The News Roundup for June 26, 2026

26:07Now let's talk about the strife for the Dems, or at least what some establishment Dems see as strife. We go to congressional primaries in New York City. Mayor Zoran Mamdani endorsed three candidates in New York City. All three won, two of them knocking off Democratic incumbents, and the mayor was ecstatic. First and foremost, this is your victory.

26:34What you all have shown this evening, whether for state assembly, state senate or Congress, is that a year ago, it was not the end of a political movement. It was the beginning. Zoran Mondani has been in office for less than seven months. Wendy, there he is trying to say, this isn't factional. This is the direction of the party that I want. Those are two different things. How, what does this say, I guess, about Momdani's political power? Sure, that's New York City. But what about how voters are feeling about the direction of the Democratic Party? I think voters are, well, first of all, I mean, Momdani's having a honeymoon like I've never, haven't seen since probably Reagan's first term.

27:21Everything is going so well for him. But in this sense, he is reading the room right, at least in big cities like New York. Now, you know, this won't play everywhere in the country. But people are frustrated that the Democrats keep fighting the MAGA movement the same way they have for 10 years, hoping for a different outcome. They are getting every voter, a lot of Democratic voters under 40 certainly are very, very frustrated with the Democrats' continued support for Israel, no matter what it does, and for Netanyahu's government. And so what Mamdani's generation of Democrats is saying is there has to be some change.

28:01We are demanding change. And it can't be from 80-year-old Bernie Sanders, but it's going to come from us. And we are going to try to push the Democratic Party into doing something a little different and really be a different brand than just this mushy middle where moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats all agree. Even with some incendiary statements from one candidate who won a Democratic primary in New York, Terry Elisa Avila-Chevalier, former campus activist at Columbia University in the protests there, known to have protested on behalf of Palestinians on October 8th before the war in Gaza started.

28:41And lots of controversial statements dissing Joe Biden, dissing Kamala Harris, saying COVID came from France. She's walked a lot of that stuff back. But this is a candidate, Taylor, that in another age wouldn't have had a chance. And now progressive Democrats in New York City are saying, oh, yeah. Yeah, the goalposts have shifted. And I think we've seen and have documented over the last decade how much the Republican Party has changed when it comes to the goalposts moving and what scandals are considered acceptable, how President Trump has just plowed through issue after issue. Democrats now are sort of playing their own catch up game to that.

29:14And it's striking to see because they in many ways spent the last few years as very, you know, purity focused, a purity focused party and rooting out those folks. Now they're saying maybe we're more willing if it energizes the base. Still, it's a familiar pattern. In 2018, AOC defeated Joe Crowley, an establishment Democrat, and then Republicans said, well, this is the new face of the Democratic Party. It's the same thing happening again. And I think New York Democrats get outsized amount of attention. We're going to go to a brief pause here. We've been getting some notes from you about the Supreme Court, and I want to give voice to them here.

29:48Matt in Louisiana writes, TPS, temporary protected status, is temporary. It's that easy when countries like Ukraine have all-night parties and nightclubs and normal activities in their cities. TPS can be temporary here. And Greta from Arlington says, I dislike the way the media covers the court's rulings as describing an outcome as for or against Trump. Just because they take a position on a policy doesn't mean the court is, quote, siding with Trump. Greta, thanks for that note. Matt, thanks to you as well. We have to take a quick break. But coming up, a lot more news from around the country. Stick with us.

30:26We'll be right back.

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32:29Norm Eisen is the co-founder and executive chair of the Democracy Defenders Fund, and he explained why the Senate GOP doesn't have enough support, as we heard earlier, to pass that SAVE Act as Donald Trump wants. Many of his voters and all American voters don't have passports. rural voters who count on mail-in voting. So the SAVE Act would be a disaster for all voters, including for Republican voters. And then finally, it would require a change to the filibuster rules where 60 votes are needed to move legislation. And there's not support to change that rule with the Senate current majority, perhaps looking at a political future very soon where they're going to want to use that rule to stop legislation.

33:18Norm Eisen there on 1A last week. You can find that full conversation on our website at the1a.org. Well, we keep, guys, the SAVE Act keeps coming up. It won't go away. We keep talking about it because the president keeps injecting it into every other issue he can. Last week, Trump stalled his own national intelligence director nominee until senators give him that save act. In the meantime, Bill Pulte started his job as acting DNI. And Pulte, well, he got to the firing. Pulte fired six staffers, sent another 45 back to their home agencies. That's according to reporting from CNN and CBS. Pulte, well, he's been a controversial figure so far, no intelligence background, and bringing a track record of doing the president's political bidding and investigating the president's perceived enemies.

34:12Wendy, what do we know about the shakeup at the intelligence agencies under acting Director Bill Pulte's authority? Well, first, there's another layer to Trump delaying the nomination of Jay Clayton to replace Tulsi Gabbard because then Pulte gets to start on an acting basis as leader of the Office of Directorate of National Intelligence. And this is something that Trump wanted that Senate Republicans were terrified of, partly because of the reasons you said on his resume, but also because of what he's doing now that he's in there on an acting basis. He has started firing people right and left.

34:54Nearly 50 people have been fired, mostly those tied to Tulsi Gabbard or work in the National Terrorism Center. Another 45 have been sent back to their home agencies. And look, there's an argument to be made that more than 20 years after 9-11, when DNI was created, that perhaps you don't need this whole umbrella agency. But that's a conversation not to be done on a whim. And I think it was Tom Tillis who said very colorfully that what's going on at DNI now looks like a stinking pile of doge poop. And I'm paraphrasing. I got it. Yeah. Republicans begged Trump to name someone else to be permanent instead of Bill Pulte.

35:38And that was Jay Clayton because the spy law, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a section of it has lapsed. Right. Which they all have said for years will basically cause a terrorist attack. Yet another critical piece of legislation waiting in the wings because of the SAVE Act. That's like number four in this hour. Right. So they were going to confirm him real quick. They scheduled the hearing and they were going to pass that law. And then Trump said, nah, he's not coming to the hearing, no hearing. And so it's still lapsed now. And there's a debate about how dangerous that is. But what they said is this prevents 9-11s.

36:09Well, more staff shakeups this week, firings or firings of a kind, this time at the Pentagon. A top U.S. Army commander, General Christopher Donahue, says he'll step down as the head of U.S. Army Europe and Africa on July 2nd. General Donahue, he's a decorated story figure. He was the last U.S. service member to leave Afghanistan, the last boots on the ground, seen as a key army leader, a potential future chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And this sudden resignation comes as Pete Hexeth, the defense secretary, reshapes his top brass. Taylor, what more do we need to know about this shakeup and what it may signal for Pete Hexeth's vision at the Pentagon?

36:50I mean, dozens of officers now, dozens of flag officers either fired or shown the door. Yeah, a ton of people who are widely respected on both sides of the aisle. But it's the latest example that Secretary Hegseth feels he has a mission in his current position to transform how the Defense Department operates. And in his view, what he calls the warrior ethos, he's trying to root out everybody who he doesn't consider to be aligned with that mission. We've been talking a lot about North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis because he's a retiring Republican who is willing to kind of comment candidly. And he put out this scathing statement talking about this general getting pushed out.

37:27He said, this is yet another unforced error from a secretary leading the Pentagon with bro culture bravado rather than restraint, humility and careful stewardship of the finest fighting force in the world. Hegseth insists you hear President Trump often talk about the deep state and rooting out the deep state. Hegseth insists that he's pushing out these top military folks who are part of that in his view. Okay, but then that would be called a military purge, not to put too fine a point on it. This kind of stuff does happen in other countries, and when it does, we call the purges, Wendy. Right. And Donahue is not some woke, you know, lefty kind of guy who wants to make it.

38:05He was the head of Army Rangers. He was a Delta Force commando. He was sent to the widely accepted to be botched evacuation of Afghanistan to clean up the mess and take care of that, to take care of that situation. Also, his specialty is on the future of warfare, drones, AI, how this is going to change the battlefield. And that's why he was looked at as a future leader. So this doesn't fit into the pattern of Hegseth firing black officers, women officers. Of which there's a long list of those. Of which there's a long list who are all great. Well, we all believe they were fine officers. There was no reason to fire them except for this.

38:47Donahue is a sort of a mystery. It's hard to explain, though. The Pentagon is so vast, but Hegseth is internally, no pun intended, but warring with so many figures. Even the Army Secretary, Dan Driscoll, who is really aligned with Vice President J.D. Vance, Driscoll and Hegseth butt heads constantly and very publicly, all because Hegseth says, I have the specific vision for the Pentagon and anybody who isn't aligned with me fully then is crossing President Trump. That's his argument. All right. Well, we can't have a complete fulsome discussion of the reality of Washington, D.C. without talking about the hot bath that is the reflecting pool.

39:25Here's the president. Vandals, you know, we have a hundred and we have a, I think, two hundred ninety, three hundred foot slit right through it. Probably a box cutter or a knife of some kind. We had people lifting up the basic, some of the, but it's not a lot of damage, but it's, we'll probably have to let the water out and refix it. They went in there with a knife. With a knife, with a box cutter. A lot of people laugh about the reflecting pool. It was green after all. There's a lot to laugh about here, but now this has taken a sinister turn. In recent days, six people have been detained on accusations of vandalizing the reflecting pool.

40:06Arthur, what's the basis for these arrests and what kind of charges are the detainees contemplating here? There are videos of some of these detentions and they happen after someone puts their hand in the water and presumably grabs the loose blue flap that was put down, which is floating. and maybe pulling a piece off. Like for a souvenir, you mean? Yeah, which a colleague of mine who was there saw people doing that. And that went on for a few days and then they seemed to want to crack down. And the arrests really do appear to be attempts to flatter the president in his theory that there's vandals and not just like millions of microorganisms that are causing the water to be green because that's just what they do and you can't control them.

40:51So put this into context, how confusing the president's claims have been. You even heard it in that quote that you just played. He says it's a 200-foot gash, then a 250-foot gash. At one point, he said it was 350 feet. He claimed that somebody went in the dark of night, even though that area is surveilled constantly, took a knife or a box cutter and sliced 350 feet across it to undo the liner. Park police on Thursday finally filed something in the courts. They claimed that there was some type of cut or tear, but that it was only 70 feet and that they didn't have specific evidence of somebody, you know, with a knife or some type of weapon going through it.

41:27But they released this grainy footage of one person, as Arthur described, reaching into the pool but not moving around. So not a 70-foot track, in other words. This is not a person making a 70-foot. At least this visual that they showed. And it's just striking because the president, of course, has a long history of making exaggerations and making baseless claims. But even at the kickoff rally for the Great American State Fair that I was at on Wednesday night, The president talked about it and said, we have these thugs and these vandals who are destroying this project that I've poured all this time and effort into.

41:56But they haven't shown proof of that. But now you have park police, which is funded by the government, running after folks who are getting near the reflecting pool, which is one of the biggest tourist attractions. And making claims in court. Right. That judges will review, Wendy. Exactly. Now, hopefully, all these cases will be thrown out by local judges. It probably will happen. And yet these people have to hire a lawyer. They have to take time off from work. They have to deal with this. And let's forget, he's not just calling them thugs and vandals. He is. But he's calling them leftist, democratic.

42:28He's turning this into a political thing, which you used the word sinister, Todd, and I think that's just right. This has become from something that's funny that, you know, okay, his reflecting pool didn't work. It's standing water in a city built on a swamp. Sure, there's going to be algae. But also the ducks are dying from the bleach that they're putting in. Arthur, it's still pretty funny. You can still laugh. It is unfortunate that people are having to deal with being arrested, but come on. It's such an unbelievably apt metaphor. Arthur, there's an election coming. We talk about affordability, the housing bill, the obsession with the SAVE Act, Republican senators not able to get on message.

43:06What are they saying on the Hill about the other distraction, the pool? Well, if you get a brave one like Tom Tillis, they make fun of it. They think it's really ridiculous. Otherwise, they're completely meek and subservient to the president. All right. We're going to go for the hour now. But before we do, I want to take a breath and say goodbye to somebody who is very special in the culture. And you may not have heard of him. Clive Davis is a music executive who shaped the soundtrack of American lives, people all over the world for over half a century. from his perch at Columbia Records, later Arista Records, Clive Davis discovered or shaped the careers of a whole constellation of stars.

43:47Listen to this. Whitney Houston, Barry Manilow, Carlos Santana, Rod Stewart, Miles Davis, Bruce Springsteen, Patti Smith, do I need to go on, the Kinks, and many, many more, including the late, great Aretha Franklin. Not bad for a guy who once said he knew nothing about music. Clive Davis died this week. He was 94. Thanks to Wendy Benjaminson, Arthur Delaney, and Taylor Popolars. As always, we're just getting started with the week's headlines. When we come back after a break, we'll have a new panel and all of the news from around the globe. Stay with us.

44:31This week on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, we asked comedy legend Robert Smigel about the moment he first knew he was funny. When I was like four or five, I could draw really well. So I could draw Fred Flintstone and Snoopy. And then probably a couple of years later, I started drawing them having sex. Listen to the Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me podcast in the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the 1A podcast. It's the international half of our weekly news roundup. Now, we have a busy hour, a great panel of 1A fan favorites to take us all through it. Greg Myrie is national security correspondent at NPR, just returned within the last couple of days from a reporting trip in Tel Aviv.

45:14Hi, Greg. Hi, Todd. Look forward to your reporting from Israel. Nancy Youssef, staff writer at The Atlantic covering national security and the Defense Department. Hi again, Nancy. Great to be with you. Great to have you. And Jack Detch is here, defense reporter at Politico. Jack, great to have you. Good to be here, Todd. We're going to start, of course, with the U.S. and Israel war in Iran. It might be paused for now, but the details are a long way from being figured out. The piece based on that MOU, that Memorandum of Understanding, that piece is shaky and attacks continue. Let's start with Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

45:51His travels this week to the Gulf, Rubio visited UAE, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, and Bahrain, trying to reassure U.S. allies. The message that I come with is that we want to ensure that in any decisions that are made throughout this negotiating process, the interest of our partners and our allies in the region are always taken into account. That there is no part of this deal that's undertaken that in any way undermines the security, the stability, or the prosperity of any of our partners in the Gulf region. Well, Gulf states were hit hard during this war. Rubio had the unenviable task of convincing those Gulf states that Washington's security guarantees remain intact.

46:32One of the Gulf's biggest fears here is that Washington could strike a narrow nuclear bargain that leaves those Gulf states exposed to renewed proxy warfare, Nancy, leaving them worse off than they were before the war started at the end of February. The MOU signed by the United States in Iran, everybody's noticed. It makes no mention of proxy forces like Houthis in Yemen or Hezbollah in Lebanon. We'll talk about them. Nor does it mention Iran's ballistic missile program, problem number one for Gulf states across the water from Iran. Did Rubio ease any of those concerns on this trip, Nancy? I really point out there are a lot of key issues for the Gulf that haven't been resolved, the proxies, ballistic missiles.

47:16And also, what happens with the proposed reconstruction fund? Could that give Iran the resources to rebuild its military and support some of those proxy groups? I think Rubio's message was that Washington hasn't forgot about their security concerns. But I don't think reassurance is the same as resolving those key concerns. And I think you saw that play out because we've now seen Gulf states starting to reach out and talk about engaging with Iran directly. What the Gulf states are saying is we still want the U.S. security umbrella that has been provided up until this war, despite the strikes that we took in light of that.

47:56But they're not yet convinced that the United States is doing everything they can to prioritize their security. And so I think Rubio ultimately bought the United States time to sort out those issues in future talks. But I don't think that meeting in and of itself gives the Gulf states confidence that their security is the priority. Well, Greg Myrie, Nancy mentions a big part of this, a very big part of this, a$300 billion reconstruction fund for Iran. The president has committed Gulf states to funding that initiative. On Tuesday, Rubio said he would not be asking allies for monetary help. Where's this money supposed to come from?

48:38Where does this stand? Yeah, it's not exactly clear. Again, Trump's position is the U.S. is not providing any money for this, and this could be private investment money. These Gulf countries were hard hit, but they're right across the water from Iran, as you mentioned. They may have to cooperate with Iran. They may be willing to invest. So we'll see. But it's aspirational. Again, In the Memorandum of Understanding, it's one point. It's a big, fat paragraph that says the U.S. and its partners will act to build this$300 billion fund, but it doesn't commit anybody in particular, either a government or private entities.

49:21Greg, I'm having flashbacks to the JCPOA. I'm having flashbacks to Iranian assets that were freed up in exchange for progress on nuclear enrichment and the rest of it. And the howling, the howling, the criticism of Iran being given access to billions of dollars for terrorist action, that was the criticism. And the Obama administration replying this isn't U.S. tax dollars. I feel like I've seen this play. Yeah, and that with Obama, it was$1.7 billion. We're talking about here, we're talking about potentially$300 billion in investments. And I think even the most important piece, we'll see what happens with this.

50:01But the U.S. has lifted sanctions so Iran can sell its oil freely on world markets. This is perhaps the biggest and the most immediate change for Iran. They no longer have to go around to other countries selling their oil at a discount because of U.S. sanctions. So on several different levels, Iran is getting some immediate economic benefits and then potentially other longer-term benefits, including this possible reconstruction. And a lot of that explains the discomfort that many Republicans here at home have with this deal. They lived through the JCPOA. They criticized the JCPOA. And now, like this humble host, they feel like they're reliving parts of the JCPOA.

50:41I think also high on Secretary Rubio's agenda on this trip, the Strait of Hormuz. Here's Rubio again. One thing that came across very clear is there is zero support, zero support among the Gulf countries for any sort of toll or fees or anything that charges for the use of international waters. The president's made it clear that's not going to happen. It's not going to be a part of this. It cannot be a part of this. He made that clear again yesterday in the Oval Office. Jack Detch, this memorandum of understanding sets out that Iran will make its, quote, best efforts to ensure toll-free passage through the strait, only for 60 days, though, pending final agreement being reached.

51:20They're also charged with demining the strait. How would you sum up Rubio's reassurance tour, specifically when it comes to the strait, the dispensation of the strait? Iran doesn't recognize maritime law governing the strait, but it allowed free passage before the start of the war anyway. So where do things stand now? Right. And we're sort of ahead of the week of messy details that are going to be sorted out in Switzerland. One of the big items on the agenda is going to be the regime governing the strait, which has been bound in two layers right now. Right. The Iranian blockade, which is essentially a theoretical blockade of we can hit you with missiles that drives up the insurance prices, the American blockade, which is being lifted.

52:04So they're going to need to figure out a long term deal. The problem is you have a lot of oil-rich countries in this region putting pressure on the United States, but they don't want to put pressure on the United States to get a deal that's worse, a status quo that comes at the expense of missiles flying into their country and the strait being held over. So serious challenges. A ship was attacked on Thursday, a cargo ship by Iran. Is that correct? Yeah, cargo ships still facing threats. I mean, the Iranians can launch missiles and blow this up at any time. So what are they doing here, like making sure that their power in the strait is part of the conversation?

52:38Well, I think there are two tracks, right? There's the public track and the private track. There's going to be this track that's playing out that's deeply technical in Switzerland where they're talking about the Strait of Hormuz. They're talking about the missiles. They're talking about the nuclear inspection regime. There's going to be another track that's playing out, and the biggest piece of that is going to be the Strait of Hormuz, the back and forth between the United States and the Iranians to the Iranians, if the talks are going south, begin to cause trouble in the strait. All right. Well, the details, of course, they really, really matter here.

53:08We've talked about not minor ones, the Strait of Hormuz,$300 billion ballistic missiles. How about nuclear inspections? On Monday, Vice President J.D. Vance said Iran had agreed to grant the International Atomic Energy Agency, access to its nuclear sites. Iranians have agreed to invite IAEA inspectors back into their country. That is a major milestone for the American people and the first step in permanently denuclearizing or permanently ending a nuclear weapons program in Iran. And that's exactly what we wanted to do. That's exactly what we asked to happen. So on Tuesday, however, Iranian diplomats said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

53:51Visits of international inspectors will only come after a final deal. We have not agreed to this. Wednesday, the head of the UN's nuclear agency said that Iranian nuclear enrichment sites would be visited by his inspectors, but that the timing wasn't all that essential. Nancy Youssef, the nuclear issue is now being debated in public in front of the press. Are these conversations happening in the same way at the negotiating table? What's going on here? Well, I think you're seeing the limits of a memorandum of understanding, that a memorandum of understanding doesn't get you to solve these issues.

54:26It's very temporary. And this is where the implementation of process begins and that it's very arduous. This is one of a host of disagreements we heard just this week, whether Iran would use frozen funds to buy American soy and corn. As you discussed earlier, who's going to control the strait? And so I think this really speaks to why I think so many were worried about Iran doing what it did this week in terms of launching a drone at a ship, why people are worried about what Israel could do vis-a-vis Lebanon. The memorandum of understanding only stopped the fighting. It did not lay a clear enough pathway for resolving these very, very thorny issues.

55:08On the issue of Iran buying U.S. agriculture products, Iran's parliament speaker said, the only crop we're harvesting is the one that you've planted. Decades of mistrust. It's organic. It's abundant. And it's homegrown, according to the speaker there. I think that's message received. All right. Related to Iran, of course, is Lebanon and Hezbollah and this coming up. The IDF will remain in the security zones in Lebanon, in Syria, and in Gaza without any time limit. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pushing to maintain a security zone inside Lebanon to fight Hezbollah. Despite U.S. pressure to reduce that military presence as part of these peace negotiations, Iran wants Israeli forces out of southern Lebanon as they negotiate a deal with the United States.

56:00We're talking about Hezbollah now. While Israel says it's now considering a U.S.-backed proposal to remove some of its military presence there, leadership is refusing to completely withdraw from southern Lebanon. Reuters quotes a U.S. State Department official saying this, Israel has already taken concrete steps, a concrete step, by pulling back from a part of its buffer zone. And the buffer zone is Israel's occupation zone in southern Lebanon. It's supposed to pull back troops. The supposed pullback of troops was rejected, like not real, says Israel and Lebanese officials. Greg Mari, what's the latest here and how is the issue of Lebanon become another front, another roadblock between the U.S.

56:45and Iran? I will say Iran has had enormous success to the frustration of Israelis, which we will talk about, in making southern Lebanon and Israeli action there a big part of this deal. No, you're absolutely right. And so the Israeli forces are about six miles or so inside southern Lebanon across this sort of buffer zone. They say they're there because Hezbollah was hitting northern Israel. And again, we've just seen this cycle for really for 30 years or more here. And the Israelis say, we're not leaving until we can guarantee that Hezbollah will not attack us. And Hezbollah, of course, says, well, we're not going to stop until the Israelis leave.

57:27And so you get stuck where everybody's saying, you go first. No, you go first. The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the defense minister say on a daily basis, we're not leaving. We were not party to this agreement between the U.S. and Iran, therefore not bound by it. But we've also heard President Trump and Vice President Vance telling Israel to stop hitting so hard in Lebanon, that they're making this worse and that they are going to have to play along to some degree. So this is going to be a problem, and Iran was very effective in making this a wedge issue, and now we see the U.S.

58:05and Israel in this awkward position of trying to sort this out where normally the U.S. gives the Israelis a pretty free hand in Lebanon doing what Israel says it needs to do or wants to do. But now it's become a real friction point because Trump sees it as potentially undermining the deal with Iran. Well, Israel and Lebanon have been talking about a U.S.-backed proposal for Israeli forces to hand back some of the territory in that six-mile-wide buffer zone that you mentioned that they occupied in their war with Hezbollah to hand it over to Lebanon's military. This is an old one, getting Lebanon's military to be strong enough and cohesive enough to police their own territory so that they don't have to deal with the IDF in their territory.

58:52I've read that story so many times, Greg, over the last 30 years. What are the chances of it happening now? Well, I'd still say it's not a certainty by any means. However, the Lebanese president, Aoun, is trying to do that. He's a former soldier himself. The U.S. has been supporting the Lebanese government and military trying to do this. So it is a push. It is an effort. It's going to take time. It's not going to happen overnight. we'll have to see if there's any progress here. And Hezbollah is still has not been willing to play along and retreat. So, yes, that seems like the best option is a long term solution, but it's not going to be an instant solution.

59:35Well, Donald Trump made J.D. Vance the face of the Iran ceasefire deal. There's a lot at risk for Vance and for Trump and for the deal. And then there's the factor the U.S. has not achieved its state of objectives in Iran and neither has Israel. Iran's regime still rules. Hezbollah still attacking Israel from Lebanon. Thousands of residents in northern Israel still can't return safely home. Jack Detch, how are Netanyahu supporters feeling about Trump now, his deal, and what can Netanyahu do to undermine it at this point, given his own domestic concerns? Well, I'll be curious to hear what Greg says since he's just returned from the region.

1:00:14But Israelis across the political spectrum are feeling some sense of betrayal, especially the ultra-nationalist figures within Netanyahu's ruling coalition. And remember, in the U.S., it may be the economy stupid. In Israel, it's the coalition stupid. And Netanyahu desperately needs people like Itamar Ben-Gavir, who have been pushing very hard on the prime minister in his corner ahead of elections later this year. So you just see an enormous amount of pressure, especially from his right flank, as this ramps up. Greg, what were you hearing while you were in the country? Yeah, every day from politicians, from the media, you would hear some version of this.

1:00:52This deal is good for Iran, bad for Israel. So there's real opposition to the deal. Now, many Israelis, including the media and the politicians, muted their direct criticism of Trump. They know Trump has been very supportive in Israel in many ways, and they were not really wanting to attack him head on. But almost universally, whether it was the right, the center, the left, saying this was not a good deal. Israel has not achieved its objectives. It's still in Lebanon where it feels Hezbollah is threatening the north of the country. This was a project for Netanyahu for decades to try to undermine the Islamic leadership in Iran.

1:01:36So none of these goals have been achieved. And now they feel they've been cut out in a way that they usually are not cut out. They're still obviously talking between the U.S. and Israel, but not directly a part of this deal. Well, none of this is popular, especially with the right, the center of power now in Israel, nor is the shifting rhetoric of Donald Trump and J.D. Vance toward Iran, which is becoming a lot more friendly toward Iran's ability to defend itself. Self-Israelis don't like to hear that. Here's another one. On Thursday, Vice President J.D. Vance told the media outlet UnHerd that CENTCOM officials will meet with Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps officials in Doha, in Qatar, to resolve conflicts between the sides.

1:02:20Nancy, CENTCOM was part of a bombing campaign with Israel in which IRGC officials all over Iran were killed by the hundreds. and U.S. law defines the IRGC as a terror organization. What do you make of this announcement from Vance now that American CENTCOM will sit down at the table with the IRGC? You're absolutely right. It's an extraordinary change of tone in just a matter of months. I think very simply it acknowledges the reality that the IRGC are calling the shots inside Iran. And so I think the military regional command, U.S. Central Command, meeting with them and establishing a direct military-to-military channel tells you that both sides are worried about escalation and the threat that military escalation could pose to these talks and therefore need to talk directly despite the fact that they just fought a war with each other.

1:03:17I did want to jump in real quickly on the previous conversation about Netanyahu. I think it's worth noting how these wars have actually changed the U.S. political calculus vis-a-vis Iran. You know, the war in Gaza split the left between centrists and progressives. The war in Iran has split the right between neocons and MAGA supporters, the latter bearing the economic brunt of this and not wanting to see wars in the Middle East. And so we talk so often about how this has changed, how Israel is looking at the United States. I think we should remember that this war has also changed how the United States is looking at its relationship with Israel, particularly since Netanyahu thought that Trump would be a big supporter.

1:03:55He was enthusiastic at the start of the Trump term for what a Trump-Netanyahu relationship could bring. In fact, many years ago, Benjamin Netanyahu decided to align his future with Republicans specifically during Joe Biden's presidency, accepted Republican invitations to speak in Congress right over the head of the U.S. president. I mean, Netanyahu made this decision a long time ago. That's right. And now I don't know that that would happen because you can see Republicans grappling with the same kind of divisions that you saw on the left after Gaza. And so I find myself wondering, who would Netanyahu support in 2028 presidential election?

1:04:34And on what basis, given that there are now frictions on both sides of the aisle? Well, before we leave the region, more news. An Israeli strike killed an Al Jazeera cameraman in central Gaza this week. He was the 12th member of that network staff killed in the Gaza Strip since October of 2023. Meanwhile, two former Israeli prime ministers, former heads of Israeli security services, former judges, and a Nobel laureate, all from Israel, threatened Benjamin Netanyahu's government with legal action if it didn't take action to, quote, eradicate Jewish terrorism by both settlers and military forces in the West Bank.

1:05:13That threat was in a letter seen by The Guardian and other media outlets. Israeli violence in the occupied West Bank has intensified in recent weeks, including arson attacks on homes and mosques. A Palestinian governmental organization says 22 separate attacks on Muslim religious sites have occurred in May of 2026. Maysoon Ali is a Palestinian-American from Virginia who retired to her family home near the West Bank city of Ramallah. The home was built in 1980 by Maysoon's father. It was torched by right-wing Israeli settlers the same week as a mosque attack in another part of town. Maysoon sent us this account of what happened.

1:05:57Israeli settlers have been harassing and intimidating us for years. Last week on June 14, they broke into our property and set our house on fire while me and my husband were inside of our house. They cut and breached multiple fences that we put in place to protect ourselves from them and attempted to burn our house down. We were terrified and are still in shock. All I want is to retire peacefully in our family home that my father built decades ago. I want to plant flowers and tend to my garden without being afraid. Greg Myrie, these right-wing Israeli settlers that I mentioned are religious zealots.

1:06:42They believe the Bible gives them a claim to the land. That's what's in the DNA of these horrific attacks. You have witnessed settlements being attacked. You've witnessed settlements being torn down by the Israeli government pulling back on settlement policy. what's your perspective? Hearing that firsthand account of somebody's home being attacked, what's your perspective on what's changed? You hear this all the time. And I'll go back to when I first arrived to work there. I was in Jerusalem in 1999. I was still living out of my suitcase at the hotel. And we heard that the Israeli government was gonna take down one of these new settlements that had gone up, really just like half dozen, 10 sheds, really.

1:07:27And the military went out there. It literally dragged these Jewish settlers off of these – so the rooftops of these little sheds they had built in a place called Maun in the southern West Bank. And this was a moment when the Israelis and Palestinians were trying to negotiate. The government was trying to either stop or at least limit settlement building in the West Bank. And Maun became a place that – this happened several times. And then I was just out there last week reporting in the West Bank, and I saw a road sign that said Maoun. And I said, oh, my goodness, just a flashback to 1999. And the people I was driving with pointed out it's a huge hilltop.

1:08:07It looks like a big subdivision. There's a perception now that Netanyahu and his government aren't yanking the leash anymore, that settlers like this, not only the violence, but certainly, I mean, you witnessed the building of settlements. It's gone forward and Netanyahu is investing in the future of that land. Oh, absolutely. This is the most pro-settlement government you've seen in the history of Israel. There's about 750 ,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. This is almost 10 % of the entire Jewish population in Israel. And it's growing by the day. Big cities of 20, 30, 40 ,000 people.

1:08:44Small outposts where mobile homes are set up on hilltops. and it just keeps expanding. All right, let's leave. We will leave Israel and the West Bank and Lebanon and Hezbollah and Iran and the Gulf there for now. And we will be back to it next week. I promise you that. Let's turn to Russia's war in Ukraine, as we almost always do on the International News Roundup, and how Ukraine continues to fight back more than four years into that full-scale invasion. Ukraine's latest target, Crimea, the Ukrainian peninsula that Russia illegally annexed in 2014 at the start of this broader conflict. Jack, Kiev has been launching attacks in Crimea, hitting oil infrastructure, hitting roads.

1:09:33They've also been hitting inside Russia, oil facilities way inside the country and hitting Moscow itself. What is Ukraine's objective at this point in the war, showing Putin that they can reach out. And I say, touch him where it hurts. Yeah. Volodymyr Zelensky is calling this a long range sanctions plan. It's his way of putting the thumb on the scale to try and get Vladimir Putin back to the negotiating table and shake the Russian economy. And you have to remember, of course, this is a war that's largely been fought, almost entirely fought on Ukrainian soil. You've had millions of Ukrainians forced to leave their homes.

1:10:06Now, Zelensky trying to bring the pain to 500 ,000 to 800 ,000 Russian settlers that have followed the illegal annexation of Crimea to make that point, Todd, that yes, I can bring pain to Russian soil or Russian occupied territories. Well, Nancy, now that Ukraine is hitting Crimea and deep inside Russia and Moscow itself, Vladimir Putin appears ready to talk, or at least he says he is. Putin said he'd restart talks with Ukraine facilitated by Turkey. However, he also continued to refer to Ukraine as run by neo-Nazis. Those two countries haven't met face to face for direct talks since May of 2025.

1:10:44where do those negotiations stand and what would it mean for Putin to agree to talk to Kyiv now, sponsored by Turkey? So the important reference that he's making is that he wants to go back to the Istanbul 2022 talks. As you noted, he's trying to appear that he's open, that he's flexible, but I think in many ways he's actually signaling the opposite by tying it to Istanbul 2022 or even 2025. You know, this comes at a time when we've heard the Trump administration suggest more support for Ukraine than they have in the past. So I think he's trying to look reasonable, Putin, without making concessions.

1:11:20I think he's also testing Trump's appetite for a deal. And I also think he's responding to the changing battlefield space that Jack described so beautifully happening inside Ukraine. And so I think what he is trying to tell the world more than anything is he's open to talks in a way that doesn't reflect today's battlefield realities but rather the time period when he, Putin, perceives that he had the biggest advantage vis-a-vis this war. Greg, what's your read on Putin's, well, maybe not so new posture here given that Ukraine can launch attacks deep inside his territory? Yeah, the Ukrainians see this as a stalling tactic.

1:12:02And they've said this all along in the previous rounds that Putin will, when he's in trouble or feeling a little off balance, he'll propose some talks as a way to buy some time, as a way to stall, but not actually go forward with anything. And I'm sure that's exactly how the Ukrainians are viewing this. Jack, you're getting ready to head out to NATO, what'd you say, July 7th? July 7th and 8th. Where's that going on this year? That's going to be in Ankara and Turkey. And Trump himself is saying the only reason he's going is because Mark Rutte is going to be there and because Erdogan will be there.

1:12:34Ah, meanwhile, Putin says he wants to negotiate through Turkey, probably maybe no coincidence there. Well, it brings us back then to Ukraine, Russia and the G7 because Donald Trump seems to have noticed, as we were talking about before the break, that Ukraine has had a better last few months fighting Russia. During meetings at the G7 in France, Trump was reportedly impressed by Ukraine's recent long-range drone strikes into Russia. He met with Volodymyr Zelensky, president of Ukraine, during that summit. Secretary of State Margot Rubio told a Senate committee earlier this month that Russia might not militarily ever achieve the political and geographic concessions that they're asking for in peace negotiations should they ever happen.

1:13:22Trump has also said at the G7 that the U.S. had nothing to do with this war, and his administration hasn't pushed for money for Ukraine since he came into office. A lot of mixed messaging here, Jack. You're headed off to Ankara. You're headed off to NATO. What's going to be the talk? What are you looking for from NATO leaders as they meet in Ankara with this war raging on their eastern front? Well, NATO is getting ready at this summit to make a fresh$70 billion aid, military aid pledge to Ukraine. That's going to be aid across the board. But the big issue is trying to get air defense to the Ukrainians.

1:13:58Those Patriot missiles that were promised by Germany two years ago still haven't shown up. So trying to get those gears sort of turning and you're going to watch the sidelines very carefully. Ukraine's been working hard to try and isolate Donald Trump, right, and trying to pressure him on the drone deal that's been ongoing between the United States and the Ukrainians. They've set up joint ventures with the Germans on drones. They set them up with the Canadians. They've set up missile factories in Sweden as well. So I think the objective for the Ukrainians is going to be to try and encircle the United States with allies that are favorable to Ukraine so they can get pressure to now get funding from the United States for these drone ventures and other deals.

1:14:36Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, he liked it when Donald Trump was consistently making pro-Russia statements for years of this war. Now he says that the U.S. is stepping away from being, quote, an objective mediator. I think Russia would like to get Donald Trump back in the fold, or at least it sounds like it. Yeah, I think we're a long way from when Putin doodled three plus two, the math that he wanted for Ukrainian territories, three territories given away, two frozen on the front lines and getting it sent over to Donald Trump. Now the Ukrainians have a lot of leverage. They were able to stop successfully that Russian spring offensive.

1:15:13The problem for them is going to be getting this air defense in time as winter picks up in Ukraine. The Russians are going to be targeting using the same strategy, the energy, the infrastructure, trying to will Ukraine into submission. Well, Britain, the UK, will have representatives at the NATO conference. Jack, you'll see them there. I'm going to guess that one of them won't be Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Why? Because he's announced that he's resigning after his own Labour Party turned on him. Every decision I've taken has been about putting the country I love first. That is why I will resign as leader of the Labour Party.

1:15:53Well, Starmer spent a lot of his short time as prime minister on foreign affairs and security issues. After Starmer announced his resignation, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky thanked him on X. Greg Myrie, what does this resignation mean for Ukraine and the security partnerships that the U.K. has solidified with France and Germany now that the U.K. is in more political turmoil? Well, we have seen Europe step up as the U.S. has stepped back. In particular, Britain, France, and Germany have done more to help Ukraine. They haven't replaced everything that the U.S. was providing in terms of dollar for dollar.

1:16:32They don't have some of the resources that the U.S. can do, but they have stepped up. Now, we'll have to see how a new labor government in Britain responds. The expectation is they'll probably follow pretty similar paths. Europe is playing this significant role, and this has worked well for Ukraine as it's developed its approach to Russia. Well, Andy Burnham is the Labour favourite to replace Keir Starmer, possibly as soon as mid-July. Burnham, who's been the mayor of Greater Manchester, he's also called King of the North. A little Game of Thrones reference there. He won a seat in Parliament last week.

1:17:14That's a prerequisite for challenging Starmer. Prime Minister, you've got to be a minister, so you've got to be elected to the Parliament. He was sworn in on Monday. I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors according to law. So help me God. All the way from down in his chest there, Nancy Youssef, who is Andy Burnham? So he is in his 40s and he was, as you noted, the mayor of Greater Manchester. And he celebrated there because he was seen as really getting through pragmatic changes inside the UK, in that city, in a country that's really very centralized.

1:17:57He has a reputation of kind of connecting emotionally with voters, and he has the advantage of pointing to tangible successes. I also think he's entering office as a change candidate, even though he is leading the same party and actually has been in government before. And so he comes in with the promise of being able to break through some of these log jams that prematurely injured Starmer's premiership. But he also faces a lot of the same challenges, a sagging economy, chronically under-invested public services, and an increasingly powerful populist movement inside the UK. He'll also face the imminent decision about how much to spend on defense.

1:18:40Starmer had put forth a defense budget that called for more spending and actually led to the resignation of his defense minister. It remains to be seen whether his successor could do the same thing. But he's coming in with a lot more enthusiasm, I think, and personality relative to his predecessor, but also facing a lot of the same challenges, structural challenges inside the UK. You put your finger on something important here, Nancy, which is that Reform UK, populist right-wing movement, let's call it the UK's version of MAGA. I think Nigel Farage would be happy with that comparison. They are leading in the polls.

1:19:12Labor is unpopular. Andy Burnham better be running as a change candidate because his party's fortune are in the tank right now. And they're a month from an election probably. Or a little more. That's right. Many see Burnham as the last hope of stopping reform from coming in, that if he can't bring in these changes, if he can't convince the UK voters that he can bring about the promises that labor has been making year after year after year, that it's actually a wide opening for reform to come in after him. Well, this week marks 10 years in the UK since, you know where I'm going with this, Brexit, when the UK voted to leave the European Union.

1:19:55Since then, the post-Brexit era in the UK has chewed through six prime ministers. Andy Burnham will be the seventh. Here's Politico's Jack Blanchard on 1A ahead of Burnham's win. There is a sense of perpetual chaos now in British politics. We used to be a country which was famed for its tediously boring politics in many ways. That is no longer the case. A country that changes prime ministers six or seven times in a decade is clearly not a happy one. Is this Italy? That's the question a lot of Brits seem to be asking themselves. You can listen to that full show, by the way, from last Thursday about Andy Burnham and the future of British politics on the website at the1a.org.

1:20:38Jack Detch, every prime minister has had to grapple with the aftermath of Brexit, deep disagreements within their own political parties over how to deal with it. Also rising anti-Semitism in the UK, which is a major force on both sides of the aisle, but especially in labor. How has Brexit helped destabilize British politics? Well, I don't think we have enough time in the seven minutes remaining to go through all of the blow by blow. But if you're 10 years old, right, you've lived through six British prime ministers. And the biggest thing has been uncertainty from Brexit. It's destabilized the British economy.

1:21:14It's forced the UK to reassess its global trade relationships. And that uncertainty has cascaded onto the economy, onto politics. It's caused fissures in the two-party system that have led to the rise of movements like reform and Nigel Farage. It's directly forced out some of these prime ministers, not all of them. There have been personnel issues. There was Partygate under Bojo, of course. You had a turnover from the conservatives back to labor, and you had personnel issues under Keir Starmer as well that were the decisive issue for him, not Brexit. But still, it's just created this era of rapid leadership turnover, uncertainty, instability in Britain.

1:21:54Greg Myra, your thoughts on Brits feeling a little all too Italian right now and not in a good way? Yeah. If you've gotten tired of following all the twists and turns of British politics but want to stay a little bit informed, the best way is follow Larry the cat on X. Larry is a real cat who has the run of the place at 10 Downing Street, and he's been posting regularly on the latest turnover in British politics saying he may not even bother to learn the name of the next prime minister. And when they put out the podium for Keir Starmer to resign, he said, it's either time for a new British prime minister or else I'm getting a new scratching post.

1:22:34I mean, not bothering to learn the name of the new PM is usually the joke for the king or the queen, right? Because they have to tramp through and pledge their allegiance. Larry the cat is seen enough. Larry the cat is the consistent sovereign. No shade, King Charles, but we're cat lovers around here at 1A. All right, we leave the UK there. We will be back. We will be back to cover the fortunes of Keir Starmer's party as he leaves the scene. Before we get to the end of the hour, we check in on the devastating earthquakes in Venezuela. People search for survivors beneath collapsed buildings and rescue teams race to northern areas rocked by a pair of powerful earthquakes some miles, about 80 miles west of Caracas, maybe a little bit more than that.

1:23:25Thousands are feared dead from the 7.2 and 7.5 magnitude earthquakes that struck on Wednesday evening among the strongest in Venezuela in more than a century. Arminda Gomez lost several relatives in the quake. I lost my daughter, my grandson, and my granddaughter, who was due to be born in a month. Please help me find my daughter and see if she's under the rubble. Please.

1:23:54We'll continue to follow the aftermath of that disaster in Venezuela in the coming days here on 1A. Meanwhile, other places in Latin America, two right-wing candidates win election in Peru and Colombia. First in Colombia, Trump-endorsed candidate claimed victory this week. Abelardo de Esprea was elected president in Colombia on Sunday by a narrow margin. Born in Colombia, holds citizenships in the United States and in Italy. His campaign focused on crime modeled after Nayib Bukele in El Salvador and Javier Millet in Argentina. Again, got the Trump endorsement before his election. Meanwhile, in Peru, right-wing candidate Keiko Fujimori won election.

1:24:44She'll become the nation's first female president. Her election victory 26 years after her late father, if the name Fujimori sounds familiar, her late father, President Alberto Fujimori, removed from office. He led Peru for 10 years. Then he was convicted of human rights abuses and extrajudicial killings in 2009, sent to prison. Nancy Youssef, what can we take away from these far-right victories in Latin America? Trump endorsed, at least in one case, Trump exerting influence in the region in both Peru and in Colombia. so I think this is less about ideology than just frustration in both countries about crime economic stagnation corruption and and political leads who have failed to deliver I mean in one instance we have somebody who's never held political office in the case of Colombia and then the other someone associated with a name um that has had a divisive um effect if nothing else And yet in both countries, I think we're hearing people say we want change agents.

1:25:46I think Trump's a factor, but not the deciding factor. And actually, I think his biggest factor is sort of how he's reshaped campaigning in both cases, people taking on more Trump-like styles. And Trump-like tactics in their campaigns. We saw that also in campaigns in Brazil several years ago, MAGA-like movements there as well. All right, before we go, I do want to take a quick minute and get a read of your reporter's notebook stories that you're looking for that are going to be important to us next week. Why don't each of you take just a quick minute for a quick thought of what you're working on, Nancy.

1:26:16You go first. Well, I know you said stick to international issues, but are we – I mean there might be a similar – What are you? Travis, Kelsey wedding this week, you know. And the other thing I'm watching, though, in our area is travel on July 4th because I think it'll be a tangible measure of how people are looking at their economic stability in this post-memorant of understanding war with Iran. And so I'm really watching that as a metric of how economically confident people are feeling. Greg Maury, what's in your notebook? What should we be watching for? Yeah, I know we touched on Russia and Ukraine, but I'm headed to Ukraine next month for an extended reporting trip and did not expect to see Crimea under so much pressure from the Ukrainians and the Russians in such a difficult position of fuel, food, other shortages there.

1:27:06So I think I'll be very focused on Crimea when I'm there. A month in Tel Aviv heading to Crimea next. Apologies to Greg Myrie's neighbors who mow his lawn in September. Jack Detch, what about you? Well, after all this talk of British memes, I'm going to order a head of cabbage to see how long Andy Burnham lasts at 10 Downing Street, a la Liz Truss. But NATO Secretary General Mark Ruta, not calling Trump daddy this week, but still a very ingratiating tone towards the president. We'll see if that rubs off on the Europeans this time at NATO. All right. I want to thank our great panel. Hey, we're talking international news and international vibes here on the roundup.

1:27:43We cannot end the roundup this week without some of the stunning news out of the World Cup. It's FIFA, of course. The highest hopes, the heartbreak, and one majestic hat trick. Messi, Messi, Messi! Goal!

1:28:03Yes, with that goal against Algeria last week, Lionel Messi tied Germany's Miroslav close for the record. 16 World Cup goals. Messi's 39. That made him the oldest player ever to score a hat trick at the World Cup. And he did it exactly 20 years to the day since his first goal at the World Cup. And then after that, he broke that record with his 17th and 18th goals this past Monday against Austria. Now, there's a lot of tournament to go, including the United States, through to the knockout round facing Bosnia, Herzegovina, next. Don't miss it. Go Team USA. We're covering the World Cup next week here on 1A.

1:28:47And in the meantime, big thanks to Greg Myrie of NPR, Nancy Youssef at The Atlantic, and Jack Detch at Politico. Mike Kidd is our sound designer and engineer. Chris Castano is our digital editor. Maya Garg is our senior managing producer. Alexander Botee is our senior supervising producer. Aileen Humphries is our senior producer and editor of 1A On Demand. And Thomas Liu produces our podcast. Special thanks this week to Matthew Simonson for additional On Demand support. This program comes to you from WAMU, part of American University in Washington, distributed by NPR. I'm Todd Zwilich. This is 1A.

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