Teaser: Inside Our Debrief of “AI’s Next Frontier with Christian Keller”

0:00All right. Welcome to Experiment Corner, folks. This week we're going to do a radical new experiment. We've heard from so many of you that you love the debrief that we always conduct at the end of the day. conversation so much that you wish it was a separate episode. So this week and for the next few weeks, we're going to try releasing our debrief as a teaser or trailer before we drop the full interview. So we're going to do that today. The full interview with our special guest will drop between 24 and 72 hours from now. Hope you enjoy. Give us your feedback. Hi, my name is Christian Keller. I'm an angel investor, startup advisor, and currently work as a product lead at the Meta Superintelligence Lab.

0:42I've been building AI products and models for the past 15 years, and I'm really excited today to talk to you about AI research and building AI products. Professor Vertolin, what stood out to you out of that conversation? You know what? I'm always so impressed when you meet people with kind energy who seem just wicked smart and who's just in the middle of all this. And I don't know, I just get highly energized by having this conversation. And I felt I literally could ask him, like, at thousand more questions so uh first i'm just kind of like high on the being able to talk to people like christian so that's good you're buzzing i love it you're you're glowing henrik are you do you have the man crush the end of the bit but also just warm and sweaty um i i was intrigued about this thing of you know i thought it was very fascinating to hear about this idea of the quality of models we can get out of the type of data we train on and i think his explanation of text doesn't have the same fidelity as video was intriguing because yeah thinking about it and didn't quite understand it when last time i heard about it and now i did and obviously his other point about hallucination i found that to be very fascinating i i do think like the whole bias stuff was nice to get just an explanation on because I do think that as we talked about in the pod before, we will increasingly have to be good of understanding what are some of the limitations or some of the areas where using AI will not just in different direction and then be a little bit more active and kind of like understanding that so that we don't necessarily kind of have the same thing that happened with social media happened to all of us.

2:24And so I thought this was a good conversation to have on tape and understand. I think that was my two main ones. You know, for me, the thing that it's a big theme, I think, on the show, but you use AI to use AI. And the more you work with AI, the more you discover ways you aren't. And the more you get, you know, kind of triggers of, oh, I never thought to do that. and what I find is, or AI hypothesis, I haven't tested that, but I bet those realizations start to increase over time. I don't know about you, but I feel like in the last two weeks, I've had more. I can't believe I never thought Tascad than ever before.

3:10And I'm, you know, we've been in the game for a while, right? I had this this morning with something where I, there's something called Google scripts, which I don't understand, but I use, and is basically have access to my Gmail, right? And which is my email platform. And I have now all my newsletters I get in and then every morning it looks through all the newsletters and it creates like basically a summary. And I've been using that for a while. It's been very useful. It's one of the only newsletters I read every day. It's basically this kind of like, ah, now - The meta news. It was fine, but it wasn't kind of like, it was a better idea than I found utility out of it.

3:44And so back to the thing about like finding problems, I then took the one from yesterday and went to chat to materials like this is good but it doesn't really do it for me there seem to and so I actually used the model to help me figure out what is the problem I'm trying to solve and then when like here's the different things you know it writes in a summary language you like to have a more active language and so you should change the tone you know you have these frameworks for how you see the world this a plus one framework you should basically look at not just the expression of what was in it but you should see them in the context some of the way that you're computing, whatever it was, right?

4:19And so it has these like five different things, which was like description of the problem. It's like, okay, now here's the code, Google script code, redo it and make it so I can just copy paste it back in. And then I put it in a like, it's completely night and day kind of outcome, right? And so, I don't know, I just thought it was like when he was telling us, like, yeah, I could see how you need the problem. Some of you can even use AI to help you find the problem. No, it's so important. And it just, it makes me think, you know, many times, And by the way, Henrik, you've been doing this a long time and you're a world leader and you're an expert.

4:49And it was just yesterday that you thought. And the moment you say it, it's like, oh, that's pretty obvious. And yet you just thought of it yesterday. And the point there is not to belittle, but say there are tons of things like this in people's lives. And if they aren't actively realizing, wait, could it help? And I think, you know, we can have this moment where maybe we're self-conscious. Oh, my goodness. You know, forehead slapping. I can't believe I didn't think of that. But I think another step is to be willing to say, have you asked Chachi PT? And that not be an insult. Because the honest truth is, for whoever I'm talking to, if I have the idea, chances are they haven't thought of it.

5:26And maybe the kindest thing I could do is be like, hey, you've got an amazing collaborator who's tireless and creative and willing to spitball with you. Have you invited them in? And I think that does a few things. I mean, one, if they haven't thought of it, it gives them that, oh, you're so right. And two, especially if you're a manager, if they have thought of it and they're kind of wondering whether they should, it gives them permission. And then three, as a manager, it gives you the ability to follow up and then incorporate that into your kind of story kit of cool things that you know your people are doing, right?

6:03All of that happens if you ask the simple question, did you try AI? Right. And just like we are having these kind of personal realizations ourselves, I think we can actually facilitate these epiphany moments for others if we're bold enough to ask that simple question. Amen. I appreciate you for waking up very early in the morning to do this podcast with us in Europe. So thank you so much for that. And I know you have a keynote. Can you tell what the keynote is about? I am, yeah, I'm talking with a group of private equity CXOs about shifting their mindset in how they collaborate with AI from treating it like a tool to treating it like a teammate and onboarding AI as a teammate in their companies.

6:52That's awesome. Well, with that, I think it's time to say au revoir. Salut. Au revoir. Au revoir. Au revoir. And as always, we very much appreciate when people share this with a friend because that's how we grow our audience and that's how we get better people on it. And so if you enjoy this and you made all the way here to the end. Share it. We will share it with somebody else. And the, I was about to say, and the keyword or the code word for this episode is baguette. But then I realized I was so stereotyping that I kind of like made a complete mess. can we say croissant is that better anyway let's make let's not make it that let's make the uh pass the the pie torch pie torch and with that thank you bye