Are You Self-Tanning The Right Way? With Khloe Kardashian’s Self-Tan Guru, Sunkissed by Jenni

24:36Okay. So if somebody is doing this at home, they don't have you on call, what's sort of the go-to method for avoiding streaks or just getting that application primo? Yeah. I was trying to think of the things you were doing when I was standing up in that booth before we started the spray tan, you were kind of like, what were you doing again? My elbows and knees and stuff? Yes. So definitely barrier cream. So if you're doing it at home or whether with a professional, you want to make sure your porous areas are hydrated. So whether I'm putting it on or you're doing it, put lotion on your hands, your elbows, your feet.

25:15There's so many steps as far as making sure it's, you know, clean and perfect and seamless. But But that is a huge factor to make sure those areas are the same texture as the rest of your body. And which one? Like a CeraVe lotion for that? Or what's the one you use? Yeah, we use like more of a thicker, not necessarily like shea butter, but like that kind of thick consistency to have a little extra hydration. Because you don't want to block it, but you also don't all want the sunless tan to fully absorb. Okay. What's the one in your kit? You know? No, I don't even know. I use so many, but I do have a couple bottles of the Necessaire, which I love because it's fragrance-free.

25:57They're lotion. I have used that. That's great. As long as we have one that people can get a sense of what you're talking about. Going back to the application method and avoiding the streaks, like just talk us through like what you do. Yeah. So what I do or what you would do? What would you do at home? Okay. Yeah. So I would make sure I have an arsenal of sunless tanning like products. Yes. Whether it be like a kabuki brush. I have, you know, a buffing brush, more of like a wide span brush, a mitt. I'd have a foam. I'd have like an aerosol spray or a water pump spray because you want to use different things for different parts of the body.

26:36How I would do it would be to put on gloves, first of all, and get my whole body with the foam on the mitt. Okay. So So I would get my whole body, excluding my hands, feet, and elbows. Try and get that as much as possible. So when you say put on gloves, you mean like rubber gloves. Rubber gloves. So you don't get any product like sitting on your hands for a prolonged period of time. It's crazy the transfer. Like I don't even know. I wear gloves. I have this. Like I don't even know where I came from. It would be like, you know, kind of like dyeing your hair without gloves. Or even when you dye your hair at home, you still get, you're like, oh my God, it's on my phone or whatever.

27:12So if you want to like cross your T's, dot your S's, rubber gloves, apply the foam all over the body because I feel like foams tend to hold better. It's more concentrated. So then… Starting where? I like to start above the ankles. So I'm starting the legs and work up. That way if you don't do all this and you bend down, then you're creasing the stomach. So I like to start down and work up. Smart. And then I'll take the foam. I'll put it… And are we talking about golf ball size per leg? What are we doing? Good point. A pump, which it depends how dark you want to go. It depends the span of the leg.

27:51So I would say I like the golf ball reference. Like put that there, do it, and then make sure you know. Or one pump. One pump is a good reference per leg. Per leg. That way you can disperse the same amount for each leg. Yeah. And then you're going to pump, take the kabuki brush, and then you'll do your feet actually next. So, and then you're going to do half the amount. You don't want to do the same amount because it's going to soak up. And then you buff in and you get all like... The tops of your feet, everyone. Do not be self-tanning the bottom of your feet. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Not cute.

28:27But yeah, the tops of your feet and that's why the brush is so good because you can get around the ankles. Love this too. Back of, what is that? Our Achilles? Achilles, yeah. That can be so dry. Yes. And so telling of a bad spray tan. So when I'm putting on lotion, I make sure I massage that Achilles to get the hydration in there so it doesn't soak up a lot of solution. So I'll take that brush. I'll buff around in between the toes so you don't have the tops of the toes tan and then, you know, the sides white. So you get everywhere. It's great. It's going to be seamless. It's not going to be different than your leg because you're using a different applicator.

29:04And then you'll buff your elbows and then you'll do hands. Well, then you'll do face. I like face. You do your hands last. I like to use any type of mist, whether it's an aerosol or a pump mist for the face. I feel like it's just very seamless. What's your favorite one? Oof. I had a feeling you guys are going to ask me that. I do like a tan water. So there's Tan Luxe has really good products. Sephora. They're very clean and simple, user-friendly. They have like a tan water. Yeah, it seems to be a cult favorite. That line, Tan Lux. Yeah. Yeah. It's very mainstream. I also like a clear for the face because I have very sensitive skin and I don't want those bronzers to clog my pores.

29:51Yeah. That makes sense. Nuda has a tan water spray. That's a Canadian company. Do you know that one? I do know of that. They have a very good professional line as well. That's more prevalent here than their retail. Yeah. I think so. But they're well known. Yes. Yeah. And also I think Salty Face has. Yes. Thank you for bringing this up. There's so many in my head. They have a tanning water spray as well. Yes. And they sell the kabuki brush with it. That's right. Yeah. A lot of my clients. I like both of those brands. I was going to ask you about clear formulas versus not clear formulas. What's your recommendation?

30:26I love a cosmetic bronzer. I love to see it go on the skin. We all love instant gratification of having that color. But I also like the clean products. And when you take out all those dyes, you're really omitting some like major key products that aren't in there. Those ingredients, the colors, the CLs. So you think it's better for like your face, for example, where you might react? I do like clear for the face. Yeah. Okay. That's a great tip. Okay. So we've done the face, the body, the feet. What's left? The hands. The hands. Let's talk. Go ahead. So same like the feet, you're going to do the, whether you use a foam or whether you use the pump, you want to use that kabuki brush for the hands.

31:17You want to make sure you buff it in. You're doing the claw-like motion to get in between those knuckles, creases, and then blending the wrist. So that way the hands are last. You're done. You don't have to touch anything else. You That's your last step. And do you like rub your palms on like a wet wipe or something? Yeah. I mean, well, since you're applying it yourself, you don't necessarily, but you can. And because you're doing, if you have a heavy hand and you're like this, then definitely. You want to take that baby wipe and get around the cuticles. You want to wipe the palms. And I love a padding motion around the wrist so that you get that nice seamless transition from the wrist to the palm.

32:02Just like blending makeup. Exactly. Yeah. you know now pat don't rub they always say do you happen to know those mitts the applicator mitts are they washable like how do you because they get so gnarly yeah so you can either wash them or you can just put them in your sink in water with the beauty blender has a really good really good liquid soap for the brushes for the brushes right right so that's really good or you You can, yeah, you can stick it in the washing machine. If you're using like a mild detergent or something clean. Yeah. But it sounds like you're not using a mitt. You're using rubber gloves, right?

32:40Or on yourself, you do what? Well, no, the rubber gloves were just to keep your hands clean and under the mitt. And I also feel like it creates good traction when the mitt's on to get that. Because, you know, sometimes it slides around. So that rubber mitt helps. Let's you manhandle your legs. Yes, exactly.

33:02It's quite a job. Now, how long does that take you to do? Well, I mean, I don't usually do this. Yes. Fair enough. Fair. But if I were to do this, 15 minutes. Okay. And how long did it take you to do Carlene's head to toe, start to finish, from in the door till you're out the door? 30 minutes. Yeah. That's 30 minutes. She's also doing a spray, which is different. No, I'm just saying, yeah, if you're a celebrity, like you're doing it in like 30 minutes or less. Yeah, about 30 minutes. Well, like if depends, but it could be 45 to 30. But this is set up. This is a consultation spray and breakdown.

33:37Yeah. Wow. You're not messing about. I love that.

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35:54So let's talk about afterwards. So how long should you wait before putting on clothes, applying makeup? What's your instruction there? Okay, so I would say about 30 minutes. You want your, it will be tacky, but you want that just to kind of tone down a little bit. Makeup, I don't suggest like heavy foundations or anything like that. If you do, you can do the padding with the concealer around areas and you can do that. Again, I would say about 30 minutes is like a nice solid. And don't cross your legs like I did. Oh, shoot. Any skincare ingredients to avoid that night? So after you rinse, you want to make sure you stay away from like any acids, like the salicylic acid, the glycolic acid, great hydrating products, or like hyaluronic acid is fine.

36:44And anything moisturizing is good. But anything that's stripping the skin, that's not good. So the one that you do, you rinse after how long? I guess it depends. Depends if you do like an express or a regular. So the express is anywhere from two to six hours or the regular is eight hours or longer. It plateaus at eight hours. But the express, two to six hours, the sooner you rinse, the lighter it will be. And then the eight hours, it's just like once you rinse at eight hours, that's what you are. That's the level. Yeah. And what about, I don't know because I didn't experience your treatment, but what is the smell like?

37:27Because I still feel like that is something that people are curious about, may find a little off-putting sometimes. Yes. What do you think? Has it improved? It has improved. Yes. It has improved. The smell is based on like the DHA and it reacting to your pH. So you may have a smell with one product, but not another. It's not like you are going to have smell with all of them. I think the way you apply it also helps. So we feather around the armpit the way we spray. So we don't like spray the armpit. I think that helps as well. But yeah, it's just really depends on the product and your pH and finding what would work for you.

38:09But I think overall it has improved. Okay. I realized I forgot to mention something very important. If you're self tanning at home, how do you get the back and do it well? Yeah, that's difficult. So there's a couple things. One, they have this long foam kind of like, what? It's like a towel. Mitt on a stick? Well, you can't do it. Okay, so you can put your mitt on your loofah or a hanger. So the hanger, you know, that side, and then just put it back. It's a little difficult. Or the loofah, you can put it on. You just want to make sure it adheres to it so that you can get it. But they do make this long kind of band, like applicator that's velvet, the same material as the mitt.

38:57Oh, I see. So you put your foam on there, and then you just go like this. Oh, who's making that, I wonder? I feel like I've seen those on Amazon and stuff. Yes, I was just going to say Amazon has all those. Yes, all kinds. What are your favorite at-home brands for self-tanners? Yeah. So I like, now that you bring up Salty Face, I really do. And I have a lot of clients that like Salty Face. Yeah. Again, I go to Sephora. I'm going to purchase like the Isle of Paradise has a really good spray. I do like the Tan Lux brand. I think when you go to like the higher end stores or like Sephora as compared to a drugstore, there's a difference in the DHA quality.

39:38Oh. I think the DHA in those stores are a little more rich, whereas the drugstore, it has a hint more golden to it. So wherever these companies are sourcing their DHA, that's where you're going to, you want the best quality DHA. Oh, I didn't realize there were different qualities of DHA. Yes. So you can get DHA. I mean, you can get it from Europe, Australia, China. They formulate it in the U.S. And it really depends. You want to make sure you get it from a good quality formulator. Oh, okay. Manufacturer to bring to your formulator. What are your thoughts on Bondi Sands? I feel like they've really popped off.

40:23Oh, yeah. I do like Bondi Sands as well. They have a professional and retail. They have a really good foam, too. Yes. Oh, gosh. There's so many brands. I just know, like, yeah, a lot of Aussie. because it's Aussie to your point. And they really stay out of the sun, of course. Yeah. And I think a lot of brand, a lot of sunless tanner brands. There's another one called Loving Tan. Everyone uses the Loving Tan foam. That is like. It's a cult favorite. Yeah. Huge following. Now that you're saying. I'm still obsessed with, I still think the best tan I ever got, I don't get it a lot, is Saint Tropez in terms of the, I got a spray tan with it.

40:59And I really liked it. Oh, their professional line? Yeah. They have a great professional line as well. Yeah. They've been around a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, geez. Now you have your own line. Is that right? I have a professional line. Professional line. Yes. OK, got it. So not a nothing you can buy at Sephora. But I understand that you customize all of your shades to your client, like the shade you're going to use and also the texture. so maybe you can tell us about that and how what's the best way for us to find a tone that's going to suit us if we are buying it off the shelf so yes the questions like when you're about to self tan whether it's with a professional or at home is what's my skin tone what's my skin type dry oily normal?

41:49And what's my desired color? So those are the main questions to know where to go from there. I think if you have dry skin, you want to look at the ingredients on the bottle, make sure it's free from alcohols, which will dry out your skin, free from fragrance. That's difficult with a lot of retail brands. And make sure it's more hydrating, hyaluronic acid, glycerin's really great. So you really want to know your skin and then the products. So color-wise, I always say less is more. Just start off small to see how your skin reacts with the DHA. You don't want to start off with like a heavy coat. So you're able to adjust the tint.

42:32Now, are you looking at people's undertones to their skin to see what will suit them and what won't? because at home, I think it was last year, possibly the year before Bondi Sands, they launched this Techno Color line where they have one that's like a cool undertone. They have one for olive tones, like these different ones. So I just wondered if you knew, like if you'd heard anything or if there's anything helpful that could help to make sure we're not using something that's going to look either too muddy or too orangey for our skin tone. Right. So when you, when you have a sunless product, they have undertones.

43:15Yes. The warm, the cool, green, olive, violet. I love, I love paradise does that too. Yes. Yeah. So they're going off of the, the undertone or the cosmetic bronzer. So you just want to know what works best for you and your skin. Like I'm better with warmer colors and to go from there. So it is important to know like, yeah, what works for you as far as color and undertones, warm, cool. Okay. We were looking at your Instagram and I noticed one of your posts for Khloe Kardashian, the makeup artist, Mary Phillips, like the post. And then us being beauty, little detectives, we were wondering if it's like how you work with a makeup artist for a red carpet look.

44:02Yes. I know a lot of like faciolists and makeup artists work together. So how do you factor in and decide on a look? So I like to just be proactive and go and DM or text if I have their number doing the client. And is there anything specific, you know, that you want me to do? Sometimes the makeup artists don't want them to do their face. Sometimes they want just like a nice glow or their skin really needs color in order to amplify the makeup. So I think it's so important to talk to them and communicate and also to like establish your professionalism. So that they're like, oh, wow, she's really proactive with this.

44:42But yeah, I will. I have talked to Mary before. Like, is there anything you want me to avoid? Because they're also working with skin in a different capacity, like lotions and makeup and lighting. So it's really invaluable to have those relationships. I like that. It takes a village, you know, because there's like the facialist before that, probably before they a week or two before they come to see you. And then they see Mary like the day of. Well, especially for the Oscars, you can only imagine. Oh, my goodness. Does a dress tone ever influence what tan you're going to give them? Totally. Like, do you get sent sneak peek in advance what they're going to wear so you can.

45:22Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes stylists will send me a client. They were like, we changed a dress. She needs a glow. or I'll go to the client and she's like here's my dress this is what I'm wearing which is super cool to see and then we're like oh okay they're wearing I mean a lot of times there's bright pink and I'm like okay let's like maybe and they're like I want to go dark I'm like yeah let's discuss yeah yeah yeah so yeah the dress is there was a celebrity I can't remember who now but yeah there was a time when like I saw on the red carpet and they had had this dress and they had this tan going on and I was like they should have talked to each other because it was like they weren't it was it was like it wasn't talking to each other the tone of the dress and the tone of the skin so oh I think I think that can happen all I think about when I see a white dress on the red carpet is is there self-tanner on the inside of that dress I think it because it could probably happen I'm sure not with your clients because you're a total pro but yeah how do you prevent something like that when you're like dealing with designer goods that are maybe going back.

46:27Do you have a transfer hack? Do you have insurance? Yeah. Right? How much was that? So yes, you want to make sure they're rinsing well with a soap. If they're wearing white, I always say rinse with a soap. Whereas normally everyday people that are just like rinse and soap in necessary areas because we don't want to strip the tan. If we're trying to make sure the dress is, you know, we're preserving the dress, then yes, you want to use soap because you want to get, again, that cosmetic bronzer off of the skin because that's what's transferring onto the dress. We come across this a lot with brides.

47:04They're like, I don't know if I want to do it because of my dress. As long as you do it early and you soap, you're good. Then you're good. Is this potentially a case for the clear waters back to that? clear is good as well yeah clear is really good for brides because then they don't have to worry about any of that transfer but then they don't have that instant cosmetic the guide right the guide because literally you're seeing that immediate color that's the guide and i have i have tried and i'm like i'm like okay brain turn on i have to try and remember like where i just touched and where I didn't.

47:42And right now it is it's a journey. It's it is streaky. Like I don't know how to master those waters on the body that it's not easy. It's also difficult for a professional your first time with somebody because you can't be like when you saw it was like, do you want to be this color lighter or darker or whatever the questions are? And when it's clear, it's like, here you go. Yeah, you get what you get. Yeah, get upset. I do have to commend Alex Earl for being the realest girl on TikTok for showing her filthy white sheets because she self-tans and just gets right into bed. And then she's shown it at like expensive hotels and she's just like, sorry, Alex was here.

48:23That's her stamp. Yeah. I think she does it herself a lot or has a professional come whatever, but it's like it happens and like your linens can get if you're sleeping in it that happens right yeah yeah I always suggest long pajamas yeah just protect your hands your feet I mean like anything your sheets maybe crossing legs yeah yeah I know I gotta look there guys no but I'm so guilty of that I'm perpetual perpetual I know hard not to contouring with self-tanner because you've done this before for like campaigns and stuff Maybe you could talk to us about that. And is this something that could ever be used in real life?

49:06Do you have any tips on the best way to kind of do the look yourself? Yes. So again, going back to the Kabuki brush, like it's totally doable to do a contour and to highlight some, you know, definition. I love a cheekbone contour. I love to get this right here. jawline using that brush. But I would say if you're going to do an at-home application, you want to do the whole application and then on top do the contouring. Yeah. I mean, you could, but you need to go faint because the tone needs to match. Yeah, totally. I've thought about doing it before. I'm trying to remember if I ever have, just like in the hollows of my cheeks.

49:55Yeah. A little semi-permanent makeup. Yeah. Right. I feel like you could do that. Maybe with the, I do like the Charlotte Tilbury face serum. I need to try that. It's really, it's the hyaluronic acid one. It's very plumping and it's not that hard to use. Yeah. If you have an oops moment, like what happens if you do a self tan and maybe you're not thrilled with the results? What are the fixes? Like do you redo it? Do you try to scrub it all off? Like if you messed up your legs, should you start all over again? Like what are the fixes? So that's why I always say less is more. Start small and build.

50:31But let's say you've built and you're now regretting that decision. An Epsom salt bath is really good for an overall just kind of tone it down. Saunas, a jacuzzi, something like that to get that tan to come off. Exfoliating mitt. if you have like little things here and there. What about preventing that fade? Or like how often are you re-upping if you're doing the full body tan at home? Like how do you make it last longer? Yeah. Moisturize, hydration, drinking water. Every time you get out of the shower, moisturize your skin, moisturize your skin. That will help your tan fade nice and seamless.

51:13And then I love a gradual self-tanner. I mean, I always kind of recommend the Juergens one. It's so great. It's so great. Yeah. And then you can, wherever your skin creases, like inside your elbows, in between your boobs, the skin is very, your neck, the skin is very thin. So then you're sweating. And so that tan is going to rub off faster in those areas. So we need to make sure we kind of apply something there to keep the overall body even. So I love a gradual that you can dip in a kabuki brush and get those areas. The gradual also for the legs to keep them. You know who else came out with a gradual last year?

51:53James Reed relaunched. Yeah, they did a total brand relaunch. So it's called Self Glow by James Reed. And he has now, that's the gradual tan moisturizer for face. There's one for face and one for body. But it's very like skincare-esque, you know what I mean? now don't get me wrong I still manage to make my legs streaky but that's probably probably because I never ever exfoliate my legs or moisturize them so you know sometimes you have to accept responsibility it may not be the product itself you know homework yeah the homework do the homework guys do the work that's like how what's realistic to expect your at home tan to last for like a week or?

52:38I would say five days. At home, it's going to come off faster than the professional application, but, and it depends on your skin. I would say five to seven days. Right. Seven if you're lucky. Okay. Okay, good. And is there a sunscreen that's better, like, is it better to use mineral or chemical over top of a self tan or does it matter? I like natural or very mild ingredients. Children's sunscreens, a moisturizing sunscreen. I don't like aerosol. It has too much alcohol that can break up the tan. That's a great, that's a great tip. Well, I've learned a lot. Thank you so much, Jenny. Thank you so much.

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