Bloomberg Businessweek Weekend - July 17th, 2026

17 Jul 2026 · 39 min · 22 chapters

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Bloomberg Businessweek Weekend (July 17, 2026) covers: (1) Middle East ceasefire breakdown after new U.S. airstrikes on Iran; (2) Fed chair Kevin Warsh’s Capitol Hill debut on inflation/AI; (3) chip-stock volatility; (4) Bloomberg Intelligence “10 stocks to watch” for Q3—Microsoft, Halma, Telecom Malaysia, SolarEdge, Mattel, Barry Callebaut, plus others; (5) prediction markets expanding into “compute power” via Kalshi’s tool plotting future GPU/compute prices; (6) workplace dress-code debate on wearing shorts in offices.

Guests/backgrounds

Tim Craighead (Bloomberg Intelligence Global Chief Content Officer); Emily Grafeo (Bloomberg News credit reporter, fill-in); Udesh Jha (Chief Risk Officer, Kalshi; former CME derivatives executive); Kat Doherty (Bloomberg News finance reporter); Chris Rauser (Bloomberg Pursuits editor-at-large).

Key claims & examples

Microsoft seen as mispriced vs “SaaSpocalypse,” citing cloud LLM platform and Microsoft 365 suite; Halma photonics replacing copper in data centers; Telecom Malaysia enabling fiber backhaul for southern Malaysia data centers; SolarEdge Europe energy-security demand; Mattel disappointment from product-cycle shift away from dolls; Barry Callebaut squeezed by reduced cocoa content and potential El Niño supply/cost pressure. Kalshi: compute futures/forward curves aim at market-driven price discovery for hedging/trading; compute “not standardized” so multiple contracts/grades. Shorts: “okay if 90°F+” rule; cites Tokyo “Cool Biz” and workplace respect norms.

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Global Economic Updates

2:02 to 4:05

Discuss the latest developments in global politics and economics.

“Welcome to the Bloomberg Business Week weekend podcast, a high-stakes week both globally and up on Capitol Hill.”

Companies to Watch This Quarter

4:05 to 6:01

Explore ten companies identified as high-confidence focus ideas.

“With guys in shorts, I guess it's a whole other thing.”

Deep Dive into Microsoft

6:01 to 7:35

Analysis on Microsoft's market position and upcoming potential.

“Okay, well, we have to start with Microsoft.”

Emerging AI Companies

7:35 to 9:16

Discussion on lesser-known companies tied to AI development.

“We've talked about some of the big chip companies before.”

SolarEdge and Energy Security

9:16 to 11:15

Insights on SolarEdge's business and the implications of energy security.

“I know that's a company on the list where the outlook was a cloud.”

Mattel's Market Challenges

11:15 to 12:27

Analysis of Mattel's business trajectory and challenges in the toy market.

“They were on fire and then they weren't.”

Challenges for Cocoa Producers

12:27 to 13:53

Discussion on the difficulties facing cocoa producers like Barry Callebaut.

“Maybe she could build data centers, like an AI player or something.”

Introduction to CalCi and AI Trading

14:00 to 14:20

Learn about CalCi's innovative market for trading computing power.

“Our thanks, too, to Emily Grafeo, Bloomberg News credit reporter.”

Introduction to CalCi and AI Trading

14:54 to 15:22

Learn about CalCi's innovative market for trading computing power.

“Ask yourself, what are your best people spending their time on right now?”

Larry Fink's Prediction on Computing Power

16:20 to 16:51

Explore Larry Fink's insights on the future of computing power trading.

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Interview with Udesh Jha on CalCi

16:51 to 17:45

Insights from Udesh Jha about his role and vision at CalCi.

“BlackRock CEO Larry Fink said global demand for computing power is so huge that traders will one day be able to bet on a futures market for it.”

Growth of Prediction Markets

17:45 to 19:24

Understand why prediction markets are gaining traction in finance.

“Udish, you were just appointed to this position coming from the derivatives marketplace CME group.”

CalCi's New Compute Market

19:24 to 21:32

Details about CalCi's new GPU-related market for risk management.

“And today we are at Calci, we have about a very large set of institutional and direct retail participants who are able to do so.”

Positioning Against Competitors

21:32 to 23:44

Discussing CalCi's unique position compared to competitors in computing futures.

“But prediction markets are unique for a few reasons.”

Challenges in Price Discovery

23:44 to 26:37

Analyzing the factors affecting price discovery in the computing marketplace.

“Yeah, I think one of the unique aspects of our price discovery that it's market driven.”

Future of Compute Futures Market

26:37 to 28:00

Exploring the potential growth and users of the compute futures market.

“And then the market will most likely gravitate towards a limited set of usable indices.”

Emerging Demands in AI and Biotech

28:00 to 29:19

Explore how various sectors are adopting AI and predicting market trends.

“So, Udash, who do you see as using this in the first year, if you will?”

Emerging Demands in AI and Biotech

29:20 to 30:03

Explore how various sectors are adopting AI and predicting market trends.

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The Great Shorts Debate

30:37 to 40:01

Discuss the appropriateness of wearing shorts in the corporate workplace.

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Luxury Shopping at Airports

40:02 to 42:55

Discover the dynamics of luxury shopping in airport boutiques.

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1:32Carol Massar:Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio, news. This is Bloomberg Business Week Daily, reporting from the magazine that helps global leaders stay ahead with insight on the people, companies, and trends shaping today's complex economy. Plus, global business, finance, and tech news as it happens. The Bloomberg Business Week Daily podcast, with Carol Masser and Tim Stenevek on Bloomberg Radio. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Bloomberg Business Week weekend podcast, a high-stakes week both globally and up on Capitol Hill. In the Middle East, first of all, the fragile June ceasefire between the United States and Iran hit a major roadblock following a heavy new wave of U.S.

2:17Carol Massar:airstrikes on Iran. The strikes are part of a bombing campaign that President Donald Trump says will continue until Iran stops attacking ships in the Strait of Hormuz. and agrees to open the waterway. A developing story big time as we wrapped up. We should point out there were strikes kind of going on all around the region. It was just not working out as everyone expected. And oh, got to also mention all the big Wall Street banks reported earnings. And let's just say there were lots of superlatives when it came to many of the results. For the latest on that and the ongoing U.S. war in Iran, head over to the Bloomberg and to Bloomberg.com.

2:53Carol Massar:Also a focus this past week, newish Fed chair Kevin Warsh making a highly anticipated debut on Capitol Hill. He faced tough questions from lawmakers when it came to inflation, monetary policy, the economic impact of AI and more. Meanwhile, on Wall Street, chip stocks had quite a week riding a roller coaster of sharp sell-offs followed by a strong tech rebound. Ups and downs roller coaster, I think, is the right way to describe it. It is. And this hour, we keep an eye on those chips plus chocolate and Barbie. It's all in the 10 stocks to watch this quarter, thanks to our Bloomberg Intelligence team, who have identified the most interesting companies from their group of what they call high-confidence focus ideas.

3:33Carol Massar:We reveal the names and why, for better or for worse, they bear watching. Then we turn our attention to the rapidly expanding world of prediction markets. We sit down with Udesh Jha. He's the chief risk officer over at Kalshi on the company's latest tool that plots the future price of computing power. Plus, as the summer heat continues to break records, we address a hotly debated question in the modern corporate world. Is it ever okay to show some leg in the office? We're talking about, I feel like, mostly for guys here. I'm wearing shorts right now. I know you are. I guess that's the answer. Women can kind of get away with lots of things of showing legs regularly.

4:08Carol Massar:But I don't know. With guys in shorts, I guess it's a whole other thing. Bloomberg Pursuits editor-at-large Chris Rauser says, yes, it's okay to show a little leg for men. He'll explain a little later on. All that to come, we begin with the 10 companies to watch this quarter. Our Bloomberg Intelligence team has identified interesting companies from its roster of high-confidence focus ideas. It spans sectors and regions. Each scenario outlines a catalyst in the next few months that supports their case. Some of the companies highlight high stakes in semiconductor chips, the pricing power of global chocolate, and the next chapter for Barbie.

4:41Carol Massar:Helping us break it all down is Tim Craighead, Bloomberg Intelligence Global Chief Content Officer. He joined me alongside Bloomberg News credit reporter Emily Grafeo. So these companies are all part of a broader group of ideas that we have on an ongoing basis, an actively managed group of ideas we call focus ideas. You can find them on the terminal, by the way, with BI Focus. But the crux of these is that they're high conviction fundamental views, either positive or cautious from the analysts across the globe. They span all sectors. And they're differentiated from what the market seems to be discounting.

5:28Carol Massar:And high conviction differentiated. The third leg of this is there's catalysts ahead that we think will change the market's mentality. And with this group of 10, it is whittled way down. These are 10 across the globe, positive and negative, across sectors that we think have particularly notable catalysts coming up in the third quarter. So it's not the be-all and end-all, but it's certainly a high-profile topical list of 10 companies to watch. Okay, well, we have to start with Microsoft. That's the largest company on the list here. By far. The market getting wrong about Microsoft. And I love how the story is laid out because you have a picture, you have a data sheet, and then you also have a trigger, which is a note about what could trigger any movement.

6:19But I'll let you explain it.

6:20Carol Massar:Yeah, so the crux of the idea with Microsoft is that the market seems to have put Microsoft in the bucket of broad software that could be disrupted by AI. You know, there's that theme of the SaaSpocalypse where AI is going to take over everything that's software. It seems to be forgetting that Microsoft is one of the large hyperscalers. It has, through its ongoing work, arguably the leading cloud platform for large language models. And they also have a new Microsoft 360 Office suite that's coming out in the second half. We think revenue is set to surprise on the upside. And the market seems to be discounting quite the opposite.

7:14Carol Massar:I get it. I feel like we've been talking about Microsoft and watching it a lot. So I can see why you guys included that in the list. Where shall we go next? What's a name that maybe either surprised you or you think maybe, I don't know, that you find of interest? Well, I think one way to think about this, you know, the last couple of times we've had conversations, there's been AI related ideas. We've talked about some of the big chip companies before. We've talked about other hyperscalers. But we're always looking for the undiscovered AI place or the second derivative, if you will. And there's two on the list this time that I think fit that bill.

7:54Carol Massar:One is a UK company called Halma, which falls in the industrial category. They do a lot of health and safety equipment. But they've got a business embedded in their divisions that makes photonics. Botonics are an optical device that essentially helps replace copper into data center infrastructure to reduce legacy, increase bandwidth, speed, etc. And it's a big business. It's ramping aggressively. They are the supplier for one of the big hyperscalers. And we don't think that it's baked in to what the market thinks. Second one is Telecom Malaysia. You think about Asia building out AI, a lot of the data center build out has been in Singapore.

8:50Carol Massar:They're running out of space. It is space constrained. More and more data center build out is moving across the channel into southern Malaysia. And Telecom Malaysia is the digital infrastructure provider. So they're providing fiber backhaul and other services that will allow this data center build out. So two interesting sort of second derivatives plays on the AI theme. And what about SolarEdge? I know that's a company on the list where the outlook was a cloud. Again, to those just listening, this list, the outlook is either a cloud or a sun. Sorry, SolarEdge has a sun. Is that not, does AI not play into that thesis?

9:35Wouldn't they get a boost from energy demands?

9:38Carol Massar:It does and it doesn't. It does in that there is no doubt that solar and other renewable energy sources are going to play into data center energy demand. And there's a great story to be told along those lines. That said, the real reason why we're focused on SolarEdge at this point is actually the European business. and that's not so much an AI-driven issue, it's energy security. We've been through the story of Russia invading Ukraine and disrupting the gas supply. We've now been through the story of the Middle East conflict disrupting gas supply. Europe has been twice bitten and is thinking very actively about how to do more in terms of driving energy security.

10:35Carol Massar:Solar is one of those elements. And SolarEdge has seen its European business, which is about 30 % of revenue, accelerate. And we think that has further legs, long legs. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I feel like Craig keep having these conversations coming off the US war in Iran, that there are countries, whether it's China, as we are talking about in other places, that don't want to be so vulnerable when it comes to global energy supplies, like brought to their need. And China in particular, I think, is certainly looking at that. This is a stock, though, that's been on a tear up almost 100 % year to date, although about 18 % of the float is short.

11:14Carol Massar:So you get a little bit of feel in terms of what the street is thinking. I got to go to Mattel. We talked Barbie. Let's go there. They were on fire and then they weren't. Well, enough is enough, right? Right. So, sorry. No. Had to throw that in at some time. We love it. So, Mattel, you know, has a big business in the doll business. It's a big chunk of that is Barbie. And it did get a big boost by the Barbie movie back a couple years ago. But the toy business has been moving, at least from our analysts' perspective, more towards building sets and in particular trading cards. more recently. The sort of focus is off of the dolls.

12:03Carol Massar:And with that in mind, we think that they're set for further disappointment in terms of expected revenue growth. It's really as simple as that. It's a product cycle sort of story. And the product cycle is right now not in their favor. All right. You got to finish up with what? What's the matter? I just feel bad for Barbie. Maybe they could have her build something, like Barbie the Builder. Maybe she could build data centers, like an AI player or something. Sorry, Carol, go ahead. I know. I don't know. That's lame. But hey, Barbie can do anything. We know that. I got to end up with chocolate. Got about a minute left here.

12:42Carol Massar:Not a name that I'm that familiar with, but I love me some good dark chocolate. So Barry Calibut is a European cocoa producer and so they source cocoa, they process it, they sell it to the big chocolate makers, Nestle and others. A couple of things have been going on in the chocolate business. Number one, after cocoa spiked over the course of the last couple of years because of harvest issues, weather, what have you. chocolate makers have been actually reducing the content of chocolate of cocoa in their chocolate which is a negative on a structural basis for berry caliber we don't think is fully understood you layer on top of that el nino which is increasingly looking to be more severe and that could disrupt supply which increases the cost of cocoa beans which causes a cost squeeze for They're very calibrated.

13:39Carol Massar:And you end up, therefore, with a volume pressure, a cost pressure, and they're kind of stuck in the middle. We think that disappointment is ahead. All right. That makes sense. So it's not very sweet on that one, but you can get a chocolate bar. That was Tim Craighead, Bloomberg Intelligence Global Chief Content Officer. Check out the full list online at Bloomberg.com slash businessweek and on the Bloomberg Terminal. Our thanks, too, to Emily Grafeo, Bloomberg News credit reporter. She filled in while I was away. Still ahead on Bloomberg Businessweek, we know about trading AI tech stocks, but how about trading the computing power behind them?

14:14Carol Massar:CalShe ramps up its effort to build markets for just that. We check in with its chief risk officer next. This is Bloomberg.

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16:22Carol Massar:Bahamar. Life spectacular. You're listening to the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast. Catch us live weekday afternoons from 2 to 5 p.m. Eastern. Listen on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app or watch us live on YouTube. So remember back in May, I don't know if you remember this, it was at the Milken Institute, their global conference in Beverly Hills. If you weren't watching our show, if you don't remember this. Because it was on. BlackRock CEO Larry Fink said global demand for computing power is so huge that traders will one day be able to bet on a futures market for it.

16:59Carol Massar:Here's a refresher in case you missed it or forgot about it. The United States has short power. We're short compute. We're short chips. And there are going to be shortages in all three. And memory, four things. I actually believe a new asset class will be buying futures of compute. We just don't have enough compute power right now. And that was BlackRock's Larry Fink at Milken back in May. While Larry's prediction might just be coming true, Calci has created a tool that plots the future price of computing power, joining the ranks of exchange and index operators attempting to build markets around the commodity powering artificial intelligence.

17:37Carol Massar:Joining us now with more in a Bloomberg exclusive, Udesh Jha, Chief Risk Officer of the prediction market Calci, joining us from London. also with us, Bloomberg News finance reporter, Kat Doherty here in the studio. Udish, you were just appointed to this position coming from the derivatives marketplace CME group. You spent 16 years at CME. You posted on LinkedIn that you started paying attention to Kalashii back in 2024 during the elections. What struck you then and why at the end of the post you say, I've never felt this energized in a long time. What struck you about this company? I think I, as you said, I've been at CME.

18:12I was at CME for 16 years. I joined CME at the onset of the Dodd-Frank post-clearing mandates. And now, looking ahead 16 years, I think I see the same excitement in the financial industry with prediction markets, with the migration to tokens, with cloud adoption. And from that standpoint, I think Calci, at the center of a lot of that innovation, is a really exciting place. And I'm super excited to be joining at this part of the journey with them. So, Udesh, many people know Kalshi for event contracts, betting on the likelihood of, let's say, a FIFA game and who's going to be the World Cup winner.

18:53Carol Massar:You've launched a number of new products outside of event contracts. Can you talk about some of the recent initiatives and why you're moving away from or adding to event contracts? Yeah, that's a great question. I think as we have seen, event contracts are, or prediction markets are, becoming quite mainstream. For a few reasons. One is the predictive power that they provide, the very specific questions that they ask, which help the institutions, retail and other participants manage risk. And today we are at Calci, we have about a very large set of institutional and direct retail participants who are able to do so.

19:34And with that in mind, we have seen a fairly large growth in some of the very important asset classes such as crypto, such as KPI markets. And now I'm excited to talk today about the compute market, which is GPU related, that we are excited to also bring in to the marketplace for risk management and other needs.

19:57Carol Massar:And we want to dig into this. Just two quick questions. Is BlackRock involved? Right now, at this point in time, this is something that we have done organically. We do have pricing information that comes from one of our partner vendors that's available on our website. But we do expect large institutions to take advantage of this innovation by looking at the forward curves and use it to price deals, to do OTC contracts, to do other sorts of derivatives for their purposes. And I know it's early. Are people calling you already? because they're interested in terms of various institutions or institutional investors?

20:34Yes, we are. We are getting a lot of inbounds because we are filling a void in this marketplace, which was very important. If you're Bloomberg, for example, is very big in the swaps market, as you know, for pricing interest rate swaps or any other derivative or any other deal that depends, forward curve is very important. It is extremely valuable for anybody doing a five-year swap or a two-year swap to know what would be the rate on a particular index out there. And that's precisely what we have done. We know that eventually this market is going to become quite large. Some estimates of the total addressable market size are in trillions.

21:18If you look at the amount of funding committed by the hyperscalers, they are north of 500 to 600 billion just for 2026. And if you look at multiples beyond that, what this market could be, it's a very large market. So we are getting a lot of inbound, but we do want to start first with a natural requirement, which is to bring price discovery in the marketplace so that it can be used for hedging, trading and other purposes down the line.

21:49Carol Massar:So CME Group said back in May that it would launch computing power futures linked to an index compiled by silicon data intercontinental exchange it owns the new york stock exchange and i'm reading right from from cat's article here teaming up with the financial infrastructure firm oran to add futures contracts for computing power why are you better positioned to build this tool than they are i think i would start by saying that by by by such cme and eyes and others uh it actually lends a lot of credence to the marketplace to the demand for this but that's it in addition to what Larry Fink said earlier.

22:22But prediction markets are unique for a few reasons. One, the compute or the GPU market is not standardized at this point in time. There are many different factors that play into that index. It could be locations, the chips, the different kinds of chips, the grades, the different uses. So rather than focusing on a particular index or a particular contract, the prediction market allows us to list several of these contracts, which is what we have done. And the prediction market also ensures very robust price discovery at much lower levels of total open interest that we have seen through many of other contracts.

23:01So this is where it is very uniquely positioned to bring in a more accurate price discovery than focusing on one or two different grades of the marketplace and do a traditional future.

23:16Carol Massar:So eventually, you're mentioning an issue that has been raised in terms of this is a nascent asset class. It is a market that is evolving. We have a number of exchanges, as Tim mentions, that have gotten into the compute market and trying to develop it. Why is this price discovery that you're talking about, do you find it to be a more accurate indicator of where compute prices are at this moment? And then with this forward curve where they are indicated at a future point in time? Yeah, I think one of the unique aspects of our price discovery that it's market driven. There are some forward curves out there, but they are derived not out of market inputs, but through either OTC deals or other bilateral contracts.

24:03But ours is a true market driven. And that is where the power of the wisdom of the crowd of the marketplace. And the accuracy that comes out of it comes to full form. And that's why it's unique and the first in its category.

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24:19Carol Massar:And who do you see as your core users for this product? We do expect to see a variety of users. I think on one side, you have the natural sellers of compute, hyperscalers, you can have the neocloud providers. On the other side, there are the users of compute, you know, AI inference companies, medical research companies coming up with which have significant computing needs to do drugs research, retail, many of which would like to, which were interested or are speculators in the marketplace. So we do feel this, just like many other commodities, to have a breadth of producers or suppliers and demand that will propel this ecosystem or the marketplace.

25:04Carol Massar:Udish, I want to try to understand some of the nuance in this and how you account for the nuance. Maybe it's algorithmically. I'm just curious from you. In this release, Tarek Mansour, the company's founder, CEO, says that compute is the new oil. Compute futures will eventually dwarf oil futures. Oil, though, is fungible. It's a barrel of Brent. It's a barrel of Brent. It kind of doesn't matter. An hour, though, on an H200 is not the same as an hour on a B200. chips depreciate new architecture arrives every 12 to 18 months pricing power shifts how do you build a reliable forward curve on a commodity that kind of like as soon as you know it's like a new car it becomes obsolete or it depreciates you know as soon as you drive it off the lot and and and that's a very very important point that you make tim i think as i mentioned earlier this this marketplace is still finding its footing there are several grades that several you know different tanners several different categories that that that give the appearance that it is it is quite dispersed i would like to say that even in the oil market there are many different grades there is the wti cushion grade there is the wti but there are various forms of wti but the marketplace has gravitated and formed a representative index which which is which is good for the market and then there are basis products that that that derive so we expect the marketplace place to gravitate towards that.

26:25And the prediction markets and our forward curve to be a good enabler so that markets, our users can see the price on different grades of GPU compute and different tenors. And then the market will most likely gravitate towards a limited set of usable indices.

26:44Carol Massar:Udesh, I wanted to ask, so we have this forward product that you have just released, But the intention moving forward, could you and do you plan to release other products that are investable products on top of this forward curve? Yes, I think the forward curve is sort of your foundation to do other products such as futures, such as swaps, such as any other derivatives. So we'll see where the demand takes us. But I think our focus in the very immediate term is to build liquidity on the markets that are driving this forward curve so that this becomes the anchor or the benchmark for the industry.

27:26Carol Massar:So one of the things I'm curious about is, and follow me for a second if you get, like, who actually trades this in the first year? And I bring it up because the buyers who need it this most, we're talking about the AI startups using millions of compute for training, right? There's that, are also the ones least able to post margin and kind of manage derivatives risk. The sellers, the hyperscalers, you know, whether it's AWS, whether it's Google Cloud, they have already, in many ways, locked in capacity through those long-term contracts. We talk about it a lot here at Bloomberg. They have no obvious incentive to essentially give up some of that pricing power to an exchange.

28:02Carol Massar:So, Udash, who do you see as using this in the first year, if you will? And what happens if liquidity is too thin, so thin to produce a meaningful price signal, which is so important to really a truly functional marketplace? You're very right. I think there is a lot of capacity that the hyperscalers have already committed to. But we are also seeing an astronomical speed at which the demand is growing over the last six months or even a year, if you look back. The adoption of compute that are heavily dependent on AI and others have been growing on quite. So there are going to be quite a few on the demand side that will emerge, whether it's financial institutions or drug research institutions or neoclouds lending.

28:46So we do expect, and then retail, of course, for an asset class, which is as exciting and potentially volatile. I think we will see retail and other speculative power come in as well. And I do expect hyperscalers to at some point in time do look at this market as well.

29:04Carol Massar:That was Yudish Jha, Chief Risk Officer at Kalashir. Thanks as well to Kat Doherty, Bloomberg News finance reporter. Now a couple of days after our interview, Kalashir announced it's expanding into biotech by offering wagers on the outcomes of clinical trials. Also, it's getting into predicting flight delays, too. Sounds like everything it's getting into, so stay tuned. Hey, still ahead on Bloomberg Businessweek, to wear or not to wear shorts. We debate the ultimate summer corporate workplace battle. That's with the shorts wearing Chris Rauser. This is Bloomberg.

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31:05Carol Massar:Healthcare just got less painful. This is the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast. Listen live each weekday starting at 2 p.m. Eastern on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app. You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station. Just say, Alexa, play Bloomberg 1130. Who wears short shorts? We wear short shorts. If you dare wear short shorts. All right. You. I was taking. Hopefully, there was a little bit of a debate. Like when we were talking about doing this on the show today, there's like sort of a divide between who knows this ad and this song versus who doesn't.

31:47Carol Massar:I think the three of us sitting here know this. Yes. Are familiar with this. Taking you back to the 70s. Or yeah. Or just like it's kind of legendary. It is legendary. Like it's, you know, being culturally literate. So we're talking about shorts in the office. We are. here's what I've started doing over the past few years as you guys know I wear shorts on my commute because it's like tomorrow's gonna be 97 degrees I'm walking I walk miles dropping these kids off at camp or school or whatever I sweat a lot in this humidity and then I get into the office and I basically run from the elevators trying to avoid everybody and go and change into actual workbooks Chris Rouser is not the same.

32:33Carol Massar:He wears shorts into the office and he wears them proudly. He looks great. Oh, and you can actually see them if you're watching this on YouTube or Bloomberg Originals. There they are. Yeah. The shorts are nice though. They're ironed. Sometimes they're pleated. I don't sprint to my desk. I prance. I strut. I am proud of wearing shorts. There's a list of about a dozen people in this building who I do not want to see between when I'm wearing those shorts and when I'm changed into a suit. Yes, I have seen some of those people. The voice you hear is Chris Rauser. He's editor-at-large for Bloomberg Pursuits.

33:07Carol Massar:He's probably the only person who can write 2 ,000 words about shorts and wearing them or not to the office. And I think, Chris, it's actually an important story for our time. We're going to talk to Mark Gongloff in a few minutes about heat and weather and sort of what we're going through here in the U.S. and in Europe this summer. but the conversation is particularly relevant right now. It's very important. Thank you for paying attention to this very important subject. We do. So you get into the history a little bit in the piece, but why are shorts having a moment? Well, shorts are having a moment on runways, on streets because it's so hot, and a little bit in offices.

33:46Carol Massar:I have been on a warpath for a couple of years now where my rule is if it's 90 degrees or higher, you get to wear shorts to work. Now, I know I'm wrong. We did a poll of Bloomberg users, and only 45 % of people thought it was appropriate to wear shorts to work. And many of them left comments like, yes, of course, if you work in a surf shop. One person said, AI is taking all our humanity. All we have left is pants. So this is an unpopular stance. But the world is changing. France recorded its hottest temperature ever two weeks ago. And there's no air over there, right? You see. the tube in London is like a hell pipe.

34:31Carol Massar:It's just truly miserable. Why can't we wear clothes that recognize that we have actual bodies that exist in an actual world? Yeah. I ask you. What's wrong with that? Tell us what's going on, too. In Japan, didn't they kind of come out, I think the governor, and declare that male municipal workers were allowed to wear shorts to work? Yeah, so Japan and Tokyo has had this initiative, Tokyo Cool Biz. since like the mid-aughts, which was basically like, we don't need to be so dressed up. We can relax with some of our codes. And then this year, they went as far as to say in April, okay, you can actually wear shorts to work because for saving money on air conditioning costs, it just was like an actual civic duty.

35:13Carol Massar:Interesting. You should wear shorts. And that's a very formal culture, much more formal than we are, yeah. Exactly. You know, it's funny in your piece, you quote people, Well, some of them are investors that people have heard of, like Bill Ackman. Some are prominent doctors, real estate brokers who are touring multimillion dollar homes, partners at prominent law firms. Yes. Every single one of them was like, do not wear shorts. Correct. In fact, the part of the law firm said three piece suit, tie and dress shoes that are made of leather that are black or brown. No sneakers. Yes, correct. That person also recognizes that he is on the more formal edge of the spectrum.

35:52Carol Massar:He said no backpacks except if you're an intern. But yeah, most people feel like it's not okay. A lot of people I spoke to, like that real estate agent, like this interior designer, even people who are not in strictly formal offices, if they've ever been shamed or yelled at by someone, which a lot of us have, including me in this office, it sticks with you. And you're like, okay, my behavior code is set by somebody disapproving of me, and then it sticks with me for the rest of my career. Wait, was Bill Ackman talking about giving up short selling? Well, he's already given up short selling. Okay, but he doesn't wear shorts either.

36:28Carol Massar:I asked him about short shorts, and he said, no, no, I don't. But he does play tennis, and he wears shorts when he plays tennis. Yes, but not in the office. All right. You know, I love this, but it wasn't always so. Before the 19th century in the West, as you write, displaying the body was central to displaying masculinity, specifically showing some leg. Oh, yeah, like men in courtly situations, they wore culottes or they wore breeches and then they wore stockings. Oh yeah, kilts of course. And like when he, in the painting John Trumbull did of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, John Adams is showing his calves.

37:01Carol Massar:Like if he can do it, you can in your next, do your next RFP talking about your KPIs, I swear. No, it's really true. Like what happened? Is it just because I mean you get into, I really love like industrialization, suits becoming cheaper like people could afford more yeah showing that you're not showing that you're not a laborer right right that you're you're not working in in you know you're actually working in an office it's a class thing you guys see how easy it is to write 2 000 words about this stuff it we are blown away it used to be like wearing clothes that recognized that you lived in a world and used your body was like for poor people it was like only serfs did that uh you know courtly people wore corsets they wore really restrictive clothing that was like almost you couldn't move in at all and pretended that you weren't in like a boiling hot world.

37:48Carol Massar:And then that, when the founding fathers started America, they basically, it was a lot of white men who were like, oh, that's too fancy. Like that, we have to reject European frippery, like French, of course, we have to wear black suits. And that became the American uniform at work, especially through the industrial revolution when like suits became cheap to make. And that actually spread around the world. So in a lot of countries everywhere, people in offices are wearing dark suits and it's been remarkably unchanged. We're not wearing wigs though. We're not wearing, you know, delicate shirt coats.

38:20Carol Massar:Yeah. So it could be worse is what I'm saying. That's true. I mean, I don't understand. Like we, you know, we went to casual Fridays and like people were in khakis, you know, the pandemic and then we came back to work and we're still wearing our yoga pants. And you know, when the runways show me, I don't know if we have this picture and producers, I don't know if we can show that. If you didn't put this out, we're going to have to talk after the show. Um, but when runway start showing guys in here. Blazers with shorts. Well, she's talking about a different picture. There's a, yeah, there's a Yves Saint Laurent menswear look from this summer where the model is wearing truly like a nightmare, like an actual nightmare outfit that I've actually had a nightmare about.

38:58Carol Massar:He's walking down the runway with a big blazer, sort of a sweater top and no pants, no pants. You could maybe describe him as shorts, but it's really like more of an undergarment. We've all had that dream. We're talking with Chris Rauser, editor at large of Bloomberg pursuits, the only man we know who can both write 2 ,000 words on wearing shorts to the office and then wear shorts when it's above 90 degrees. Yes, Carol? You know what I find interesting is you also talk to people in the fashion industry, and there was one person who said, when I was an intern at Women's Wear Daily in Paris as an 18-year-old, in my exit interview, I was told by my editor that it was inappropriate for me to wear shorts to work.

39:36Carol Massar:It was sweltering in Paris. But I was thinking anything connected with fashion would be like, anything kind of goes. I mean, it's so much about respect, right? Like if you're a journalist, and I want to really say this, like I once wore sandals to work when I was a young reporter at the New York Daily News. And someone talked to me about it. And they were like, because we had to run out and interview people that something happened in an emergency. And it was disrespectful. And that is real. Like if you're meeting with people, how you present yourself. If you're formal, it talks about how you respect yourself, how you respect the people you meet with.

40:03Carol Massar:That people, that really sticks with people. But if you're just hanging out at your desk or you're moving around the city, I don't know, guys. It's hot. Dress for the job you have. Listen, if you do what you love, you never work a day in your life. You get to write 2 ,000 words about wearing shorts to work. It's not work. Are we going to talk about luxury shopping? Maybe we have to move to Norway because they kind of get it, right? Yes. Why is everybody talks about Norway right now? Well, I know. It seems like a place to be. but they're they kind of inside outside right environment like they just kind of embrace it all like Bermuda they wear shorts Norway they have this this sort of metaphor for life called frulitsliv frulitsliv I don't I always get it wrong sounds good which is basically like outdoor life outdoor living is life and the more you recognize the world and your place in it and the more you spend time passing through it the better you are mentally and physically Norway we're oh we got the shorts pick I guess Oh, do we have it?

41:02Carol Massar:You know, I went to Norway. Can we bring it up? Maybe like nine years ago, 10 years ago with my wife. For those who, well, I'm just going to say, for those who are listening on radio, that is the picture that Chris said. Yves Saint Laurent? Yves Saint Laurent, yeah. Yeah, and it's a guy with a big blazer, but not much else, right? Yeah, we clearly still haven't figured out what to wear with socks, but that's a whole other thing. Let's talk about luxury shopping. You were saying you were in... Well, I was in Norway and this whole idea of outdoor culture, there's a law, at least there was back then.

41:30Carol Massar:you were literally allowed to camp anywhere on the side of the road. So you'd be driving through these amazing roads and people would just be pulled over. And everyone's, it's not like campsites in the U.S. I mean, everyone is so respectful of the outdoors. They're so respectful of their surroundings. But it's just widely accepted that you can pull over and you can sleep outside. Are we going to tease this one other story? Yeah, let's tease this other story. So if I can't get like a Chanel bag that I'm coveting, I just have to go to the airport? I wouldn't say you just have to go to the airport.

41:58Carol Massar:but airport shopping you always go by those uh boutiques whether luxury or not like you walk by chanel at the airport you're like there's never anyone in there but actually they do a big business a lot of them are owned by these big sort of uh mega companies that run them all so it's not necessarily like brooks brothers owning the brooks brothers store um but they're small footprints and they do a lot of business it doesn't have to be a lot of people in there and it's stores like chanel and her meds if you have a good relationship with them they can actually get you good stuff not Not a Birkin bag.

42:26Carol Massar:Okay. But like good stuff. And if you can get someone's phone number, they'll like call ahead, order stuff, have it ready for you. You just pick it up tax free. Is that wild? I'm always going to airports being like, who is in here buying stuff? Because they do always look empty. Yeah. But people spend a lot more time in airports because you're so worried about getting, you know, getting caught up in lines and stuff. So people are in airports for a long time and they just shop. I love that you like call ahead and you'd be like, I'm going to be flying into the airport in like two weeks. And they hold stuff for you.

42:52Carol Massar:Yeah. Unbelievable. Our thanks to Chris Rauser, Bloomberg Pursuits Editor-at-Large. And that wraps up our weekend edition of Bloomberg Business Week from Bloomberg Radio. Thank you so much for joining us. Be sure to tune in to Bloomberg Business Week daily Monday through Friday starting at 2 p.m. Wall Street time on Bloomberg Radio, Bloomberg TV, and on Sirius XM Channel 121. You can also watch our daily broadcast on YouTube. Just search Bloomberg Podcasts. We're simulcast on Bloomberg Originals, available on Bloomberg.com slash originals, and streaming platforms including Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Samsung TV Plus, and more.

43:23Carol Massar:Find our Bloomberg Businessweek podcast at Bloomberg.com, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts. This past week, we featured a conversation with Mark Gurman. He's Bloomberg Managing Editor for Consumer Tech. We talked Apple's lawsuit against OpenAI, accusing the company of systematically stealing its intellectual property, as well as OpenAI's latest move into consumer hardware. Plus, the latest edition of the magazine. It's available on newsstands now at Bloomberg.com and always on the Bloomberg Terminal. I'm Tim Stenevec. And I'm Carol Master. Have a good and safe weekend, everyone. Do stay cool and stay with us.

43:54Carol Massar:And wear your shorts, maybe. This is the Bloomberg Business Week Daily Podcast, available on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Listen live weekday afternoons from 2 to 5 p.m. Eastern on Bloomberg.com, the iHeartRadio app, TuneIn, and the Bloomberg Business app. You can also watch us live every weekday on YouTube and always on the Bloomberg Terminal.

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