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22:28walks. Um, that really started the unraveling of my masculine, but, um, yeah, you know, becoming a coach and doing yoga and Pilates and moving to Los Angeles and not being in the city anymore. Like a lot of, there was a lot of unraveling during that period of time, but yeah, this time last year, I was still, you know, even though I'm a coach and even though I live in LA and even though I do yoga and Pilates, like I definitely still think there was a masculine shell that I was operating, you know, underneath without even realizing like it was still there. It was still very much there. Um, and yeah, I don't think I even fully realized it at the time, you know?

23:16So it, there, there was still a lot of doing, there was still a lot of forcing and pushing, even though it was things that were productive, let's say for my overall health and vitality, it was waking up early and like having to do breath work and having to meditate and having to go to yoga and having to hit 10 ,000 steps a day. It was still me being in my masculine, even though I had softened so much, it was still very much present within my life. I feel like that's so common, you know, where this transition going from like hyper-masculine,

23:55Lindsey Simcik:especially in masculine structures like New York City, like finance, all the things. And then when you have this awakening and kind of step more into a more spacious, spiritual, flowy life, but you still have that like program within you to schedule it and have your list and, you know, do all the things. So I really relate. But I'm curious just for people listening, because I think a lot of people are going through their Saturn return and are approaching their Saturn return. What did it look like for you? What did that spiritual awakening look like? Oh, yeah. I, you know, I had been a self-proclaimed type A overachiever.

24:39I grew up in Canada. I went to an Ivy League school. I was like, I'm going to work in Silicon Valley for a tech startup. I'm going to get my MBA. It's Stanford or Harvard. I'm going to work in venture capital. And I created this whole narrative around what my path was going to be. And even though I had healed myself through all the modalities I was using, even though in my free time, I spent all my free time practicing and studying holistic health and healing, I had told myself that that's not a viable path. And in between the tech job and starting the job in venture capital, I had a month off and I had left New York to move back to be in Canada for the holidays because I was moving to LA for that job.

25:24And during that space, because it was COVID, I had to quarantine in Canada for two weeks. When you went back to Canada, you had to quarantine for two weeks. And in that emptiness, I was started to feel this discomfort of like, I don't think that this is what I'm meant to be doing. Like really this feeling of contraction in my body. I'm a sacral authority. And I didn't even know what that was at the time, but felt the contraction in my whole state of being. And yeah, I think there was, I had a coaching session that was really transformative for me during that window. I had heard someone speak on a podcast, reached out to him.

26:08He didn't have room. And then I ended up... Was it Heath? Mm-hmm. Heath? No, not Heath. His name is Ben Harris. And it just kind of came into my field at the perfect time. And through that session and through my own sort of sitting with myself during that window of time, I realized that I was living for everyone else's expectations of me. And I wasn't actually living for me. And, you know, I had a lot of pressure around me since a very young age. I felt like I had to earn love. And so that resulted in me being a perfectionist and being a performer and I need to achieve and please everyone and perform and be perfect.

26:50And that really just caught up to me. And I realized, wow, I'm not even living the life that I want right now. and I yeah I came out of that call and realized that I was really trying to live for my dad and to get his approval and just had a conversation with him and he was just like I just I just want you to be happy you know and there was camp coming out of that it just became so clear it was just like, I just need to live the life that's meant for me. I love this line. The only reward for conformity is that everyone likes you, but yourself. I love that you immediately had a conversation with your dad.

27:38Usually people like process and like cycle and they're like, they kind of like do that. They don't do that even. Are you close with your dad? Is that what made it easy? Yeah, we're really close. And it was like, I was in the house. I had done the call and he was in the house. Right. So I came out of that experience realizing that that was, yeah, that conversation needed to happen. I was starting the venture capital job the next day. I quit the job the day later. Wow. You only did one day. Yeah. No way. Wow. One day. And also too, just like how that one call changed everything. Like that's the thing with coaching or like, it is so powerful.

28:19Like it just can completely reframe or like change your perspective on anything. And I wanted to say one other thing about, about the situation. It's so interesting because what I've noticed and in my behavioral science studies of watching love is blind and love violent and all these shows, I've also noticed that so often people have these deep perceptions of their parents and what their parents think that they should do. And then when they actually confront their parents of like, you always want me to be a doctor or a lawyer or whatever. The parents are like, I just want you to be happy. Like 99 % of the time, the parents are like, I actually just wanted you to be happy.

28:57And I'm not saying that your reality or the beliefs you have that tell you that your parents want you to be something successful, whatever, are not real. But it's really interesting that when you truly confront it and you're like, do you want this for me? And they're just like, no, actually, I just want you to be happy. You're like I've been living my entire 30 years of my life trying to get a master's degree and trying to do all this stuff. And it's also a reckoning for them.

29:19Lindsey Simcik:I'm sure. You've been taking on all of this pressure. You know, most parents are like, no, man, just they like don't. I'm sure they don't process. But I can imagine that like there was like you're saying, like very real. My dad was the same way where there's just kind of this narrative and like this story fed into us from a very young age. Totally. I didn't have the conversation, but I think he would have said the same thing. Like, I just love you. I want you to be happy. I want you to do what you love. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. So true. Totally. But there, yeah, there was, I mean, since I was two, I was, yeah, I felt that pressure.

29:55I was the star child. Like I got straight A's in school. I was on every sports team. I was the lead of every school play. And it just sort of like it, yeah, that pressure just sort of built up over the years and got to a point where. Well, creates this identity and that part of you realizes how it gets love and how it gets attention. Totally. I don't think my parents thought I was going to be anything. So I think that was a benefit to me. You know what I mean?

30:19Lindsey Simcik:Your mom thought you were going to be a lawyer. I thought I was going to be a lawyer politician because I'm a good liar. So that was, that was her sights for me as an amazing liar.

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34:41Yeah. Productivity. Yeah. What would you, would you say that's right? Yeah. Maybe not people pleasing. I'm, yeah, I'm very like good at advocating for my needs and communicating my needs. So maybe not that as much, but yes, definitely. Like I remember going to Hoffman and I don't know if either of you have and going through all the patterns. It was like the, that, the, the category around perfectionism and achievement. And I was like, check, check, check, check, check. You're like, you're like cross-preferencing it with your diary. You're like, wait a second. Cause they have different categories.

35:15Right. And you start to feel into like what categories are most relevant for me. And I was like, this one I'm checking on every single one. And so when you had that awakening with the coach and then you talk to your dad, I guess how, why, how was it so easy for you to make moves? Like a lot of people have to really like, they, they find something out and then they're scared and they're anxious. And then they like, like what made you act so quickly? Yeah, it is interesting because in other points of my life, like I've thought something and it maybe there was a window of time between ideation and action where like you think something and then, but I think it had built up over so many years.

35:54Like there were, when I was in tech, I remember, I think saying that I wanted to do IIN, like wanting to do a health coaching program to my dad and my dad was like, well, what are you going to do with that? Or like, what, like, what's the point? You know? And so there was this deep desire to be, I was helping people at my company with health. Like I, there was this deep knowing and desire that I wanted to do this. And I think it took getting the dream quote unquote job. Like I got the job in venture capital that I would have wanted to get after business school. And I was like, got the dream job.

36:31And I felt this deep emptiness that I think there was no, there was no other choice, you know? And yeah, I'm super, you know, looking back, I, that leap was so hard to take and I'm so proud of myself for actually tuning into my sacral, tuning into my intuition and just feeling the fear and doing it anyway, because, and it didn't stop there, you know, for years after a year or two years after, I still felt my ego come back in and be like, wait, no, you should be in venture capital or what are you doing? Or my dad making comments that would bring me back into, yeah, that kind of ego driven place.

37:14But, um, yeah, like I, I think in that moment, I just, it had been built up for so long that I just knew that I had to take that leap and there was no other option. Powerful.

37:25Lindsey Simcik:What was it like to go from kind of a short thing, a short paycheck, you know, that kind of stability into more of an unknown, into something that you were going to build that wasn't guaranteed right away? Yeah. Because I think a lot of people struggle with that, especially related to money. A hundred percent. And I think there is kind of a journey that I I think both of us have been on and a lot of people out there have been on related to like our relationship with money and kind of like the masculine feminine pull and how we kind of play with those energies around money. Yeah, that's a really good question.

38:04I was in a really unique position because it was COVID. I was supposed to move to LA for that venture capital job. I had an apartment here already. My stuff was already in LA, but when I quit that job, I was home in Canada. I had started remotely because they were like, don't fly yet. COVID's really bad. And I canceled my lease. I think I paid a month's rent. I got a moving company to move my stuff back to Canada. And I actually lived in Canada for a full year at home. And keep in mind, I had left home when I was 17 to go to Cornell. So I hadn't been in Canada and I was, it was COVID. I was living at home.

38:45I wasn't paying rent. I wasn't paying for like going to restaurants. I wasn't buying clothes. I wasn't doing anything. It was, it was, I mean, in Canada, especially it was quarantine. So I had, yeah, I had, and a lot happened over that year. I broke up with someone, my dog died suddenly of a heart attack. So I was like, I was trying to build, but I was also really in it. Like that was just the first thing of many different things that happened over the course of that year. So yeah, during that period, I was home, but I wasn't really spending any money. And I did have savings that I could kind of use to support myself during that window of time.

39:25But when I moved to LA the year later, I actually consulted for a health tech company like 10 to 15 hours a week. And that gave me, you know, I actively said, okay, these two days a week are going to be this job. And then these these remaining three days are going to be me building my business. And it gave me the financial stability to be able to move to LA and get an apartment and pay rent and be in Venice, which is obviously more expensive. And that then propelled me into being able to launch my business. So I think, yeah, I think everyone's in a different situation. COVID was very unique to be transitioning during that window gave me an advantage because I didn't have to spend that much money.

40:09But yeah, I think everyone does things differently. I think like, you know, I think if I were to do it again now and I was just living in the world, I would probably start something on the side while working and then also actively trying to save and have like six to 12 months of runway. Because I think energetically for me, I had to fully step like, yeah, I personally think that energetically I had to fully step away from my old life to be able to start what I wanted to start. And I don't think that had I been working full time, I would have energetically had the capacity to build something new, you know, and everyone's different in that way.

40:50We always say, I think, I forget how many months of runway we had when we quit, but yeah, I think because I'd quit like unsuccessfully before without a plan financially to try and pursue my dreams, it helped get more structure and form to quitting the next time. And it was like, there's like a very whimsical romanticized, like quit your job, follow your dreams. And if you have the nervous system capacity to hold that fucking rock on. But I did not like money for me is still a little, a wood chip in my nervous system of like safety. And so I needed to have like months of like safety set. And I think it is so smart for people to be super like in the masculine and a healthy way.

41:37If you are thinking about pursuing your passions and your jobs, like you have to think about money. Like how much do you have? Like how much are you spending a month? And I think for me, at least that kind of went in willy nilly where I was like, I'll figure it out. Like I'll end up spending more, but like, I didn't really have a genuine understanding of that. So I think it's really super smart that you got a job in the industry that was close to it. I think it's smart that you saved money by staying at home. Like, I do think that's such a good idea. What did the relationship that you broke up, so you broke up with someone and then your dog passed away.

42:05What did the relationship ending, how did that propel you forward? Like, was that a necessary ending of an identity or what was that like? I, yeah. Was it a college one? No, we, we dated in Montreal during, during COVID in Mont-Tremblant where I was living at the time, which is like a ski town north of Montreal. all. And, um, yeah, we, we dated during COVID and obviously it was COVID. So it got pretty intense, pretty fast, but yeah, I broke up with him and then a week, eight or nine days later, and it was so hard for me to do. It was, it was a very tough, it was a pretty toxic relationship, but I knew that I had to end it.

42:47Didn't make it any easier. And then eight days later or nine days later, my dog, my golden retriever Tommy died suddenly of a heart attack at my feet. He had a tumor on his heart called an angiosarcoma, which, which we didn't know about. And he just died at my feet. Um, and looking back at the time, I didn't really have a deep spiritual practice and I was just so in it that I couldn't understand like, what is the gift or what is the opportunity here. But looking back, it feels like breaking up with that boyfriend at the time and my dog dying suddenly actually freed me to move to Los Angeles. Because I think deep down, I was kind of nervous to switch my dog's environment at the time.

43:33I was like, oh my God, moving across the country into a new city. Like, I don't know that I can do that to him. How am I going to bring him on the plane? And I feel like he was like, no, you go. You go, like, spread your wings and soar and you go live the life that's meant for you. And yeah, I was kind of stripped down to nothing. Like all I had was me. And so at that point, after I went through that, the processing and grief of all of that, I came out on the other side and I was like, you know, I can move and I can live the life that I want now. And yeah, it really freed me to do that.

44:08Lindsey Simcik:That's beautiful. In terms of, you know, ending that relationship and kind of knowing that it was toxic. Were there any, like, was there any processing that you felt like you needed to do in the wake of that? Or just, I guess I'm, I'm kind of walking towards, you know, where you are now, where like, I feel, I feel like you're in such a healthy relationship. So it's like, how do we get from maybe being attracted to or like that more toxic? What was that like? The toxic was our boy. Yeah. I mean, yeah, definitely narcissistic tendencies. And I, I did date a lot of transparently, yeah. Emotionally unavailable men over the years, over my years flavor.

45:01Yeah. Favorite flavor. Um, I have enough emotions for the both of us like preceding that relationship when I was living in San Francisco, New York, and then even moving to LA and, um, starting my life here, I still was, I would say self-identified as, you know, more, more of an anxious type, um, dated emotionally unavailable men. And I think, Like, again, it comes back to earning love, like feeling need to, like I need to perform and please and be perfect to be loved and to earn love. And yeah, I went through a lot of deep inner work and coaching to really unravel myself from that. So I worked with an attachment coach for probably almost a year.

45:49And then, you know, I went to Hoffman. I studied Kabbalah. I worked with a masculine feminine polarity coach. Like, I mean, that's only a small snippet of the work that I've done. So yeah, it required a lot of self-awareness to be like, this is, this is a recurring pattern and problem. And like, what is it within me that I need to change? How can I grow, evolve and shift in order to attract what I'm looking to attract? And that requires a lot of accountability and self-awareness and responsibility to like take that ownership. I think, you know, we see a lot of women who are like, there's no men in San Francisco.

46:28There's no men in LA. There's no men in New York. Like, and I don't think that's true. I think in that situation, if you're in this situation where you're not attracting the type of partner that you want to attract, take a moment to take a step back and say like, what is it within me that is calling this into my reality? Um, and so, yeah, I, you know, I took a step back. I didn't, I didn't date. Oh my God. I didn't, before I met my current partner, I didn't date for 18 months. Wow. Not even dipped a toe in the pool. Nope. Nothing. Zero. Wow. Nothing. How was that? It was, it was good because I think I really came to a place of feeling wholeness within myself, you know, and just being like, I love myself.

47:14I love my life. I love my friends. I love, Yeah. And just like this feeling of, yeah, on a Sunday, just being alone and waking up and going to the farmer's market and going on a hike and going to the beach and then doing yoga and having dinner and just being like, I just love spending time with me. And I needed that to then be ready for the partner that I called in. So what's one thing you learned from your attachment coach and what's one thing you learned from the masculine and feminine polarity coach?

47:54Yeah, I think on the attachment side, let's see. Yeah, I think it's interesting, right? It's hard to self-identify as anxious attached. and what do you mean I don't I don't know I think I think I think what came up during that was I had self-identified as anxious attached you know and she would say to me no like you're I don't think you're you're moving away from that but I think what's really coming up is this situation is making you anxious. Oh, interesting. And that's valid. Any woman in your situation being treated this way or like being ghosted or being left behind would be anxious in your situation.

48:50And so it kind of... Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Like it just takes the pressure off of you being anxious to touch. Like it made it that, oh no, this situation is actually what's making me anxious rather than, oh, I'm anxious attached. It's on me. There's something wrong with you. Yeah. There's something wrong with me. It was really, oh, the situation is making me anxious.

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49:45Just on that piece, it's so interesting within dating because there's so many times where it's like it's on you of what you're attracting and what you're calling in. But then there is a lot where I've realized where it's like, it's not about you always like that kind of liberated you to be like, Oh, actually this like settling in your nervous system of like, okay, I'm not insane. I don't need to continue to adjust and try and fix myself and change myself to make this situation work or make this work. It's like freeze you from the feeling like you need to continue to fix yourself and like something is wrong with you.

50:20And so that is really liberating for anyone listening. It's like, if you feel like you are anxious, maybe it is a situation where the situation is not providing you even a space to heal, you know, like you could have anxious attachment in your container and it could still be a place where you could heal, but a lot of times it's probably going to make it worse or exacerbate it. Totally. Yeah. And I think, yeah, it's this kind of, we, if we're in this, we want this growth and development. it can actually be to a detriment. I feel like sometimes because we're like always trying to fix, we're always trying to improve or always trying to, and yeah.

51:01So just to, as you said, like it took a lot of pressure off of me to then realize, oh, it's actually just this situation and being in this container would make anyone anxious. Um, just helped to alleviate pressure there. And yeah, I think the masculine feminine polarity coach hit this corresponded with the plant medicine ceremony that I'm happy to talk about, but, um, yeah, just like realizing that the feminine wasn't something that I needed to find or chase or like builds. Yeah. It's like something that was actually already within me. And it's interesting, right? Because my work in detoxification is about stripping away the physical blockages in your body to come back to your true essence, which is love and light and expansion and abundance and freedom.

52:01And, and that's what the work is. And it's the same thing in the mental, emotional, spiritual realm. It's about stripping away your fears and blocks and traumas and patterns to come back to your true essence. And yeah, it was this realization that that was already within me and it was about stripping away those hyper-masculine shells and that I had created to protect myself to come back to that, that essence within me. So that started a journey of a lot of um, ego dissolving and unraveling and shedding, um, to, to come to who I am today.

52:43Lindsey Simcik:Yeah. And so can you tell us kind of the story or leading up to when you met your current partner and just kind of what that, how it felt different and just, yeah. Yeah. Your, your understanding of kind of why this came into your field now. Yeah. Well, I'll give a little context, um, that leads up to meeting him. So yeah, I was working with this coach and I, I went to Costa Rica. I was a very, again, sacral authority driven trip to go work with this doctor to do detox. And the purpose of that trip was to learn and expand my knowledge for my work. And I did a 14-day fast in the jungle in Costa Rica.

53:37Had no intention of plant medicine during that trip. But on day 11, I sat with peyote. And during that ceremony, I connected with motherhood. So I gave birth. I was with my kids. They were young. They were old. All the important mothers of my life were in the field during that trip, during that ceremony, excuse me. And when I came out of that, that masculine shell that I had created for myself had completely dissolved. Like I came out of that a completely different person. And coming back from that trip in LA, I had a difficult time with the integration. I kind of felt like... I remember when you came back, you're like, I'm hiking for 12 hours today.

54:30I was like, enjoy. My soul had expanded and it felt like my physical body hadn't caught up to the expansion I experienced in my soul. And it was so uncomfortable. um but in that discomfort I had a vision of going on a camper van trip so I started dreaming about being in a camper van multiple nights in a row I started I was hiking I hike a lot um and I would have a vision of being in this camper van and I had never been in a camper van in my life

55:14and you're like in the dream you're like making a mansion yeah and I remember at our dinner at my house we had a girls dinner at the house and I said to the girls a group of 10 girls I was like guys I I have this vision of going on this camper van trip and I think I'm gonna do it like I think I'm gonna and everyone was super supportive and like do it you know and yeah that's what's cool about LA is like in other towns, they'd be like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? Everyone's like, rock off. They're like, I have that vision. Like sound sick sister. Um, yeah, it's yeah. So I, I had, I was home in Canada in July and I booked a trip to leave at the end of August to go for like six weeks and booked like a really cool sprinter van.

56:00And, um, yeah, I had met someone at my, our mutual friend's wedding the year before, um, his name's Santi and he, he was nomadic for many years. So as I was gearing up for this trip, I, I was freaking out because I was like, I'm going on this, in this camper, you have to figure out so many different things. Like you have to figure out the water and the RV dump and all these little intricacies. And he was nomadic. So I hit him up to have him help and he helped me and we had met at the wedding and we had connected there, but nothing romantic at all kind of came up during that period. And yeah, we started voice noting and chatting because I was just so overwhelmed leading up to the trip.

56:46He was helping me with my itinerary and helping me figure out all the intricacies of the van and what to pack and all these things. And we kept in touch and left on that trip at the end of August, drove all the way up to Wyoming and he was kind of making, he, he was in Canada and making his way down to Mexico. And, um, yeah, basically we met up in Wyoming and don't want to like go through the whole story, but after a couple of weeks of spending time together here and there, um, fell in love and ended up traveling the American West together for like, I ended, I extended my trip like two weeks. So it must've been like 30 to 35 days straight.

57:33We were together. Um, and then he moved in to my house. So yeah. But, um, what was it like at the beginning when you first met? Were you like, this is it? Were you like, this is it? Like, what was the feeling like? Yeah. So to answer your original question, cause I just said, I think you said like, what did that feel like? Like, how is that different from any other person you've ever dated? And it was interesting because at the beginning, I didn't see, like, I didn't see it in a romantic way at the beginning. It just felt, you know, I think when you're previously have dated a lot of emotionally unavailable men, there is this like toxic pull that you sort of get used to that you have to unravel yourself from.

58:21It's like a nervous system hit. Yeah, it's a nervous system dysregulation. It's like a, and that isn't, that's lust. That's not love. And it's, that's something else I learned with that attachment coach. It was like, there needs to be an unraveling from that feeling. So I think when I met him and we hung out, it just felt so useful. It just felt like a friend that I had already had for 15 to 20 years, you know, and we were just hanging out and we were, he was in his sprinter. I was in mine. We would like cook dinner by a lake or go hiking or yeah, meet up to watch the sunset. And we ended up making our way to Colorado.

59:00This was before we kind of transitioned over romantically, but we had a weekend in Steamboat Springs and just like hiked and laughed and it just felt so easeful. And I think I hadn't fully like realized yet, like, oh, this is what it's supposed to feel like. Yeah. Just this like safety, this, yeah, this feeling like I am held, I am safe, I am secure, I am supported. I'm seen, you know, and I don't think I had ever felt that way before with someone. and so yeah there was there was like a a window of time where things shifted I was I had actually we had been apart for a week I was in Aspen with a friend and he was elsewhere and I think during that window of time of being apart like I realized like this is this is exactly how I want to feel and yeah I mean I it's so cliche when they say like it should be easy but it's like it's really when you actually feel that and you experience it for the first time, you really understand what that means because it's just, it's just so different and it's exactly how it's meant to be, you know?

1:00:15And I think that's the key for people and something I wish I had just realized so much, like so long ago, it's just so, it's just so simple. Like, do you feel safe and secure in your body? Like, do you feel nervous system regulated or do you feel anxious? Do you feel dysregulated? Do you feel like you can't sleep and can't eat? Like if the, if that's the category of relationship that you're in, then it's not it. And it's just that it's that simple. I feel like to really like check in with yourself and ask that question.

1:00:51Lindsey Simcik:I think it's really key. Especially, such a beautiful story. And I feel like especially it just illustrates the beginning of how it should feel. Cause like life's going to life and you're going to have hard times and challenges and it's not always going to feel easeful. But I do feel like, you know, people, I hear from a lot of my friends and listeners where it's like the beginning stages of dating just feel so anxiety ridden. And there's like all this unknown and like, I don't know if they're going to call me and sending mixed messages and like all of that. Just that like complicated, anxious, like baseline is not it.

1:01:29Lindsey Simcik:So what you're describing is just that like ease and that peace. And I felt the same with my husband and I'm sure you feel the same in your relationship where like, it's almost like there's a moment where you're like, is this boring? Yeah. You know, you're just like, is this? And you're like, no, it's actually what I've been wanting totally and you know yeah yeah and I think yeah I I think back to like the times and I'm sure there's so many women listening where it's like should I text him or like wait what should I respond yeah or wait how long do you think he'll met like when do you think he'll message me and and like what will he say and what should I respond to that when he does?

1:02:09And it's like, that's just not like you, you want that, as you said, like life, life's and things will get hard and you go through death and grief and obstacles with your work and you have kids and there's so much that can come up in a container and a romantic relationship if it's really true divine sacred union. And I think it's really important to feel that safety, that security, that, um, that yeah. Connectedness between you two that is, yeah, is what I feel in my relationship. Yeah.

1:02:49Lindsey Simcik:What was the, I mean, you don't have to give detailed details, but like just crossing over into kind of the more romantic, was there a conversation? Wasn't an experience with kind of a spiritual, like psychic thing? Yeah, it was. Yeah, it's interesting. There was an experience on the trip. Were you thinking anything when you guys were together? Like by yourselves? It was interesting because, so Sam and Abra, the wedding that we went to, he had told them that he was interested in me. And Abra was like, you know, there was a lot of pressure. Like there was maybe the feeling like other people wanted this to happen.

1:03:34And, oh, he had mentioned something about me at the wedding. And, yeah, he had made me this whole itinerary for the trip, too. And, like, it kind of felt like, okay, you care. Yeah. I think so. Yeah, Shay, I think, had said, like, seen him make the itinerary and said, like, who's this girl? No way. Yeah, I'd be like, she is not just a friend. Wow.

1:04:01But, yeah, I lost my train of thought. Yeah. Just like that, that transition. Oh yeah. Yeah. Right. Sorry. So, um, yeah, we, I had, I had met, I had actually met someone else on the trip in Wyoming and there's a much longer story there, but I had this crazy realization that it felt like God had like planted him to represent every single emotionally unavailable man I had ever, ever dated in my life. He was like so good looking and charming and this and that. And, um, yeah, like I had this really spiritual experience on my own of like this, yeah, this realization that there were like two, it was like a fork in the road.

1:04:49I was like, oh, there's this guy who like represented, represents all these men I've dated in the past. And there's this guy who makes me feel safe and seen and held and supported. And coming out of that experience, I had something shifted for me energetically. And there was a moment where I was coming back to meet him. We were going to do a big hike on the weekend. And I told him, I want to cook for you because cooking is a love language for me. I love cooking. And he said that that was the moment he realized that I was into him too. Like he was like, wait, she's like going to the grocery store, buying all this stuff, driving three hours to meet me and cooking for me.

1:05:34And so that night he kissed me because he didn't get created. I feel like men need signals. You know, right. We think like, we think, oh, they're just going to make a move. And I'm like, that's like a really hard thing to do. I think there's research. I think there's research. Vanessa, who was been on the podcast before. I forget her last name, but she says that Ben Edwards, she says that attractive women need to signal 29 times or more to men to like get them to like do anything. I saw 29 times. I know it's wild. And you need to hold eye contact for three to five seconds. Wow. Crazy. Yeah. And that, and that, and that was like, get ready.

1:06:15And that was, yeah, that was the signal. I think good men need signals. Totally. Totally. And I think men that are like trash buckets used to like going up to women. Totally. And I never, we had spent two weeks together. Like we had spent a whole weekend together already and I never felt any pressure. Like I really felt like he genuinely just wanted to spend time, spend time with me and like become close to me and learn, learn more about me. And I never felt any, any pressure whatsoever to like transition into a romantic container. And so, yeah like that it's just funny how the signal was me making a vegetable curry for him you know

1:06:59and then yeah from that point forward we yeah we spent every yeah we were on the road in our campers for I think it was 35 days we were not apart for 35 days from the day he kissed me until yeah until he came back to LA.

1:07:22Did you have what during that process like did you have any fears come up were you guys working through things like was it just what was that like to fall? Um we no I think I think we were honestly really in that honeymoon phase during that period of time And it was just really blissful. Like, I'll look back one day and say, I can't believe I was like traveling the American West in camper van, in a camper van with you. We've definitely kind of, I think, you know, we've transitioned out of that phase. And since then we've had things come up. And I'm really excited because I think it's when you're in a container with someone, you know, I've done so much work and he has as well.

1:08:09And he's in a men's circle and he leads men's circles and he's a very self-aware person as am I. And I think it's just an opportunity to grow and evolve and reveal parts of myself and patterns and fears and shadows that I haven't seen yet. And so as much as it's challenging, sometimes it's, it really is the most beautiful thing because we are able to just grow and evolve into the best part, the best versions of ourselves that we can then feed that third entity, you know, from a place of wholeness. And I'm really, I'm really grateful. You know, what's interesting is I've worked with so many women and a lot of times it's like they'll get messages or they'll get like hits where they're like, I need to go to Poland and I'm going to be my man or, you know, I need to go to this place.

1:09:02And even when my friends have been single, I think they've had that. And I've had that where you were like, I have this hit, like I'm going to be in Paris and like, you know, find the person and doesn't normally happen like for them or for me or for anyone like that. And it's funny, I was thinking about your situation because it's like you had the hit to do something for you. It wasn't like to find him. It was like, I need to do this for me. And then you found him in that. And I think that's the big difference between when we have the premonition for finding the person. And I'm not saying that we don't have hits that are right or intuitions or premonitions about when we're going to meet someone.

1:09:43Cause I absolutely have seen that to be true. And I know that to be true. But I think more often it really is when you're following your own path and you're following what is true for you, that you find the person and the person that is most aligned for you. Because oftentimes if we have the premonition hit actually about a person, it's a karmic relationship that might not be your person, but it's like, you're going to meet someone that's going to give you a lesson, be a part of the path, be a part of your journey. But for the most part, the person that you're with is not always usually the person you have premonitions about, or like kids about.

1:10:17Yeah. I mean, my friend going into the trip, my, my feminine sort of coach had said, I think you're going to meet your partner on this trip. Interesting. And, and my friend Naz had said, I think you're going to meet someone on this trip. But even though I actually, my astrologist too, had said, I think you're going to meet someone on this trip. And even though a bunch of people were saying you're going to meet someone on this trip. I wasn't going on the trip to meet a partner. It was fully like, I just know I need to do this for me. And, but I do think why he came into my fields and why, yeah, my, my coach at the time said this was like, you are in your most raw, messy, vulnerable, feminine essence right now.

1:11:08You were going on a trip, especially a camper van trip. Like you have literally no plan. You don't even know where you're sleeping the next night. And I really did. And on that, the beginning of that trip feel like I was for the first time in my life and such a state of flow and surrender. And, um, like I really stepped away from work for the first time, which I had never done. And I was really in this, yeah, this feminine state of being that I had never felt before. I was like, I wake up in my camper and be like, you know, okay, I'm going to go here. And then, oh, look at that. It's cool. Maybe I'll turn this way.

1:11:47Like I'd never been in that state really before. And I feel like he came into my fields and embodied masculine men came into my field because I created the space for a man to do so. And I think that's really important. Like I think for women listening, you know, my message there is if you are like you're building the business and you're like hustling and you're doing all the things, um, that's beautiful. And I'm, I'm so grateful for my masculine. Cause I think it's brought me to where I am today and I'd never want to get rid of it. But if you're really in that, like super hyper masculine state and you're like, I'm a girl boss, I'm hyper independent.

1:12:29I don't need anyone like think about if that's serving you from in like a romantic context like if that energetically is allowing space for an embodied masculine man to come in because yeah in my case I don't feel like that energy served me and I think finding that balance and coming more into my feminine and really yeah being in being able to dance fluidly between the two states really allowed me to call in that masculine partner that I was looking for.

1:13:05Lindsey Simcik:I guess, what does that look like in your day to day, in your relationship, kind of dancing between the masculine and feminine? Have you found kind of moments where you're both in your feminine or both in your masculine? Like, and how do you, how do you soften or how do you hold structure? I guess, what does that look like in the day to day? Yeah, it's, I feel like because it's so new, it's like still something I'm very much learning and growing into. But yeah, in the day to day, like I think when I'm like focused on work, I'm in my masculine and I'm doing my thing, whether it's calls or being on my computer or building or whatever I'm doing.

1:13:52And, um, yeah, when I come out of that container, I think, I think I need moments to like switch out, you know, energetically. So it's like maybe a short walk or maybe a breath work or a meditation or doing something to like shift me out of that masculine container so that I can then kind of switch into that feminine container. And, um, yeah, I think I, you know, I am like a planner. I'm, I have a lot of Capricorn in my chart. It is in my innate inherent nature to want to plan and, oh, like, what are we doing Friday? Or what are we doing Saturday? But just kind of like taking a step back and allowing him to step into that, make the reservation, plan out what we're going to be doing.

1:14:39Um, even though I can do it, it's important for me to take a step back and allow him to step into that. But all that to say, I think it's still something I'm very much like we're learning. We've been living together for only a couple months. So it's still very much new and we're figuring that out. I'm curious, like, what does that look like for both of you? I think I was thinking about it a little bit when you were talking and I feel like because I'm more in integrated wholeness, I don't notice the shift. I think the more I get embodied in just myself, I oscillate in moments very quickly and I can shift very quickly.

1:15:21And it feels just like me rather than like I'm being in my masculine or feminine, I think. And I think even for him, you know, I think about the moments where I feel that it's interesting because the moments when I feel him most in his masculine is when he's in his most tenderness and his most open-hearted and like how emotionally available he is and how attuned he is. So it's interesting because what I perceived to be feminine and what I perceived to be feminine feels like the most masculine in our container. And it's almost like that ability to be super feminine makes him even more masculine for me where it's like, oh, like, and even in the moments where I have had like freak outs or where I've just been like in my emotional reaction, he's always held just like, okay, I hear you.

1:16:15Like that makes sense to me. Like never once has he not been like the clear sight and the grounded force of that. And so I think that's when he's felt incredibly masculine to me, but I think we both oscillate quite a bit. Like I think he's very, he's very both. Yeah. I feel the same with my partner. Like he's able to be in his feminine for sure. Um, and I think it takes both partners to be able to dance fluidly between the two States and be attuned to each other's needs and emotional state. Like if, you know, I, I had like, I had a kind of meltdown earlier this week, like had a really hard day and yeah, I was just really in my feminine and he was just able to hold me in that.

1:17:01And if it were the reverse, I feel like, and he needed me, you know, in a difficult moment, like I'd be able to step into my masculine and hold him in that space too. I almost see, like, I almost don't see my, I almost see it as like my inner mother with him. And I don't mean I mother him, but like, it doesn't feel masculine with me at points. Like I can be direct and clear, but it feels more like, I know he had a moment about something months ago. And I remember him just having a moment and real expression and feeling his feelings. And it was almost just like holding it as a mother to him to be kind and loving rather than stable and cold.

1:17:40It felt like I'm just going to be incredibly spacious in the way that I'm attuning to this and in the way that I'm being with this. But what would you say? How do you experience it? Yeah.

1:17:51Lindsey Simcik:I think we're always actively working on this. I feel like my husband is very in his masculine a lot of the time. And I think he enjoys, you know, being in the feminine of flow and creativity and just like softening. And I've noticed that so much of it is him kind of noticing that and making those transition, but also in our patterning and dynamic where like if I take initiative to like plan our date night upcoming or something like that, it kind of allows him to soften into the experience rather than feeling like he needs to create the structure of it. And so it was interesting, like, yeah, like my, and I have that within me, but I think I've been out of practice.

1:18:45Lindsey Simcik:I think being so focused on our son and just being in the early years of motherhood and kind of feeling like I'm just coming out of the fog. And so to like re-step into that part of me that does love planning, that does love creating experiences, that does love being super thoughtful and like holding, you know, him in a moment where he's like just feeling really, you know, emotional or defeated or whatever. Like I love to be that in those moments. So it was like almost me relearning how to bring that to our relationship. And I've just noticed, yeah, it's taken the pressure off of the masculine to always, the literal masculine, like my husband to always be that.

1:19:25Lindsey Simcik:Totally. And so it's allowed more like of a dance, which I think creates more space for fun and play and spontaneity. And I noticed like when we, and he's really good at this and I'm like practicing this, but just bringing in like silliness and joy and like, yeah, just not being so in the mud of the day to day of like the logistics and the things we got to do. And it's like, I heard someone speak recently on a podcast and one of the things that he was saying, you know, are so important for a marriage is to have so much fun. You know, you can go to therapy every week, but that's the stewing. Yeah, totally.

1:20:09Lindsey Simcik:That's the stewing together. That's like, let's stir the pot of what's wrong. But it's like, are you having moments and like experiences of just like fun? Totally. You know, because it just, it just, it's like a injection of life of like seeing your partner in something new or like seeing a part of them that isn't in the day-to-day and the day-to-day logistics. So anyway, it's, it's something I think we're always attuning to and just curious about. And we're bringing it more into conversation of like what we need in those moments where it does feel a little funky, you know, and being able to like recognize like, oh, this is what's happening.

1:20:48Lindsey Simcik:Okay. This is how we can kind of shift. So work in progress. I think something about you guys that's so interesting that I think a lot of, so a lot of women in our audience, they want to date a conscious man. They want to date a man that's done the work and all of that. And I think they find a hard time finding them or like even if they're in relationship, they want their man to be more conscious. And I don't know what my question is, but I guess I want to talk about that because I know a lot of women either want their men to do the work and want them to start their growth journey. And I don't know what that looks like for them.

1:21:20And then also, I guess the question that we'll start in is like, for you and dating a man that does his own work, like, what does that feel like? And And what do you think a woman should do to find a man that has done his own work? Hmm.

1:21:43Yeah, I think it feels amazing to have a partner that is doing his own work. Like my partner has been in a men's circle for seven years, six, seven years. And he's leading a men's circle now every single Monday at 6 p.m. without fail. And it feels really good to be in a relationship with someone who is actively growing and evolving in the same way that I am and has like has that wiring towards self-awareness and growth and just like wanting to. Self-actualization is why we're all here. So to have a partner that wants that same thing is just is really beautiful and special. And then your second question was around how do women find partners that, yeah, I think, again, going back to what I said earlier, I think you need to do the work first.

1:22:52You know, I really, really believe that you attract what you are. And so instead of using that energy to try to find that conscious man, if you're not finding it, take a step back and think about like, how can I like, what can I do to grow and evolve and expand into the woman that will attract that conscious masculine man that I'm looking for? You know, like what are the parts of myself that I, what are the patterns I want to shed or fears or blocks or like, who do I want to become and how do I step into that version of myself to attract that man? And yeah, I, I think, I think for me, um, surrender, surrendering into the feminine and like really like unraveling that hyper masculine shell was that final step because I had done so much work on myself and I had, you know, I had done all the things, but, um, I really think it was less about the doing and forcing, but really about the surrendering and the coming back.

1:24:06into that feminine essence that was already within me that allowed that partner to come in. And, um, yeah, I think for, I think for like you and for all of my friends that have met these kind of partners, it's always, it's never happened from a place of force. It's always happened from a place of complete surrender and like not even trying and just in a, being in a state of like total embodiment. So. And surprise. Yeah, totally. Like, and just coming out of left field, you know, even, even though people told me like, you're going to meet someone on this trip, like when we ended up kind of shifting into that romantic container, like I was like, what?

1:24:49Like I was just so caught off guard. Like it's not something that was in my field at all. Even in the beginning of the trip. And so, yeah, I think it just happens when you least expect it for real.

1:25:01Lindsey Simcik:And I heard you say earlier, like you were just so, you know, in those 18 months too, you were just like so good with yourself and like enjoying your time with yourself. And I think that's also a key part that I experienced as well. And I've spoken to a lot of women who are in kind of that single period that like in between and yeah, it's just such a special time. You know, you'll always have that experience and you'll always be able to revisit it with confidence, you know, even within your relationship, like you can prioritize time for yourself because you know how good it feels and not necessarily fall into the codependence and the enmeshment that a relationship sometimes can bring on.

1:25:45Lindsey Simcik:Cause you're like, you're so comfortable. I love you. Like I want to be with you all the time. It's yeah. It's so wild. I think when you're single, you're just like, you, you know, we, when, when I was single, I was like, I really wanted to call in like one of my top goal in my 2025 thing last year was calling, you know, a partner and I really wanted a soulmate and I was like, you know, kind of a bit fed up of being alone all the time, maybe a little bit. Like I really wanted that person to come in. But then once you have that person, you're like, oh shit, like I barely have any time alone. And so I think for those of you listening who are single and you're alone, just like really enjoy this spaciousness in your life and like be grateful for being able to wake up on a Sunday and just like, you don't have plans and you could literally do whatever you want to do and do things that bring you joy.

1:26:41Like, don't just like sit around and scroll on your phone and watch Netflix, like do something, go on a hike or like bring yourself to the beach or do something fun, like take yourself out on a date, like do something for yourself, you know, go to a pottery class, paint, like make a delicious meal and sit in the sun naked, you know? Um, and it's just such a beautiful time. And I'm so like grateful for that chapter that I had. And yeah, I think cause like once it happens, like you're, you're like, oh shit I don't know I'm like you're like wait where's where's my alone time wait till kids I'm like I'm like I'm like I can't even imagine right so but yeah you know when you meet that person that you know that soulmate um I feel like things can transition like really really quickly Like it's not this slow burn of like, oh, we're going on dates for like six months.

1:27:40And then it's like it can happen. I mean, for me, at least it happens so fast because it was like we were we were meant to be together in this lifetime. So, yeah, just recognize that and just be grateful for those those nights that you have alone. All the girls are like, shut the fuck up. because when you're single you're like shut the fuck up you're like wait you know you're like enjoying myself like because it's so scary but it's so true and like so true everyone will have the moment where they are thinking that when they're with someone where they'll be like you should just really enjoy and what i love about your story too it's like i was just kind of tracking it as far as like you do work with detoxing detoxing is a part of your thing like you had detoxing in Costa Rica.

1:28:28You did the fast, you did the plant medicine, you stripped away, like you detox, like from your work, from the doing, from like the ideas of what everyone else wanted you or like the pressure of everyone else. And you did something that listened where you listened to your soul. Like you had to go through this process. And I think in healing journeys too, we kind of think it's going to be like, it's interesting because the first situation with the coach, it was like one call kind of turned it. you had the inclination, but one call turned it. But usually it is more like the second process of like, you went to Costa Rica, you fasted, you had a plant medicine ceremony, you did your own work of years of doing this thing.

1:29:03Like healing is like compounding. Totally. It's, it's not just like you do a three month course to meet your spirit guides and you're like, good. It's like, I am who I am because of 10 years of various things over time that have been instrumental in my process. And what would you say if you thought about detox in this process to finding the person that you love? Like, what did you detox yourself from? What beliefs, what habits, what ideas? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just to echo what you said, like, it's really wild to think about the parallel between my work and, um, my work doing detox with people and relieving yourself from the physical blockages.

1:29:50And yeah, like the, the work that I did in this container to detox myself from all those, you know, fears and blocks and patterns. And, um, yeah, I'll probably name, name a couple of things here. I I mean, I think the first and foremost was the hyper-masculine shell that I created for myself for protection. You know, I had shed that a lot over many years. I think I mentioned, like, stepping into becoming a coach and moving to L.A. and stepping away from berries and soul cycle and all those things. First step, stop going to soul cycle and berries three times a day. First step to finding the love of your life.

1:30:35Yeah, totally. Um, but yeah, I think again, that plant medicine ceremony, connecting with motherhood, connecting with my kids, like really was a fast track into completely shattering that hypermasculine shell, almost to the point where when I came back, I was like, I couldn't even work, which is so wild for me because I'm of a lot of Capricorn in my chart. I've always been like work, work, work. How many planets do you have? Oh man, probably four. i have my cap capricorn rising oh interesting um and north node what's your sun staying sag love yeah yeah what's your moon um my moon is cancer wait no wait what libra interesting yeah i was like um yeah but a lot of planets in capricorn a lot in sag but yeah um yeah i just feel like that plant medicine ceremony like brought me into a whole new dimension um and so that.

1:31:35And then, yeah, like over the years, just freeing myself from the belief that I have to perform and please and be perfect to be loved. I, yeah, like I would even, I would have difficulty even celebrating my birthday. Like even, you know, uh, maybe like, yeah, three, four or five years ago, I would always be like on my birthday. Cause I, I think I had, I really held the belief that I could not be loved and celebrated for just being me. And so, yeah, I think really like unraveling myself from that belief, which was so deep and so, and I'm not, it's not gone, you know, it's still very much present in my field.

1:32:22I'm not saying that it's like, it's not, it's not like you're going to meet a partner when every, all of these negative beliefs and traumas and fears are gone. Like they're still going to be present, but I think I got myself to a point where I really like unraveled myself from that belief, um, which was really deep for me. So,

1:32:39Lindsey Simcik:yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good point just for people to understand when they step into relationship. I think a lot of people have this subconscious belief that they need to be healed before they find their person. And I felt that way at a point, but there's just like the gift, one of the greatest gifts of being in relationship is the growth and the healing that you're meant to do together. 100%. Yeah. I believe that like, you know, I feel like I did all the healing that I was meant to do on my own in this lifetime. And then I feel, I feel like you meet your soulmate or, and enter a, you know, divine sacred union or conscious partnership when you are, you've done all the refining you can do on your own.

1:33:24And then God is like, okay, now you're ready to step into this new container where you can actually do more, you know, more refining. I think, yeah, this type of relationship I would say is the greatest refining tool like ever. And yeah, I just, I don't think I'm, you know, I don't think we're ever healed. Right. But I think it's like, I had done what I could do on my own and I was ready to step into this container where yeah, a whole new set of things come to the surface that you literally have not seen in your lifetime. And then you're like, oh shit. You're like, wait, what? I didn't know this about myself.

1:34:03So yeah, it's beautiful. It's hard. It's, it's, but it's all worth it. It's the most magical thing I've, and I'm so grateful. So happy for you. Thank you. Something was coming up for me, just making a connection about when you first start dating someone. And I think when you're used to going for unavailable men, and that was my pattern too, you like, when you see that spark of the unavailable men, the part of you comes forward. That's like, I have to perform for love. And so that part comes online. They're like, Oh my God, I'm going to perform for love. And hopefully I'll get it this time, even though you never end up getting it.

1:34:40And it's almost like that chemistry creates that like excitement and that performance of that part of you. And I think when you have a love where it's like a little bit more of a surprise or you didn't expect it or you didn't see it, that part is like not active. So you can actually be loved, you know, for who you are and be loved just as you are. Because if you have the chemistry component of that type of energy, it's really hard. You have to consciously have your performer part. Oh, totally. Sit to the side. A hundred percent. Yeah. And I think for me, like just the environment. Yeah. In which I was in, you know, being in a camper on the road, I'm like, I, yeah, I'm just really stripped.

1:35:27You're like, we're dumping my poop at the end of every day. I'm like, I am in a very, yeah. Yeah. No, I actually, I had a shower in my van and I had like a little cassette toilet. But yeah, like there is, you're not like, there is no, there is no performing. I'm not like, I had a mirror. I barely had a mirror. It was literally this big. Wow. So like, there is no full body mirror. There's no mirror. I would go to like a bathroom at a gas station and be like, I don't think I've seen myself in seven days. Like, is that me? So yeah, there's no, like that performer part of myself was not online at all on that trip.

1:36:07And I think also for me personally, like I really connect with myself and with a higher power with God when I'm in nature. And so being in nature, just like I really felt like I was in like my real essence because I was so like I'm sleeping in a van. I'm under the stars. I'm in the Tetons and Yellowstone and Colorado and driving through the mountains. Like I feel the most myself and at home within myself in that container. So I feel like because of that, like I was just really in my, in my flow and on that trip, um, that create, yeah, just was really me. So yeah.

1:36:47Lindsey Simcik:Beautiful. What's one thing you want to leave our audience with? What's one thing you want women to know?

1:36:59yeah I think when we're thinking about you know I think as you said a lot of women listening like want to call in this divine sacred partner and want to seek it out and where do I find this person. And yeah, I would just encourage you to not force and try and push. And it's really more about a surrendering and a letting go and a relaxing into and a coming back into that divine feminine essence. You don't need to find it. It's already within you. It's funny because my books are called from within and from deep within. And that's from a detox perspective. It's like that energy, that essence is within you.

1:37:46You just have to relieve the physical blockages to come back to that essence. And I think it applies in this container too. It's like that essence, that feminine that you think you need to chase or find or seek out is not something you need to seek out. It's within you. So just remember that and think about the things that you can do, the work that you can do to kind of reveal those blocks to come back to that essence. Yeah. Stunning.

1:38:17Lindsey Simcik:So, so good. Thank you. So happy for you. Thanks. Where can people find you? Yeah. On Instagram, LinkedIn, Substack. I'm a LinkedIn girly. I love that dude. It's so wild. It's a little wild. Everyone's made fun of me for so many years. And now people, I know, I know now people hit me up and they're like, wait, I want to be on LinkedIn. Can you help me? I heard LinkedIn's the wild west. They're like, everyone, you can get everyone to engage with their LinkedIn. Yeah. And on those platforms, yeah, Substack too. And you can find my link tree, which yeah, you can find my website, ways to work with me one-on-one work, my digital cleanses, any speaking events.

1:38:57And yeah, I would love to hear from you if this resonated. I don't think I've ever, I always talk about detox on podcasts. And so I've never really talked about my story and just like, this is so, yeah, I really hope if you're listening that this empowers you and inspires you and please reach out if you listen, because I would love to hear from you. Okay, guys, we love you. So good. Bye.

1:39:26Thanks so much, Megan. It was so fun to have you. Again, that was Megan Swidler talking about her journey to love and to slipping more into her feminine and the magic that came throughout the process. We have 800 other episodes of Almost 30. Dig in, put us on during a road trip, just when you're cleaning the house. We're also on YouTube, so subscribe and comment on YouTube. We're creating kind of a different type of episode for YouTube recently, which is really fun. And then we also have our second podcast. That's all for you. It's Morning Microdose, and it is a five-day-a-week channel that has inspiration that's ad-free.

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