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Podcast Episode Notes: Even Six Figures Can’t Save You From NYC’s Rent Crisis
Podcast Overview
- Title: The Big Take
- Description: A Bloomberg News podcast that provides insights into global economic factors and their impacts on markets, featuring informed business reporters.
Episode Summary In this episode, host Sarah Holder discusses the growing rental crisis in New York City with Bloomberg Real Estate Reporter Paulina Cachero and Fiscal Policy Institute Chief Economist Emily Eisner. The discussion highlights how even high earners in NYC are increasingly unable to afford rent amidst significant rent hikes, exacerbating the city's housing affordability crisis.
Key Points Discussed
- Current State of NYC Rental Market
- Rents in NYC have surged, with some neighborhoods experiencing increases of up to 60% since the pandemic.
- Example: A personal story from Sinead Benjamin, an illustrator earning $150K, struggling to find affordable housing as her landlord raises her rent from $3,200 to $5,500.
- Impact on Different Income Groups
- Approximately 65,000 households earning between $100K and $300K now pay over 30% of their income on rent, reflecting a significant increase from previous years.
- The traditional standard is for individuals to spend no more than 1/3 of their income on housing.
- The Great Reshuffle
- The pandemic led to a mass departure of high-earning individuals from NYC, creating a temporary drop in rents.
- As they returned, demand surged, resulting in rapid rent increases.
- Economic Dynamics
- The housing shortage in NYC is acute, with 900,000 new jobs added since 2010 versus only 300,000 new housing units built.
- Developers face challenges such as rising construction costs and limited land availability, which drives them to build more expensive units.
- Demographic Shifts
- An increasing number of wealthy individuals are renting, with the number of millionaire renters in NYC doubling since 2019.
- Lower-income residents are moving out of the city, particularly families who find living costs untenable.
- Political Response and Solutions
- The mayoral race highlights housing affordability as a critical issue, particularly with candidate Zohran Mamdani advocating for policies like freezing rent increases on stabilized apartments and constructing 200,000 affordable units in ten years.
- Current mayor Eric Adams has proposed a zoning overhaul aimed at creating more housing, but experts suggest the city needs 500,000 additional units in the next decade.
Future Considerations
- The conversation emphasizes the need for diverse strategies to address housing affordability, including preserving existing affordable housing and implementing policies that protect tenants.
- The episode ends on a reflective note regarding the sustainability of living in NYC for those like Sinead, who are reconsidering their long-term plans in the city.
Conclusion This episode of The Big Take provides a thorough examination of the challenges facing NYC's rental market, illustrating the complexities of housing affordability and the broader economic implications. The discussions resonate with many residents grappling with the high cost of living while highlighting various proposed solutions to the crisis.
Additional Resources
- [Even New York City’s Wealth Renters Can’t Avoid the Housing Crisis](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-nyc-wealthy-renters-housing-crisis/)
- [Odd Lots - Zohran Mamdani, the Socialist Who Could Be NYC's New Mayor](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-23/zohran-mamdani-the-socialist-who-could-be-nyc-s-new-mayor)
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1:40Sarah Holder:Bloomberg Audio Studios. Podcasts. Radio. News. You know that little social media meme that you walk outside New York City just to breathe, you spend 700 bucks?
1:52Emily Eisner:Sinead Benjamin grew up in Canarsie, Brooklyn. She left the city as a teenager, but came back in 2013 to start a career as a professional illustrator and art director.
2:02Sarah Holder:I moved to Crown Heights, technically like the border of Crown Heights, Weeksville.
2:05Emily Eisner:And I was lucky I got a rent-stabilized apartment for$1 ,195. But several years and apartments later, her life in New York is getting harder to sustain.
2:15Sarah Holder:I have vivid memories of being on Craigslist circa 2013 and looking at a one-bedroom for$500 off of the Elk Top in Williamsburg. Now knowing that that same apartment that I saw is now sitting pretty for like maybe close to$5K is just ridiculous.
2:35Emily Eisner:Sinead still lives in Crown Heights, in a two-bedroom with a backyard that she upgraded to in 2021. She pays$3 ,200 a month, and her landlord just told her she's raising the price to$5 ,500 a month. Rather than swallow the rent increase, Sinead decided it was time to find another spot, preferably one in Park Slope, with some extra space.
2:59Sarah Holder:I have two pets, so having a backyard is great, you know?
3:03Emily Eisner:But this time around, her apartment search has been rougher than she expected.
3:08Sarah Holder:I make decent money as an illustrator. I make around$150 a year, and I am struggling to find a two-bedroom with an outdoor seat that isn't like$4 ,500 or$5 ,000.
3:19Emily Eisner:By a lot of standards, Sinead makes a competitive salary. But her story highlights a new reality in New York City. In the wake of unprecedented rent hikes, the rent is too damn high, even for high-earning New Yorkers.
3:33Paulina Cachero:Since the pandemic, the city has changed quite a bit. And in that time, we've seen rents rise as high as 60 % in some neighborhoods. Paulina Cachero is a real estate reporter for Bloomberg. According to the most recent New York Housing Vacancy Survey, they found about 65 ,000 households, those earning between$100K and$300K, paying a third or more of their gross income towards rent. That's tens of thousands more than just four years ago. The golden rule of thumb is that you shouldn't spend any more than a third of your income on rent. So it's really changing the way that people think about New York City, what kind of life they can afford, and for some people, the long-term sustainability of living here.
4:22Emily Eisner:I'm Sarah Holder, and this is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. Today on the show, if six-figure earners in New York can't make it there, who can? how a squeezed rental market is fueling the affordability crisis in America's largest city, and how some are proposing to fix it.
4:44Emily Eisner:It's no surprise that renting in New York right now is expensive. But Bloomberg real estate reporter Paulina Cachero says there's something new about who is starting to feel the burden of high rents. New York's growing upper middle class.
4:58Paulina Cachero:This is a group of people that you might expect to have some kind of financial security, but they're really being impacted by the rent squeeze now.
5:07Emily Eisner:I think some people might hear that higher earners in the city, people making between$100 ,000 and$300 ,000 a year, feel like they can't afford rent and kind of scoff at it a little bit. It's like, OK, but you're making a lot of money. Like, it's OK. But what is the takeaway here? If it's harder for someone making six figures to find a spot without paying more than 30 % of their income on rent, what does that mean for everyone else?
5:30Paulina Cachero:Part of what's been driving up rents in the city and what economists have been observing since the pandemic is this idea of the great reshuffle, right? So during the pandemic, COVID-19 lockdowns shuttered offices. People who had the means, more often than not, white-collar workers were able to leave the city. And that provided a rare opportunity for some people to get COVID deals. They moved into neighborhoods that weren't really affordable to them, like the West Village or Tribeca. But as the city kind of returned to normalcy, these higher earners, they came back. And actually, they came back in a big way.
6:08Paulina Cachero:And that trickles down, right? So that's raised the prices of rents for everyone. Not to mention a lot of landlords were having to make concessions. to get apartments leased. They saw all of this demand as people were flooding back to the city as an opportunity to recoup some of those COVID-19 losses. And that's when you saw these, you know, immense rent hikes in 2022.
6:32Emily Eisner:Under other circumstances, these higher earning residents might have come back to the city and went looking to purchase a home, not rent one. But that's gotten harder too.
6:42Paulina Cachero:People that might have already transitioned out of the rental market are still in the rental market, and they have more means to pay higher rents as well. There's just more people renting. It's about like two-thirds of New York City's population is renting, and that's kept pressure on the rental market as well.
6:59Emily Eisner:Right. It's more competition, especially from these higher earners. Yeah. I think I read somewhere that the amount of millionaires general in the country who are renting is higher.
7:06Paulina Cachero:Yeah. The number of millionaire renters in New York City, I think, has doubled since 2019. That kind of says it all.
7:12Emily Eisner:Yeah. The number of New York City millionaires, renter or otherwise, has reached record highs in recent years. Some estimates suggest that as of 2023, one out of every 24 New York City residents is worth seven figures or more. But as wealthy New Yorkers become even wealthier, lower-income residents are being pushed farther into the outer boroughs or beyond. Especially families with kids, who are more than twice as likely to move out of the city than households without.
7:42Paulina Cachero:Those people that are leaving the city are primarily from the city's working class, people making less than$60 ,000 a year because the cost of living in New York has just become untenable for them.
7:53Emily Eisner:So you're describing a really interesting dynamic. The amount of higher earners in the city is increasing. The amount of working class folks moving out of the city is increasing. Meanwhile, rent is getting less affordable for everyone across that income spectrum. Yeah. Including for renters like Sinead. Before$150K, you could have savings.
8:13Sarah Holder:You can travel, you know, you could be comfortable in New York. And now I feel like we're all just penny pinching, penny pinching.
8:20Emily Eisner:And so when other folks from other different cities and states listen to us complain about it, they're like, oh, I wish I had$150K. And I'm like, yeah, live in New York, bro. Come on. One of the fundamental issues driving rents higher is a nationwide housing shortage, a shortage that's especially potent in New York. Between 2010 and 2023, New York City added nearly 900 ,000 jobs, but just under 300 ,000 new homes. That means more New Yorkers are vying for a limited number of units. And Paulina says that economics play a big role in swaying what kinds of homes are being built.
8:57Paulina Cachero:The developer community in New York City points to the macroeconomic conditions, right? There's very little land in New York City. Construction and labor costs have gone up along with inflation. And they can't get the financing or the funds together to build in the first place if they're not building housing that's more expensive, right? It's what they say pencils out for them.
9:18Emily Eisner:One example is Long Island City, a neighborhood in northwest Queens that's seen a lot of development attention over the last few years. From 2020 to 2024, nearly 7 ,200 net new apartment units were added, the majority of them in high-rises with elevators.
9:36Paulina Cachero:We talked to a resident who had moved there in 1989. She spent about$400 for a two-bedroom and a walk-up. How times have changed. Times have changed. If you've been to Long Island City now, you get off at Court Square. There's a sweet green. There's these tall, luxury, high-rise buildings. and that's driven up the rent quite a bit.
9:57Emily Eisner:New developments now make up nearly a third of the rental market in that part of Queens. And median rent in those buildings is$625 higher a month than a typical apartment.
10:08Paulina Cachero:It's just an example of how these developments can continue to drive up prices and also attract a new type of resident.
10:15Emily Eisner:Emily Eisner, the chief economist at the Fiscal Policy Institute, says the city's constrained housing supply plus its growing supply of high earners are exacerbating the housing crisis. From individual property owners to larger management companies, landlords take into account a variety of factors when they set rent. But Emily says some end up setting them so high, in part because there are enough New Yorkers who are willing to pay.
10:42Sarah Holder:The landlord can potentially charge$3 ,000 a month, let's say, for a one-bedroom. And that's going to push out the family with a young kid that makes, I don't know, let's say combined$200 ,000 a year and has to pay for child care because there is demand for the unit coming from someone who has fewer overall expenses and a high enough income to pay.
11:03Emily Eisner:Paulina, how unique is New York here, though? How have other cities' rental landscapes changed in the last few years? Have they seen a similar sort of bounce back of pandemic rents?
11:13Paulina Cachero:You know, these boom towns like Austin or even like in Florida where people moved during the pandemic, their rent prices soared in 2020 and 2021 but have since started to fall. And that's true like across the Midwest and the Sun Belt where people moved to. In San Francisco, housing costs dropped and haven't recovered as much. So New York City is pretty unique in how rents have continued to rise. And actually, for like most of the months this year, Manhattan rent prices have continued to hit a record high in the summer,$4 ,700 a month, which is pretty crazy.
11:51Emily Eisner:With housing costs this high, New Yorkers are looking for solutions. After the break, how the issue has reshaped the race for New York City mayor and the proposals on the table to make rent more affordable across the board.
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14:46Emily Eisner:In November, New Yorkers will head to the polls to vote in the mayoral election. The race has captured national attention after the upstart Democratic Socialist State Assembly member Zoran Mamdani dominated the Democratic primary in June, beating former New York governor Andrew Cuomo.
15:03Sarah Holder:Today, eight months after launching this campaign,
15:08Emily Eisner:with the vision of a city that every New Yorker could afford,
15:14Paulina Cachero:we have won.
15:18Emily Eisner:And with just a month to go until the general, polls show Mamdani leading by around 20 points. Bloomberg real estate reporter Paulina Cachero says that one reason Mamdani's message is resonating is because housing affordability issues are at the top of voters' priority lists, and they're also central to Mamdani's campaign.
15:39Paulina Cachero:We saw that a lot of the folks that voted for Mamdani were middle class and higher earners in the city, and people that also tended to rent. So if you take a look at Greenpoint, which is this neighborhood in North Brooklyn that was once known for its industrial roots and kind of a Polish immigrant community, saw a flood of white-collar workers in the past couple years. And rents jumped 50 % from 2020 to 2024. And roughly 72 % of Democratic voters in the area voted for Mamdani. Other in-demand neighborhoods where rents have risen quite a bit also overwhelmingly voted for Mamdani, including Soho, Brooklyn Heights, and Long Island City.
16:24Paulina Cachero:So you can see how this rent affordability question has swayed a lot of renters and renters in affluent areas.
16:32Emily Eisner:Mamdani's proposals include constructing 200 ,000 new affordable units over the next 10 years and freezing rent increases on all rent-stabilized apartments. Those are units that have limits on how much their rent can increase every year, which are set by the city's Rent Guidelines Board. Here's Mamdani talking about his policy proposals on her sister show Odd Lots in May.
16:54Sarah Holder:I am both a candidate who believes we need to freeze the rent for rent-stabilized tenants and one who believes that we need to end the requirement to build parking lots and reconstruct housing, who believes we need to increase density around mass transit hubs, that we need to upzone wealthier neighborhoods that have historically not contributed to affordable housing.
17:12Emily Eisner:Of course, not everyone is lucky enough to find a rent-stabilized apartment that would be affected by a potential rent freeze that Mamdani is proposing. So what explains why these policies have resonated with such a broad coalition that includes high earners?
17:27Paulina Cachero:I think most people know that the rent freeze policy would only apply to the New York City's about 1 million rent-stabilized units. But even then, I think it's created this kind of solidarity among renters.
17:41Emily Eisner:Other candidates have put forth their own housing agendas, albeit ones that have gotten less traction. Cuomo says he'll prioritize, quote, aggressive affordable housing development, while Republican candidate Curtis Lewa has centered the needs of small landlords. The city's current mayor, Eric Adams, has dropped out of the race, but had been highlighting his role in passing a citywide zoning overhaul called City of Yes, a plan that's designed to allow more development in more places and supposed to unlock an estimated 80 ,000 units of housing over 15 years. We see that as a really good start, but not enough.
18:16Emily Eisner:That's Emily Eisner again, the chief economist at the Fiscal Policy Institute. The city needs something on the order of 500 ,000 more units over the next 10 years.
18:26Sarah Holder:And I want to be clear that that includes both market rate housing and affordable housing.
18:33Emily Eisner:Upzonings and incentives that push developers to build affordable units can spur some of that growth. But Emily says there also need to be efforts to preserve the affordable housing that already exists.
18:45Sarah Holder:Sometimes the affordable housing sort of either leaves the affordability zone and goes into market rate, or some of the buildings are sort of going to disrepair. So we need to see various efforts to sort of keep those housing units livable and also keep them affordable.
18:58Emily Eisner:And Emily also pointed to policies designed to keep tenants in those affordable units. Policies like eviction protections that she'd advocate for expanding to cover more renters. As for Shanae, she's starting to feel like the grind to find housing in New York that meets her needs and fits her budget might not be worth it anymore.
19:20Paulina Cachero:She's had a lot of friends who've moved to the Sunbelt region, North Carolina, South Carolina. as a native New Yorker, it's not something that she thought she would ever have to entertain.
19:29Sarah Holder:My life in the city has been amazing. I've been able to carry a single household for over a decade in New York City by myself. I think New York has actually brought me more opportunities than I would have had if I had stayed in Pittsburgh for college. The only difference is that I would have rather been more of a homeowner now at this age, but New York is kind of like stopping you from a
19:49Paulina Cachero:little bit. It's just not a sustainable place. She can't have the life that she wants to live, even though she, for all intents and purposes, like made it cheap. She did everything that she thought she was supposed to do. The city has a good grip on you, but it has caused me to like
20:05Sarah Holder:look long-term future, like what would life be like in other cities where I can afford a home?
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The rent is too high…even for high-earning New Yorkers. In the wake of unprecedented rent hikes, residents across America's largest city are finding that not even a six-figure salary can protect them from the squeeze.
On today’s Big Take podcast, host Sarah Holder talks to Bloomberg Real Estate Reporter Paulina Cachero and Fiscal Policy Institute Chief Economist Emily Eisner about New York City’s stressed rental market, the domino effect it has on everyone and the proposals on the table to fix it.
Read more: Even New York City’s Wealth Renters Can’t Avoid the Housing Crisis
Listen more: Odd Lots - Zohran Mamdani, the Socialist Who Could Be NYC's New Mayor
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