Busting The Biggest Hair Myths with Gisele Bundchen’s Forever Hair Stylist Harry Josh

24:04Oh, my God. And her hair was wrapped in the mid-flight. she just took it off and it was like totally wavy thing but there's lots of interesting things but i'm all for it yeah i'm all for it what's the secret is your hair does it have to become perfectly dry or because i feel like no my daughters tried this and maybe her hair was too wet and it just didn't work too wet if it too wet is better than too dry okay providing you have the patience to let it dry fully yeah because if you do it too wet put it in and you're like an hour before it's ready like i have to go i'm gonna be late nothing happened okay so if you're doing it overnight how dry should your hair be and damp okay damp damp with product with product yeah damp with some kind of setting product okay whatever that work whatever that is no a mousse yeah it could be a mousse it could be like a cream something that's basically going to give it light hold okay well if you if your hair tends to drop a hold then go up with product like do a strong holding mousse but if your hair you're just looking to change the shape yeah then you don't need a lot of product just nice setting lotion would be great okay all right i love that idea for for the summer now let's talk about curling irons something you know a lot about i do how do you get curls to last on your celebrity clients like are you doing a lot of red carpet right now like what's the feel what's the vibe so to get first let's answer the first question well actually it's a combo commercial i am doing less curling iron work and doing more blowouts because everyone's kind of feeling this 90s blowout vibe everyone's kind of done with the waves So that's that question.

25:30How to get those waves to stay is a really good tip for everybody. If you are someone who constantly struggles with their curls dropping by the time it's just about putting on their lipstick and going like, I just finished my hair. It's already falling. You're using the wrong size iron. You need to go way smaller. Even if you're like, no, I don't want tight curls. I want them big. That means your hair has no capacity to hold that tightness. So if you go tighter, so even if you're looking in the mirror being like, this is too tight, know that your hair is going to drop by the time you go into what you want it to be.

26:07So that's a really great tip is to use one size smaller to make sure it lasts throughout the entire day. Another thing is to make sure that your hair is coated with hairspray, every section. Okay. A lot of people do products, but don't think of the mechanics behind it. So I'll see someone be like, great TikTok video I saw. This girl go like this, just hairspray everywhere, brushes it all out, starts doing whatever she's doing. She's curling, not realizing that these midsections never got product. Right. Her whole outer layer got product and it was a hair makeup combo tutorial. So she started with the hair.

26:42She did that. She waved all that. She put it up and started doing her makeup. And I knew from watching that midsection did not hold. And of course, when she was done the look and she tried to do something with it, it didn't matter because she didn't care. but I knew I'm like that whole midsection didn't get any curls because you didn't even spray it. So the top and the bottom got it and the rest was straight underneath. So it's really applying a product is twofold. One, do we have the right product and are you applying it correctly? Yeah. And I think those are two things that can take your crappy waves to incredible all night waves.

27:15Yeah. What about, are people still applying their, their hairspray before they're curling it? or either or are ending. So beginning, ending or middle. Okay. All work. Okay. Here are the reasons why you can think about it the way you want to think about it. Some people feel like they will do best going section by section because they don't want to miss a piece of spray. Yeah. And they don't know how to get the spray even everywhere. So like, they're like, for me, they're like, I'd rather just spray each section and then wrap my iron. So I know that I got the product from root to tip evenly. So that's that person.

27:51the other person is someone who knows their hair is already kind of wavy and like yours like it holds you don't need a lot of product you're it's already wavy underneath you know it's just going to hold quickly and so for them it's a finishing thing yeah for a professional or someone is really good we like to coat the whole head with hairspray all throughout every section brush it all out so it's you're done you put the hairspray down yeah and now i'm based on just curling. And then I also don't have to hear the unlovely sound of a crackle. You know what I mean? Like of the wet hairspray crackling on the iron, even if it's heat protected, that always feels awful to hear like...

28:28So all of them work. There's just different reasons why people might approach it differently. And it's not bad for your hair to put the hairspray in first. No. Your hair has to be dry. Hairspray is not effective on damp hair. It needs to be bone dry for the hairspray to do anything. Right. And what about curling your hair? Is there what are we what are we feeling like? What's the new way to do it? What are you inspired by right now? Sabrina Carpenter. You know, it's very kind of like a dated look, but it's so fresh compared to every other wave that's out there. That's right. Yeah. Because she's closing her ends.

29:03What we've been teaching over for two years is keep your end straight. She's the exact opposite. Right. Right. It's all curled in. It's all loopy. Yeah. So all of a sudden she looks fresh. Yeah. Even though I did that the other day, I couldn't believe how bouncy my hair was. Yeah. When you just make that smidge of a change and you put the you go for it. Definitely. So I think that's the difference with the iron is like we're no longer going for the raw, natural bouncy waves now. So we're actually bringing out the clamp again instead of the wand, clamping the end and rolling it up. Yeah. And holding 80s.

29:34Yeah. Yeah. 80s where you rolled it up and you held it. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And you just kind of held everything up. So it's curled and you just brush it. And then That ties into the curling iron also to the 90s blow dry. You know, we're getting a lot of girls wanting that big bodacious blow dry that's kind of wavy and like has the ends and movement. So I think this is all makes sense for like where are we headed? Right. What's your what's your number one tip for that? Getting that look. Rollers are great. I think people who struggle with doing a professional blow dry Velcro rollers would be a lot easier for you to get that look.

30:07If you've got the patience. Yeah. to, you know, stay at home that night, damp hair like we talked about, put them in, watch TV, have dinner, be on your phone, and then right before you go to bed, take them out. Yeah. So if they could sit for an hour or two, what that does is it creates a natural lift that's very difficult to get on your own with a blow dryer. A professional could do it. Yeah. But it's hard to get those angles of the fullness you're looking for to get the big hair. Yeah. So the rollers are kind of like the effortless way to have that. And as long as you get the patience at nighttime, it's effective.

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32:46There's definitely been in the past decade, like people are embracing more their hair texture, but there's still a huge real world desire for like keratin treatments and Brazilian blowouts. You know, that is big business And I'm still confused about the difference between them. Did one of them get banned? Like, where are we at? So I will piece together the best information that I can based on everything that I've heard, because you really don't know unless you're like actually talking to the brand. So the first thing that came out in the 90s was the Japanese. Yes. The Japanese straightener. Yeah.

33:21That had come to America with a vengeance. Every girl wanted flat iron 90s supermodel hair. And so everyone started doing it and everybody loved it for the first four months. And that was a professional treatment. Yeah. Yeah. All of these are. Yeah. There is no at home. Yeah. If they say that this is doing this, it is not. OK, got it. And if it's doing it, it's doing it on such a minuscule level. Yeah. That it's almost not even needed. Yeah. OK. Yeah. So any kind of at home, like permanent treatment is not working. OK, got it. It's a defraiser at best. Yeah. At best. Yeah. But basically that came into the gates first.

33:56Everyone started doing that. And the problem with that is these are the problems that came out of that. People felt their hair got really greasy. Okay. And it was a one trick pony. If they wanted to wave it, it never held. If they wanted body, not a chance. It was never going to do it. It was permanently one trick pony. Yeah. Always silky, always satin, always flat. Right. And then the regrowth wasn't graceful. Right. Because it was so transformational to the texture. Yeah. That you're you could have like curly hair and then still stick straight ends. So it's like the opposite of a perm. Yeah.

34:28Like literally the opposite. So that kind of that hype got built and then died and went away. Then come the Brazilian keratins, which promised they would do that, but it would wash out. Okay. That it would not grow out. You'd able to wash it out. Okay. So then people started doing that. Then what ended up happening is a multitude of things. People were getting sick. people were saying there was formaldehyde or something in the hair i don't know all the stories but these are the things that i heard here other salon members were getting sick the treatments being in the salon they weren't ventilated enough so basically those and then at the time there was multiple companies coming out yeah with their versions of this stuff because once the technology is out you can do your version yeah you're like okay it's out now yeah yeah figure out how we're going to bring it to the table yeah and i have a great ending to this whole story the holy grail.

35:17Okay. Stand by for it. So then basically what ended up happening with these girls who were doing the Brazilian, they ended up changing the formaldehyde, got rid of that. But then what ended up happening was still the greasy factor. And so many girls wanted control over how much of their texture would change. Because basically it would just take it from one texture to another. Too extreme. Too extreme. Yeah. So that was really what was happening. So Karasilk makes this lovely return here. Karasilk makes a keratin treatment that is absolutely customizable. And I'm going to give everyone the greatest analogy ever.

35:50This might be the sound bite. Okay. I want everyone to imagine three triplets with curly hair to their, let's say to their shoulders. Yeah. Every one of these triplets have identical hair from birth, but they all wear their hair totally different. The first girl loves her curls, would never put heat to it at all. She just doesn't like the halo of frizz that's on it. The second girl is a beachy wave girl. She loves her curls, but they're too tight. She likes to stretch it out and then put a big beachy wave into it. The third sister can't stand any texture and wants it pancake flat at all times.

36:24This one product can be modified to give each one of these girls a customizable look based on how the operator presses the flat iron, how much heat they're using, whether they're going over the section 20 times or one time or only with a round brush to just lightly put the product in. So to curate your experience for your client based on turn the dial down 20%, 40%, 100 % doesn't exist. So this is the holy grail. And you have to be sure that it's the carousel keratin treatment because I've had clients from Instagram say, I went and got a keratin and it did not do what you said. I said, can you ask them if it was carousel?

37:11And they're like, it was not. Yeah. I'm like, do you know who I work for? Yeah. I told you it has to be the carousel. Yeah. Yeah. Because there is no one on the market that allows you that flexibility. Right. I have a question about perms. We were talking about this off the mic. So we know all the Gen Z boys are getting, you know, perms, right? The broccoli top, all that kind of thing. I feel like for women, like, you know how Nicole Kidman's whole Getty images just went viral, like everybody's gawking over images of her from way back in the 90s and the 2000s and the curls. I feel like women are going to start getting perms.

37:47I think I think they would need to. Yeah, I'll tell you why. Because the girls with curly hair don't wear their hair curly. No, I know. The elasticity is totally screwed. Yeah. Like you see a teenage girl with curly hair like that's so cute. Yeah. You see a 40 year old woman with that same curl. It's half curly, half straight. It's been flat ironed. It's been bleached. It's been highlighted. So in order for them to get those curls back, they'd have to do it once where like it just reset everything. And then they could grow it out because it's curly. And I will say living upstate has been so cool to see curls.

38:22I see so much curls. I kind of like we forget. Yeah. And the world that curly hair is a thing. Yeah. Because so many people with curls don't wear them. In your world. In my world. In New York celebrities. You don't even know that curly hair. Julia Garner is the only celebrity who rocks her curls. Yeah. Love it. yeah like you know what i mean like she costs like red carpet doesn't matter she's like i'm a curly girl yeah and it looks so beautiful and fresh i know i think it's like it's to me i would love it i would love it myself i'm like do i need a perm maybe i'd love this yeah like it's super amazing somehow it's big it's powerful it's like owning your inner chakra con yeah i love having all this mound of hair on me yeah so i am super pro problem is now yeah that same woman you color and highlight your hair.

39:07I know. Right. So it's like one or the other. I'm just like, OK, it's one or the other. Am I perming or am I coloring? I know. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, a perm is a perm. It's a permanent situation. I will never say any of these things are like good for your hair. Yeah. Yeah. It's like me saying bleach is great for your hair. It's like you can make it not look fried. You can, you know, put in stuff to make it look silky. Right. Your Olaplex or whatever. Yeah. It won't look fried. But, you know, ultimately, it's still a process. Yeah. It's still some kind of chemical altering hair transformational process.

39:39Now, people are Googling this, so I'm just going to ask for them. Are hair extensions bad for your hair? Interesting question. They're not bad for your hair. How you deal with them in your head is a big portion of success. Okay. So there's a multitude of hair extensions. You can get permanent single bonds. You can get a sewn in weft. You can get just clips that are removable every day. you can get tapes that are sandwiched together to hold the hair. So there's such a myriad of versions of hair extensions, some claiming to be less or better. I can tell you the clip-on is the least damaging because it's only on your hair for a couple hours and then you take it out and then you go back to your real life.

40:20The problem is most people are not really using clip-ons. They want to wake up every day, get out of the shower, get out of the swimming pool and have the hair in their head. So if you are that woman and you just feel like you just don't feel great without them, which I totally can understand. So many people just look way better with some extra hair. So I get that. It's really important for you to make sure you're doing everything to maintain the health of your hair. Right. You're not leaving them in too long. You're not, you're taking them in and out when you're brushing them carefully. You know, whenever you have product in them, you're not, you know, pulling on them too much.

40:53Or like all those are the things that really make or break whether hair extensions are bad for you. Okay. It's that care. Yeah. Yourself. yeah like am i gonna care for this or am i just gonna put a bunch of ten thousand dollars with the hair in my hair and just like knock hair it's like matted it's tangled you don't wash it you put it up you don't brush the tangles out i think about your hair i'm so that's gonna rip out your hair yeah i can't even believe people are so committed to that i mean my hat is off to them because it just seems so it's just such a commitment it is such a commitment but it's such a game changer i know i know what a game changer that is to make someone feel good confidence The confidence is really big when it comes to hair in general.

41:33Yeah. It's a really big confidence thing. Yeah. Do you have any recommendations of like toppers? I know a lot of women who are maybe going through menopause and they have like standing on top. Yeah, toppers are great. And they're just like, I'm doing this. Yeah. It's like game changer. Highly recommend those overextensions. Okay. What are we talking about here, guys? What's a topper? A topper is basically like a full wig where they cut off the sides and the back. Okay. So in a way, it's a half wig or a quarter wig. Yeah. So basically you have your fine hair here. On the sides. Someone cuts in colors.

42:01Yeah. To match your head. Oh. And it just gets snapped in. Oh, interesting. Top and the back. And it sits on the top of your fine hair to give you more density. Oh, okay. Because no matter how much density you put here with extensions, the hair still looks fine up here. At the top, yeah. And the topper eliminates that because he gives you a new hairline. Yeah, yeah. You know, by snapping in this piece that looks realistic and colored and matched. Which just tends to be where we're thinning. Yes. Obviously. I did want to ask you, what's a brand of toppers or these types of hair pieces? Because there's so many hair extensions out there.

42:33There is. You know, hair extensions are like sports cars. Yeah. They all work. You can get$100 one and a$10 ,000 one. Right. Right. So that's going to really, you're going to say, what's a good one? I unfortunately have very good taste. So I'm going to always lean towards the ones that I work with, which are thousands of dollars. Yes. Because the hair is truly matching the client's hair. They've vetted, they've found, like I work with a woman named Mariah Dearman, who is a wig specialist. I worked with her for years and she goes out of her way to do fair trade hair. So hair extensions is big business.

43:12And a lot of non-fair trade hair extensions are happening where young people, poor people in parts of Asia, India are getting pennies for shaving their head and not realizing they're being sold for thousands in America. So she's particularly makes good deals. So she goes to places like, we're going to give you fair wages for your hair. So she's kind of been the first person that I met that's kind of fair trade hair extension person. So when it comes to sourcing, that's what also affects cost of the hair. So if you're a fine haired girl, getting thick Indian hair or thick Asian hair may not be the best topper for you.

43:51Right. You need to find hair similar to yours. That costs more. Right. Because now you're going to like an Eastern European country, someone who might have finer hair and is willing to sell it. You know what I mean? You know, and there are people willing to sell that. You know what I mean? But she's going to go out and source that for you. But that costs money. Yeah. It's not from a factory. Right. So what I'm getting at is, could I recommend anyone? I can't recommend one person, but I know they exist. You know what I mean? And it's really just finding someone in your price point that offers this.

44:21Obviously, the more you pay, the better quality piece you're going to get. And when it comes to stomaching a cost of something like that, where people are like, I can't spend that on that. What I would say to that person is think of the expensive things you've purchased in your life. And iPhone's twelve hundred fifteen hundred dollars. Normally in three years, you're probably going to get rid of it and get another one. So if your hair piece is$3 ,000 and it seems a lot for you to swallow, you will have that for 10 years if you take care of it. And here's a great example of not a topper, but a full wig.

44:55So Irina Sheikh for the Golden Globes and Oscars three years ago, four years ago, I gave her this bob that everyone thought she cut her hair. And we went with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're like, yeah, yeah, she cut her hair. She didn't, it was the wig. But that customized wig, now you have to go back and look at the videos that I posted, you're like, holy Moses, that looks so legit. It's not even funny. That's a really customized three fittings, you know, piece with the perfect hair texture that matches identical. And those pieces will run you 10 ,000. Yeah. Yeah. I love the behind the scenes. You know, like that will run you a lot of money.

45:31But if you saw the impact of what that looked like, you're just like, oh, if I had the money, I would do that because I look so real. Okay. Well, we can't let you go without getting a couple of hacks. and we know that you are so great on set. You and I worked together on a photo shoot for Claire magazine. Probably one of my favorite stories ever to this day. We have to dig up the photos. Yeah, definitely. Like just do a little pan through those pictures. It was so fun. I mean, this was like, I honestly think it was more than 10 years ago. It probably was. I'm just like, I think like 15, 14. Yeah.

46:03Could be, but anyways, it was just so cool to, they gave me carte blanche, like whatever you want to do. I picked five different girls, five different looks. on each of them in big variety, like Asian hair, long hair, curly hair, big, like it was just super, super cool for me to do. And it was with my team, my friends. Hung Van Gogh was doing makeup for me. Max is a good friend. I love Hung. All Canadian, you. Like it just felt super cool to do that here. Yes. In my home turf. I know. And to be recognized like that. Yeah, yeah. You know, like it's just, it's rare that in these days because of so much content and social media that people get profile pieces.

46:38It's true. They don't get them anymore. So I feel so lucky that I was covered in like Vogue and Bazaar and Elle and Flair and like full pieces. And I still remember getting your backstory. I interviewed you for that as well. And hearing your story about not having any money, moving to New York, sweeping floors. And then I think you had models. I can't remember which one coming to your apartment. And you were cutting hair in your kitchen. Yeah. And that's how eventually. Who was the first model? I didn't have a model. My first person that was high profile, I had two in one week. Okay. Hilary Swank.

47:18Yeah. And Mary Louise Parker. Okay. And Hilary, I knew through her Rob Lowe, oddly enough, because Rob Lowe's brother used to be married to Hilary. Right. That's 25 years. That's how long I've known these girls. Yeah. And she gave me a chance. So Hilary was going to an event and she asked me to do her hair. yeah yeah so exciting so she's probably like one of the first people i did for like an event yeah and then the models were coming giselle carolina kova shalom like just hanging out of my house doing hair and all that kind of stuff and that eventually got to the beauty director vogue yeah and that's how it kind of happened when she heard out about it she's like who is this guy and how do i not know him and then your parties were like legendary your supermodel parties yeah and i did that for 13 years wow and it was really 2019 yeah 2019 or 2018 was the last one okay and after the pandemic like they had like pandemic nothing happened 2020 2021 but they did say can you bring it back like the hotels are like we would love to like we need to bring new york back we need to bring the party back we need to where where was it happening was it different places.

48:29The last few were at the the addition hotel in Times Square. Yeah. And they've been all over the whole city. They were in like Hero, the Hudson Hotel, Ian Schrager Hotel, Gramercy Park Hotel, you know, like all over town, big venues, dance places, you know, closing them down. And really, that was just originally that concept was a friend of mine named Amber started it thinking she wanted privacy for us to be able to dance somewhere and not have onlookers. Right. And that's kind of how it started. It got bigger. Then by like the third or fourth year, she like, you know, you want to help put this together?

49:03And then I just basically stole it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because she's like, this has turned into a beast and you can have it. You know, like, so then it turned into like hundreds of people and venues and all this kind of stuff. And really, it was just a way for us. I wanted to level the playing field for the industry. That's why this party was successful. You saw assistants and interns dancing with A-list celebrities. Right. Because they never get access. Yeah. But they're integral parts to my life. Right. You know what I mean? The people like I want everyone to be like, we're all good people.

49:37No one is, you know, going to make anyone's night miserable. Yeah. By them being there. Like, I want to celebrate every one of you. You know what I mean? Who's the best dancer of all the years of your party? Oh, best is different. Yeah. Who had the most fun is Giselle. Yeah. She loves to dance. We love to dance. Yeah. The two of us really love to dance. And we were always kind of the first people on the dance floor. Yeah. You know, it's like that school dance. You're like, I'm a little nervous. Yeah. And she grabbed my hand. She's like, I don't care. Yeah. Let's go. And then within two seconds.

50:06Brilliant. The whole floor is full. Yeah. She can dance. We can dance. You know, like it just made it so fun and so beautiful and light. Well, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you guys. We really had fun catching up with you, getting to know you again. Yes. After all these years, it's super cool. Thanks for listening. You can find details on every product mentioned in today's episode, along with our exclusive promo codes on our blog at breakingbeautypodcast.com. While you're there, be sure to sign up for our newsletter. Every episode will be delivered directly to your inbox so you won't miss a single thing.

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