In short
Houston real estate investor Joe Crocker explains how he built a cash-flowing rental portfolio in 8 months, using MLS deals, BRRRR-style refinancing, renovations, and multiple exit strategies (short-term and long-term). He also covers Section 8 rent potential and how he appealed property taxes to boost cash flow.
Guest background
Joe Crocker (Houston, TX). Background in commercial construction. Has a W-2 job requiring travel about 300 nights/year and 6x 12-hour days. Started investing after relocating to Houston; studied the “BRRRR method.”
Key claims
“Deals are still available” on the MLS; you can refinance around 90 days; short-term rentals can fail unless you’re operationally strong; every deal should have two exit strategies; Section 8 can be cash-flow positive; property taxes can be appealed.
Notable examples
Deal 1: $134k purchase (house + ADU), ~$40k rehab, refi to $161,200 at ~90 days; rents ~$2,350; cash-flowing. Deal 2: $295k package (two homes; rear occupied), taxes initially ~$13k/year reduced to ~$5k via appeal; ~$100k rehab; DSCR loan; plan for STR/backup LTR. Deal 3: $73k condo bought cash, rehab + furnished; refi after; appraised $143k; DSCR refi at 60%; STR. Deal 4 (closing): $355k (5-bed front + two-unit back), Section 8; gross rents projected ~$7,300/month; net target ~$6,000/month after expenses.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJoe Crocker's Real Estate Journey
0:45 to 2:14
Discover Joe's background and how he started investing in real estate.
“Meanwhile, Joe has already completed multiple deals this year, and he's about to close on his best one yet.”
Determining the Right Time to Invest
2:14 to 4:00
Understand how Joe managed to invest in real estate despite a demanding job.
“Why don't you tell us what traveling a lot means to you?”
Making Offers: The First Property
4:00 to 5:35
Learn about Joe's first property deal and the strategy he used to secure it.
“It's one thing to say making offers, but it's another thing to be making the right offer.”
Analyzing Deals: Lessons from the First Investment
5:35 to 7:00
Explore the analysis and decision-making process behind Joe's first investment.
“snow countertops, needed some trim work.”
Success with the First BRRRR Deal
7:00 to 8:00
Find out how Joe successfully executed his first BRRRR investment strategy.
“It's rented for$2 ,350 between the two units.”
Joe's Second Investment: Two Homes in One Deal
8:00 to 9:40
Discover the details of Joe’s second property deal and its unique challenges.
“So I'm very curious what the second deal looked like, but we'll dive into that right after the break.”
Renovation and Rental Strategy
9:40 to 11:30
Learn about the renovation process and rental strategy for Joe's second property.
“Before we get there, I got to know the numbers on this deal.”
The Importance of Exit Strategies
11:30 to 13:20
Understand why having multiple exit strategies is crucial for real estate investors.
“And so one of them is a short-term rental.”
Finding New Deals and Adaptation
13:20 to 14:00
Hear how Joe continued to find investment opportunities after his first two deals.
“If you can't sell it and make money or break even, and if you can't long-term rent it and make money or break even, then you're going to lose money.”
Joe's Real Estate Journey
14:00 to 20:42
Learn about Joe's journey in acquiring rental properties and their cash flow.
“wholesaler that had posted a condo for sale at this place.”
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Lessons Learned for New Investors
20:42 to 23:00
Joe shares valuable lessons for new investors in real estate.
“All right, we are back on the BiggerPockets podcast.”
Property Tax Reduction Strategy
23:00 to 26:50
Discover how Joe successfully reduced his property taxes significantly.
“One thing I will say there, that looks really good at first glance.”
Inspiration from a Successful Investor
28:05 to 29:17
Learn how one investor achieved significant cash flow while managing a busy schedule.
“But if it keeps going like this, yeah, I'll keep rocking it.”
Key Takeaways on Real Estate Investing
29:17 to 29:31
Discover the simple formula for building wealth through real estate investment.
“Buy something that you can add some value to, add the value, monetize it at its new higher price, rinse and repeat.”
Closing Remarks and Invitation
29:31 to 29:54
Find out how to share your own real estate story on the podcast.
“Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Bigger Pockets Podcast.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Today's guest owns four rental properties that generate over$6 ,000 in monthly cash flow. And get this, he's been investing in real estate for only eight months. People keep saying it's just too hard to find real estate deals in 2026, but Joe Crocker is clearly proving them wrong. He's not finding these properties by building lists or cold calling or even sending mailers. These are regular deals right off the MLS. Deals that you or I or anyone else can find. He buys a property, adds some value, pulls his money out, and buys the next one. That's it. Nothing complicated, nothing flashy. Just a simple strategy that works.
0:43Plenty of people are sitting on the sidelines convinced they can't get into the game. Meanwhile, Joe has already completed multiple deals this year, and he's about to close on his best one yet. He's even on track to quit his W-2 in the next two years, trading a grueling 70-hour work week for the thing most investors are chasing, a cash-flowing rental portfolio that gives you more money, time, and freedom.
1:12Hey, everyone. I am Henry Washington here, co-host of the BiggerPockets podcast. And today, we're bringing you an investor story with Joe Crocker from Houston, Texas, who just started investing but is already well on his way to replacing his income with real estate. Let's bring him on. Mr. Joe Crocker, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you. Well, Mr. Joe, why don't we start off and tell us a little bit about your background and what got you into real estate in the first place? Sure. So my background is long. I'm not a young man, but I'll give you the highlights. I have a W-2 job that keeps me on the road a lot.
1:47Due to that, I had to relocate recently into last year. Came down to the Houston, Texas area and started researching real estate. I started studying the Burr Method particularly was what I honed in on. And I work with my mom and my wife both helped me out because I'm on the road a lot. And so mom came down, we went and looked at some property, said, Hey, let's do it. And so we closed our first transaction in December of last year.
2:14Brandon Turner:Why don't you tell us what traveling a lot means to you? Because I think it's important to your story. Okay. Yeah, it is. So traveling a lot for me, it means I'm on the road about 300 nights a year. That's wild. And I work six 12-hour days. You work six 12s and you travel 300 days a year? Correct. Yeah. There's a lot of people that are listening that want to get into real estate and they think they don't have the time to fit this into their schedule. Well, my mom helps me a lot. So you need a good mother. Yes, yes. Everybody does it with some sort of help. That is very true. So you said you moved to Houston and you started researching real estate, but why?
2:55Brandon Turner:What made you look into real estate at all? Why was that even on your mind? It's been on my mind. Prior to being in my current career, I worked in commercial construction. So I've been around real estate a lot throughout my life and have done well on personal properties. And so part of it also is with that lifestyle I just described, I'm getting older. I don't want to do that forever. So I have kind of a backup plan, I guess you would say, is trying to plan my exit. And so I had to come here for work and I saw some opportunities and decided to jump in with both feet, so to speak. Did you have a goal getting started or did you just want to jump in?
3:33Well, yes, to both of those things. I would look on Zillow and for about two months, probably, I would go every night and I would just go drive properties that I saw and just check out the area and see what I liked. I just kind of get familiar. And then it got to a point where we just went, hey, you know what? You got to pull the trigger. And so we made offers on several properties and ended up with actually buying two at the same time. And so, yeah, so we definitely jumped in with both feet.
4:01Brandon Turner:It's one thing to say making offers, but it's another thing to be making the right offer. So you have to know how to analyze the deals and what makes a good deal in the first place. So was all that new to you or were you studying and analyzing prior to just making offers? Definitely studying and analyzing prior to making offers. I spent a couple months probably of actually driving every day and looking at things. I listened to your podcast and some other things, so it was familiar to me, but I really got serious about it. I would say I spent about two months of almost daily looking at properties, doing my own analysis, watching them, the MLS properties, but you could see them, the ones I think are good deals.
4:42They all sell right away, then that makes you go, okay, maybe that was a decent one. And so I spent about two months, I would say, before making offers. Well, why don't you tell us about that first one? How did you find it? And what was the goal of it? The first one was on the MLS. It was a listing that had been up for a long time. One observation I made is that sometimes when things are listed for a long time, nobody looks at them anymore. The price goes down and the seller gets super motivated. So this was, I think, kind of one of those situations. And what it was, was an estate sale where the guy was mid-flip and passed away.
5:19So what was attractive to me about it is number one, it was two homes. It was a house and an ADU on the same property. So my goal was to hold it as a rental. So what attracted me to it is it was pretty easy. The cabinets were in, but there was snow countertops, needed some trim work. The bathrooms were tiled, but not grouted. As it turned out, I had to totally rip that all out. But anyhow, it was a fairly light one. And so that was my thought on it was, hey, for the first one, I don't want to go huge. I want to try and go as easy as I can. But anyways, we bought it for$134 ,000. $134 ,000? When did you buy this property?
6:02End of December of 25. So this isn't some five-year-old deal. You paid$130 ,000 for a house in Houston, Texas. Yeah, and a guest house. And a guest house. And you found it on the MLS. Correct. There's probably tons of people in Houston right now talking about, I can't find a deal. There's no deals to be found.
6:26Brandon Turner:There's too many investors here. You can't do anything here. So it can be done is what you're telling me. It definitely can be done. So we've done three this year. About two of them were MLS deals. And I have one that we're closing next week that's also an MLS deal. So they're there. So tell us the rest of the numbers. You paid$134 ,000. How much work did it need, if any? Total budget was about$44 ,000. And I actually came in a little bit under that. So I think we spent about$40 ,000. So you're all in at$175 ,000. And I'm assuming this was a rental because you said you honed in on the BRRRR strategy.
6:59Brandon Turner:So were you able to refinance this one already? We did. So we refinanced it right at 90 days. I did the refi. It's$161 ,200 is what our new loan was. So that was a successful BRRRR. It's rented for$2 ,350 between the two units. Not a perfect BRRRR, but that's okay. I don't think you need to pull off a perfect BRRRR. It looks like you pulled out about$13 ,000 and you were able to rent this for$2 ,300 on a loan of $161 ,000. That sounds like a pretty decent cash flowing deal that you found on the MLS basically in 2026. So I don't want to hear anybody saying you can't do this or you can't do it in cities that are very investor heavy.
7:41Brandon Turner:Houston's one of the most investor heavy markets in the country. And you walked in the door, found something sitting on the MLS. I love everything about this. I love how you found it. I love how you took it down. I love that you did everything people say you can't do right now in 2026, all in one deal. Perfect. But you did say prior to telling us about this first one that you bought two at the same time. So I'm very curious what the second deal looked like, but we'll dive into that right after the break.
8:11All right, we are back on the Bigger Pockets podcast. I'm here with investor Joe Crocker, who pulled off a pretty decent bird deal in Houston, Texas for his very first deal. Get this in 2026. And he found it on the MLS.
8:27Brandon Turner:But you also said you bought two at the same time. So I'm very curious what the second deal in this two deal package look like. Get ready for this one. So I said I bought two, but they both had two separate units. The second one had an ADU too? It had two full homes. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I bit off a lot. Let's put it that way. But that one was an MLS deal too. And I'll tell you the way that I found that one, and I'll go through the numbers with you, but that one was one that was tenant occupied. So it was like impossible to see. There was no sign in front. It go terribly. I couldn't even hardly get ahold of the realtor.
9:07And then the square footage was wrong. on the MLS. And the big thing on that one is the tax assessment. I paid$2.95 for it, and it was tax assessed at$7.80. So the taxes in Texas are huge. So the taxes were$13 ,000 a year. Yeah, it was crazy. So especially for an investor that's buying rental properties, that kills your cash flow. See, everybody's like, come to Texas, there's no state tax, but the property tax is crazy. But here's the opportunity there. I appealed that since then, I appealed those taxes and I got them lowered to$5 ,000.
9:43Brandon Turner:Whoa. Yeah. That was a big cash flow pickup. Before we get there, I got to know the numbers on this deal. Okay. Tell me about it. There's two homes. So the front home is about 1 ,500 square feet. It's a three-bedroom, two-bath. And then the rear home at the time was a two-bedroom, one-bath. the front home was vacant the rear home was occupied and i paid 295 for the whole package and the the rear house at the time was occupied he was paying 1200 a month for the rear house and the the front house had been rented for 2000 for quite a while and so i was like kind of looking like one percent ish and it seemed to work so we ended up converting the garage in the rear house So that's now a three bedroom.
10:30Nice. And then we redid the front house completely. It's two blocks from the beach. So we're going to end up doing it as an Airbnb and doing the short term rental.
10:39Brandon Turner:You said two blocks from the beach. So I assume this is Galveston. Yeah, down Galveston. Yep. Man, that sounds like a screaming deal. What kind of condition were these properties in? I mean, people were living in one of them. So I assume that it was okay condition. Well, so it was decent condition. I mean, we ended up spending, partly because we're doing a short-term rental, we ended up spending about$100 ,000 fixing it up. We ended up just doing a DSCR loan out of the gate. We just put 20 % down and got no prepay and just paid cash for all the improvements. So we're in it right now, probably about$395 ,000, rough number, and it should be worth somewhere between$6 ,000 and$7 ,000.
11:18Whoa. Oh, so you got somewhere between$100 ,000 and$200 ,000 of equity on a deal you found on the MLS in 2026. That's incredible, man.
11:28Brandon Turner:Congratulations. Congratulations. And so one of them is a short-term rental. You're keeping the back unit as a long-term rental? So I think our plan right now is to short-term rent both of them. Okay. I'll tell you, my analysis you asked about that is I wanted to have multiple exits. So number one, could I sell it if things didn't go my way? Can I sell it? Yeah. And two is, can I long-term rent it? Because the short-term, I mean, you said at work down there in Gousen, 4 ,500 short-term rental permits. It's pretty competitive. So my plan was, I'll try to short-term rent it. If that doesn't work, then I'll just put in long-term tenants.
12:01And if that doesn't work, I'll sell it. That is a huge tip for anybody that's listening, especially if you're going to do short-term rentals.
12:08Brandon Turner:I don't mind short-term rentals. I have, I think, four short-term rentals, but every single one of my short-term rentals, with the exception of one that I sold recently could be a long-term rental. And the one that could not be a long-term rental, I had so much equity in it, I could sell it. Because short-term rentals aren't like it was before where you could throw furniture in anything, stick it on the market, somebody was gonna rent it, it was gonna make money. It's not like that now. Most of the people who don't know how to operate short-term rentals have exited the market or are actively exiting the market.
12:41Brandon Turner:So who does that leave in the short-term rental space? professional operators, people who are very good at this, people who know exactly what their customers need, exactly where their customers want to be, provide them the exact experience their customers are looking for. So if you're going to compete with that, you have to be good too. And if you're new, you may not be able to be as good, but you may not find that out until you get to start operating and it doesn't produce the results that you're looking for. And so if it doesn't produce the results that you're looking for, what do you do? Well, if you bought it and the only exit strategy you have is to keep it as a short-term rental, well, you're in a world of hurt.
13:21If you can't sell it and make money or break even, and if you can't long-term rent it and make money or break even, then you're going to lose money. It's just a matter of when and how much. And so I always say buy with two exit strategies for every deal. If you've got two exits for every deal, you're better protected. It doesn't guarantee you that you won't lose money, but it makes it harder.
13:42Brandon Turner:And so you kind of already mentioned that you've already bought a third deal that you are short-term renting. So did you go specifically looking for one that you would do as a short-term rental now that you had found the other two? I'll tell you what happened. I was on Facebook one day in the investor group or whatever, and I see somebody had posted a wholesaler that had posted a condo for sale at this place. So I was in Michigan at the time. So I call my mom. I go, Hey, can you go check out this condo? So she goes over there and she goes, yeah, it's good. So the guy's on the phone with me. He was asking, he started at 99 ,000 and it needed some work.
14:22So I said, Hey, I'd be a buyer, but not at that number. I can't make it work. There's no way. Cause I treat it like a flip. Right. So I'm kind of old school, 70 % minus repairs is the most that I'm going to pay. Dude, me too. I still do that.
14:34Brandon Turner:I still analyze everything as a flip, even if I'm going to keep it as a rental, because I buy it cheaper that way. Maybe I learned that from you. I don't know, but that's definitely what I do. So as time ticks, he's going, well, what will you do? So I paid$73 ,000 before it. Did you pay cash or did you get a loan? I just paid cash for it. Here you go. Here's$73 ,000. And that was beginning of June, end of May. So since then, I've already rehabbed the whole place, furnished it. It's been rented for 22 days in the month of July we have on the books. Are you going to refi out of this thing? I already did.
15:08So we already got all our money back out of that one. And it appraised at$143 ,000. Nice. That was higher than you expected. Yeah, it was good. So I ended up being in it all in, including furniture and everything, about$90 ,000-ish. And it appraised at$143 ,000. So we ended up refinancing it at 60%. So we got most of our cash back. I think we had 83 ,000 ones around. So that's good. And the kicker on a condo is that dues are 611 a month. And so you combine that with a couple hundred bucks in taxes and then your electricity, because you're paying for that. Everything else is included, but you pay for electric.
15:44And then your debt service, the payment, the payment, you know, principal and interest is about 600. So it seems like it's going to be pretty good, but time will tell. Color me impressed, man. And three pretty amazing deals in 2026, no less, in Houston, Texas, no less. And now you said, I heard you earlier, you said you had one under contract right now. So I'm assuming that's your fourth deal. So come on, give it to me. Tell me about this one. So the fourth deal, I haven't done the whole thing yet, but we're going to close the next couple of days. So again, two houses, because that seems to be my thing.
16:15So it's got a five-bedroom house in the front and then a two-unit in the back. And it's Section 8 rented. So two of the three units are occupied. So I got under contract at$355. The front unit currently brings in$2 ,800 a month. And then the rear units are$1 ,400 a piece. Well, it gets better, though. So you're bringing in$2 ,800 in the front,$2 ,800 in the back. $5 ,600. $5 ,600 gross rents. And you paid$350? $350. $355. My brain can't even hold on to the numbers. So my plan with that one, we paid$355 ,000. We got about$75 ,000 in our construction budget to just bring everything up to nicer finishes.
17:01We're going to put in quarter, even though it's Section 8. It's going to be a nice place for people to live. And then actually the rents, when we do that, we can increase the rents. The Section 8 limits are higher, so we'll be able to go up to$3 ,300 on the front unit. And then the rear units will go, one of them will be$1 ,730 and the other one will be$2 ,328. So we should be at about$7 ,300 a month cash flow.
17:25Brandon Turner:So for the people listening, first and foremost, if you have a stigma in your head about Section 8, get it out of your head. There are good tenants and bad tenants in every price class. I don't care if it's top tier$3 ,000 a month rent or if it's bottom of the barrel under$1 ,000 a month rent. There are good tenants and bad tenants everywhere. Our job as investors is to be great at tenant selection, regardless of the class of unit that we have. And so Section 8 can be very cash flow positive. And not only is it very cash flow positive in some markets, but obviously you get the guaranteed rents or a good chunk of that rent is guaranteed through the government.
18:05Brandon Turner:So in larger cities, places like Houston, typically Section 8 will pay higher than market value rents. In other words, you can get more rent out of a Section 8 rented house than you could if you took that house off Section 8 and just rented it traditionally. And the amount of rent the government is willing to pay per house goes up based on the number of bedrooms. So if you can add bedrooms, you get more rent. So it sounds like the one you're getting 3 ,300 on, that's probably the, was it a five bedroom? Five bedroom. Yeah. That's fantastic. So if you're in a larger city and you've already got rentals, you may want to call down to the housing authority and see what they pay for rents and see if it's higher than what you're currently getting, man.
18:53I love that. So$3 ,300,$1 ,730,$2 ,328. And what's your debt service on that? What are you paying for mortgage taxes and insurance? So I haven't purchased it yet, so I couldn't even tell you exactly what the payment will be, but probably about$4 ,000 a month, I'm going to guess. I mean, that's probably about right. Somewhere between 38, 42. But you're bringing in after you fix it up, 73. Wow. That's cash flow, folks. That is cash flow. Was this an MLS deal too?
19:23Brandon Turner:It was. Jeez, man. Jeez. Man, oh man. I don't even got to do the math to know that that's a screaming deal. Man, that's awesome. And you've done it by, you know, using some of your own cash, but pulling it back out. I mean, these are just traditional things that people talk about, but I love hearing how people take these methods that we talk about and they implement them in their business, man. Fantastic deal. Why don't you give us a summary? How many deals and or units do you have? And what's that putting in your pocket every month? So we have currently five and about to be eight once we get this next one closed.
19:59And I think that should cap close at about$6 ,000 a month net after all expenses. I'll take that all day long, my man. That's incredible. And like I said, you were using some of your money, but it looks like you've been able to pull the majority of your cash back out. I would say by the time we finish up this round, I'm going to call it, we should have all of our cash back and probably then some. So all your cash back in your pocket, plus you're getting$6 ,000 a month in net cash flow. And it sounds like we're just getting started. All right, Joe, I do have a couple of questions for some of the newer investors who are listening, who maybe want to be where you are 12 months from
20:38Brandon Turner:now. I'm sure you've got some lessons that you can share with them and we'll dive into those right after the break.
20:47All right, we are back on the BiggerPockets podcast. I'm talking with investor Joe Crocker, who has been killing it over the past 12 months doing multiple real estate deals that frankly anyone can do. And so I would like for you to share with our audience, maybe
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21:02Brandon Turner:be some lessons that you've learned over the past 12 months, because you've done a lot. It's not just that you bought these eight units, it's that you've renovated them and you have refinanced them and you are operating them. And so what was maybe something that was a lesson on a deal that you weren't expecting, or maybe something that did not go to plan? So lots of things didn't go to plan. So I don't want to give you the impression that this is easy. It's definitely not. The hardest challenge for me has been the financing piece because I'm ready to move really quick. And I haven't had the right lending relationship is how I'm going to say that.
21:39And I've tried a few different ones. So I'm still trying to work that out. That's probably the biggest piece, I would say. And then the other thing is sooner or later, you just have to do it. And that's going to be your lesson. So for me, the first one, it was only$135 ,000 purchase. So I figured what's the worst thing that's going to happen? It's not going to be worth zero. You know, so my risk is fairly limited and I worked out good. But I think just, you know, my best piece of advice would be if you're ready, just do it. You know, you've got to do one and may not go perfect, but that's how you're going to learn.
22:13Brandon Turner:If you're starting with a single family home, I mean, as long as you've done enough analysis to at least have a general understanding of what kind of discount you need to be buying properties at, like just buy it. Real estate, very rarely is it ever going to go to zero. You're right. So your risk isn't that you're going to lose all your money. Your risk is that you might lose some money, right? You might have to deal with some headaches, but you're going to learn something in exchange for that. And if a single family home not going well is going to put you in the poor house, then I'd say you're probably not financially ready to invest yet.
22:47You need to save up some more cash before you jump in.
22:49Brandon Turner:That's why it's important that you take your bumps and bruises on a deal where your risk is limited. So just be careful. Protect yourself. I love that. Any other lessons or things that you wish you would have done different? I think the short term rental. One thing I will say there, that looks really good at first glance. But there's a lot to it. You hit it right on the head. You can't just give people a bed. It's nowadays you got to have, you know, like this house, we end up putting in a hot tub and a fire pit and all this kind of stuff. And we do a little, you'll appreciate this. We do little gift baskets where we like, you know, give them like customized gear and a Bluetooth speaker and try and make it really inexperienced.
23:29But the Airbnb side, the other thing I didn't fully anticipate is how much it costs to furnish a complete house. And, you know, people think it's not very much. And I'm like, you know, when you do three or four bedrooms and I'm talking, you got to do everything. Three sets of bedding, the bed, the mattress, the TVs, like all that stuff. You can spend 30 grand in the blink of an eye for us in a house, especially if you want it to be nice. So that was one thing I kind of under anticipated a little bit. All right. Before we get out of here, I wanted to revisit something.
23:59Brandon Turner:You said that your second deal, which was the two SDRs on one lot, had$13 ,000 in annual taxes. And you were able to get that reduced to$5 ,000. How did you do that? So I anticipated that. That was one of the things. Just to give you a flavor of MLS, I called the realtor and I go, geez, the taxes are $13 ,000. Is that right? And she goes, yeah, if that's what it says, that must be what it is. Thanks, lady. Instead of saying like, yeah, hey, but you could appeal that and get it way knocked down. So to me, I went, that doesn't make sense. I wonder if I get that knocked down. So I did some research and you can do it here.
24:37it's once a year and you get a pretty tight window so i anticipated that as part of my buy was that i'm gonna get them knocked down so what surprised me henry is how easy it was it's so easy people do not realize this it's so easy listen here's how easy it is for everybody listening at least where i am i filled out the form and then i went down to the place in person so i sit down in the lobby for 10 minutes and the girl goes yeah come on back and just tell me what's going on and I go, well, hey, I just bought this property for$295 ,000 and it's tax assessed at$780 ,000. And that seems bananas.
25:12And she goes, oh, okay. How's your day? Oh, good. He's typing away. And then she goes, okay, are you good if we just drop it to$295 ,000? And I go, yeah, I guess. And she goes, yeah, your tax would be like$5 ,000. I go, okay. So that's how easy it was. So it's shocking. So I don't know why you wouldn't do that. I'm like, lesson to myself every time I'm going to go down there. So every year, folks, find out what your window is. In some cities, it's a longer window. In some cities, you can do it whenever you want. You just need to figure out when you can do this. But yeah, you can challenge your property taxes.
25:46Brandon Turner:So a lot of times what happens with investors, guys, is you buy something and then you renovate it and then you refi it. And then maybe a year down the road, six months, depending on whenever they do their inspections and assessments, you'll get a letter in the mail that says, hey, your property taxes are now. Why? And what most people do is they just say, man, that sucks. Okay, I guess there goes my cash flow. But you don't have to do that. You can challenge them. Some people, you have to provide comps to show that, hey, this property is similar and its taxes are lower. And sometimes you just go down there and say, hey, I don't think this is fair.
26:22Brandon Turner:And then they just look on their computer and go, okay, how's this sound? And then your taxes are lower. But it's a very easy process. There are companies that will do this for you, but you don't need to do that. You can literally negotiate these things yourself. And most of the time, they will reduce your tax bill. Not always, but most of the time, you can get a reduction, which is going to save you money and put more cash flow in your pocket. This is something everybody should be doing every year, but most people don't do it at all. I agree. All right, Joe. Thank you so much for coming on the Bigger Pockets podcast.
26:54I love that you've had so much success really in a seemingly short period of time. I'm curious, though, have you had more or less or as much success as you thought you would in your first year of real estate investing? You know, I've had a lot of road bumps along the way getting all these projects done. But at the end of the day, I think it's gone really good. So I think that probably now, if you just if I look at it as going, here's the portfolio and here's what's in there, I go, geez, yeah, we're killing it. That's great. So what's the goals moving forward? Are you going to continue to buy more?
27:30Are you going to just focus on paying off what you've got? Where are you headed? Oh, no, I'm definitely not going to sit still. So, you know, my first goal is to get to 10 and trying to figure out our lending relationships. That's the one that I think that's the one thing that's holding me back right now is you only have so much cash. And so working that piece out, That's, you know, over the next year. And I think once I get over 10 projects completed, that door will really open up. So, no, I want to keep grinding. I think 30 is where I need to be. This is in my head to kind of maybe shift away from my W-2 employment and into doing this full time.
28:05But if it keeps going like this, yeah, I'll keep rocking it. It's fun.
28:08Brandon Turner:How much longer do you think it's going to take you to get to where you want to be in terms of being able to not travel 300 days a year and work six twelfths? I think somewhere between one and two years from when I started, I'll be at a point where I will have replaced my income. Hey, that's pretty incredible, especially for starting in literally the last month of 2025 and getting this far now. Congratulations, man. Thank you. We talked a lot about these amazing deals, and I think it almost gets lost that you've done all this while traveling 300 days a year and working 612s. So if you are listening to this and you have been hesitating jumping in to investing in real estate because you don't think you have enough time or you don't think you have the resources or you don't think you can find a deal, I hope you find some inspiration in this story because none of those things are true.
28:58Brandon Turner:You can absolutely do this. You just got to do it. And I know that sounds cliche, but just talk to Joe. You just heard him for the last hour telling you he just did it. This is not an easy business. It is challenging and scary and uncomfortable, but it's a simple business. Buy something that you can add some value to, add the value, monetize it at its new higher price, rinse and repeat. If you do that, you'll look up in 10 to 15 years and realize you're pretty wealthy. And that's super stinking cool. Thanks for sharing, Joe. Welcome. Thanks for having me. All right, guys. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Bigger Pockets Podcast.
29:35and if you, like Joe, have a pretty amazing real estate investment story and you'd love to come on the podcast and share it with us, then go to biggerpockets.com slash guest and fill out the form. Maybe we'll get to interview you on the show
29:48Brandon Turner:and you can share your story with our audience. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. We'll see you on the next one.
From the publisher
People say it’s just too hard to find real estate deals in 2026, but today’s guest is proving them all wrong. He’s already bought four rental properties that make over $6,000 in monthly cash flow, and he’s been investing in real estate for just eight months.
Joe Crocker is eager to trade his 70-hour workweek for financial freedom, and he’s on track to replace his W-2 income with rental cash flow in the next two years. He’s not finding these properties by building lists, cold calling, or sending mailers. These are regular deals right off the MLS. He buys one, adds some value, pulls his money out, and buys the next one.
It’s a simple investing strategy that anyone can use, yet most people don’t. Meanwhile, Joe has already completed multiple deals this year and is well on his way to building a cash-flowing rental portfolio that gives him the money, time, and freedom he’s always wanted. Follow his model, and there’s no reason why you can’t, too!
In This Episode We Cover
The exact strategy Joe’s using to replace his income with rental cash flow
Scaling to four rental properties in just eight months while working his W-2 job
The simple property tax strategy that can instantly boost your cash flow
How to find overlooked, undervalued real estate deals in 2026 (on the MLS!)
Why you should go into every real estate deal with at least two exit strategies
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