870. Miranda Kerr: The Spiritual Tools That Got Me Through My Hardest Years

0:13Hi guys, welcome to Almost 30 Podcast. I'm so glad you're here. Today is such a treat. I sat down with Miranda Kerr, who we all know in my generation as a original Victoria's Secret super model. And let me tell you, this woman is an angel. I mean, in this conversation, you're going to hear us talk about spirituality. We do talk about angels. We talk about some of her spiritual practices, her energetic hygiene. We talk about her being an empath, how she navigates motherhood as someone that's so deeply sensitive, how she navigates being a public figure as someone that's so deeply sensitive. And I think you guys are really going to like this one.

0:52I was so surprised because I've always known her as someone that's really beautiful and well-spoken and all of that. But being able to spend time in this conversation and then even time before with her and really realize like how special of a woman she is and how much of a soul she is that's on a mission, it was such a gift. And I think that's been one of the best parts of my work interviewing some of the most powerful, influential people in the world is when you get the chance and opportunity to meet someone that is incredibly in their heart. And she references the heart quite a bit in this conversation.

1:29She references being a good person. She references her light. And what I find so exciting about that is that in the world today where we have more women that are owning companies, CEOs, entrepreneurs, this is why we need women. Because women are founders that create businesses from love and with intention and with this heart-centered element that she very much has with Cora Organics, her company that is a clean beauty line. It's certified organic. It's the only one in Sephora that is certified organic. And it's honestly incredible. She uses crystals in the process. She's very intentional. She has a word on each of the bottles that infuses the product with that word.

2:13As an example, the foaming cleanser has the word clarity on it, which is just so incredible. And I think for anyone that is interested in health and wellness and entrepreneurship, interested in spirituality, this is going to be such a fun one. It was like two girlfriends talking about things that are meaningful to us and deeply spiritual. And also Miranda got a little emotional. There was a moment that you'll see where she got a little teary eyed thinking about her mother and her mother raising her. So please enjoy this conversation with myself and Miranda Kerr, Australian model, entrepreneur, wellness advocate, and founder of the brand Cora Organics.

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3:20So definitely check us out on YouTube and make sure to subscribe there. So enjoy this one, share it with a friend, make sure to subscribe, rate and review. And thanks for joining us on Almost 30. I'm so happy to have you. Thanks for having me. I feel so lucky that we've been able to have like 45 minutes with you and your team. Yes. And being able to see you just cruise and like move through your day. And you have this like supernatural ability of being like clear and direct, but also very grounded and kind. Oh, thank you. And you're very vocal and you definitely have a voice. And I was listening to an interview that you did recently when you talked about your journey of being a model of first being a face and then having a voice.

4:01Exactly. And I would love to hear about your journey to finding your voice. Cause a lot of women right now want to find their voice. They want to be more expressed. They want to be more direct and more clear. And I know that's a huge reason why you're so successful, but can you talk about your journey with your voice? Yeah. I mean, interesting that I grew up singing with my grandma by the piano, speaking about voice. And my grandmother has, well, had such a beautiful voice. And she also spoke her truth and she did it in a way that was direct heart-centered um so you knew what she was thinking right and so the women around me like my grandmother and my mother I grew up with very strong voices and in different ways like my mom would be very vocal about you know how what she thought and she and she's like quite a business woman an entrepreneur herself and my grandmother was just an incredible homemaker and was very vocal about like I would sit with her and I would ask her advice on so many things when it comes to life and I would ask her about her childhood and how that impacted her and I feel that really influenced me and my mom would always say to me let your light shine so like shine your light it's really all about what's on the inside that matters the most and that really helped me channel my voice because I knew that it was all about my heart and you can channel you know from your heart through your voice and so with modeling obviously as I was saying you have more of a face and then when I became a Victoria's Secret angel I was able to have a voice and when I started working with Victoria's Secret just like they started putting me in front of the camera and it just came very naturally because I felt confident in who I was on the inside and that's what was coming through and so whenever the press would come around they'd be like send them to Miranda and I'd be like just like on the feet like just I remember one time they were like Miranda you have to interview Bruno Mars and I was like cool okay I always have felt from a young age like very much like it wouldn't matter if I'm talking to someone and interviewing someone or having a conversation with someone on the street or if it was the queen herself I would treat them with the same respect and that's the way I was raised and so when they and everyone's a human being and so I've always had that feeling and like the thing about being human is that everyone wants to feel understood and accepted and if you have that kind of understanding then you can really connect with people and we're also interconnected so yeah I interviewed um Bruno Mars and I remember getting a sheet beforehand from his team saying you're only allowed to answer ask these questions don't ask this don't ask that and I was like oh okay literally like and he walked in like you know, a minute later and I was like, oh, okay.

7:28And then I was like, but I wanted to be really real and connect with him. And so I just spoke to him and I actually didn't go off the sheet at all. I just had a real live conversation with him and it was a really fun interview. And I got to learn, you know, a lot about him and that he grew up playing so many instruments and yeah, it was just, it was fun. It was probably refreshing for him too. you know, to be able to be himself and just be grounded. And, but he didn't really know what I was going to come out with next. He was like, this is not the question. Yeah. I think like in your journey, it just seems like your family was so incredible and so instrumental.

8:10And you don't often hear about people having really amazing families. I feel like nowadays it's like part of the cultural conversation to have like issues with your family, like struggling growing up and just how spiritual your family was and like the anchor of your own essence almost of like you being a good person you being at your core like besides saying is it shine your light yeah shine a little light yeah my mom actually had that embroidered on a pillow shine your light and it's just about and she would also say to me if you're going to do something like do it properly like do it with your whole heart or don't do it at all.

8:49So like multiple times throughout the day, that's running through my head. Like, it's just like, it's there. It's like, if I'm going to do something, I do it with my whole heart. I'm really in the moment. I'm really in it. And that's the way I live my life. And I try to teach my children the same thing. Yeah. Cause it's like with the heart and then with just the intention. I know your dad was someone that read a lot of positive mindset books, you know, was it, um, how to win friends and influence people and things like that. What was some of the other things that they taught you that you realize now has been like an instrumental part of you and your success?

9:25So my parents have been together since they were teenagers. So, and they're like more in love now than I would say they've ever been. They've been through so much together and they're such a good example of that kind of like, cause I've seen them through many different stages right and they had me my mom was 17 almost 18 when she gave birth to me bless yeah so she was young totally super young herself and so I have young parents they were learning how to navigate life as I was had come into their life which is why my grandmother also played such an instrumental role in raising me and my parents obviously worked really hard they were always very loving very kind wanting to be the better version of themselves and they still are like that and we're very close and I'm so blessed that we spend at least six months of the year together with them and my kids get to have that experience with young grandparents like the kids jump on my dad's back and like when my kids are jet lagged my you know last time when we're in Paris and um they were jet lagged and my seven-year-old couldn't sleep and my mom's like don't worry just let him come and talk to me and he like had these precious moments with my mom when he was jet lagged and they were just talking and it's something that like I'll get teary about because like she's almost having like that connection that obviously she wanted to have with me as a child, right, but she's having it now through the grandchildren.

11:14And like I'll get teary because she wanted to have that experience with me obviously but she was not only was she studying after school, she was working when, you know, during the day and then she would go to university at night. Wow. So she didn't really have any other choice then. And I'm blessed that I'm able to have my own business and work from home and be there for my children and prioritize my family. She didn't have that privilege. And so now being a mother myself, I really have so much compassion. Now I'll get teary. but like have so much compassion for her and so many mothers out there that really are feeling challenged by having you know their business and their work and also being a mother or a parent

12:06yeah for your mom like when she was working so hard and you were you know a little girl and you were like, you know, did you feel like, like how, how did that impact you? Did you kind of want more time from her or did you feel like? I wanted her to be there at school and when I had school things, when it was like a carnival or there was something happening at school, but she wasn't, she wasn't able to be there, unfortunately. And, um, that's why I'm really like making sure that I'm there for my kids just because I'm kind of like like whenever the email comes in and say does a parent want to sign up for this I'm like oh I'm gonna be the first parent they're like there's only three spots left oh there's Miranda again they're like she comes out everything everything um are your kids yet like mom no they love it they love it but it's just you know it's different and as I said I feel like I had so much love from my parents and so much fun and I remember going to the grocery store with my mom and it was one of my favorite experiences like going to get groceries and she would some she was very playful and my dad's very playful so she would follow me around with like an artichoke like in the house like I was like okay it's funny because you're like best memory of my life that's really fun and then on the way home you know you had the trolley and we didn't live very far from the supermarket so she would put us push us home in the trolley and she was like a kid herself so she would be like running and like spinning us around in the trolley as kids with all the groceries in it yeah and it's like now I'd be like oh careful of the eggs don't want to smash the eggs yeah you're like can't be doing that but um that I remember a lot like just the fun memories of that and you know my grandmother was there to pick us up after school and she also babysat other like my cousins so I had this kind of um community of like cousins and other kids that my grandma would babysit and we'd all play together after school and it was really fun and we didn't grow up with much I grew up you know very humble beginnings my parents bought like the cheapest house in one of the smallest country towns in Australia but we just had a lot of love yeah and my grandma had this generosity of spirit and that's what I feel like is so important and matters the most like no matter what and of course I'm very fortunate myself with my life and I've been able to work really hard and and invest my money into my own business and take care of myself and I've been really independent my whole life um but I know that if it was you know for whatever reason things were taken away from me I would be okay and good with like very humble beginnings because I had that growing up and I feel that that's really what matters the most is like the connection you have with someone and the love that you have, you know, it's not about things.

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19:02That's so cool. I love it. What is something that like has surprised you about motherhood? Like before you had, you know, Flynn or before you started this process, like you had an idea of motherhood. What was that? And then what has it actually been like? Um, you know, it's something that you can't wrap your head around until you have children that it's just your heart is always connected to them it's like my heart and my nervous system is consistently like checking in with them and feeling like oh how are they doing like yeah after this I'm going to take my two-year-old for his first dentist appointment and I'm already like oh like okay I'm gonna just be there for him and you know guide him through it and and but as a parent you feel whatever they're feeling so so intensely.

19:55And then my teenager who's 15 has like a big math test tomorrow. And so I'm like, I'm very empathetic as it is. And then being a mother on top of being an empath, it takes you like so deep into the feelings. So I'm like, okay, but it's just like, you know what? I, at the same time, you have to be, um, a neutral space for them. Mm-hmm. You've mentioned before you're an empath and we were even talking upstairs for someone that's such a big public figure. You have a big life you've had, you know, you were just, you've been a supermodel. You've been in high profile relationships. You've been around a lot of people and a lot of energy.

20:37What was the first time you realized that you were sensitive to energy and what's your process been like for that? Because a lot of women that are listening, I'm an empath are deeply sensitive and feeling, and sometimes it can really take you out. So how have you navigated it? Oh, it's a daily practice. I know. And as we were saying earlier, we both meditate and kind of, I want to remain open hearted. Right. And, um, and so connecting with myself daily with my meditation is something that I really find instrumental for me. And also when I go through that process, I can really acknowledge like what's mine and what's other people's smart love that and one thing that I've actually recently learned which has been really important is that some people there are a lot of people that aren't as compassionate or empathetic as maybe you might be and that's okay there's no judgment but you need to learn to put an invisible shield around you a clear one so that whatever they say just bounces off the shield if it's not and you'll be able to feel because you're empathetic if it's not in the best interest of you um but it's really lovely and so rewarding to connect with people who are also empathetic because there's an exchange of energy the way that it should be of like connectedness because I really believe we're all so interconnected and so it's wonderful when you can have that and you have an alignment with someone and the energy is moving through you as it should.

22:13But some people can drain you when you're an empath. And so it's important to understand that and put that barrier up and not let it drain you. And I also pray to Archangel Michael to protect me and guide me. It's funny. When we were sitting down, I was like, oh, she's got angels. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. There's very angel energy. Yeah, that's nice. And Michael's such a nice protective energy to work with. Archangel Michael. Archangel Michael. Raphael. Gabriel. Raziel. Boreal. Metatron. Yes, Metatron. All the boys. All of them. All the boys, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And Mary. Oh, my gosh. Mother Mary.

22:55Say. The divine mother love. And you know what recently I've been doing is it happened a lot during my meditation, and maybe you might find it useful. I've been, as the age I am now, looking at myself and it started like looking at the younger version of myself and kind of being loving and compassionate the way I am to other people towards myself. Huge. Huge. Huge. Shelf love. And I've not had that before. Like it's interesting because I'm about to be 43. so how come I can be so compassionate and loving towards other people but actually and I thought I was towards myself but actually are you and so this visualization has helped me be loving and compassionate towards myself and hold that space for that person who has held the space for so many others oh and that's that is like a highest self experience because it's the highest self is watching you.

23:58Cause if you had an angelic presence or a highest self that was like, Oh my God, this human is trying so hard. She's doing so much. She loves so deeply. And I've always felt like in my process, it's like cultivating the inner mother, like the inner, like the mother that would be so loving to me in the process. Like this is a silly example, but I had this trip I went on and it was a really long travel day. I didn't pack any food for some reason. So when I landed, I had to eat like just shit from the airport. And I was like, if I was a mother to myself, I would pack amazing nourishing lunches and meals.

24:30And it's like when you can treat yourself as you would your child, your child. And that is like such an important lesson to learn. Huge, huge. And I, it's, and it's, it's so funny because self-love is, is that simple sometimes. I think sometimes the concept of self-love, I think when I was in the process, I thought it was self-care. yeah I was like self-love is a bubble bath it's getting a massage it's like doing things but it's actually more than that it's actually not yeah you're with the self-love journey even like for you being a model like being someone that is in front of the camera is scrutinized like there's body stuff I'm sure how have you dealt with that because that must be tough at times for the even a woman as confident and stunning and amazing as you to have that sort of experience?

25:20Like, what is your self-love journey been like? Well, I think that models are the most critical on themselves and you're constantly being compared to someone else. So it's like, you might not have this. You didn't get that job because you were too short or too tall, or you were too, you know, too, you know, too this or too that. So it's like, oh, okay. I didn't get it because of that. I all because of your physical and it's like okay that's there is an art that I admire about the industry when you can get together with creative individuals and you can create and you and you work with fashion and you work with you know great artists who can transform something into something really beautiful and creative that is very different to the scrutiny that you can project upon yourself and others can project on you being in the industry and so I take it back to my mother and being like just let your light shine and don't take it personally and and you know at the end of the day what matters most is that you're a kind person and and if this opportunity comes great and if it doesn't there'll be something better for you and to try and put things into perspective that way.

26:41And my mum, being an accountant by trade, really encouraged me to save my money and then have my own business because both of my parents had their own businesses. And so I was able to have like a goal of like let's just make honey while, not make honey, let's just make hay while the sun shines and then let's save our money and put it into a business like create something that you're really passionate about what truly moves you and motivates you which I was able to do with Cora Organics um and you know it's been so rewarding being able to do that so for so long I kept saying like I just you know and I I didn't know if I was going to work tomorrow or the next state.

27:29Like it was just like, you just make the money while you can, you save the money, you meet creative people, you travel the world, you see it as an experience. And then what you do is you, you know, you turn that into something that you're really passionate about. And what that was, I was fortunate to be able to do that. But not everyone's as lucky as that. I understand. Yeah. I think luck is something, but it's also like, I do feel like, and I'm curious if this feels true for you. It does feel like there is a core essence of your soul that knows where it's going and has been guiding and directing you throughout your path.

28:04Oh yeah. My intuition is very strong. Yes. So for instance, when I develop a product, it's not really based on trends or anything. It's based on what I intuitively feel that is something that is like, it's like a message coming through. And it's not really about me. It's like, I'm a vessel to channel that message. And as I was saying, like my grandmother, she was reading the Bible to me from a young age and talking to me about God and things like that. So I have had that understanding and it's evolved into, obviously, I still pray every day and I still believe in God and read the Bible. But I also have, you know, added to that the meditation practice and a spirituality practice that has expanded what my the little seed that my grandmother planted from a young age.

28:58it's such a gift you know I grew up Catholic and I'm not Catholic anymore but I'm grateful for the foundation of it had damages to it but I guess I'm grateful for the foundation of there's something outside of you bigger than you bigger than you yeah that's guiding you directing you that's collaborating with you yeah and then you know when I found like mysticism and spirituality outside of religion it was just like well like with angels even I remember because in the Catholic church, it was kind of like angels were only accessible, like through God and the church. Like it wasn't like they're accessible to me.

29:30And then when I realized it could be a part of my experience in my life to pray with them and work with them, like what, you know, it just opens up so much. With your intuition, how do you connect with it? Because there's a lot of women that want to connect more deeply. Like do you have a practice or a ritual that helps you really get in that channel to like find and create a product as an example? I've been practicing meditation since I was 17 and yoga. And that helps me personally get in the zone. Like everyone has their own way to get to their deepest part of themselves. Some people find it through running.

30:04Some people find it through writing. Some people find it through dance. Yeah. I do love to dance. I do too. Love that. I was dancing on Saturday. We were just like, me and my girlfriends were like, we needed this. And we had videos of us. We're like, we don't even dance. We just like jump. Yeah, you just like express yourself and like music has a frequency and it can really help elevate your spirit. And I love to turn the music on with the kids and literally just dance around, have dance parties. They love it. Got dreams. And sometimes you get glow sticks involved. And that's fun. Like coolest mom.

30:38It's fun. Like that's like. And I'm the mom that jumps on the bed with my kids. Like. The wild one. I can be more wild than my kids. Really? What are they saying? They're like mom. No, just like, they're like, really? We're allowed to do that? I'm like, yeah, come on, let's go. Yeah, let's party. Yeah. Although my six-year-old is pretty wild. My husband says he's the most like me. Is he? Yeah. He's a free spirit. Yes. He's a free spirit. And he also has a voice. And he uses it. Okay, one thing that's really shifted for me during pregnancy is how intentional I've become about what I'm putting in my body.

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34:09Are you people surprised to find that you have such a voice? Sometimes because you're like just supermodel so beautiful like are they surprised when like you talk and you work that they're like this woman like knows what she wants knows where she's going yeah maybe there's a preconceived idea about models obviously not being that smart. I don't know if it's smart it's just almost like quiet because you kind of just like you're a face you kind of like pushed around to places put things on but it also teaches you a lot of patience Oh, interesting. I have a lot of patience. And that was learned. Interesting.