Bonus! Why Lucy Hale is Swapping Her “21-Step” Routine for J-Beauty Minimalism and More Derm-Approved Skincare Tips with Dr. Jenny Liu

14:06Lucy Hale:Right. And it really is. And I think just finding a way to be more gentle with myself and using more gentle products. Like it really is a lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah.

14:18Dr. Jenny Liu:What about like adjacent to that, like sleep or social connection, like other things that make you 1 % better every day or like that maybe you have a specific example that you've worked on?

14:28Lucy Hale:Yeah. No, I genuinely think you glow more when you're around people that you love. Like truly, like there's just something internal that happens. your aura if you will i mean definitely sleep definitely how you're treating your body water all the things but i think there is something that happens when you are like living your truth and living your joy chasing joy being creative yeah you can't put a price on that

14:53Dr. Jenny Liu:yeah we recently learned that social connectedness is actually the biggest predictor of longevity and like all the other things, eating while exercising, there's like six or seven pillars, but social connectedness makes us live longer. And actually it made all kinds of sense to me. Have you guys seen a documentary called Happy? No. Please watch it.

15:17Lucy Hale:It probably came out 20 years ago and it's a documentary. I think it's on Netflix somewhere. You can watch it. But it's a documentary about they travel to different places in the world and they interview the people around the world of what makes them feel the most fulfilled. And like the definition of happiness everywhere is so different. Like in America, it's money, it's success. In Japan, it's like hustle, right? It's like people work so hard in Japan. And then there's this, I think it's a tiny island off of Japan where these people live to be like 115. Okay. And I think they said their secret is sake and sleep, but also community.

15:56Lucy Hale:Yeah. Community. Like they, when they have kids, it's raised in the community and they're always there for each other. So there really is something to like, we're meant to have that as humans. Absolutely.

16:07Dr. Jenny Liu:Yeah, absolutely. So I love the idea of the ritual, but I also have my personal tagline, which is I'm lazy slash busy. You know, just realistically, it's hard. We, you know, we've got the podcast, I've got another business, I've got two kids. So I think that idea of being present is so important, but really tough to do. You guys living in New York, I'm sure you're always thinking about the next thing. So can you tell us what could we do like in the next two weeks? Because we're going to be talking about what you can achieve in two weeks. What could we do that we actually would notice a difference in two weeks?

16:45Lucy Hale:I think one thing that's underrated is moisturizing your skin. Yeah. Again, going back to that skin barrier story, when your skin barrier is healthy, your skin is just going to look better. And it's going to do its job way better, helping with maybe uneven tone and texture. It's going to be better hydrated. Kind of going back to the core of J-Beauty, what I think of is kind of that foundation routine that you can stick to that can make a big difference. And just the quality of your skin without having to do a lot. And that's easy to stick with, too, with a busy lifestyle.

17:18Dr. Jenny Liu:Yeah. We get asked this all the time lately, why skin is now referred to as skin barrier instead of just skin. And I think from a practical point of view, it's just easier to understand that when your skin barrier is kind of broken, I always think about it, the bricks in a wall. It can lead to so much more damage, whether it's like rosacea. I had perimenopausal rosacea come up. There's so many things that are linked to skin barrier. And as you say, just like just moisturize every day. If you can just do that.

17:49Lucy Hale:I mean, I like to say like your skin is kind of like leather, you know, like in the sense where you have to take care of your leather. You have to, you know, maybe lotion that. Otherwise, if it cracks, it's not going to look good. It's not going to function well. Our skin is the same thing. You know, obviously it's meant to hold us together, but it has more to that. There's actually it has its own dedicated immune system in our skin and there's temperature regulation. So aside from, you know, the function of it to the aesthetics of it, it's meant to kind of keep bad things out and keep good things in like the water.

18:20Lucy Hale:And so even minor cracks, like not like a cut in your skin, but minor cracks, like you said, in that brick and mortar, things can get in. This is where you can get sensitivity, can get dryness and kind of, you know, like the irritation. And so taking care of our skin at that basic level is so important.

18:36Dr. Jenny Liu:And Lucy, how would you say that your own skin and skincare ritual as a result has changed from your early 20s? So basically when you started Pretty Little Liars now?

18:45Lucy Hale:I mean, I think beauty was just so different then. I think it was really a more is more approach. Like that was when all the, you know, 15 step skincare routines were coming into play. And definitely with makeup, it was just like the 2016 era. strip lashes. I was like, I loved an eyeliner, like that just super bronzy, bronzy look. I think, and maybe this just happens with age as well. I booked, I started that show when I was 19, 20. And I think when you're that age, sometimes you're trying to mask in a way. Yeah, absolutely. But now I'm more comfortable in my own skin. And there's so much research now that like simple is better.

19:25Lucy Hale:Being consistent is better, especially for my skin type. Like I will break out if you look at me the wrong way you know like I have to use things that it's like me yeah yeah and and even at 36 I'm like does it stop no it keeps happening here to tell you in the future that it doesn't

19:41Dr. Jenny Liu:that's all right but you know we do what we can we do I feel like you're gonna be okay

19:45Lucy Hale:yeah we all will um yeah so I think it's just more simple all around yeah yeah yeah and I think

19:53Dr. Jenny Liu:you know what I I've done some work on camera and just like making peace with your face on camera or like peace with your pores. Like I think that that can be very, not triggering, that's not the right word, but it's a learning curve. I'm so glad you brought this up

20:09Lucy Hale:because I think it's so important to remember that skin has texture. I think it's like, I get so used to seeing things online where I'm like, oh, maybe I'm not supposed to. But it's like skin, even and healthy skin has texture, has pores. And I think really making peace with that, especially when you're in front of a camera and yeah I haven't quite gotten there but you know you work on it it's a process one percent better every day Lucy there we go way to bring it back

20:42Dr. Jenny Liu:I want to ask you I'm almost embarrassed to ask you this because you are so young and I'm 50 by the way proud of 50 wow but I want to ask you about aging in Hollywood you're still a baby but you have been vocal about aging and expectations and that so maybe you could just share some of your thoughts yeah I mean I think you know it's I can only I've been in

21:07Lucy Hale:entertainment since I was 15 so I don't know it differently I'm sure it's this way in just out in the world in general with women I think there's just a pressure to keep up with the trends keep up with a on TikTok oh I need to buy this thing I need this machine I need and I think there is a pressure in Hollywood definitely like aging is sometime and I think it's come a long way but I think maybe aging is viewed as you have an expiration date but there's so many women who are having huge comebacks in their career like Demi Moore and all these amazing women and like you know look at Meryl Streep and Glenn Close like these beautiful women who have aged so gracefully like it's a gift to age it is a gift to grow old like and I'm not saying I've made peace with that but like I think kind of having that mentality will bleed into everything and I you know I I care about how my skin looks but I also know that I want to age as gracefully as possible but yeah there there is a pressure but I think I don't know it definitely is there I'm like being very careful about what I'm saying, but like it definitely is there.

22:19Lucy Hale:But I also think like everyone has their own idea of what beautiful is for them. And like, I never judge what anyone is doing because if that inherently makes you feel more beautiful and you can show up in the world and feel better, like more power to you. It's not up to anyone. Like I hate when I'm online and I see people judge a public person who they know nothing about, about the way they look or because of something they've done. It's like, you don't know the story behind that. There's so much more going on. And I think I've learned that people just kind of project anyway. So, yeah.

22:52Dr. Jenny Liu:I think you make a good point though that there's actually role models that, like the fact that Meryl Streep is in the biggest movie that's coming out versus like 25, 30 years ago, you didn't have as many incredible roles for women who were not 20. So now at least there is a path. Right. You know, and I love the Reese Witherspoon model where she just like scoops up her projects. Oh, yes. Nicole Kidman. And just casts talent. Definitely. And women in charge helps that happen, right? Well, and I think also, and then I'm sorry, I'll let you move on.

23:25Lucy Hale:No, no, no. I think it's evolved so much because even a decade ago, two decades ago, women were still just like, okay, just be beautiful. But now women are doing so much more. Like, we care about what we have to say that it doesn't even have to do with the way that we look. Like we are full of ideas. I think we're being celebrated more for our creativity and ideas and strength more and more each day. One percent. Exactly. Exactly.

23:51Dr. Jenny Liu:And Lucy, what about the wellness trends that are blowing up this year in your A-list or group chat? Because I want to know, what are your peers intrigued by? What are you intrigued by? Because we know in Hollywood, they get to try everything first. Are you a guinea pig?

24:04Lucy Hale:So I will try. I will try anything. You will? I will. You guys probably know more of the trends than me. I feel like everyone is talking about peptides. Yes. And I don't know that much about it, but like I'm intrigued. People are obsessed with like in LA, it's just like peptide and it's called a stack. Injectables, right? Yeah. And people are doing, what are we doing? Like people love lasers. People love, what are the other, what are the cool things? You guys probably know more than me.

24:33Dr. Jenny Liu:Yeah. I mean, the IV spa, I just went to one in Denver because I had altitude sickness, but I was like, yeah, goodness, these exist. Like people can just go in for what you need. I'll take some B12. I'll take some vitamin C. Yeah, right. I feel like that's, that's a real thing now. The other thing that we're seeing in Toronto and you guys probably have this here as well, but I feel like the whole social wellness clubs, like spas where it's more like people go as a group and you do all kinds of activities. It's just like where we are here. Yeah, but there's like places where you can even go at night and there's a DJ and they have like special like non-alcoholic drinks like it's a whole it's more of like a community like health community yeah like a social wellness social wellness very cool right and what about you dr lu what regular wellness activities are you actually doing versus something that might be trendy that you're not as into?

25:31Dr. Jenny Liu:Sleep.

25:32Lucy Hale:I think sleep is so important. As you get, like, in my 40s now, I have two little kids. I'm constantly sleep deprived, especially with work and travel. And I think one night of bad sleep, I might will not only reflect in my body, but in my skin. You know, your skin gets dry and gets more easily irritated. And, you know, if you think about it, Our skin is doing, just like the rest of our body, doing most of the repair at night, right? And so if you're not sleeping well, I think that definitely can take a toll long term on just your skin health. And we know that ages you're faster. So I feel like no skincare routine can replace a good night of sleep or just consistent sleep.

26:13Lucy Hale:You can put all the wonderful products, but if you're not taking care of yourself comprehensively, right? Like diet, exercise, and sleep, then you're not going to get the best results.

26:22Dr. Jenny Liu:I need to ask you about something you said before, that our skin has an immune system. Yeah. So what happens if you don't sleep enough? Does that affect your skin immunity?

26:30Lucy Hale:Absolutely. So there's actually conditions like psoriasis and eczema. We see that it's actually the immune system in our skin acting up. We don't know if the chicken and the egg is a genetic trigger versus the environment, versus the barrier defect that causes. But yeah, we have a huge immune system in our skin. And when we don't sleep well, there is increasing cortisol and that drives inflammatory cells. And that inflammation can increase like, you know, redness, rosacea, flares, acne. And then, you know, your skin is, you know, repairing at night. And so it's going to reduce its ability to repair.

27:06Lucy Hale:So that inflammation can definitely break down your skin barrier. And certainly over time, that can manifest as like on human skin texture and skin tone too.

27:14Dr. Jenny Liu:Lucy, what about Hollywood treatments? We kind of touched on this, but there seems to be a new one popping up every week. And I read that you even auditioned for The Substance. I did. Yeah. Which, of course, explores the dark side of, you know, chasing the fountain of youth. What are your thoughts on these types of more, those interventions, let's say? And no judgment, because I love Botox.

27:35Lucy Hale:I think, but I think it goes back to, like, I will try, you know, whatever to each their own. I really think, like, my version is different from your version. And yeah, I mean, there's so many, there's so many things out there these days. And, you know, for me, I'm more, I think I lean more like holistic these days, like a holistic approach. But I remembered one thing where you were like, what are people talking about? Fascia release and masseter release, like, and scalp fascia. Like it does, it like lifts your face. And so that to me is really fascinating. Like I had a facial with this woman named Leanne a couple of weeks ago.

28:14Lucy Hale:and she does, I mean, she does like microcurrent, all the things, beautiful products, but she did like fascia release all the way down to my chest and like how she released here affected something here. And like she released my scalp and it opened my eyeballs. She opened up my sinuses, my eyeballs like literally got bigger. So there are things you can do at home like that, that really helps. I mean, that makes sense because we do Botox to your platypsis and also to help lift. So, you know, it's kind of tethered down. So if you release that, it helps just overall. It just pops up. I used to do Botox in my jaw because I have TMJ, like no other.

28:50Lucy Hale:But it changed the way my face shape, so I stopped doing it. So when you do the masseter release, it's so painful. But have you ever had it done? I've had it because I get TMJ sometimes too. Yeah, but it really helps with headaches and everything. But basically they go in. Did it still feel like a facial or did it feel like a chiropractic treatment on your face? It felt like an exorcism. That's what I want to know. Yeah, like this is the facial where you might not fully zone out, but you're more involved.

29:19Dr. Jenny Liu:Yes, yes. I mean, I've had lymphatic drainage, and I think that's just like the next iteration of that. And that's amazing as well, right? It's just that holistic thing. And then you're like, it kind of makes a light bulb go off where you're like, oh, yeah, everything is connected. Everything is so connected. Yeah, I can't remember who we interviewed and they were talking about the scalp, the power of the scalp massage. And that is a treatment because they're like, first of all, our skin, that is part of our face. Really, it's our it's just up here. And so they're like, if you think about it and you're pulling back here, it's all lifting.

29:55Dr. Jenny Liu:Like if you want this lifted, you have to start up here. I was like, didn't really think about that. I guess it doesn't end here. It's really right. Right? So it's like you almost need to be focusing more up there. Yeah. Well, yeah, so many people are doing like brow lifts and stuff. And you're like, girl, you got to. Yeah, it's not going to go back there. Ponytail. Ponytail brow lift. Yeah, man. Okay, I think it's time to get into the innovation of the day. So, Dr. Lu, I'm excited to talk to you about the latest and greatest from Shiseido, the new Benefiance products that promise brightening and smoothing in just 14 days.

30:37Dr. Jenny Liu:That's just an incredible claim. So how many of you are fans of Benefiance? Do you know the eye cream already? It's like iconic. So many people love that. What do you say to people who say, maybe I don't need an eye cream?

30:51Lucy Hale:I think, especially as you get older in our 30s and 40s, this is a time to think about it. Because with aging, we get more dry skin. and eye dark circles and puffiness. I mean, that is one of the most common concerns I actually get consultation-wise in my practice. And so you want products that specifically address the eye area because your eye is one of the most delicate on the face. And then with ingredients that help, and it's really nice because this eye cream, it targets five different areas. Not all eye creams are tested and can be used on upper eyelid and also helps with the glabella, which is really nice because we all have those like stubborn wrinkles that won't go away.

31:28Lucy Hale:Between the eyebrows? Between the eyebrows? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's 11. I didn't hear. I didn't know that. Inner eye, inner eye, and then puffiness and dark circles. It's got wonderful ingredients like peptides, squalene, ginseng, caffeine, all working together to help. So I do feel eye cream, especially as we get older, is something that I always recommend to my patients to really help address those just stubborn, like, dryness that, you know, people say, like, my concealer is caking. I can't, you know, so that eye cream really helps with that.

32:00Dr. Jenny Liu:Who knew? You apply your eye cream here to your 11s. You heard it here first. Yeah. Can we do it here?

32:06Lucy Hale:I mean, this eye cream is so... It's thick. It's thick, but it's got a nice lip, and it doesn't, like, cause your makeup to, like, you know, flow down, which is what I love. But it provides just the right amount of hydration and what you need. So, yeah, you do it everywhere. All the fine lines. Putting it on my hands. Yeah, off label, off label.

32:29Dr. Jenny Liu:And Dr. Liu, what were your first thoughts when the Benefiance range, they presented the research to you and said there's results in as few as 14 days. Usually it's like 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, 120 days. So 14 days, I'm going, what? So what was your reaction?

32:43Lucy Hale:I would say healthy skepticism.

32:47Dr. Jenny Liu:Yeah.

32:47Lucy Hale:Because, yes, you are right. 14 days, that is a pretty bold claim, right? But then I look at their studies. They have clinicals, which is something I appreciate as a dermatologist. And it is long term. And, you know, Shiseido has that like 12 weeks out. But what we're seeing that 14 day is really the impact of the skin care, the ritual from Shiseido Benefiance line and helping with skin hydration. And that barrier health is how I think of it. Because our skin turns over anywhere between 28 to maybe a little bit longer than 30 days as we get older. but that 14 days actually the top layer of your skin the stratum corneum turning over so i think at least for me to make sense of it in the science is that you are improving your top layer so that skin barrier right you're hydrating your skin and with that your skin is going to look softer smoother better in texture and then with that better turnover it's going to look more bright and so may help with some of that uneven tone right that's what's really addressing yeah okay And then long-term, the permanent changes comes with more consistent three months.

33:52Lucy Hale:Yeah. I was about to say, I feel like I could hear you talk about anything. With such clarity, I'm like, yes. More and more. The practice of social media, I guess. Very good at it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

34:05Dr. Jenny Liu:So the new products, the Benefiance Dark Spot and Wrinkle Smoothing Serum, and also the new Benefiance Brightening and Wrinkle Smoothing Cream. Nailed it. Yes. Yes. So they both contain, I will have to look at my notes for this, because this is a new ingredient I had not heard of even as a beauty editor of over 20 years. It's called Picao Preto. So what is this extract and how does it benefit the skin?

34:34Lucy Hale:I love talking about ingredients and science. This is like when I get super excited. Oh my gosh. Okay. So Picao Preto extract. So this is really cool. It's basically like you can think of it as like a plant derived retinol. And why I really love kind of the formulation, what we're discovering with plantarripe is that it's so fascinating. This particular extract actually binds to the receptor, a topical retinoid. Like, for example, tretinoin, which we think of as like the holy grail. It actually binds to the retinal receptors in the skin. That's how like tretinoin works. When we think about like the OG, binds to the receptors.

35:09Lucy Hale:And that's how it activates genes and does what it does, helping with collagen, helping with skin turnover. But then the dark side of topical retinoids is that it does also irritate the skin. And we think because there are a couple of different receptors in our skin. And so that causes the irritation and then one causes the benefits. And with the picaal pretal extract, it actually binds the receptor that offers the benefits, but doesn't bind to the one that causes irritation. It's my understanding by reading the literature. So what essentially he's doing is giving you the benefits of a topical retinoid and helping with skin turnover, helping long term with collagen support, but not the irritation.

35:47Lucy Hale:That's good to know because sometimes I only think something's working if I like. Yeah. Feel the burn. Yeah. Feel the burn. But it's not always the best way, is it?

35:55Dr. Jenny Liu:Well, that is the North American way. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

35:59Lucy Hale:Because in Asia, people will complain if they feel stuff like their skincare is causing sensation. Yeah. That's so funny. At least in China, you know, people have comments on retinote. People say, like, this burns or this stinks. Is this supposed to be this way? There's somebody in me and a facial. I'm like, make it more. I want to feel it. Yeah. It's true, though.

36:17Dr. Jenny Liu:I think this is why, like, again, as editors, we're always surveying the market. And there's like a built-in sensitivity check or something where it's like if it's going to sensitize, it just is not in there.

36:29Lucy Hale:Well, going back to the whole concept of, like, tolerability, that's how I think of Japanese skincare. is like well-formulated products that you can use long-term.

36:38Dr. Jenny Liu:I just think it's amazing how far we've come with like a plant-based retinol.

36:41Lucy Hale:I always wonder how they go about knowing which plant can do that.

36:47Dr. Jenny Liu:I actually have followed this like ethanol botanist who does all of these amazing videos about like finding these ingredients and making them work. It's like fascinating. What a cool job. Very, very cool. And Lucy, I need to know, how are you using this new Benefiance Serum and Brightening Moisturizer in your routine?

37:05Lucy Hale:Yeah, I mean, I love when things are simplified for me. Like when I know the product and the line is trusted, I'm getting everything I need. It really, you know, I have more time to do other things, right? So I love that. Like to me, if your skincare is amazing, you don't really need like much more makeup or anything else. So these products really work. and what I like about them sensitive skin it doesn't irritate my skin and it's very lightweight like I I don't know if I feel like things are too heavy on my skin I get a little panicky but yeah beautiful ingredients science backed yeah have you guys tried the serum yet oh it's so nice

37:42Dr. Jenny Liu:it's like this milky texture that they just nailed it's kind of like a gel milk yeah so good so good yeah the packaging the high design is amazing yeah beautiful well you might as well drop your whole skincare routine for us.

37:55Lucy Hale:That's it, babe. That's it. No, no, it really, like, as far as products, it really is that simple. Like, I do, you know, I like a little gua sha. I like a little LED light mask. I try to, you know, visit the dermatologist. I think being consistent with facials, just like my skin can get clogged. So just like getting all the stuff out. Do you sheet mask on the plane or not? I do. You know what else I do? I do all the things. I bring in my led mask sometimes i bring my my heating pad sometimes like i do i do anything you can do i do more comfortable yeah like i um compression socks anyway i'm now i'm going down i respect the travel yeah game i need to get more into it i do find that hydrating your skin with a sheet mask it really does it really does help yeah do you do that doctor though i don't do on the plane as much unless it's like international flight but what i would do is like before an event or like at the nighttime to like a hotel.

38:51Lucy Hale:Okay. Yeah.

38:53Dr. Jenny Liu:I love that. Yeah. Love it. And our last question for you, Dr. Lou, what are some habits that you would never do that would have a big impact on your skin in just two weeks? I would never, I don't think I've ever gone to sleep without washing my face.

39:10Lucy Hale:Yeah. Yeah. I think that's really important in, cause that buildup will not only cause acne, but actually can serve as like an irritant to your skin barrier and if your skin is repairing itself most of us sleep at night then or just when you sleep kind of you have your own internal circadian rhythm you want to really give it the best opportunity to repair itself so I think I

39:32Dr. Jenny Liu:would never not wash my face I used to give myself a pass if I wasn't having if I wasn't wearing makeup like if I was having a no makeup day I was like well why do I really need to wash my face but you probably would yeah what would you say about that well you need sunscreen sunscreen and

39:47Lucy Hale:just throughout the day there's probably part of particulates pollution that we know actually aside from uv that's another trigger for skin aging or inflammation we call it because it affects your skin barrier all that does impact so all that subway dust yeah yeah inflammation inflammation that is like the basically low-grade smoldering inflammation that contributes to accelerated aging. Yeah. Probably more so in the skin aspect because we see a lot of inflammatory diseases. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right.

40:15Dr. Jenny Liu:Well, thank you so much for both sharing your excellent skincare insights. I learned a lot. So did I. Now we're going to do a little quick game of rapid fire. So let's go. All right. I'm a little nervous. You'll be fine. Lucy, what was the most used beauty essential on set in your Pretty Little Liars days. Oh, oh, like fake eyelashes.

40:40Lucy Hale:So many, so many lashes.

40:43Dr. Jenny Liu:Okay, Dr. Lu, best skincare advice you've ever received that lives rent-free in your head?

40:50Lucy Hale:Sunscreen every single day, rain or shine, prevention. Yeah, prevention is going to be much better than trying to fix it because you can never reverse it fully and not do we want to, but yeah, prevention. I agree.

41:02Dr. Jenny Liu:Lucy, Pretty Little Liars, I'm sure it's no surprise to you. It's a lot of people's comfort show. Which is so funny too. When you see the TikTok comments,

41:10Lucy Hale:people are like, I'm on my third rewatch this year. I think it's because there's so many episodes and people like to dive in.

41:16Dr. Jenny Liu:We need a 22 episode season again. What's your comfort show?

41:19Lucy Hale:Right now, Love on the Spectrum. Oh yeah. I'm watching the new season right now. It's so sweet. It's so heart, it reminds you of all the good in the world. I love it. Have you seen it? Love on the Spectrum?

41:30Dr. Jenny Liu:It's really beautiful. Yeah. I need to catch up on the most recent season, but I've seen it and I love it.

41:34Lucy Hale:There's a new guy, Logan, who's like an angel.

41:38Dr. Jenny Liu:It's very good. Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. Fill in the blank. My favorite way to end the day is? Do you want to go first? Oh my gosh.

41:46Lucy Hale:Oh, I know mine. Yeah. No, you go. No, no, no. Favorite to end the day? Getting to bed on time? I don't know. Is that a...

41:58Lucy Hale:I have younger kids, but going to sleep on time. I love it. Mine was a little similar. It was my favorite way to end the day is in bed at like 930 with my dogs. Just like dog time. No, like crawling into bed knowing you're going to get eight to ten hours of sleep. I know you're a mom, so you're like, shut up. But six to eight, six to eight hours of sleep is just the best feeling.

42:23Dr. Jenny Liu:And the dog snuggles or everything. Forget about it. Yeah. Everything. Lucy, the one mantra or affirmation that you swear by to help you feel confident, maybe you're not having such a great day. What do you say to yourself?

42:36Lucy Hale:I always go back to, it's very simple, but I think a lot of times I can go into like fear mindset. So just reminding myself that I'm safe. Like always, it's just as simple as that. Just like noticing things around me, like anything that helps me get really present, reminding myself that my two feet are on the ground and just being like putting my phone away. Just anything that brings me back to the present moment. I think I can run a little anxious. So anything that brings me into the current moment is key for me.

43:04Dr. Jenny Liu:Do you have one of those brick things for your phone? Do you know what I'm talking about? Does it like block it? Do you guys know what I'm talking about? The brick, it basically prevents you from opening social media. You set it on a timer. I would be a good candidate for that. I'm interested in it. I'm interested. chronically online right here yeah right here yeah lucy what's one thing you can share with us about reuniting with ian harding from pretty little liars for this upcoming movie 12 days of

43:30Lucy Hale:christmas your new holiday rom-com yeah this christmas 12 dates dates of christmas yes we so we shot that this last christmas and i talked to the producers and i was like you know what would be really fun is if we cast Ian as the lead opposite me. And it was so great. I hadn't worked with him since the show. I hadn't seen him in over five years, but it definitely, like, there's such an ease with working with him. There always has been. He's truly so kind and so deserving of all of his success. And we had a good time. He's exactly the same. We're like, oh, we're a bit older, but, like, we're playing more age-appropriate characters this time around.

44:11Lucy Hale:Yeah, that's great.

44:12Dr. Jenny Liu:Well, thank you for sharing that little sneak peek. I'm excited to see it. Yeah, it's fun.

44:16Lucy Hale:It's fun. It will come out this Christmas. Yeah.

44:18Dr. Jenny Liu:All right. Well, thank you so much for you, Lucy, and for you, Dr. Lou, for joining us and for all of you as well.

44:27Lucy Hale:Yay. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you for fun.

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