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23:34I mix the contour in with the bronzer just right here. And I don't bring things down to the neck because I feel like you don't want to darken this area. But when you keep your bronzer a lot higher up here, almost like a C shape, it gives the skin a natural lift. It gives the face a natural lift. And I feel like that's what gives the makeup such a wow factor. And I love taking, you know, the bronze or maybe it's the powder contour shade, depending on your complexion, and bringing it to the outer corner of the eye and then straight into the temple. So it's almost like where the corner of your eye ends, hold that up at an angle, upward and outward, and bring it all the way through the temple into your hairline.

24:15So you're softly kind of blowing that out with a bronzer brush into the hairline. And that's what's going to give you a lift on the top part of like the temples of your face. And then right underneath, you can leave a little space where your concealer would be, you know, leave that a little brighter. And I feel like it kind of gives you that non-surgical facelift, you know, that's unclockable, of course. Yes, of course. Let's talk a little bit about the brush that you use, because I feel like that is everything, because you get a little too much bronzer on there, like use the wrong brush. You can't get that soft focus into the hairline that you're talking about.

24:48Yes. I typically go for brushes that have a little bit of an angle to them. I don't use a really like large bronzer brush as much as I love that. I'm like, there's a time and a place, but usually I'm going to grab something that is probably two to three inches long and it's not going to be super wide. I need it to be a little bit narrow for me, but really soft. I think the brushes that you use matter. The softer, the better, because that's how you're really going to get that seamless blend, that celebrity makeup artist type of look. You know, I think a lot of the times we forget to invest in our tools, you know, and your tools is what will last you a lifetime, you know, if you take care of them and wash them.

25:34So I'm really big on that. I do. I hope I'm saying this right. It's a Japanese brands and it's refer. Okay. It's all over TikTok shop and it is, I mean, it's such a high quality fiber. It's like R E P H R. Exactly. Yeah. I've seen it. Yes. You know what I'm talking about. And it's a black handle with white bristles and those are so soft and the brushes are incredible for the eyes, the face, all of it. So you really just want something that is a little bit more like soft, a little bit dense and not too big. And that's going to be your best friend when you're contouring your face when you're bronzing, you can use it for blush too.

26:10So I kind of go for brushes in that world. And then whenever I'm doing blush, I keep that high as well. So I will apply that kind of like where the center of my eye is and right above, kind of like right above the bronzer. It can go into the concealer a little bit because I feel like if you have a dark under eye and you need to color correct, sometimes your blush works as a color corrector too. So by the time you add your blush, it kind of color corrected if you're using like a peachy pink. Right. You know, I find that like that ends up brightening my client's under eyes in the best way. You want to keep your placement really high.

26:52So it's right underneath the outer corner of the eye, I would say, and then into the bronzer, right in that area where we created that placement with the brush. But if you want a sun-kissed look, you can still keep the placement of that high too. I think a lot of the times we'll accidentally, we'll put our makeup on really fast and then we'll drag it down really quickly. But if you are a little bit more mindful with it, you can actually, you know, take a moment and then just place that a little bit higher, kind of right where your freckles would be if you were to put faux freckles on. So I would place it kind of like in a W shape right here.

27:28Under the eye. And then going over the nose. And then whatever's left over, my favorite trick is to take the brush that I was using and apply it vertically right above the brows. So parallel on the temples with the blush. Like where your arch is? Exactly. Yeah. Okay, vertical. Just a little bit, like whatever's left over because it kind of just brings that harmony of tone all throughout the skin. And then after that, you can take what's left over and apply it right on the jawline, like just above. Just one swipe on both sides. Not too much focus on it. Just kind of throw it on. And then the harmony is just beautiful.

28:08Yeah. This is why I love the Hourglass palettes. Yes, those are beautiful. Because I find like if you just start using those as like eyeshadow and then the blush and the bronzer and the highlight and all that. But then you can, like you say, just take the extra and go back over your eyelids or whatever. And you just get this harmony. It's like so beautiful. And there's really everything you need in that palette. Yeah. Yeah. Which is so nice. I'll use a fine brush on the bronzer and just like drag it over my lashes. Perfect. Like for a fine line. It's like so it's such a good all in one. You can even take the blush, put that on the eyes too, which I love for spring.

28:45Yeah. So beautiful. So great. So basically we can forget the whole like smile in the apple of your cheek for blush. Basically. If you wanted to get this facelift effect, it's the W. It's the W. I did laugh on TikTok the other day. I saw Erica Taylor, who is a makeup artist, I think. She does mostly women tips and tricks for women over 40. And she's like, if you're still smiling, implying the blush on the apples of the cheek, she's like, and you're over 40. She's like, darling, the apple has fallen from the tree. Yeah, girl. You gotta go up higher. I love her already. Oh, my God. Guilty as charged.

29:19Guilty as charged. She's like, girl, people were rolling in the comments because it's so true. I think so many people are still doing that thing they learned at the department store. Absolutely. And it works. It's what I learned at Mac. Yeah. It's like what you learn. But as your face changes or if you do want the lift. The lift is natural. Yes, we do. Yeah. You're not. The apple is gone. It's on the ground. Girl, throw that apple away. The apple has fallen from the tree. She said it best. She said it best. All credit to her. I love it. All credit to her. Now, you mentioned concealer under the eyes.

29:51So let's talk about that because I've definitely seen people like snatching their face with concealer. So give us a guide here on what to do. So whenever I'm doing concealer, I like to put it on the back of my hand first just because I feel like it warms up better. If you go directly on your skin with the doe foot applicator, sometimes I think we're overdoing it. I think we put way too much product there. It gets right under the lashes. You tend to crease more. So to avoid that and to lift the skin, I will use, I've been loving the Morphe concealer brush lately. And it is a very dense kind of circular brush that you can use underneath the eyes.

30:31And I like to go in and bring the concealer up to where the lashes end. So don't bring it any further because it'll leave a natural shadow there. So if you don't want to put eyeshadow, that's a natural shadow for you. And it's going to prevent the creasing if you don't bring it all the way up. to where your, you know, eye to your duct is. Yeah. So from there, I basically, I'll do a little dot here with the brush right underneath the eye and I'll bring it into where the nose contour starts, basically. The bridge of the nose. Exactly, on the side of the nose. And then I'll do another dot angled in an upward direction.

31:07This is kind of a guide to kind of erase maybe any mistakes that you make. If you brought your eyeshadow too low, now's the time to fix it. If you wanted that sculpted eye look and you couldn't quite achieve it, you can still fix it. It's fine. So just take that concealer and angle it in the direction that you want to lift the eye upward and outward with that flat concealer brush that's a bit dense and you can softly start making those strokes. And I think less is more with everything, especially your liquids, because you're like you're painting at this point. You don't want to overdo it and for things to get cakey.

31:42So keeping it, keeping everything high is going to be more flattering. I think in 2016, we would bring it all really low into a triangle. Just ditch that whole thing. Everything you learned, just keep it simple. And then on the forehead, depending on your forehead shape, I have a larger space. So I like to put only one dot of concealer right above the eyebrows. If you have a smaller... Like where your 11s are, you mean? Exactly. Right in the middle. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Where your 11s are, I will put just a little dot of concealer because I have a larger forehead. So I like to do more shading on mine personally.

32:19But if you have a smaller forehead, you can actually do more highlighting with the concealer if you're using a lighter shade to conceal. And I would actually use maybe two shades lighter than your foundation to highlight in these areas that I'm talking about right now, because that's going to create this multidimensional look to really enhance those features and give you that sculpted look that we want that's highlighted in the right areas. And then I love taking a really fine concealer brush, something that's very thin. I would say it's like in the shape of a pencil, but almost like a little bit square and flat and synthetic.

32:56It can be anything. Take this brush and draw with a steady hand one line down the bridge of the nose and let it sit there. Just let it sit there, do other things. And then once it's dry, it dries down, come back to it and you can blend it out with a duo fiber brush. Just go over it. It can be like, you know, you're like buffing it out, basically buffing it out. You're buffing it out to you're buffing it out, but it's in a way that you still see the line. You know, it's like very faint. And that's what I do when I'm working with all my clients. Like that's one thing that JLo always does, how she has that perfect line here, but it's also, is it there?

33:34It's not there. You know what I mean? And that's kind of what we're looking for. We want those lines to be there, but not really. Did you do it today? I did a little bit. Yeah, I did. Yeah. And I did a highlighter over it too. So yeah, I would bring it all the way down to the tip of the nose. Don't go underneath the tip because that's where we want that shadow to be. But this is such a good trick for a non-surgical nose snatch. This is life-changing. I'm going to try this. I've not heard this tip before. And I don't know if you've tried Lisa Eldridge's new pencil concealer. concealer so I have that I want you to try that and let me know I'm gonna try that because I when I first got that pencil I was like I don't know what to use this for it's so pinpoint concealing right but this is like a makeup artist for real but I was like what am I doing in real life but actually somebody gave me a tip which I used which is these downturned lines that I have at each side of my lips it happens to all of us yeah the liner there and I blended it in and it was actually really good.

34:37It's fascinating. Yeah. Because and I love what you said because you can snatch your lips, too. Yeah. It's like sometimes we don't need to follow our natural lip shape. We can slightly alter it. And you have a completely new lip shape that works for you. Right. It's shocking. It literally works for you. I will. So I love the lip flip technique. It's something that I started doing a couple years ago. You use this on Demi more, I feel like. Yes. Yes, I do. And she's so beautiful and perfect person to do it on. She's got amazing lips. Sometimes we just want to accentuate them even more. So I start off with a lip liner that is kind of, you know, think of, you know, Mario has lip liners that are, I would say the shade almond is great.

35:22So that will work for anyone that has like medium skin to like tan skin. So basically you want to grab a nude liner that works for your complexion. And you're going to take that liner and you're going to start in the cupid's bow. I like to roll my lip down a little bit like this. And then that way I can create a little V right above the cupid's bow. Some people don't have a cupid's bow. This is, if you want to try, this is a great time to experiment and play and see if you like it. So you want to create like a little V, roll your lip down just above the cupid's bow. Then you want to create a shadow right underneath your lower lip just one little line and then from there you're gonna show me what you're doing with the pencil it's like this right you're like you are putting the pencil like flat against your chin and doing that yeah so basically i'm drawing it on just right here okay and then i'm doing the cupid's bow and a v right here but if you roll your lip down and do it it's a i feel like you have more stability over it and you can really draw that Cupid's bow.

36:21So you want to go just above. I'm not talking about like fully facial reconstructive lips. Okay. Paging Dr. Chang. Exactly. Seriously. That's another call. But I mean, if you just do a little bit and then you keep the sides of your lips, the corners narrow. Okay. And back in like 2015, 16, I was overdrawing my whole entire lip. So I was really making my lips look wider, and more spread out and it's not flattering. But if you keep the corners really narrow and you shade them, keep it narrow, you're making your lips look pouty and you're shortening the distance from your nostrils to your cupid's bow.

37:00And I feel like that little lift is really flattering. Even it doesn't have to be a big lift. It can be like the most subtle movement that you do with the pencil on the cupid's bow. And you're like, oh, this is this is natural. I like it. And I feel lifted and elevated. And to your point, whenever you do the lower lip right here, it's like instead of following your natural lip line, it's like keep those corners so tight. Right. And if you accidentally follow your lip line, you can take, you know, the pinpointing concealer that you just mentioned would be great. And you can kind of slice off that corner right where your mouth kind of folds so it doesn't droop down.

37:38Right. You know, and even if you don't have that anatomy already. It's like even just doing that and, you know, it's going to make your lips look even poutier. Instantly ageless, that. Yes. Because this little part you're talking about, the Cupid's bow, it gets longer, quote unquote, as you age. Yes, everything is going down. So I remember Makeup by Mario was talking about that too. Yes, he's another one. We both love it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I love Mario. He's incredible. And I feel like we all like love that elevated kind of look, you know, You can't lose. And then to top it off, you can do a lip tone in the center of your lips.

38:14I like to call it your lips, but better. So something that's a rosy neutral shade, because that's really flattering. And then what you would see if you kind of rolled your lip down, what is that color on the inside? It's usually something kind of rosy. So just going with, you're really enhancing what the inside of your lips look like. Oh, interesting. What are you wearing today? I'm wearing the - The combo. What's the combo? The combo is the Mario lip liner in the shade almond. Okay. Love. And then my favorite lipstick that I always reach for is the YSL candy glaze in the shade 15. Oh, interesting.

38:47I'm obsessed with it. It works on most people. You know, it works on most people. And it's a perfect rosy tone that's really hydrating. Yeah. This is so nice. What a genius idea. That's a creamy gel concealer that she just swatched the Lisa Eldridge Pinpoint Concealer, everyone. genius idea genius idea right there never seen it done before and and we always need something like that but how smart to have it in a concealer pinpoint concealing is so tough to get right and i it's like i get it i'm gonna try it around my lip area yeah i love this i want to show you the lipstick that i brought a little show and tell everyone

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43:29I do want to ask you also about lashes because I've been staring at your lashes the entire time. And I know that you're famous for your lashes. Thank you. And gorgeous. Thank you. The definition is incredible. I'm like, if I can get, first off, I love lashes. Okay. Today, I'm not wearing lashes. I'm wearing mascara. But if I can get a mascara to give me a lift, to give my thin little non-existent, I have non-existent lashes. Really? They're very thin. Okay. Like super thin. So I need volume. Meaning sparse or? I would say sparse. They can get long, but they're a bit straight. So I feel like they're always going downward.

44:05They're not doing what I want them to do ever. So if I can get these to lift and to give myself volume, it's a good mascara. Okay. So the House Labs mascara. Love it. Such a good one. That's what I have on. Okay. Amazing. It's a clean formula. The brush is great. It gives you a lot of density and volume, lift and length. Yeah. That's what I look for in a mascara. I feel like that works on. Do you have a technique that you do to get any kind of like little extra flick or lift? So what I like to do is I will start from the base and I'll do, I won't do a really heavy coat at the base. I'll do a light coat at the base.

44:43But it's all about getting to like the mid part of the lash and the tips. That's when I start to do a lot of wiggling. And I'll have, personally on myself and on my clients, I'll have them kind of like look down, I would say, so I can really focus on wiggling the brush upward. And I put all my emphasis on that so I can really build the tips of the lashes and get them longer. And this is what I would do if I wasn't going to go in with individuals on someone. I think when you go in with individuals, you just need a light coat. It's fine. Just an even light coat, you know, brush through with a spoolie, make sure it's not clumpy.

45:18That's the goal before we put on a strip lash or individuals. But if we're talking about a really flawless celebrity lash application that I would do for red carpet or I would do every day, depending on you're picking the kids up from school, you're just a glam girl, you have an evening date. There's so many options when it comes to the false scare studio. So this I'm a big false scare fan. I use these on my clients all the time. It basically gives you unclockable lashes because you never have to worry about like an inner or outer corner band lifting because it's an underlash application. So it's basically like the DIY lash extension kit.

45:57Yeah. Yeah. It's super so easy. So it's like five minutes. These are by Kiss makeup. These are by Kiss. It's the full scare collection. I haven't seen the studio collection though. There's 54 in there. Yes. It's crazy. So there's literally 54 wisps in here. You get a 14 day wear. Sometimes I just want the one day wear because we want to change of our look so often with my clients. So I'll do the one day wear. But this is incredible because can you do the motion of what you do? Yeah, I can. Like on so we can see so people can see. I do want to show these to camera, though. So this is the False Care Studio by Kiss.

46:30Yeah. And it's incredible because you get 54 wisps in here. So as an artist and as someone that wants to customize all of my looks, this is what I'm going to reach for. Because when you open it, you have light fluffy and spiky so you have different wisps links and styles and textures in here it's an underlash application so that's what's going to give you that flawless look where you can't see the band it's also clear it's brilliant it's it's so good so i start off with the infused bond so basically you want to make sure you have no mascara on first or it's not going to work so clean lashes yeah yeah finishing step to every look just don't put mascara on yeah Take the bond and work in section.

47:11So I start at the outer corner and I do about a medium coat just on the outer corner of the lash. Apply like you would mascara. Then you're going to pick up the wisp that you want to start with. I usually like to go in with maybe like the middle row of fluffy. And because this is going to be more of like a medium length wisp. I don't like. These are lash clusters, everyone. So not they're like two kind of like two lashes in one. Exactly. Two lashes in once. they're really easy to manage on your eyes. It's easier than a strip, I think, if you're not used to that. For sure. So then you just want to hold it by the lash applicator.

47:45And then when you're looking at a compact mirror or you have your mirror here, you kind of, I like to just look at it downward because you're going to place it just like this. So you're bringing it right above the waterline of your eyes, placing it right above. That's where it's going to sit comfortably. And the bond is what's going to get it to adhere. And then to seal the deal, basically you would continue that all the way through. And then I like to seal the deal with the water resistant seal. So it's literally water resistant. So if you have oily, if you're really oily in this area, you get an incredible long wear.

48:19So you just put this on like a mascara. It's clear and it removes any stickiness that you might be feeling from the bond too. And then if you want to lock them in for 14 days optional, you can apply the Bond Boost. So this is black. This is the solution. And this would go right above the waterline, not in the waterline. So I usually just look up and go like this. Like the root of the lash. Exactly. The root of the lash is perfect. Oh my gosh. And then it has the remover in here as well. So it has everything that you need to do multiple lash looks. Yeah. I just don't know why anyone would go for a lash strip anymore.

48:55Honestly, the innovation has arrived. Would you put these all the way across though or do you just sometimes do the outer? On Khloe Kardashian, I personally love to go all the way in because we love like a fluttery open eye look that's more baby doll like. So when you're doing that baby doll type of lash style that you would see on Kim or Khloe, they love a lash look. So the longest lash is going to be in the center and then it kind of fans outward. So we go all the way in. But I also love a very open eye that's more even more elongated. So sometimes on a day where maybe it's not something so glamorous, they just want a couple, you know, on the outer corner.

49:34So we'll do the longest piece just going to the shortest piece, maybe just three wisps. Yeah, that's like the air wand lash. Yeah, that's the lash I want. I'm like an outer corner girl. Yeah, I can't do more than that. Me too. Feels better that way. And I think it just like it's so flattering. Yeah, I do have a question for you because I know you've worked with Alex Earl a bunch. Her eyelash technique, fascinating. Oh my God. Love. Did you, did she do that with you? So she takes the curler and she's going to town. She's going to town. I'm impressed. Yeah. Do you endorse that? I do. Or what? I do.

50:07I do. So I think, you know, if you're really good at your own mascara and you really know how to curl and you feel comfortable with that, do it. I think you should. There's like two clients I would say that love to curl and do their own mascara and that's Chloe and Alex Earl and Alex will like she'll let me she would let me do anything but I kind of love the way she does it so I'm like you should you should do it on everybody else I do it yeah because they may not like want to or feel comfortable or just want to chill you know yeah so I'll come in and do all the things but I do endorse that it's like iconic of her it's iconic and she should do it yeah yeah Yeah, of course.

50:45I love that. And I love that you kind of like, because she was so famous for her Get Ready With Me's. And then she started working with artists like yourself. But it's like she's still like rocking. Let's say true. Yeah. You know, you're like you're leaning into it. Yes. We haven't talked about brows and we need to because I do think that's very important for the lifted thing. But you don't want to look like Spock. Your brows are incredible. I feel like you do the most amazing brows on Shay Mitchell as well. Thank you. Tell us everything. Yes. So Shay's a good one because she has a great brow shape.

51:15It's, you know, it's a little bit straighter. The tail is a little bit lifted. So she has like, she's a good, she basically has a good guide to start with, which is nice. But she wants brows that are really feathery looking that stand up. And she's, you know, she's Filipino. The hair is pretty straight on her brows. So we need to kind of lift them, if you will. So the gel matters. Okay, I'm going to get to that. But we basically we basically go in and I draw the tiniest little strokes of hair and I do this on everybody. But it's really important to have those strokes of hair like the first four strokes need to be right here.

51:53And which is like the inner corner you're pointing to. Exactly. So it needs to be the inner corner of the eye right here where the brow hair starts. So I usually go in with like on Shea, I actually go in with a dark brown pencil right there. And then I use a lighter brown the rest of the way. And you would normally think it's the opposite, right? But the reason for that is there's always a lot of flash photography around us. And I find that we naturally, most people don't have a lot of brow hair in the inner part right there. So if you go in with a lighter shade sometimes and you're doing a lot of flash photography on carpets, the paps are getting you, it just kind of looks like you're missing brow hair right there is what we've noticed throughout the years.

52:34So I go in with a darker shade with those first couple strokes of hair. and it keeps the brows in place and pigmented through all that photography. And then I use a brown pencil. I like the Kelly Baker brow pencils. She's an amazing brow technician. I follow her on Instagram. She's so good. She's the one that's in charge of all of our brows. She's responsible for mine, Shae's, all of my clients. So great friend of mine and she has amazing eyebrow products. So I use the shade brown and dark brown a lot in my kit, but it's all about drawing those strokes of hair. And it's important to, you know, keep this arch kind of low.

53:14I think a lot of us have over plucked in the 2000s and we're still struggling with a little over arch. I am. I actually draw mine a bit lower. So I do that on, I do that slightly on people that have a little bit more of an arch. Like we still want an arch, but if you start all the way at the top, sometimes I feel like it makes them higher when really we just kind of want to keep them where they are. Right. You know, so I put a little bit less on the top, I would say less emphasis. So if I, I do put brow product there, but I'll brush it through a lot, you know? So you want to make sure that you're really filling that, that arch area.

53:53And that's what's, I would say, most important to the looks that I do to keep them more balanced and then locking it in with a gel. So you, after you do those feather, like strokes that literally look like hair, brush it through, you want to lock the hair in place. So we love on Shea, we love using got to be gel, got to be glue products. It's like an OG product. So we use it in the hair gel form. I use a little mini hair gel in my kit. I'll put it on the back of my hand and then apply with a spoolie. And we basically just brush, we brush it through basically downward and upward on the brows. and then it saturates every single follicle, every hair, then you can lay them in any direction that you want.

54:34So if you have extremely straight eyebrow hair that just wants to fall down, this is the only thing that will keep them up. Yeah, that product is one I like to call, it's ugly, but it works. It's ugly, but it works. It's not cute, but it works. Another product that they carry is, they have a brow gel version. So I have that one in my kit too, but sometimes she still makes me pull up the hair one. She's like, I know you like that, but we need to go back. I actually just tried the new Maybelline Feather Fluff Fluff Brow Something Something. That is such an incredible product. I'm wearing it today.

55:08It is. It's really good. It's really good. I sketched in with my usual and then I just like finished with it and I like the colors. I think the edit of the colors are really important and I think they did a good job. The other low-key excellent brow product that I don't think I've ever talked about is the Glossier Brow Pencils. Oh, those are amazing. They 100 % work with a makeup artist on those. You know what else I like from them? I'm wondering if this is what you're talking about. The pencils that they have, it's more of a pen though. Yeah. Where you can make those. Oh, the brow flick. The brow flick.

55:40I love their brow flick. That's another incredible product because it's like making little mini eyeliner strokes all over your brows. Yeah. Okay. But if you start with a lighter shade, then it looks a lot more like hair. Yeah. So it's just I appreciate that there is like drugstore options for a good brow look. I love that you said that. Whether it's got to be or maybe lean. Yes. I love that you said that because I think as, you know, as makeup artists, you know, celebrity makeup artists, all of us, we appreciate all of it. I think if it just works, it works. Yeah. Who cares? Absolutely. Yeah. It's really good.

56:10We have to talk about powders because that's probably your finishing step, right? Yes. And so many powders in the last few years have the word snatch in them. You're right. They do. Yeah. So are they doing all the heavy lifting? Like, what do you like to do and how do you like to use them? Yeah. So, okay. So with powder, interesting thing because we need it. Okay. But if you don't want to overdo it. So if you take your, you know, if you take your powder and you apply it all over your face to set, I do feel like, yes, you got a very snatched look. You can use it to sculpt the jawline. You can use it to enhance the cheekbone with a powder puff or a brush that's really dense.

56:49I love it for that. But sometimes I think we make the mistake of putting too much powder on and then we lose some of the glow and the dimension. So I like to really bring out the cheekbones with it, but only in this area, but only right underneath the contour. I don't like to bring it all the way down and powder this whole area. I like to leave some glow here because that's the dimension that you're going to miss after you do all of that. And then I'll powder the T-zone. yeah okay that's what i think snatches the face because you want to make sure that you powder the nasal labial fold because when it's too glowy in this area that's what can age us in photos and out in daylight it's just not flattering so you do want to mattify this area but there's a way to still keep the glow that you just did all this amazing work right so you want to make sure that you lightly powder here or none at all right now it just depends if you're super oily go in But if you're not and you're more, you know, you have more normal skin that I would definitely skip out on a lot of the powders, snatch underneath the cheekbones and then do the T-zone.

57:53What gel are you using for that? I love a powder puff a lot of the time, but I do have some clients that don't love a powder puff because they, again, to my point, think that it takes away too much of the dimension and the glow. So in that case, I like to go in with another one of those brushes that I love that's really small. Yeah. And I can pinpoint the placement of where I really want that powder. It's probably just under the eyes, the nasal labial fold, the T-zone, bridge of the nose, a little bit on the chin here. And we keep the rest fresh. Did you mention your favorite powder? So my favorite powder was the, so sad, the Givenchy loose powder original.

58:34Oh my God, the one they reformulated. The one they reformulated. That was my favorite. it. But, you know, they brought it back talc-free and I do have, there are a lot of talc-free powders that I love. And I think that I get why they did that. Okay. I get why they did that. Right now I'm loving the Kosas powder. Actually, I'm loving it. I think the shade range is beautiful. I just did a YouTube with it. I can't wait for that to come out because I really get to show and teach on that. But I think it's such a beautiful powder. I feel like it snatched my face and the areas that I needed it to snatch and just kind of lock in, if you will.

59:09But it feels breathable and weightless and the tones are beautiful too. So I think that that's a really good one to try. I love Mario's. His is also amazing as well. And another, I do love Huda Beauty. So that's another one that gives you a really snatched, original Givenchy kind of style because there is talc in it. You know, I think the talc is definitely what locks in and really mattifies and blurs the pores. But I'm very impressed with the talc-free powders that are hitting the market right now. Well, I think you've walked us through the whole natural effect. Oh, good. Absolutely. I love it.

59:48I need to ask you, what's the one thing you think kind of makes your makeup look really dated in 2025? I would say an overly heavy eyelash. I think there's, you know, every once in a while we may see a really heavy, I think every once in a while we might see a really heavy eyelash out in the wild. And I wish we didn't. Sometimes I'm like, I just want to hand you these. You know what I mean? Like it's just five minutes. Absolutely. We've got a backstop, honey. I'm happy to support. Honestly, I'm always giving stuff away. I'm like, if you know me, I'm like, take it, please. I want to share the wealth.

1:00:27but yeah, I think it's an overly heavy lash because if you just knew you could still do an outer corner lash that has more volume, but if you knew what worked for your eye shape, I need to make some videos on this because we need to figure out, I think people just want to know what works for their face shape, you know? So if we knew that we would be feeling, we would take over the world. Okay. All of us. So it's, it's that. So it's a heavy lash and then it's also a carved eyebrow. Yeah. I see that sometimes and I'm like, I don't know if we need it. Right. I don't know that we need that, but there's time and place.

1:01:01Maybe it's an editorial and there's a moment for it and it's a skinny brow. Right. It's like a really 90s skinny brow and you need to carve it out. That's necessary. But it's kind of, you know, it's it's lost its thing. You know, it was it was it was it had its moment. Yeah. You know, but now we don't put that that much emphasis on the brows like we used to. We want them to look soft and blended, but we don't need to block them out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I've been dying to ask you what you're wearing on your lids right now. I will come back and tell you. I will come back and tell you. So I'm super excited for the future and I'll share more with you guys soon.

1:01:35But I do not reach for a really dense shimmer anymore. I think I just love toppers. Yeah, I think it's you know, it's a one swipe eyeshadow, but it looks super elevated. You can literally put it on with your fingertips and put it over your bare eyelid and it looks gorgeous or you can put it on top of your matte eyeshadows. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your time with us today. We cannot wait to hear what's coming up, what's bubbling up. We got so many tips and tricks. And yeah, just thank you so much. This was so much fun. I will come back and talk about makeup anytime with you guys. Everybody check out our YouTube channel because we're publishing this on YouTube and you can see everything in action that Ash was demoing.

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