Meghan Markle’s Makeup Artist Daniel Martin Shares 9 + Ideas to Inspire Your Spring Makeup (His Latest Go-to Foundation, How-to Make Ghost Lashes Work for You and His Runway-to-Real Life Take on the Viral Glass Skin Trend!)

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27:00Okay. So we've talked about, you know, skin tints are happening. We know that. What do you do about concealer when you want to, like, we know that's happening for spring. So what do you do to make sure that the concealer is seamless? If you're skipping foundation or you're using something that's extremely sheer, tell us your like methods. Yeah. So much of it is application. So start lighter and build up. And those applications of like, I don't know what if it was like TikTok or whatever. It was like a little bit here, a little bit here or a lot here that came all the way down here and the triangle.

27:39The whole triangle. Yeah. You spend more time blending that out and diffusing it than truly covering up what it is you're trying to cover up. Right. Yeah, that's one of the things I definitely have noticed when we've interviewed so many makeup artists now and they're always, it's like really the focus is to make it look seamless. So what I've noticed a lot of and I've tried to start getting in the habit of doing is like applying it always to my hand first and then before it touches my face versus again, TikTok method, which is like, yeah, dump. And it's like that actually, from what I'm understanding, is like makeup artists almost never do that.

28:22It's always hand first. It's always blending first. It can feel like you're wasting makeup, but it's like that if you want it seamless. And you're warming it up on your hand. Right. So that breaks down the pigments and the emulsions and makes the application just easier. Like I tend to buff out concealer rather than swipe it. because if you're using a thicker concealer, that pigment's going to drag. Yeah. And if the skin is, if you don't have enough emulsion or enough hydration underneath, it just kind of sits and then it starts to crackle. So you then use, you know. More. More or. Fill in the cracks.

29:05Yeah. Or like I never apply my makeup with a sponge. I always apply it with a brush and then I use a damp sponge to blend it out. What's your favorite foundation brush? No Makeup Makeup. Victoria Jackson has this incredible foundation brush that I love for foundation. Oh, interesting. It's the density of the hair and the ferrule of the brush is so compact that I just need a little bit of foundation and it just blends seamlessly. I love that, the actual foundation though. Oh, you did it? Did you? Did I do something wrong? I actually really like it. You do? Yeah. It's a powder? No. No, it's a cream.

29:49But it's in a compact? It's in a compact. Yeah, it's in a compact. So what I tend to do is I actually like using it as a finisher. Okay. But it's an easy, no-brainer kind of application. A lot of it, too, is your skincare underneath it. Maybe I was on the dry side because I applied it and I was like, I'm not getting the no-makeup makeup. Yeah, because then it was kind of sitting. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I used it on a friend of mine. He's a guy. And it's great for guys because it gives you enough coverage, but it doesn't feel like anything. So it's that one product. Like if you're going to the grocery store, if you're going out and you just want to balance out your skin, this is perfect.

30:33Okay. Victoria Jackson, we're coming back to you. She's like famous for something. No makeup, makeup. No, but she's famous for like a skincare. Is she not? She's like a QVC queen from back in the day. Yeah. It was like her and Bobby back in the 80s. Yes. She was the first makeup artist that was direct to consumer for those infomercials. Yeah. Yeah. And she claims that she coined No Makeup Makeup. I mean, she trademarked that back then. And then she let it go, the trademark? Well, no. She sat on the trademark. She went into medical because of her daughter. Okay. And then she just came back into makeup.

31:11Yeah. Her story is so incredible. She's so inspiring. I met her through Megan and she's just so, such an incredible woman. Okay. All right. Well, we're going to link to that on our website, everyone. You can try it for yourself. What else is popping for spring? I haven't been paying attention to eyes for a long time because like who's, who can be bothered with palettes? And Huda Kattan was talking on TikTok. She was doing predictions for 2025 and she said she was really feeling mono matte on eyes. And it reminded me of the look you did for Ali Wong at the Golden Globes. And I wondered what if you agree with that or what you think is fresh for eyes right now.

31:52I mean, for Ali, because she's also wearing her glasses, it's how do you make her eye come through even though she has her glasses on? Absolutely. That's me when I'm not wearing contacts. So for me with her, I just created a monochromatic kind of ombre effect to her eye. Because a lot of times when you're working with Asian eyes, you have to really understand their eye structure to create that dimension properly. Yeah. So for me, creating that gradation darker at the lash line and bringing that up, I just used it with more monochromatic shades than I did with shimmer. I mean, are you using palettes these days?

32:36Are you using monos? Like, what are you feeling? What do you like? That eyeshadow palette was actually, I think it was Mario, makeup by Mario. Oh, yeah. Because I love his mattes. Me too. Obsessed. Yeah. And then he came out with a newer palette. It's a cool new one. Okay. I think it might have been the cool matte tone, like the cool tone. Yeah. But yeah, I love his eyeshadows. Yeah. That was probably the last palette that I used, actually. And I feel like you just need a good matte palette because like you can get so many shimmers in a cream form or, you know, using a blush that has a bit of radiance to it to give you that dimension.

33:15But like. Yeah, sticking some highlighter on top. Exactly. I do want to ask you because I really dig monochromatic looks. I think it's a very easy look to pull together and you get harmony. Could we get specific about some of your favorite combos? if you're doing I don't know if you have that off the top of your head but like let's say you're doing like a like a tawny like a peach like a warm version or like kind of brownie version like what what combo do you like on eyes and then cheeks or cheeks and lips like do you have any where you're like oh these together are like oh I love that you know what I mean yeah there's katie jane has a maybe it's this color i'll use is it so these are the katie jane hughes blur sticks yeah what they're called yeah yeah actually i have one that's just been it's destroyed so i got a newer one yeah but i love using this as a base and then using one of mario's shadows on top of it okay on the eyes on the eyes and even on the cheek what shade is that this one is it's berry but it's kind of like a brown soft raisin.

34:27Soft raisin. Okay. Yes. It's called the soft smudge lip and cheek, by the way. Depending on the skin tone, it can look like a warm brown. Yeah, pretty sure. So it does on me. Yeah. So I love using this as a base and then throwing a shadow on top of it because the warmth from this color is an undertone. Oh, interesting. So if I'm using like a cooler brown on top or a cooler, like eggplant on top of this, it takes the takes the depth off a bit yeah okay so I can take this color and go like all up in the contour of the eye because it gives me that depth but without that hard payoff right right and then I can just concentrate something deeper in the lash line yeah so I love using cream colors first oh interesting because I can really kind of shape it out and cheer it out and then throw on the mat on top of it.

35:27Okay. I'm going to try that. And then would you use this shade on the cheek as well? Yeah. To get that on a chromatic harmony? Okay. Amazing. And that's the thing. It's like, I have like a palette or a stash of cream colors that I use as bases. Right. And then the shadows on top of it locks down the color, but it also adds the depth or, you know, just a bit more pigment. Okay. Okay. I love that. Okay. I love that. That was a good brownie one. I need another one. Tala 28 has great. Their bronzers are really good. There's a lot of payoff. Yeah. And the tonalities are really nice too because they're pretty opaque.

36:08Yeah. Okay. So that's another good base. All right. I love that. What has come across your desk? Because you get more makeup than us. Well, for sure. I would hope so. As ever, as you should. What has impressed you? For spring. Oh, God. We were just talking about how many spring launches there are. That's true. On the way here. It's more than we can cover for our best of spring episode. Oh. Help us with our best of spring episode here. What are a couple new launches that you're like, this is legit? I'm just wondering what makes the grade for Daniel Martin's kit, you know? A lot of it is payoff and ease.

36:41Okay. Like, I love NYX Cosmetics. I love a drugstore. Yes. I think I got sent a L 'Oreal Paris package recently and it was stick highlighters. I saw those. And I love them. The Lumi. The Lumi. They're meant to be a Chanel dupe for the Chanel Universal Balm. But I don't. Do you think that they. I haven't gotten. It's. I think it's different than the Chanel one. I do too. Well, they have two different. They have a glass one. The Lumi. They have one glass finish and one, I don't know what the name of the other finish is. Oh, I didn't get the, maybe I haven't tried the glass finish. And they're meant to, at least one of them is meant to be a dupe of the Chanel Universal Bond.

37:27Oh, I love that one. I know. And I was like, I don't know. It might be in my makeup bag, but Milk has kind of a lookalike one of the Chanel one that to me, I think looks closer. I mean it's it's interesting that all these brands has their version of that I mean Tatcha has the serum stick and we've had that one forever when I was working with Jessica about Honest Beauty we had the Honest Balm so it's interesting that now these products are kind of coming out when they've historically been around for a while I'm on Tatcha we need some tinted serum balms this is from Sicily. I'm obsessed with this red.

38:11So this is the Sicily. I don't know if I can read the fine print. Fido Rouge something. It's a lipstick and it's number 43. What do you like about it? Rouge Ardent. Ardent. I love how, yeah, it's just pretty. Sicily does make up very well. Yeah, their color is so beautiful. It's probably$100, but it's beautiful. She's pricey, but she's so worth it. Yeah, we love a NYX, but we love Cicely. This reminds me of the Hourglass blush that I put on. Oh, yeah. Speaking of a monochromatic look. I love this blush so much. I will, yeah, I'll have to link to it. That would be beautiful on you. Yeah, it's nice.

38:51It's nice. Yeah, it's a beautiful matte. It is. And it just glides on so seamlessly. Beautiful. I'm saving these for Elizabeth Moss. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. I just swiped it. No, no, no, not at all. No, no, no. But you use your brushes. It's all. No, it's all good. but like it's such a beautiful payoff and it's just so saturated. Yeah. Lovely. And it looks like true velvet. It would look good with that ghost lashes idea. And a dewy skin. Yeah. Yeah. I could see it on Elizabeth. I really could. What about RMS? Because I know you used RMS on Megan on her wedding day. Do you still think that that product...

39:27Oh, you didn't? No. Okay. I'm going to scratch that. That was what was in the news, everyone. Oh my God. There's so much speculation about that. Oh yeah. Okay. Can you reveal anything that was? Oh, yeah. It's been six years now. Yeah. What was it? I mean, it was basically a lot of Tatcha. And I mean, I was with Dior then. Okay. So a lot of the backstage had just launched. Oh. Right. So her whole face was pretty much Dior backstage. Okay. This is the first time I've ever said this. At last, we have the reveal. My jaw's on the floor. I've written about that. I've perpetuated that myth. Oh, my gosh.

40:00That she wore RMS. Oh, yeah. Like I think it was like RMS on cover up. Like that was the word. No. Sorry sis. Now we know. Oh my God. Do you know what lip? Do you remember what lip color it was? It was the lip glow. It was? And a pencil. Oh. Her lip combo was the lip glow and a what color pencil? Do you remember? Or do you know the name? Oh God. It was a MAC lip liner. Wow. Because I'm a die hard MAC lip liner. Yeah. Devotee. Okay. Have you tried Cool Spice yet? The new lip liner from MAC. Oh, I saw that they have like a whole neutrals. Yeah, I've tried it. And it's very much, much more like the original spice than their current spice liner.

40:46Oh, I need to get this. Me too. Yeah. Jill. Yeah. You've been hiding this. Well, I actually, I watched my TikTok. I still buy a lot of MAC. The 90s Stan, the Paradise Garagers would like the original spice lip liner. The combo I did for that was MAC nude lipstick in Cool Teddy and Cool Spice liner. And it was good. So it's out now? It just came out. So it was that campaign with Julia Fox and Megan and Martha Stewart. Oh, yes, yes, yes. They just did something. Yeah. Oh, okay. Very cool. Ooh, I need to get into that. So those are good for spring if you guys want to check it out. Yeah. I use a lot of MAC.

41:22I love MAC. Yeah. To this day, you do. Yeah. They never fail.

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43:46Do you have a favorite skin tint or do you believe in skin tints? I do believe in skin tints, but I think, again, it's like the idea, like skin tint, you think sheer. Totally. You think light. Yeah. But then you see some of these skin tints and it's just like a foundation. Yes. Yeah, it really varies. Well, this is why I like the It Cosmetics one because there's quite a bit of coverage for CC cream, which... I know, but it's right. That used to be our tint back in the day, our tinted moisturizer. And it has more coverage than that. So that's why I like that one so much. Do you apply it with your hands or fingers or brush?

44:27Yeah, just with my hands. And that's, to me, how you'd want to use a tint. Yeah. Like for me, a tint should actually probably be a part of your skincare ritual. Yeah. Yeah. It's that finishing element. Yeah. And kind of this conversation coming full circle, typology and full disclosure, we did work with them on social. They sent me their tinted serum. I love that brand. And I have been actually wearing it a lot this winter because it gives you the coverage of the redness like gone. and then yeah but it's a serum and then you can have the Beauty of Jocean is that how you say it? I don't know how you say that Beauty of Jocean Jocean yeah Beauty of Jocean the K-Beauty one and they just launched a skin tint and it's so sheer it's like that's truly back to the makeupification of skin care yeah there it is yeah it runs such a range right?

45:21absolutely absolutely interesting Milk Makeup is just launching a grip tint for oily types. Oh. Haven't tried it, but as to your point, when we're talking about the makeupification of skincare, well, what is your skin type? We can't assume that everyone has the same skin type. Right. Right? Which is kind of how it's been up until now, where it's like, oh, well, then everybody wants a glow. Well, some people have oily skin. Right. That glow is going to come naturally. Yeah. Two hours later. it's evolving that way. I need to know before we let you go, what's your favorite go-to lip combo is? What are you using on your clients a lot?

46:04Lip combo. Oh, that's such a great question. We're getting specific today, y 'all. I mean, I've been loving a lip liner and lip balm just because I feel like it's contemporary. It's easy. And lip liners tend to stay longer than lipsticks. Yeah. Very practical. Very, very practical. Yeah. Do you have a favorite lip liner? My favorite lip liner is, it's a MAC lip liner. It's either a cork or stripped down. I feel like those two. I also love the Makeup Forever pencils. So good. I have one in my bag over there. Yeah. Those are great. Victoria Beckham does a really nice lip liner too. I tend to gravitate.

46:48My all-time favorite red lip liner is Cherry by MAC. Yeah. I'll use that on everybody and then swap out the lipsticks. But MAC Cherry is my jam. Lip product. I mean, I created the lip tint for Tatcha. Plum Blossom is a great one. I gave you guys those. I think I'm wearing it right now. I really like it. I'm wearing it with the road lip liner. Yeah, it's beautiful because it just kind of manipulates. I have one more question before we let you go. I think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that you did Meghan Markle's look for the Invictus Games in December? Or am I wrong? I wasn't with her. Okay, it was on your Instagram.

47:27Maybe not the Invictus Games. Or maybe it was something else. But she was like super glowy. And it was all, whatever you used or somebody used, was all over her shoulders and decolletate as well. That was recently. Yeah. Oh, she went to, her friend Tyler Perry was being honored. Okay. It was the Paley Center Honors. Oh, thank you. Do you see that? How the groomer all over? It's just like her clavicle looks like it is worth a million bucks. So what is that? So that was the live tinted Hugelot. Oh, okay. Because I think that looked very fresh. Speaking of fresh ideas for spring, because I think a lot of people will sometimes, you know, it's self-tanner, it's bronzer or nothing.

48:10Yeah. It was literally just that head to toe. Yeah. So what is that product? Is it like a gleam? It's a serum and it's in a bottle, a squeeze bottle. And a lot of times too, when people use a product like that, they just focus on the face. They don't really focus it. But I wanted it to be a part of, I just wanted it to be a part of her face and just how she looked. but my my makeup inspo was actually the pat mcgrath glass oh yeah yeah the bed what she did at couture yeah for margela yeah margela yes i think that was the most that was like a breakthrough like that was what it was supposed to be yes a breakthrough beauty moment runway backstage like old school, like how we all fell in love with fashion and makeup.

49:07Yes. That was such a f***ing moment that I was like, how do I do this? How do I get that same effect? But using what we had, because at the time her product wasn't out yet. Right. Right. I was just about to ask you if you've tried the product. Yeah. And? You can't move your mouth. You can't speak. See, talking about best of spring, this is the real tea. This is so like the box though, right? Like what you would wear back in the day in like that club where it's like you can't move your mouth. That's not a problem. It's the look. You don't need to talk. It's called the skin fetish peel off glass.

49:44Skin fetish glass artistry mask. And it's like she's a genius. Yeah. Ultimate runway secret now accessible to you. It's such a cool. It almost looks AI. Yeah. You know. Or you can runway to real life with the live tinted serum. Which serum? It's called Huglo. Huglo. The shade that I used on her was like a gold. There's three different colors. But yeah, that was runway to reality. Yeah, exactly. Pulling out all my editor tricks from back in the day. Totally. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for sharing all of your tips and tricks. Everybody follow Daniel Martin and everybody watch this episode on our YouTube channel.

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