a race that stayed too close to call well into Wednesday. Now victorious, El-Sayed says Democrats are united behind him despite the bitter lead up. We'll talk about that and lots more we learned in this week's primaries, plus a U.S. Senate committee votes to hold former health official Anthony Fauci in contempt of Congress.

1:12What happens now? And why are U.S. weapons stockpiles running dry? Let's go to our panel for all of that. We've got lots of folks with us in the WAMU studio today. Arthur Delaney, senior reporter for HuffPost. Hey, Arthur. Hey. Taylor Poplar is national political reporter at the White House for Spectrum News. Hi, Taylor. Hey, good to be back. And welcoming for the first time on The Roundup, Courtney Subramanian, White House correspondent for Bloomberg News. Welcome, Courtney. Hi, thanks for having me. And joining us to kick things off is New York's Roundup regular Zoe Clark of Michigan Public, who's joining us now from Ann Arbor.

1:45Hi, Zoe. Hi, Nyla. And remember, we always want to hear from you listening. You can email your questions and comments about this week's news to 1a at wamu.org, and we will put them to our experts here. Zoe, bitter, slugfest, these are some of the ways outlets have described the tenor of this Senate primary race. What's your word? Contentious, vicious. It got dirty. It was a rough summer among Democrats here in Michigan. So what are you hearing from voters since Tuesday? Is it relief that that is maybe behind us or more dread about what's ahead? I think it's nerves. I would say voters are nervous.

2:25Democrats need to flip at least four seats to win the U.S. Senate this November, and they really see Michigan as sort of a target-rich environment. And so a lot of it came down to the conversation of electability. A progressive candidate like Abdul El-Sayed wins statewide in a purple state like Michigan. And Hailey Stevens' supporters said that she is the centrist. You know, the more moderate candidate had a better chance. El-Sayed's campaign says they can turn out Democrats and turn out disaffected voters, those who might not identify with the Republican or Democratic parties but are sort of angry at Washington, D.C.

3:06and its systems and at institutions that they just say aren't working. So I think the word right now is apprehensive, particularly about can these two sides come together. Right. I wanted to dig into both of those. But first, I just want to ask you about what role money played in the outcome of this election, the most expensive Democratic Senate primary in U.S. history. It was huge. Some$60 million was spent just on behalf of Haley Stevens. More than half of that came from AIPAC, the pro-Israel lobbying firm. And that sort of onto itself became part of the messaging around this campaign. Al-Sayed talks a lot about getting money out of politics, and he ended up being spent or outspent, I should say, something like 11 or 12.

3:51So his message is, look, if we can be outspent like that and still win, then we can win the general in November. Zoe, can I just ask, before we let you go, one more Michigan headline from the week, another victory for Democratic socialists who have seen some big wins this year, this time in a House race? what happened in the primary for Michigan's 13th congressional district. Represents parts of Detroit and state representative and Democratic Socialist Donovan McKinney beat two-term incumbent Sri Tanidar. This was somewhat surprising as Tanidar has just put a lot of his own money into the race.

4:29And it's surprising too, because again, centrist Congresswoman Haley Stevens, who lost the U.S. Senate. She won the city of Detroit. Al-Sayed didn't, but McKinney won this congressional district. So voters, it would seem, split here between the progressive candidates for the House and for the Senate. Zoe Clark, political director at Michigan Public, who joined us from Ann Arbor. Thanks, Zoe. Thanks, Naila. Courtney, can we talk big picture stakes for a second here? As we're thinking about how this race matters nationwide, now we have Abdul El-Sayed facing Republican Mike Rogers in November. Can you just sort of lay out, Zoe started to, just the stakes of this nationally for control of the Senate?

5:14Yeah, this, I mean, this was a proxy war for the two factions of the party, the progressive and the more centrist plank of the party on, you know, which direction the party's going to head, But El-Sayed's victory is the first real test of whether the progressives can unify those factions and deliver a cohesive message to carry them over the finish line in an important battleground state that they will need to take the U.S. Senate back in the midterms. And he has only 90 days to achieve that. But I think his victory was a counter to the moderate plank of the party's argument that progressives could only win in blue strongholds like New York or Colorado.

6:00Can they pull this off in the Midwest, right? And so I think the issue here at hand is, it was a close victory, right? He did not blow Stevens out of the water. And so I think that just prolongs the argument about which faction will prevail in the party's direction. And given there's no party leader and won't be in earnest until 2028 campaigning kicks off, I think this debate continues to play out and we'll see it in other places and other races like in Wisconsin in the gubernatorial. So Taylor, as we are seeing these different wings of the Democratic Party put on full display, as we get to the national election, do we have a sense of if the party is as divided nationally as this result would suggest?

6:51One might assume that the Democrats have voted for Haley Stevens will vote for Al-Sayed in the general election. Which I think is a fairly safe assumption, but there is a divide there. To Courtney's point, you look at the results from this Michigan Senate primary, Abdul El-Sayed only won by one percentage point. It was less than 20 ,000 votes. Three candidates, right. Three candidates, 1.5 million votes, and this came down to, I think, 16 ,000 votes total. So it goes to show the divide. There was also the big financial divide. There's the fact that Senate Democratic leadership was backing Congresswoman Stevens instead of El-Sayed.

7:22Now they're having to pivot. Even if you look, this is very— Sounds like a familiar story here. Yeah. We've talked about this before. This is so inside baseball, but I looked at the press release that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee sent out after El-Sayed won. I'm glad that you look at those things, Taylor. But they didn't mention El-Sayed by name until the bottom paragraph. And they basically were saying, we're focused on holding this seat and we're focused on, you know, beating Mike Rogers. But it goes to show that there is a divide there. And the big question is for primary voters, to your point, do they just say, hey, we all have to unite?

7:55That's what even Haley Stevens has done. Michigan Democrats had a unity breakfast, so we'll have to see if they follow that lead. I think the debate is just prolonged by this, and we'll find out in November who's right, if the progressives can really win in the general. But it definitely does show a shift for Democratic primary voters who are famously strategic, more so, I think, than Republican primary voters. And the ultimate example of this was Joe Biden winning the Democratic primary in South Carolina in 2020, instead of someone more progressive who had been capturing all the attention at that time, like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

8:33And so that way of thinking did not prevail here. And it seems like that's totally out of fashion now among the primary electorate across the country. Arthur, you mentioned Bernie Sanders. I actually wanted to play some audio from him. NPR's Mary Louise Kelly spoke to him this week and asked if it was true, like the concept of electability. Conventional wisdom has long been that moderate Democrats are better poised to win in general elections. Here's what Bernie Sanders had to say. Conventional wisdom is no longer conventional. It's out of touch with reality. The way you win elections, to my mind, is that you have to generate excitement.

9:13Courtney, do you wonder what you're hearing, if you think that's accurate for what Bernie Sanders is saying there, generating excitement? Well, I think it's more about the populist agenda and the populist message, right? So much of this is focused on cost of living. And, you know, El-Sayed was good at translating that message, much like Zohran Mandani was in New York, right? But the question is, can he translate that for swing state voters who may have soured on Trump, who want to hear about affordability policy more than they want to hear about defeating Donald Trump. And so, you know, the question is, what are they going to focus the message on moving forward?

9:57And, you know, some, you know, the progressive message may overlap with some of those economic pain points we're hearing from voters and what they're talking about. Taylor, we did hear El-Sayed very clearly after Mike Rogers came out attacking him, bringing everything back to the economy. That was the first thing he said in his victory speech. So how much do you think we're going to keep hearing him hit those populist notes? Oh, you'll hear every candidate running in a serious race talk about the economy, say that Donald Trump and the Republicans are not helping make your life more affordable.

10:30To Courtney's point, and I think what's interesting, El-Sayed is a great communicator. He also, though, in the final days of this primary, he and his campaign expressed a lot of cockiness that they were going to win easily, that this wasn't necessarily going to be a close primary race. And I think that's a good reminder that there is a divide within the party and he is going to have to tailor his message between now and November to win over skeptical voters to say he's not just there to be an influencer and to be kind of a flashy candidate. But to be in the Senate. But to be in the Senate and to be plugged into, you know, more boring policy issues like affordability.

11:02Yeah, that was weird expectation setting. You didn't need that if you thought are going to win. But I think Donald Trump makes it really easy for any Democratic candidate to fuse beating Donald Trump and economic messaging because he is single-handedly. Donald Trump is making everything more expensive with tariffs and this war in Iran that's jacking up oil prices. We're going to talk about that as well as latest job numbers. We'll also turn to the week's big primary takeaways for Republicans next. Stay with us.

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12:09It's hosted by Lizanne Saunders, Schwab's chief investment strategist, and Colin Martin, head of fixed income research and strategy for the Schwab Center for Financial Research. Each week, Lizanne, Colin, and their guests analyze economic developments and bring context to conversations around stocks, fixed income, the economy, and more. Download the latest episode and subscribe at schwab.com slash oninvesting or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the 1A podcast. It's our Friday News Roundup. We got this message from one of you. Jay Edwards from Norman, Oklahoma writes, I'm not sure that Bernie is right about needing to generate excitement to win.

12:47Kamala Harris generated a lot of excitement in 2024 and here we are. Dan writes, the real question is what does the Democratic Party base their foundation on? DSA is simply a modern FDR-based party. So does the establishment Democrats truly believe in those sorts of policies or not? You can join the conversation by emailing 1a at wamu.org. Taylor, Arthur, where are we with just sort of the idea of as we're talking about these progressive wings, which the DSA, I should mention, Abdul El-Sayed, not officially a DSA candidate, but also part of the progressive wing versus moderates. What are we seeing?

13:26Taylor, you talked about the establishment sort of grudgingly kind of bringing them in. What are we hearing about platform? Well, they agree on big stuff like health care. I think if you get into the DSA's actual platform that they've written down on their website, it's things that are far more exotic than most people are familiar with, like abolishing the Senate, getting rid of prisons that I don't think even DSA candidates, or at least not most of them, want to talk about in their campaigns. I think that it's mostly a story of broad overlap with a focus on health care. And you talk to, quote unquote, establishment Democrats, especially longtime elected Democrats here in Washington who serve in Congress behind closed doors.

14:09Some of them will do it publicly, but behind closed doors, a lot of them will roll their eyes at the idea of the rise of the DSA movement. But then they also acknowledge with candidates who have mainstreamed it, like Mayor Mamdani in New York City, they understand that he has energized voters and he did manage. And generated excitement. generated excitement, managed to beat off far more legitimate candidates in his race, and now is executing on a lot of policy visions that are continuing to build that excitement. To the gentleman from Oklahoma who mentioned Kamala Harris, I think having been out on the trail in 2024, there was a lot more relief that she took over the ticket from Joe Biden rather than excitement because a lot of Democratic primary voters were very frustrated with Biden, concerns about his age as he was trying to run against Trump.

14:51And there was almost a relief there. But then as Kamala Harris tried to execute a policy platform in 107 days, she fell short of that. And that kind of let a lot of enthusiasm out of the bubble. Let's talk about Republican primaries. Courtney, we saw the continuation of a trend this week with Trump-backed candidates winning in Kansas, Washington State, and Michigan. We've seen the president's overall approval ratings fall, but how strong is his hold still over the party? Yeah, it's a salient question because he's done well in the past to primary folks who stood against, who took stands against him in the party.

15:29As you mentioned, those three races did show he continues to maintain a grip on his base. And we know that to be true among his core voters. There's new polling from YouGov that showed his approval rating is still hovering at a sort of historic low of 34%, but self-described MAGA Republicans still mostly back him. I will note he did have a loss last night in the defeat of Congressman Andy Ogles in Tennessee, and he held a tele-rally for him just last week. But I think these larger issues of the ongoing war on Iran, the economic pain folks are feeling, you're really starting to see some cracks in that grip, and there's huge frustration in the party.

16:13I've spoken to Republicans and strategists and, you know, folks about how there's a lack of messaging on the war in Iran. There's a lack of messaging on the cost of living issues. And, you know, is that going to translate in November? And, you know, he doesn't exactly rely on Congress like previous presidents. So, you know, whether he's doing well within his own party doesn't really matter much for somebody who, you know, uses aggressive executive action. But I think it does come down to, you know, will the voters hold him accountable in November? And we'll see how that bears out. This week, Republicans found themselves having a Graham Plattner-esque problem.

17:01You'll remember Plattner stepped aside from the Democratic Senate race in Maine after a rape allegation. Now, Representative Max Miller has the Ohio GOP in turmoil. He's been accused of domestic abuse and child abuse by his ex-wife. Miller denies the allegations, as did Plattner. Taylor, can you explain what's happening with this story here? It's actually pretty complicated. Yeah, it's complicated and it's really sad. For context, I covered Ohio's congressional delegation for five years from 2018 to 2023, and I've covered Miller specifically since 2021. If people aren't familiar with him, he's been in Congress for a couple of years, but he's been by Donald Trump's side for a decade.

17:41He worked on Trump's 2016 campaign. He was then a close aide to the president in the White House in President Trump's first term. And then the president personally recruited him to run for Congress after an Ohio congressman named Anthony Gonzalez was one of the few Republicans to vote to impeach Trump after the January 6th Capitol attack. So Miller has kind of pledged his loyalty to President Trump through and through. I think as this story has played out, Miller got married in 2022. to the daughter of now U.S. Senator Bernie Moreno. Her name is Emily Moreno. The next year, they had a daughter together.

18:14And then the next year, two years to the day of their marriage, Max Miller filed for divorce. And since then, they've been engaged in a bitter divorce battle turned child custody battle. As you mentioned, she has accused him of abusing her and abusing their two-year-old daughter. That's not the only allegation of domestic abuse he's faced. It's not. When I sat down with him in August of 2022 during his first campaign, And I brought up that he had dated then White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham during Trump's first term. And she wrote a book about her time in the White House and alluded to the fact that she accused him of physically abusing her when they were dating.

18:50He denied those allegations. You go way back to when he was in high school. He was apparently accused of pushing a girl down the stairs who he was trying to pursue. That girl has never come public, but he has denied those allegations as well. So this isn't the first time. But I bring up his history with Trump because I think as of right now, it's why Miller is staying in the race and is not backing down because the president has declined to say you should bow out. This is going to make what should be a safe Republican seat more competitive this fall. You have, though, seen Senator Moreno, of course, who's defending his daughter, come out and say Miller should not be in Congress.

19:23And on Thursday, Ohio's other Republican senator, John Husted, came out and said Miller should both end his reelection bid and resign. It's incredibly messy, though, and it's ended up being just a sad divorce child custody battle playing out in courts now on social media. It's heartbreaking in a lot of ways. But then there's the political side where Republicans are now really worried his seat will be in jeopardy if he stays in. At the Capitol on Thursday, actually, a lot of Republican senators were talking about it and saying mean things about Max Miller that he's got to go. Tim Sheehy from Montana, a Republican, called him a degenerate sociopath.

19:58So there's very strong language now, and it's kind of hard to imagine him remaining in Congress or continuing to run for re-election. It is, but - Have we heard, Courtney, I was gonna ask Courtney, have we heard, what has President Trump said about this? Has he said anything? Yeah, in the Oval yesterday, he was asked about this, and he said he would not get involved. We know he had a phone call with Miller earlier this week, and there's reporting that the president told him he should drop out. But I think to Taylor's point, he is not publicly saying Miller should drop out, and he is holding on to that.

20:37I do think that his relationship with the president is a huge component here of his decision to not back down and to, in fact, double down. because if he has the, you know, tacit support of the president, you know, he may feel more confident in moving forward with the campaign. And, you know, it does show that the president still plays a big role here in choosing and, you know, who is in the party and his kingmaking role with the Republican Party. Arthur, there is another Republican who has decided to step down, leaving another scramble ahead of the midterms. That's Representative Chuck Edwards of North Carolina, who dropped his reelection bid.

21:24What is the scandal here? Well, so the House Ethics Committee had been looking into allegations from Edwards's staff that he had been inappropriate with them. And it doesn't seem as though he had an actual sexual relationship with them, but wanted one and pursued it in strange ways, such as missing votes to help one decorate a Christmas tree, sending flowers, lots of flowers to another. And it's in the context that we've had of a conversation about members and their staff and staff of other members, it was, I think, an easy one for the ethics committee to pull the trigger on and for House Republicans to say he's got to go.

22:09Let's move to other things in Congress this week. On Thursday, the Senate Homeland Security Committee voted along party lines to hold Dr. Anthony Fauci in contempt of Congress for refusing to answer questions last week at a hearing over his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Fauci invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 100 times. Fauci's lawyer called it, quote, a crude political stunt to punish Dr. Fauci for, quote, exercising his constitutional right. During his final day in office, former President Joe Biden issued a pardon to Dr. Fauci. We got this email from Dave in Silver Spring who says, can the contempt charge be issued from a committee and not from the full Senate?

22:52Interesting what precedent this would set considering the number of individuals who serving in this administration that may be given pardons for their indiscretions? Taylor, I think there's two questions here, right? Like there's the procedural contempt charge and the way that that's happening. But I think there is a little confusion over if Joe Biden issued a pardon, how does that relate to what's happening now? So on the pardon front, the pardon essentially covered time leading up to when Joe Biden left office. So anything after that, once President Trump returned to office, is technically not covered by this pardon.

23:24What's interesting is Senate Republicans on the committee argued that Fauci should testify openly and say anything because he's protected by that pardon. His legal team says you guys are just looking for him to trip up in a hearing and say something incriminating after the fact because they could claim he perjured himself in some way. The other aspect of this, and it's very procedural, but while the Senate committee did vote to hold him in contempt, when Congress does this, it's a recommendation. And they are sending it to the U.S. attorney in D.C. and saying, we recommend you hold this person in contempt.

23:55It then requires the U.S. attorney to put a grand jury together and to then go through the actual legal process of securing that contempt charge. Normally, if a committee does this, it then goes to the full Senate for a vote. But it technically doesn't have to. Kentucky Senator Rand Paul is arguing that basically because the Senate is about to leave for their recess and the fact that they probably don't have 60 votes to pass this, He's just going to hand the documents to the U.S. attorney for D.C., who is President Trump's close friend and ally, Jeanine Pirro, and say, take this and work on it.

24:25That's unusual in that sense, but it is up to her office to decide if Fauci ends up getting held in contempt by this grand jury. The Trump Justice Department has tried to prosecute people for this, like James Comey. That case was thrown out for improper appointment of the attorney who was pursuing it. But the charge here is that, yes, he has his right not to incriminate himself under the Constitution, but he supposedly waived it because he provided a written statement. Therefore, so, well, if you're talking, that means you can't say, I won't talk. No backsies. And I think that might be a little silly.

25:01I'm not a lawyer, though, but it would be up to a grand jury. The other interesting thing in this is that Fauci and his legal team have made clear that Kentucky Senator Rand Paul has called for Fauci to be imprisoned for several years. So they're saying this is truly, in other terms, a witch hunt because the senator has made clear his goal is to get Fauci behind bars. So that will also, if this ends up before a grand jury, all of that evidence will be presented in full. Grand juries in D.C. love telling Jeanine Pirro to get lost. That is Arthur Delaney from HuffPost. We're also with Spectrum News' Taylor Popolars and Courtney Subramanian from Bloomberg News.

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25:36President Trump made a trip west this week. He went to California and Nevada to raise money and shore up Republicans ahead of the midterms. His focus? Selling his handling of the economy. Here he is Wednesday in Las Vegas. Just yesterday it was announced that American exports are totally on fire in a positive way. This is a positive fire, not a negative. Sometimes you say, oh, that's too bad, you know. They'll say, that's too bad. It's on fire. It's on fire in a very positive way. And they've skyrocketed exports to the highest level in American history. Think of that, exports. Exports of U.S. goods did hit an all-time monthly high in April of this year.

26:17That's according to the Bureau for Economic Analysis. Exports have fallen back since then. In his remarks, the president also called democratic socialists the greatest threat to American life. He complained about his polling numbers and said, I don't get credit for anything. Courtney, what stood out to you from the president's trip this week? It was meant to be a trip to highlight his affordability agenda. This White House has tried on multiple occasions, lots of false starts, to try and shift the president's message to focus on his economic agenda. There was a point earlier this year in which Chief of Staff Susie Wiles said that he would travel every week across the country to talk about his affordability agenda.

27:02That has not happened, of course. But it was supposed to focus on his no tax on tips policy, lowering prescription drugs, the savings accounts for kids known as Trump accounts. but as you mentioned, he focused a lot of it about warning of the dangers of progressive candidates if Democrats retake Congress in November, which is part of a big messaging push by this White House ahead of the midterms. But in a place like Nevada, that doesn't really resonate where residents are grappling with the housing crisis and huge discrepancies in housing costs higher than average gas prices, you know, cost of a gallon of gas in Nevada is more than 70 cents higher than the national average.

27:51So I did see this as, you know, another missed opportunity for the White House to talk about the economic message that Republicans are reaching out for and asking for to take home, you know, while they're campaigning ahead of November. And I think that underlines the frustration with this White House on the messaging around affordability. I just want to zero in quickly on something else President Trump said in his Las Vegas speech. Here in Nevada, we've created over 40 ,000 new jobs and lifted nearly 100 ,000 Nevadans off of food stamps. They don't want to be on food stamps because they've got new jobs.

28:32They've got jobs. They don't need food stamps. So are there 100 ,000 Nevadans off food stamps? The president's actually talking about a nationwide trend. Participation in SNAP has declined nationally. What do we know about how changes in the new work requirements for the Trump administration, how that's played out in terms of these numbers? Oh, well, lifted off is the administration's euphemism for kicked them off. These reduction in enrollment is entirely from the bill they passed. And they use this, the money for SNAP to help pay for tax cuts, mostly for the wealthy. and it's one of the most rapid drops in national SNAP enrollment ever.

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30:17Find out more and support the shows you love at plus.npr.org. Let's get back to the roundup. Courtney, I want to ask you about the Labor Department's job report this morning. As we were just talking before the break about the president's glowing assessment of the economy, we know U.S. employers cut 23 ,000 jobs in July. The gains that were reported in May and June were revised down. What should we make of these numbers? I think it signals that the labor market is facing some hurdles after, you know, some surprising strength earlier this year. rising prices, uncertainty from the war on Iran. This, of course, could put some pressure on the Fed to raise interest rates as they focus on inflation.

31:05We heard from Kevin Hassett this morning. He has been making the rounds, giving media interviews and noting that there's positives with construction and manufacturing, which they attribute to AI infrastructure development, which is something that this White House is obviously prioritizing. But I do think that, you know, this signals that maybe the economy is not exactly where this White House and the president is saying that it is. Let's talk about Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche, who cleared a hurdle standing in the way of his Senate confirmation this week. He formally rescinded President Trump's $1.8 billion anti-weaponization fund, the major reason Senate Republicans John Cornyn and Tom Tillis had given for blocking his nomination in committee.

31:54They wanted written, not just verbal confirmation that he would scrap the fund that could have provided settlements to Trump allies, including January 6th rioters. Is the fund really dead now, Taylor? Democrats argue it's not. Republicans argue it is. This comes down to technicalities. Democrats say there's a loophole that will allow the Justice Department and the president to basically directly direct those funds elsewhere and still, you know, kind of do a workaround to get allies of the president those funds if they want access to. Even in this written statement that two Republican senators who were initially holding out, Tom Tillis from North Carolina and John Corner from Texas, got blanched to say the fund is rescinded.

32:34They argue there's that workaround. There also is this idea of tax audits for the Trump family, for President Trump, his adult sons, Don Jr. and Eric, and their businesses. And Democrats argue that even though it was narrowed the scope of the audit provisions in this settlement deal that the president got through the IRS when he sued his own government that he was leading, Democrats say that still isn't going to stop the president from getting kind of tax breaks on the money he's making right now in the White House. We know he made a couple billion dollars last year alone. They left tax immunity fully intact for the president and his family.

33:11And they narrowed it so that there was concern that it could apply to almost anybody they'd ever talked to. But it's a potential tax break for the president worth millions and millions of dollars, which is pretty unusual. It's like Todd Blanch gave the guy a bag of money with a dollar sign on it. But because it's taxes, people don't think of it in that direct financial benefit sort of way. But that's what has happened. So there's been a lot happening even this morning with who is voting for this nomination, who is not. Arthur, can you tell us who's said no, who has said yes at this point? Does he have the votes for confirmation by the full Senate?

33:50Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, Republicans, have said no. And because Mitch McConnell's sick and absent, it comes down to Bill Cassidy. And if he says no, Blanche fails. And if he says yes, then Blanche will be confirmed. So I'm looking. We'll keep an eye on that. Do we have a sense at this point when the Senate vote on his nomination will be scheduled? Does it matter what Bill Cassidy says? Well, you know, this is a symbolic rebuke, really. If they say no to Blanche, Blanche can remain as the acting attorney general. And the president has said, well, I'll renominate him later. Tom Tillis and Bill Cassidy, those are two Blanche skeptics.

34:29They'll be gone after this year. And so Trump still sort of gets his way. But the idea of Senate Republicans standing up to the president, I think, is actually pretty important. This whole confirmation process and the hurdles that Republicans have faced over it is also a good reflection of how President Trump steps on his own feet because he went after a lot of these Republican senators in their primary challenges or he forced them or coaxed them into retirement. And they felt more emboldened to express their discomfort with things like this anti-weaponization fund. So, yes, ultimately, Senators Cornyn and Tillis, you could say, folded and gave in to the president to support Blanche.

35:05but they held out for a while. And someone like Bill Cassidy, who President Trump endorsed a primary challenger because Cassidy voted to convict him after January 6th. It's just another example where in such a thin margin where Republicans control the Senate, if President Trump mended some of these relationships rather than pour gasoline on them, he would have a much easier process getting people like Todd Blanche confirmed. But Arthur's point is legitimate. Blanche could just stay acting attorney general until 2027, and then they'll have some new Republican senators in theory in place who will go along with the president and he could get confirmed then.

35:36Courtney, what have we heard from the president about Todd Blanche this week? Yeah, I was just going to say, I might add the president gave an interview this morning and said as much he would just keep Blanche in an acting position if this nomination falls apart. And I should note that Blanche has been in an acting capacity since April after Pam Bondi's departure. So, you know, I think he sees, you know, he sort of shrugs this off as he can find a workaround as he has for much of his administration. But I do, to Taylor's point, think this does really underline some of the cracks in the party and some of his personal sort of vendettas against some of these lawmakers who he's primaried really shining through here.

36:31And what does that mean for the party moving forward? He certainly does not have the stronghold he did maybe a year ago. So that's Courtney Subramanian, who covers the White House for Bloomberg News. Taylor Poplar is at the White House for Spectrum News, and Arthur Delaney covers Congress for HuffPost. We learned more this week about the extent to which the Iran war has depleted U.S. missile stockpiles, according to Reuters. The U.S. has burnt through nearly all of its highly accurate long-range missiles over the last five months. Taylor, the obvious question first is what does this mean for U.S.

37:07military capabilities and readiness right now? Do we know? So a lot of the sources who have spoken with Reuters, Washington Post had a great piece too, as did CNN. They're saying that clearly because the war in Iran is still going on, that raises concerns about our military's capabilities. But also if another conflict happens to pop up, let's say with China or if the U.S. gets into some other war there or has to protect itself, there are deep concerns that we won't have enough munitions to defend ourselves or to go on offense. It's something that even Vice President J.D. Vance, not specifically reacting to these stories, but throughout the Iran war, has expressed a broader concern of.

37:43He has a military background and he says, I was skeptical of this war because of I didn't want to deplete all of our munitions. We've seen the Trump administration firmly push back and say that everything is fine, that a lot of munitions and stockpiles are being replenished and that the president is overseeing it all. But they were particularly sensitive to the Washington Post story that said President Trump last week at a cabinet meeting at Camp David confronted Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and said, I thought the munitions issue was fine. And Hegseth apparently defended himself and blamed his deputy.

38:14The Trump administration insists that is not the case, but it's a good example. We're at day 160 of this war, and there are just concerns about if there's no end in sight, what happens to these stockpiles. From a budgetary standpoint, what does it take for the government to replenish this stockpile? Well, they need to pay companies to make more missiles, and that is why Pete Hegseth has been begging Congress for more money for the Pentagon, but been unable to get it because of how much Republicans can't stand the war and they can't get any cooperation from Democrats because they don't like it either, obviously.

38:46And so it's another example of the president's unwillingness to work with Congress working against his own agenda. Yeah. And the president said that these stories are totally untrue and that we have plenty of missiles. But he's also saying he's going to hunt down these leakers and have them prosecuted, which he's saying it's treasonous and that they deserve long jail sentences for raising this while he's asking for a record budget for the Pentagon. So you're not you're not leaking something treasonous if it's not true. So let's move to some health news now. The FDA on Wednesday approved the first mRNA flu vaccine.

39:24The new shot is from Moderna. That's a drug maker that also created a COVID vaccine using the same technology. It's approved for adults age 50 or over. And one clinical trial found the new shot is significantly more effective than the standard flu shot. The shot's going to be available this fall just in time for flu season. Courtney, despite its efficacy, experts weren't sure if it would be approved. We know that HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has openly criticized mRNA technology. What does this approval signal for Secretary Kennedy's influence at HHS? I mean, he canceled$500 million in funding for mRNA vaccine research last year.

40:06But I do think this puts him in a position where he is somebody who's had to go against what he said publicly previously before he took over as health secretary. One example of this was he gave an interview on CNN and was pressed on the issue of the measles vaccine. And he was pressed by Dana Bash about whether or not people should get these vaccines. And they should. But in the same breath, he also repeated unfounded claims about vaccines' links to autism. And I will note, my colleagues reported this week that the administration is actively considering issuing an executive order on further research for autism and vaccines.

41:04So I do think, you know, this shows he continues to play a role in shaping health policy, but maybe not in the way that he had anticipated since first becoming health secretary. Before we get to the reporter's notebook, we just wanted to bring you the latest on the legal battle over temporary protected status. On Wednesday, a federal judge lifted a ban allowing the Trump administration to officially end TPS for 350 ,000 Haitians after a Supreme Court ruling in June. In July, we spoke with Elizabeth Bellevue, a 28-year-old Haitian TPS holder, about whether she ever thought she'd have to go back to Haiti.

41:40As a child, I never really went back to Haiti to visit. my life is in the United States. So all I know is the United States of America. I've built a career here. That was always the plan for me. So no, I've never really imagined that until, you know, just recently. Many former TPS holders now face detention and deportation, even though the U.S. State Department says Haiti is too dangerous to travel to. One more headline, weeks after the Supreme Court shut down the president's attempt to end birthright citizenship. Trump signed two new executive orders seeking to limit the number of people who were eligible for birthright citizenship and cracking down on, quote, birth tourism.

42:23It was not immediately clear how the newest orders would be enforced. We've got a few minutes left here. I know we've talked about a lot of different stories. Breaking news update on Todd Blanche. Bill Cassidy, while we were speaking, he spoke on the Senate floor and said he's a yes for Todd Blanche. So Todd Blanche will be confirmed as the full attorney general. And the idea of Republicans standing up to Donald Trump will have to wait for another day. And part of what Cassidy said in his speech is that he was worried that if he voted against Todd Blanche, that Trump would install somebody more controversial as another acting attorney general.

42:58So that's Cassidy trying to save face while also giving the president a big win. We just have a minute or two left. Courtney, a story that you have been following that you that we missed this week or what you're looking at next week? The administration's AI safety framework, we started the week out with a big bang, a lot of focus on it, and then it's sort of a meeting to update the companies involved, sort of quietly passed, and the administration has been downplaying it. They are keeping the safety framework private for now and not publicly releasing it. So I am interested in what is exactly in that framework, how they are adjusting to the wave of revelations of models acting on their own and creating cyber and safety threats?

43:45Are there more hacks out there that we haven't learned about? And what does this mean for sort of the laissez-faire approach the administration has mostly adapted in the race for AI? Thanks for that, Courtney. Arthur? An appeals court Friday morning finally weighed in on the ballroom. Remember the challenge of the ballroom? And they said, no, you can't build a ballroom. That means it's potentially another thing Congress has to do for Trump. But construction continues. We talked about it before, but I'm really interested to see if President Trump and Vice President Vance end up trying to force Congressman Max Miller out of the race in his seat, especially throughout this August recess.

44:20The midterms are a big focus, and that's a showdown that could help Republicans or hurt Republicans maintain control of the House. Thanks so much to our panel today. That's Taylor Poplarz, national political reporter at the White House for Spectrum News. I want to thank Arthur Delaney, senior reporter for HuffPost, and Courtney Subramanian, White House correspondent for Bloomberg. We're just getting started with the week's headlines. When we come back after the break, we'll have a new panel and all the news from around the globe. Stay with us.

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45:50What has it highlighted about immigration policy across Europe? And we get into details on how many missiles are left in the U.S. stockpile and how it's influencing decision-making. President Trump says on his social media site, there's no munition shortage and, quote, the leakers of these treasonous statements are being hunted down, end quote. Grateful to have all of our guests in studio to discuss all of that and more. Jack Datch, a defense reporter at Politico. Hello, Jack. Good to be here, Nyla. Andrew Roth is The Guardian's global affairs correspondent, just back from a reporting trip to the occupied West Bank.

46:24Welcome, Andrew. We're looking forward to hearing about that. Thank you for having me. And Akbar Shahid Ahmed, diplomatic correspondent at Notice and author of the upcoming book, Crossing the Red Line, Biden, His Advisors, and Israel's War in Gaza. Akbar, hello. Welcome. Thanks so much. Thank you all for being here. Also, for those of you listening, as always, we're taking your questions and comments. On the week in international news, you can email us 1a at wamu.org. Let's start with the war in Iran. In this week's messaging from the president, here he is speaking to Fox News on Tuesday. The strait's going to be open very soon, or they're going to get hit very hard, and then the strait's going to be open.

47:01We were going to a tremendous attack, the biggest since World War II. And they called me and said, very politely, please, can we talk? Can we talk? They didn't want. And I said, yes, we can talk. Let's get it done. Finally, let's get it done. On Wednesday, Iran's deputy foreign minister denied that Iran is negotiating with the U.S. over the Strait of Hormuz. He described discussions with Oman as strictly bilateral and that a deal was close. You'll remember Iran has enforced a near total closure of the Strait of Hormuz after both Tehran and Washington called an end to the June 17th Memorandum of Understanding.

47:38Before the war, ships freely moved about a fifth of the world's oil and gas supply through the strait. Jack, can we start with this proposed deal between Oman and Iran over the strait? And can you remind us here of the geography with the strait, the UAE and Oman and what the steel would look like? Yeah. So this would put new lines in the sand. It outlines new shipping corridors through the strait. Inbound traffic through the waterway would pass by the Iranian side. So Iranian waters, outbound traffic by the Omani side. On the other side. Correct. So it's a massive departure, I think we have to say, from the status quo pre-war where American ships, ships of any nation transported 20 million barrels of oil through the strait every day.

48:19Now we're down to 30 to 50 ships per day. This would happen, of course, without any Iranian say so without tolls. Now the Iranians and Omanis are talking about anywhere from three to 7 % tolls of total cargo value. So that's billions upon billions of dollars that would be in play. And if this does go through, I think it's a clear sign of where the administration is right now. They're very, very desperate to get a deal, almost any deal, to end this conflict, even one that would be antithetical to American interests here. It's big concessions for the Trump administration. Right. And we've heard Marco Rubio and J.D.

48:52Vance say again and again, right, an Iranian toll on the Strait of Hormuz would violate international law. Trump at one point said he wanted to charge his own 20 percent toll. So the message here would be, look, like we don't have the cards, even despite what we're saying. It's clear that the Iranians have a lot of leverage here. Andrew, can we just go through the fees again? What would this mean in regard to fees for traversing the strait? Because we've heard a lot of back and forth about that. Right. So we don't know exactly what the fees will be yet, and that's still under discussion. But we have seen legislation moving through the Iranian parliament that's suggesting numbers that could be as high as 5 to 7 percent of crude that's moved through the straits.

49:33That would be an enormous windfall for the Iranian government, and that would be a huge concession from the U.S. side if they agreed to that deal. You know, we would go, if we were to go back to pre-war levels of trading through the strait, we would see Iran possibly make up$100 billion a year if those numbers are correct. So at the very least, Iran is making a very aggressive statement saying that we should be taking a considerable amount of the money that's moving to the strait and that should be taken by us. And the big question is, once again, as Jack mentioned, is the U.S. willing to push back and is the U.S.

50:06in a position to be able to stop Iran from doing that? And it doesn't look like the U.S. is at the moment. It seems that the U.S. is out of options. Dorothy shared their thoughts with us. Since the U.S. is using amateur negotiators, the current dealmaking between Oman and Iran on the straits seems to indicate the U.S. is almost irrelevant or too incompetent to be taken seriously. What are we hearing, Akbar, particularly from diplomatic channels, about the fact that Oman is engaged with this with Iran and the U.S. is sort of like on the sidelines here? So Oman certainly is a trusted U.S. partner.

50:40It was also integral to the Iran nuclear deal that was signed by President Barack Obama and, of course, abandoned by President Trump, leading to a renewed Iran nuclear crisis. So it's not like the Omanis and the Americans are not in constant communication. What we can take from this moment, I've been talking to a lot of regional diplomatic sources this week about this, is there's not a sense of any predictability or trusted point of contact in the White House. So J.D. Vance had put himself forward as that person. He's not seen as being able to get any firm commitments from Trump to rein in his unpredictability.

51:15Marco Rubio, yes, of course, has heft on foreign policy, has been in this role for a long time, very much seen as so close to Israel, which has consistently been opposed to diplomacy with Iran, has warned, you can't make deals with them, you can't trust anything they see. And let's not also forget that in this moment, this is all chosen by the U.S., right? We're not talking about any of the issues that the U.S. was meaning to address. the US put itself on a path where it's now really begging to get out of this without any compromise on the outstanding issues about Iranian human rights violations, Iranian ballistic missile production, Iranian nuclear enrichment.

51:56None of that is on the table, certainly in these Omani talks. And then to the point about lack of expertise, when, if this is signed, even if it's signed, the amount of spoilers that are really possible to come out here, whether it's the hotliners on the Iranian side or on the American side, there's no strategy from the administration for dealing with any of those. Andrew, can I just ask if we think about what leverage does the U.S. have? Where does this deal leave the U.S. when it comes to leverage, particularly when it comes to military might or the blockade on the street? We can see Donald Trump try to address that right now.

52:38So when he comes out and says, if we have a deal, let's do it, because otherwise I'm going to launch the largest strike since World War II against Iran. And a lot of people at this point are rolling their eyes about that, because so many times, dozens of times at this point, Donald Trump has said, I'm going to launch the largest strike in years, decades, etc., if Iran doesn't do this. And more and more, we know, the Iranians know, that the U.S. military options in the region are becoming more and more limited. The U.S. has expended a lot of its munition stockpiles in terms of both defensive and offensive weapons.

53:11And it's shown that even though the U.S. has an enormous tactical advantage against Iran and it can strike tens of thousands of targets inside of Iran, Iran has a strategic advantage. It's very easy to close the Strait of Hormuz. Iran can do it even if its military is severely depleted. And the U.S. hasn't found an answer to that. So ironically, you know, with the U.S. having the strongest military in the world, it still has a kind of fundamental weakness in this battle. And it's, as Akbar said, over something that nobody thought was the main point of this fight in the first place, which is the Strait of Hormuz.

53:44Jack, we've been talking about regional allies. You wrote this week in Politico that many of America's allies across the world are more comfortable just waiting this out. European and Asian diplomats said their countries aren't ready to risk the safety of their citizens. What are you what did you find from your reporting about European and Asian allies leverage or interest in bringing this war to an end? Yeah, this has been consistent from the end of February until now. Europe and Asia have consistently told the Trump administration this is not their war. And that's held firm. The U.K. and France, of course, are involved in naval discussions about what clearing the strait might look like after a war.

54:22But remember, the Trump administration didn't consult Europe. They didn't consult Asia before they ordered the first U.S. missile salvos. And all of the allies on the European side, on the Asian side, have been very clear. As you said, they're not putting anyone into harm's way. They're waiting until the shooting stops. They want to see something that's signed, sealed, and delivered that guarantees their access. So they're expecting new requests. They're expecting more pressure from the Trump administration. The U.S. in particular, not in a good spot when it comes to mine-sweeping capabilities.

54:50The Iranians have left significant mines in the strait and around the strait. They're going to get more pressure on basing and access from the United States, particularly for Spain, for other countries like that. But I don't think their position has changed. And is the position really we're going to stick out oil prices or ride all of that out because we don't want to get involved with this? I think that's one of the biggest pressure points. One of the things I just keep consistently hearing is this isn't our conflict. We didn't join into this. It muddies the waters for the Europeans, right, because they're focused on building up their arsenals to deal with Russia in the future to help Ukraine right now.

55:26They don't really have the political or the military bandwidth to do this. And I'll just add to this point of partners, Secretary of Defense, Pete Hexat, has just come out with a statement talking about if Trump were losing this war, none of these initiatives would be happening. We're witnessing increased American influence and increased partnerships. This is just outright lies from the administration at this point, right, which tells you that messaging and PR is spiraling out of control. They're not they were not seeing any evidence of a kind of greater U.S.-led order as a result of the Iran war.

55:55Let's move to the West Bank, where settler violence against Palestinians has intensified. Israeli settlements that are illegal under international law are expanding in the occupied territory. Violent settler groups have continuously attacked Palestinians and their properties. On Thursday, Israel charged an Israeli settler with reckless manslaughter over the shooting death of Palestinian activist Aude Hathalin. The settler was charged after firing his gun toward a group of people, including children, in June of last year. Aude Hathalin was 31 years old when he was killed. His activism was featured in the Oscar-winning documentary No Other Land.

56:34Akbar, an Israeli human rights group analyzed more than 1 ,700 cases of Jewish extremist violence in the West Bank from 2005 to 2024 and found that 94 % of investigations ended with no indictment. Why is it so rare for settlers to be charged in cases like this? So there's several things I understand here about the Israeli sort of body politic, right? There's a very strong far-right settler movement represented, including in the government, by some of the top ministers. That doesn't necessarily directly translate to what happens with the judiciary. But the sense that Israel's kind of blurring of lines between its politics, its judiciary, and the broader society has affected this is very strong.

57:19So do people want to lead to these prosecutions? They'll know that there will be a huge public backlash and outcry. and leaders like Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu know that it will potentially threaten their rule. There's also, Naila, a really important dynamic here between the Israeli security establishment and the political establishment. So you see commanders, you see national security experts, people from the Shin Bet, people from even the IDF come out consistently. They did this just in July again, saying, we want the Israelis to act on what they call Jewish terror, right? They say we want the U.S.

57:52to pressure Netanyahu on this, and that's never really been the case. It's been a consistent lack of U.S. action. As the core funder, the U.S. is not only implicated as Israel's chief military backer. Many of the settlement enterprises have funding ties to the U.S. The Biden administration, the Trump administration, you've consistently not seen action from Washington. Andrew, you just reported from Termas Aya in the West Bank for The Guardian. That's a Palestinian village where 80 percent of the residents are actually U.S. citizens. The village is located near an Israeli settlement that Mike Huckabee, U.S.

58:24ambassador to Israel, visited twice. The settlement that this settlement, the U.N. calls a breach of international law. What did you find in your reporting about how Palestinian Americans are doing right now as violence is escalating in the West Bank? This is, you know, it's incredible to see, I think, in person because this is a village that has kind of everything going for it. 80 % of the people there are American citizens, and they're usually very wealthy American citizens. They've built these kind of incredible houses looking over this valley in the West Bank, not far from Ramallah. And, you know, when you're there during the day, you feel very much like you could be in an affluent, you know, American town.

59:02There's American flags even hanging from a lot of the buildings. So it looks just like an American suburb? It could be anywhere. I mean, you know, it's a little bit different, obviously, but it could be an American suburb. And what's incredible is that at night you have the exact same problems that are happening in lots of Palestinian villages and towns across the region, which is, you know, 20 or 30 people, Israeli settlers, have set up camp nearby and will maraud through the village. You know, they'll take out ATVs. They'll set houses on fire. People are throwing Molotov cocktails. And this town, which should have all the inroads that it could possibly have, not just with the Israeli side but with the U.S.

59:41embassy in particular because these are U.S. passport holders, have found that they really haven't gotten much of a response from the U.S. embassy at all, as you said. And what about for Mike Huckabee as he's visited those Israeli settlements? Has he visited the U.S. citizens? He hasn't visited this town. And one of the heads of the town basically said to me that Mike Huckabee drove right by this town twice when he was on his way to the neighboring Israeli settlement and didn't bother to stop in. They have sent dozens and hundreds of requests to the U.S. embassy for help for cases going from soldiers attacking houses or occupying them to local settlers attacking Palestinian Americans in this town.

1:00:20And they really haven't gotten much of a response from the U.S. at all. People said to me that essentially what it says to them is that, you know, it's okay to be an Israeli or Jewish American in the West Bank, but the embassy doesn't think it's okay to be a Palestinian American in the West Bank. So there's a clear case of double standards taking place with the Palestinian American community there. And with the double standards on the killing that you mentioned of Odell Hatlin, we have to think about the kind of other high-profile cases. I mean, Shireen Abu Akhli, one of the best-known journalists in the entire region, U.S.

1:00:51citizen, killed in 2022, to still no real sort of move forward towards justice for the IDF soldier that did shoot and kill her, right? So lawmakers have been raising this consistently, including to Democratic administrations, and it's been fully on deaf ears. Let's move to Gaza. Last week, the Trump-created Board of Peace unveiled a plan for Gaza that would include the disarming of Hamas. It now seems that plan is up in the air. Jack, President Trump has said the situation is complex. A day after announcing that Hamas agreed to a full disarmament. What is the status of all of this right now, a week later?

1:01:24Yeah, I mean, this is something that Trump says he has on paper, right? But Hamas really doesn't seem like they've agreed to anything. They've said that their handover of weapons is still contingent on Israel stopping all forms of aggression and withdrawing from Gaza. Obviously, they haven't done that. Trump coming out there saying Israel's happy about this.

1:01:46We're Israeli's saying, point blank, we're not pulling back from Gaza until we see genuine disarmament of Hamas. So it's kind of this catch-22. From the Israeli standpoint, you've already seen them be able to shrink the Trump administration's expectations of moving forward on this, right? This deal, this was set up at the end of last year. We're now almost a year on, and we haven't seen progress towards the reconstruction of Gaza. We haven't seen Palestinians come out of tents. And really importantly, we haven't seen that international force to go in to stabilize and support an alternative leadership.

1:02:19So it's not just Hamas and the Israelis. Just to add, I mean, this is something that we've seen in several negotiations with the Israelis. At the very least, there are accusations that, you know, these kinds of stalemates are by design, that Israel is not looking to sort of move forward a kind of large reconstruction in Gaza at the moment on these terms. So it's found a different way to kind of slow that down. And this is something I heard repeatedly in my reporting in Israel about the Board of Peace and about other negotiations taking place over reconstruction in Gaza, that these problems and stumbling blocks were intentional.

1:02:51Disarming is also a condition in Israel's ongoing talks with Lebanon over Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon. Israel says withdrawing is contingent on the disarming of the militant group Hezbollah. The U.S. is sponsoring those talks in Rome in hopes to build off a ceasefire agreement in June. but Israeli embalming in Lebanon continues despite the ceasefire. This week, an Israeli airstrike killed one person, injured 11 others. More than a million people have been displaced in Lebanon since March. Andrew, what are the sticking points for Israel here in terms of withdrawing from southern Lebanon?

1:03:24The main sticking points are based around what are called pilot zones, which are areas where Lebanese government troops, so not Hezbollah, but the Lebanese government is supposed to retake kind of towns. and display that it can enforce a kind of monopoly on force in those areas. So it's capable of actually holding on to them and not losing ground to Hezbollah. Lebanon is calling for Israel to keep moving forward. We've already got three of these pilot zones. Why don't you pull out of more land? Because eventually under this agreement, Israel is supposed to pull out of all of southern Lebanon. The Israelis are saying that's not what the agreement says, that Lebanon first needs to show that it's actually able of taking control before it's going to continue.

1:04:04So that's the sticking point. You could call it sequencing. Again, who's supposed to go first? You know, what kind of benchmarks do we need to reach? But it does seem like, once again, those benchmarks fit in with Israeli goals and Lebanese goals to either retake or retreat from southern Lebanon. So, Akbar, we're up to, what, seven overall negotiating sessions here. What looks, is there, do we have any sense of how this could break through? Well, the dynamic is fundamentally rooted in a question we've been trying to address since 2023, right? When all of these wars really began with the Hamas horrific assault on Israel.

1:04:41Israel's right to feel we're not safe. We need to kind of rein in those forces around us. The question of Israeli security hasn't been answered in part because of Israeli choices. So kind of what Andrew was talking about with this capacity of the Lebanese state, when there is consistent Israeli bombing and occupation, experts on the ground will tell you, and it seems quite clear, Hezbollah is drawing on that to retain its support and its strength, right? So actions that Israel is saying it's taking for its security are breeding the next generation of threats. So any of these talks that the U.S.

1:05:13administration is really invested in, they think this could be a bright spot for them in the region, especially for Rubio. It's really hard to see that playing out because the Lebanese just are not able to have that strength to stand up to these Israelis. I'll foot stomp with these two said, but I think the fundamental piece of this, right, is the Israelis wouldn't be at the negotiating table without American pressure. They didn't want to be at the negotiating table for years. They wanted to continue bombing Lebanon into submission and to force Hezbollah out of the country. And that's the underlying disagreement is there's no faith from the Israeli side in Lebanon's ability to do this, but they're not giving Lebanon any chance to prove themselves.

1:05:51We're rounding up international news with Politico's Jack Datch, Andrew Roth from The Guardian and Akbar Shahid Ahmed from notice. Last week, at least 88 people died as more than 70 ,000 migrants from the African continent hoping to get into Europe crossed the border between Morocco and two tiny Spanish territories in North Africa. Hundreds remained missing. Tens of thousands of migrants voluntarily returned to Morocco over the weekend. The Spanish government estimates that 2 ,000 people who had made the crossing are still in Ceuta, including close to 1 ,000 children who have been registered as unaccompanied minors.

1:06:26Now, residents and NGO workers like Hamza are coming to their aid. I've been spending nights in the street with the children. A girl is sleeping inside my car for safety. I build places where they can spend the night with blankets and provide food. They use the air conditioning from the car because they have nowhere to be. Under Spanish law, migrant minors who are unaccompanied by adults, however, are supposed to be granted protection and taken care of by Spanish authorities. Jack, you know, the European Union has taken an increasingly hardline stance on immigration since the 2015 refugee crisis.

1:07:06The events in the galvanized far-right parties in the EU who weaponized the story. I was in the UK when this was happening. It was also widely covered. You also hear British far-right groups, you know, echoing the similar things. First of all, how did this event put Spain and Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez at odds with EU counterparts over immigration policy? Yeah, I think it's almost a battle for the soul of Europe, right, with the intensity of these images that are coming out and the intensity of the debate within the European Union. Because you see Spain as a tremendous outlier now. Now, it's almost a 180 from where we were in 2015, where you saw EU countries being much more liberal, much more accepting of migrants from the Middle East.

1:07:47That sort of shifted under the pressure from, of course, former Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. We saw sort of a surge in far-right parties. Now we're almost at the polar opposite in where the status quo is in Europe. Spain, very accepting of a lot of migrant workers. They've granted amnesty to a number of undocumented workers. And this is what a lot of EU leaders, including Georgia Maloney, including Friedrich Mertz of Germany, are protesting against. They're saying that this was almost an invitation for migrants to make this surge and try and come across the border. So, I mean, we'll see where this goes.

1:08:23But I think this is leading to, in most of the EU, almost a hardening of the position. Denmark and Finland have backed calls to consider suspending Spain from the Schengen area. That's the free movement area across the Eurozone. Italy has reinstated border checks. So you almost see a tightening of the guard here based on what's happened. I mean, it's almost like you see the old borders within Europe reasserting themselves as opposed to the free movement that the EU was created upon. Yeah, that's right. It's a 180 value shift. And it seems like now sort of the European Union under pressure to advocate a much more conservative migration policy.

1:09:00How has Spain's government been also just handling this influx of migrants, particularly as we think about these unaccompanied minors? Certainly, unfortunately, the U.S. has a lot of like has sort of a whole infrastructure for how to handle that. Is that similar in Europe and particularly in Spain? They've been turning a lot of these people away and sending some of them back. Of course, there have been a lot of tragedies that you pointed to. So the infrastructure is not as solid as it should be. And, you know, hopefully we can see some movement within Brussels and perhaps within Madrid to address some of that.

1:09:30But, you know, right now it seems like a number of these 70 ,000, if not the bulk of them, have been turned back and heading towards Morocco. And we'll see where this leads. Akbar, it's remarkable the amount and the volume of people who came in such a short period of time. How did social media posts, the social media hoaxes and misinformation play a role in this volume of people coming? There was a huge surge of sort of Facebook posts, WhatsApp groups sort of saying, it's time to go swim across, it's so easy. And this was really sparked by a Spanish court ruling that was then misrepresented in a lot of this messaging.

1:10:09There have been kind of conspiracy theories around this, people saying the Spanish government was maybe being targeted by people who wanted to undermine Sanchez. Sanchez, of course, has clashed with the Trump administration, has clashed with Israel, is very left-wing, has opponents on the right-wing in the European sort of political sphere. But this did seem to a degree kind of rapidly engineered. These were very new groups and accounts. These were not kind of messages that had been there before. And Sanchez had been regularizing migrants much earlier. You know, this was not a sudden policy shift by him.

1:10:45Yes, there was a court ruling, but his kind of approach has been this for a year. I was also interested in kind of what you said about the re-raising of borders around Europe and sort of abandoning that post-World War II coming together. Because what critics of the reaction from Meloni and others would say, and I think it's an interesting point, is as a continent, they're only going to be able to deal with this together, right? So to suddenly sort of build up again Schengen border checks and hope that the Italians are somehow going to not be integrated with what's happening in Spain, that's not going to address your broader migration crisis.

1:11:19And sort of the only things that have been have been, for instance, when the EU had a deal with Turkey or had a deal with Libya. These criticized deals really fraught deals, but kind of the only way forward. And this is coming at a time, right, where the Eurozone, where European Union countries are under a lot of pressure from the Trump administration for a variety of different reasons, right? The U.S. is considering withdrawing a number of troops from the region. You have, of course, Spain in particular, a low-bar NATO spender, under pressure from Trump for more tariffs. So this battle for the soul of Europe is going to have a disunifying effect at a point where Europe would hope to stand united against the pressure they're facing from the U.S.

1:12:00I just add that, I mean, that battle for Europe, I mean, this is the biggest test that we've seen probably for, you know, the Schengen zone, freedom of movement, maybe, you know, in years, maybe even in a decade since, you know, the migrant crisis of 2016. So, I mean, there are massive questions right now about this is a different world, Donald Trump and others. Being anti-migration is no longer a kind of fringe or far right view. I mean, it's much more becoming the mainstream and we see that in left-wing governments in Europe as well. So, the question is, you know, is this time, might we see a real fundamental change because of this?

1:12:31Let's move now to Ukraine. On Wednesday, the third major strike in one week hit Kiev. The Ukrainian Air Force said it failed to shoot down any of Russia's missiles, and at least 21 people were killed. And in post on Axe, President Vladimir Zelensky said the reason is simple. Ukraine has run out of air defense interceptors, and the supply from partners has dropped to a third of what it was last year. Andrew, Ukraine did manage to shoot down 98 of the 115 drones that were fired by Russia on Wednesday. So how vulnerable is Ukraine without the air defense interceptors? What have they run out of? So Ukraine is extremely vulnerable without the air defense interceptors.

1:13:12I think the biggest issue is the lack of PAC-3 Patriot missiles. This is something that, you know, while drones are a major problem for Ukraine right now, I mean, the biggest problem are ballistic missiles. Russia has launched about 650 ballistic missile strikes this year. But as Ukraine has been running out of the interceptors, Russia has been able to build a lot more ballistic missiles. They've upped their production. So it's not just a decrease in Ukrainian capacity, it's an increase in Russian capacity as well. And that means that with these ballistic missile strikes, we're seeing Russia launch multiple ones each week.

1:13:46They are able to really pummel the Ukrainian capital and some of the most important kind of warfighting industry aspects of Ukraine as well. So we've seen Russia hit important Ukrainian drone factories, etc. This is the most crucial point of the war, I think, for Ukraine in terms of a lack of interceptors. And Ukrainian officials are saying the same. So while we've seen a real shift kind of in the war in the last six months, let's say, with Ukrainian drain production, Ukraine launching a lot of mid-range drones, the Russians have now found this vulnerability. It's the supply of interceptors, and Kiev is open at the moment.

1:14:23I mean, Russia is pummeling it. Jack, is this sort of then why fighting has escalated, because Moscow is seeing this as a way to exploit weakness in Ukrainian defense? Yeah, that's exactly right. Russia is trying to seize upon this window of opportunity that Andrew described, where Ukraine really has few weapons it can use to shoot down ballistic missiles and cruise missiles. And Ukraine's strategy is shifting, right, because it's dawning on the Ukrainians that help is not on the way, that the U.S. isn't going to be able to restock Patriot interceptors fast enough to send to Ukraine even if they wanted to.

1:14:57So now they're shifting their strategy to try and take out missiles on the launch pad. But that requires something else from the United States. They need the ability to use Starlink terminals from Elon Musk to use long-range drones to target those missile sites. They're pleading with Elon Musk to get that permission, but it's not a slam dunk. Elon Musk very much on board with the Trump administration strategy to get a quick deal to end this conflict. I mean, I think people will remember the whole conversation around Patriot air systems that are U.S. designed. Vladimir Zelensky saying, I need the Patriot missiles.

1:15:30The U.S. and Europe both have stock of that. Is the U.S. not handing that over? What's going on with that? Yeah, the message from the U.S. ever since the Iran war broke out to the Ukrainians and to European customers, even the Japanese as well, has been we don't have enough to give you. So even if they're upping the production and we've seen the U.S. already make a deal with Lockheed Martin for a threefold increase in Patriot PAC-3, of course, that needs to be funded, but a separate issue. Even if they get that, that's not going to be online for three to five years. And so basically the message has been you guys are on your own for the next few years.

1:16:04you're getting delayed while we husband our supplies. And as we're talking about weapons stockpiles, let's talk about the U.S. According to Reuters reporting this week, the U.S. military has exhausted, quote, virtually all of its global stockpile of long-range missile defense systems. Senior U.S. military commanders are warning that the Pentagon's munition stockpile is, quote, dangerously low. What do we know, Akbar, about just, first of all, this depleted stockpile, this reporting that came out this week, President Trump reportedly confronting Pete Hegseth about this. Some of what's happening.

1:16:39There was an interesting comment about this from a former USAID official earlier this week, just on social media, where they said, the U.S. went to war to take away Iran's ballistic missile program and instead has given up all of its own, you know, missiles and interceptors. Quite interesting. Look, what I'm hearing from folks inside the administration is there's a lot of finger pointing over this issue. There's a lot of blaming other people and saying, was this not taking up the chain sooner? Did the president, was he briefed about it earlier in the year? Did that affect his decision on a ceasefire?

1:17:11And you saw this with Pete Hexler kind of blaming Feinberg, another top official in the Pentagon. There isn't an answer, right? So right now, everyone is basically trying to scramble to please the president, give him an answer that will make him happy. And I think what's important to think about in that context is how the kind of speaking of truth for power in the administration has really just gone away. That's not a thing that's happening because of the sense of we could be out of a job based on the president liking us or not. Jack, can I just ask, I feel like you and I have had conversations on the roundup going back, I feel like at least even last year, about the weapons stockpile.

1:17:49I don't know that this is necessarily a surprise for anyone. What is your sense of what the administration knew going into the war with Iran? Like what levels were like? Certainly this has been a conversation in military circles for some time. Yeah, I mean the numbers have been the numbers, right? We've known from public accounting that the U.S. would run out of precision munitions in a war over Taiwan with China in about a week. We've known from accounting within the Pentagon this has been a significant problem that they're trying to build against. I think to Akbar's point, right, this war was launched with very rosy assumptions that the Iranians would fold, that they'd be able to take them out with a few missile salvos.

1:18:29that it wouldn't extend for months and months and months. And now that it has extended for months and months and months, we're down to under 1 ,000 rounds of Patriot, 80 % of terminal high altitude air defense, one of the key U.S. air defense systems, also down. Over 1 ,000 Tomahawk missiles extended. That would be a key capability if the U.S. were to defend against China or go to war against China to attack Chinese land targets or even Chinese ships. So you just see this problem compounding and getting worse and worse and worse. Best case scenario, three to five years you can get out of this crunch, but that's if Congress funds it.

1:19:03That's if everything goes well and the supply chain to actually build these missiles is broken entirely. I want to get back to the supply chain in just a minute, Jack. But Andrew, can I just ask, as we circle back to the conversation we had at the beginning of the hour, as we think about leverage that the U.S. has, is this another – where does this factor into the U.S.'s position with Iran in the war? I mean, once again, this is a severe kind of sticking point for the U.S. You can't have a war if you don't have the missiles to fight it with, especially the kind of war that the U.S. was having with Iran.

1:19:35So, first of all, you know, you won't have offensive missiles that can be used for these precision strikes that the administration hopes will eventually, you know, change Iran's strategic thinking. Secondly is that the lack of defensive weapons doesn't just affect the U.S. It affects everybody, all of the U.S. allies around the world. So you have to think about the amount of concern that's coming out of allies in the Gulf who have been targeted by Iran but also the Ukrainians who no longer have the kind of weapons they need to defend themselves. South Korea, obviously Taiwan, others who would also rely on U.S.

1:20:09stockpiles. So Iran knows that there is a very large amount of concern and pressure on the U.S. to the degree that allies can pressure the U.S. That these stockpiles are needed for not just the conflict in Iran but elsewhere. So this plays into Iran's goal of kind of stretching out this conflict and making it more and more painful for the United States. Jack, let's go back to just the idea of replenishing the stockpile and how long that will take and where the U.S. is with that, whether it comes to budget as well as just sort of procurement. It's not like – I mean this is – it sounds like you're saying this is a years-long problem of manufacture, of replacement.

1:20:47Can you just give us a sense of how complicated that is? Yeah, it's enormously complicated, right? On paper, theoretically, the administration has arm wrestled Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman into billions of dollars of deals to replenish these stockpiles. So you're looking at a 4X of FAAB, the terminal high altitude air defense. You're looking at a 3X of Patriot by 2030. But actually getting there, we don't have enough high explosives to build a lot of these things. When you're talking about air defense missiles in particular, that's a lot of quality control that needs to be done because you're actually trying to get a bullet to hit a bullet essentially.

1:21:20So the physics of doing that is a massively complex problem. So if we could have snapped our fingers and accelerated these production lines, it would have been done before. So the administration is kind of fighting against the gravity of the supply chain, the gravity of Congress, and the gravity of the fact that they're in a shooting war right now with the Iranians. Akbar, Andrew, I just want to know what reactions you're hearing from your sources about this reported U.S. stockpile issue. I just want to flag, too, the kind of hubris on this predates the Trump administration, right? The U.S. was going through a lot of these stockpiles in defending Israel through that kind of post-2023 Gaza war.

1:22:00As Israel was escalating consistently with Iran, Iran was pushing back. Biden administration officials at that point were saying, look at us doing an amazing job. Because this came up during the beginning of Ukraine. It also came up then, right? So it is a bipartisan and long-term failure, right? And I think that Jack's rightly pointed out that you can't snap your fingers and suddenly wish it away. And certainly people who are trying to put it, yes, it was a choice by the Trump administration to go into this war with Iran. No one had kind of addressed this issue or the kind of U.S. foreign policy tendencies that use up these resources without a strategic plan even before this.

1:22:35I would just say from U.S. allies around the world, because I've been traveling a bit, there's a lot of concern about the fact that, you know, There were questions about how Europe was going to defend itself if it ended up in a very kind of large-scale war with Russia before this. And Europeans were saying, oh, it's going to take us, you know, seven years, ten years to kind of start to develop our own air defenses. If it's a five-year window in order to replenish U.S. stocks, and that's even before we get to maybe arming allies, et cetera, that's going to change the calculus a lot. So I think that what I'm hearing at the very least is a lot of concern about how reliable a partner the United States is and whether or not this is going to lead to a significant change in terms of other countries starting to take matters into their own hands.

1:23:14Let's shift gears entirely to one more story before we head to your notebooks. This week, Cape Verdean goalkeeper known as Vosinia, the breakout star of the FIFA World Cup, signed with Chile's most popular club, Colo Colo. I have always, deep inside, aspired to play in a large club. So when Colo Colo, the largest one in Chile, offered me a contract, I had no doubt. I've always admired Chile's players, like Salas and Valdivia. And I know that the Chilean league is very competitive. The 40-year-old Josimar Evora Diaz, who saves against powerhouses Spain and Argentina, captivated global audiences, catapulted his social followers from 50 ,000 to more than 30 million during the tournament.

1:23:59Colo Colo also secured special permission for him to keep his nickname, Vozinha, which means granny on his jersey, which is a first for Chile's Premier League. Before we get to everyone's reporter's notebook, I'll start with another FIFA-related story. I've been amazed that Gianni Infantino has managed to somehow hold on to his job after widespread criticism of a scheme to try to sell off part of the World Cup. What stories are you guys following? I'll start with two quick ones. There's a Turkey-Iran-Saudi Arabia pact that was just signed. So that's quite interesting to look at because these are countries that have really positioned themselves as being determinants of a future Middle East when there's not a Trump administration strategy for the Middle East.

1:24:42So what does it mean for these countries to kind of pledge mutual defense? I'm sorry, I should have said Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia defense deal. It's sort of like an Article 5 for NATO, correct? Is that accurate? Well, it's always a little more loosey-goosey in that region, right? Because Pakistan certainly has been bound to defend Saudi Arabia for a while, but you haven't seen it assertively do that because of concerns about its own stability. To me, it's more interesting from the kind of standpoint of autocratic-leaning countries in the region really coming together to solidify a new framework and one that to me looks like it's laying seeds for future instability as well.

1:25:23I'll be digging through some stories from reporting in Israel this week, but looking a lot more at Benjamin Netanyahu, his chances in the election, and kind of how he lost the United States public, or at least a large part of it, in terms of bipartisan support for Israel. But I did want to give a shout out to the World Soccer Civil War, and Gianni Infantino's need to apologize the other day. It's always fun. In apparent 50 lives, past nine lives. It's always fun to figure out how things like FIFA work, hadn't thought about it, and the fact that we found out you can try and fail to privatize FIFA is a great summer story.

1:26:03Yeah, I'm soliciting feedback on how to stay into soccer as an American when the MLS is our best league, so I'm taking feedback on that. I guess I have a new team to root for in Chile with Bozinha. But looking at sort of what Akbar mentioned with Pete Hegseth and his beef now with Steve Feinberg, the deputy secretary of defense, Steve Feinberg, a close Donald Trump ally, a big Donald Trump donor. Now Hegseth apparently throwing him under the bus on this munitions shortfall. So I'm curious who's going to come out on top in this battle. Yeah. And have we heard anything? Can I just ask, have you guys heard – have we heard anything from Congress?

1:26:39What are we hearing in Congress about this weapons stockpile situation? They're annoyed they want to go on holiday. It's August. They thought they were getting out today, and instead the Senate has struggled to do anything, really. I mean, certainly lawmakers have expressed tremendous concern. There's two things that they're considering. And again, interesting that we are considering a$1.5 trillion defense budget in addition to a supplemental over Iran when the U.S. has just openly lost a war against a much weaker adversary. But that's what they're hoping. They're hoping to push through a defense kind of spending package.

1:27:16And I know that Jack can speak about this more. Yeah, I mean, the feedback I've gotten from members of Congress, from Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana, of the Republican, and even Gene Shaheen, who's retiring on the Democratic side. So on both sides of the aisle is this reconciliation package that's going to fund part of this$1.5 trillion buildup is dead on arrival. So I don't know how they're going to get to this number of$1.5 trillion. not to mention there's so many questions now about the$67 billion add up for munitions. And Hegseth now has to go to the Hill, ask for this money, and with a straight face say, we don't have a munitions problem while asking for more munitions.

1:27:51So up is down, down is up. A big thank you to our panelists, Andrew Roth, Global Affairs Correspondent at The Guardian, Akbar Shahid Ahmed, Diplomatic Correspondent at Notice, author of the upcoming book, Crossing the Red Line, Biden, His Advisors, and Israel's War in Gaza, and Jack Detch, Defense Reporter at Politico. Well, Jack, you can look at women's soccer. How about that? That's, yeah, I almost went to the spirit last week. Okay, there we go. Mike Kidd is our sound designer and engineer. Chris Castano is our digital editor. Maya Garg is our senior managing producer. Alexandra Bote is our senior supervising producer.

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