The new K-beauty glass skin secrets with Amy Chang - plus the top 3 treatments that transformed her skin

19:20Amy Chang:Exactly. You have to do what's truly there for you. So is it safe to say you would not get Botox again anywhere?

19:26Jessie L. Wong:I went through a phase where I was very anti-Botox. I was so traumatized after that experience. Fair enough.

19:35Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Yeah.

19:36Jessie L. Wong:But as I have learned more and, you know, over years of getting more comfortable with it, I do very little Botox now. I mean, the last time I had Botox was when I was eight months ago. I maybe do it like once a year, small number of units, just in my forehead.

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22:20Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Amy, you wrote a piece recently for the LA Times called cheap injectables, high stakes, how Korea became the world's aesthetic playground. And it really explored this whole trend of medical tourism where people are going to Korea to get work done. And, you know, because it's touted as being more affordable and high tech and innovative, which a lot of times it is. But do you think where are we at with that in 2026 and going forward? Do you think it's still growing? Is it kind of petering out? It's growing. What was your feedback also from that story? I'm very curious. Yeah.

22:54Jessie L. Wong:So it was interesting to report on just the origin story of the Korean beauty market and how it became the behemoth that it is today and how it really stems back from post-Korean war and how this was a society that was, you know, just impoverished. and how they culturally, it became very deeply embedded in the culture that you really have to put your best foot forward because it's so competitive because getting the opportunity or not means food on the table or not, or it did at that point, right? And so that's really where it stemmed from, like that competitiveness, always putting your best foot forward.

23:40Jessie L. Wong:And then I talk a bit about after the financial crisis in Asia in the 90s and how the Korean government stepped in and was like, okay, we really need to find some exports. And so one of the things that they decided to export is Korean culture. So K-pop, Korean movies, K-dramas. And so the government subsidies a lot of Korean clinics. And if you go there as a foreign medical tourist, you can get 10 % off, you get the VAT tax back. if you go and have a cosmetic treatment done, whether it's dermatological or at a plastic surgery clinic. Although that was set to expire at the end of this month, this year.

24:23Jessie L. Wong:And they recently just passed something to extend it until December of 2026 for any of you out there who are interested in doing that. Let's go, Amy.

24:31Amy Chang:Let's go. I'm ready and I'm down. I'm ready for my first

24:34Jessie L. Wong:Yeah, but I mean, and it even bleeds into Korean brands. Like, you know, the Korean government gives huge corporate tax breaks to beauty brands that sell internationally and they help to subsidize like, you know, you've been seeing these Korean brand pop-ups in New York and LA, like the government is helping to support that. Oh, interesting.

24:56Amy Chang:Well, that's a fascinating, that's fascinating insight that I have not heard before about just the context, behind where it's all come from and why these standards are so high.

25:08Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Is there a number one surgery or procedure people are getting in Korea?

25:14Jessie L. Wong:It's still double eyelid surgery. It's very affordable there. But this trend of medical tourism to Korea is just going to continue. The Korean government, their Ministry of Health and Wellness reported this year that in 2024, 1.17 million people traveled to Korea for dermatological, for plastic surgery, or even just general medical concerns. And I mean, that is a 93 % increase from the year prior. Yeah. Wow. So we're seeing a huge influx. And it makes so much sense. Like when I was in Korea this year, I was in Gangnam. And Gangnam just means south of the river. The Han River runs through the middle of Seoul.

26:00Jessie L. Wong:And so this area in Korea has like a very highly dense concentration of aesthetic clinics. And you walk through there and you're like, how can there be these high rise, you know, high rise buildings, corporate office buildings? And it's just like plastic surgery, another plastic surgery, another plastic surgery, another dermatology clinic, another one, another one, just everywhere. That's how I feel when I go to Los Angeles, when I go to Beverly Hills. But this is like a whole different level. Yeah, sounds like it. And I thought I was like, how?

26:30Amy Chang:It's like a mall filled with plastic surgeons.

26:32Jessie L. Wong:And I was like, how are they serving? Are Korean people going that frequently? because in Seoul, there's 9.5 million people for context reference for listeners out there. In New York City, including the outer boroughs, there's 8.5 million people. And so this is a very small area. I mean, and for 9.5 million, they have all those clinics. Yeah.

26:57Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:So they're obviously expecting the tourism to keep growing and growing. Yeah. Incredible. I know you've reported on it, but I can't remember. I'm sorry. What you got done there, if anything?

27:09Jessie L. Wong:Yeah. So the KFDA is very efficient. And that's one thing that keeps me going back to Korea to get treatments and search out products. Because they are on board with pushing through innovation as fast as they can. It's incredibly efficient. And so they have injectables. They have different types of laser or energy device machines. product that we don't have here. And so, you know, the last time I went, actually, I went twice this year, but I went and had Ultracool done, which is like polyloctic acid. It's very similar to Sculptra, but it has a smaller particle size. It doesn't last as long and it doesn't tend to cause nodules like Sculptra can.

27:53Jessie L. Wong:Though if you go to an experienced practitioner, hopefully that is definitely not the case. I've never had nodules with getting Sculptra done, but I had ultra cool done and you can inject it below the eyes you can do it in the temples you can do it lateral cheeks laugh lines so i had it done all those places i also did regeron which we can get regeron here and they can do it topically with microneedling but it's not fda approved for injections and that's what everyone talks about of the salmon sperm yes it's like polynucleotide yes yes yeah injectables it's incredibly painful it's because the molecule size is a little bit larger and like they're doing it superficially where there's a lot of nerve endings.

28:33Jessie L. Wong:And so when they're injecting it with that needle, you're like, oh gosh.

28:36Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Kind of all over. Little needle points all over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Do they numb your face?

28:42Jessie L. Wong:Yes. Okay. Topical numbing. And actually Dr. Kim and I were talking about this. They have a very interesting approach when it comes to pain management in Korea, because here in the U.S., when it comes to dermatological, you know, aesthetic treatments, it's just topical numbing. maybe the benzodiazepines like maybe they give you a valium or like some sort of pain medication but it's not sedation like deep sedation which they do in korea like i was offered at a dermatology clinic to be put under to have my treatments done and i said no i was like i don't feel comfortable with that there's a lot of things that could go wrong and so i espoused to my audience i'm like hey, if you go to Korea and you want to have a lot of treatments done back to back and it's, you know, it's really painful.

29:31Jessie L. Wong:And so then they offer an exchange. Do you want to do deep sedation? Just know, like you need to ask, is there an anesthesiologist that's going to be on site monitoring my vitals the entire time and helping me go into sedation and come out of it? And, you know, that's just, that's just, yeah. Cross the board. I have to do that. Yeah, of course.

29:52Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:That's like when I went to the dentist in L.A. and they offered me laughing gas for a cleaning and I almost fell off the bed. And I was like, pardon? And she's like, no, that's why everyone comes here. Just have a hit. Just have a hit. And like, literally, I was like, no, I'm good. I'm good. Like, it's just a cleaning. I'm not getting a root canal. She's like, no, no, no. Like, honestly, like, you should try. And I was like, I got to work this afternoon. I think I'm good. No. Yeah.

30:15Jessie L. Wong:Like there was a case in 2020 in Korea where a billionaire heiress from Hong Kong passed away. She was having liposuction done and a breast augmentation. And there was no, they put her into deep sedation and she was, there was no anesthesiologist present. Scary.

30:33Amy Chang:Oh, wow.

30:34Jessie L. Wong:And she had a complication and slipped into a coma.

30:37Amy Chang:Oh, wow.

30:37Jessie L. Wong:And so it's like if it can happen to a Hong Kong billionaire heiress. Yeah. You know, so it's so important that if you're going to go over and do anything over there, you still have to you can't just think like, oh, it's Korea and like they're so innovative. No, you still need to like do the due diligence, you know, and make sure that everything, all the T's are crossed, I's are dotted. all that.

31:00Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:We were even having a like a little roundtable with some derms recently. And one of the derms was saying her she was like treating her patients in her clinic, very, very busy. And her group chat was blowing up with all of her medical practitioner friends who were in Korea just trying stuff. And she's like, half of it we could do here, too. But she's like the the the draw and just the reputation for what they're doing there is like it is so high tech and innovative and it's the curiosity got them to go and just see, you know, and I think that's interesting too.

31:30Jessie L. Wong:And even if they're using the same products, there are different techniques with how they're using them too. Like we have the PDO smooth threads here, but in Korea, and I'm going to do this next time I go, there's a doctor who does the threads. So when you do it here in the U.S., maybe they'll do like five smooth threads, like to pull back and kind of lift the skin back here, right?

31:52Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:So like from the like jawline to the ear. Yeah.

31:56Jessie L. Wong:This doctor will do 40 of them in a cross hair patch like this, and he'll go down into the fascia and then like weave it back into the hairline and do 40 of them. So you're getting like this incredible lift.

32:10Amy Chang:Yeah. Well, with less puckering. Yes. Right. Or potential for puckering because it's the crosshashes and it's so dense.

32:18Jessie L. Wong:Yes.

32:18Amy Chang:More like a facelift really.

32:20Jessie L. Wong:Although.

32:21Amy Chang:Because it's overall.

32:22Jessie L. Wong:Yeah. Results are not as long lasting. I feel like that's kind of the complaint that people have with threads. For sure.

32:27Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:I'll be following your journey when you do that. Yeah.

32:30Jessie L. Wong:I love being a guinea pig. Yeah, you do. I love just trying new things. I feel like I have this, and I wonder if you guys have this too as well, like this constant curiosity. I'm always wondering like what's new, what's latest, what's next.

32:46Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:I do, but I'm a chicken. And the only thing I would do is CO2 because it's been around for so long. And I've seen so many people with good results. However, I love when people are taking the plunge and I love seeing it all. So I think that's, yeah, the reporter in me.

33:04Amy Chang:I want to ask you because you have done so much. What are the three, let's say, treatments that have been most transformative for your skin?

33:13Jessie L. Wong:I would definitely say PicoLaser. So it uses like a picosecond technology that goes in below the skin surface and it shatters pigmentation. I deal with melasma. And so a lot of other heat-based energy devices trigger my melasma to come back and I get post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation. Not always. I've done Fraxel Laser and Clear and Brilliant and treated with hydroquinone pre and post. And that really helps to mitigate any darkening of the melasma. But Pico laser has just been incredible because it's not heat-based. It's more of like a mechanical action that's shattering the pigmentation. It is incredible for my melasma.

33:58Jessie L. Wong:And so I do that every year, a couple of times. I'm actually going through perimenopause right now. And so are you on hormone replacement therapy? Yeah, I'm on month three. I'm like, let's swap stories. What do you think? That was our next question for you.

34:12Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:So is that also transformational for your skin? Oh, yeah.

34:16Jessie L. Wong:So I feel like I went off on a bunch of dashes.

34:19Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:No, no, no.

34:19Amy Chang:We can also talk about that on your show too.

34:21Jessie L. Wong:So let me finish answering this. So definitely PicoLaser for my melasma. Because as Dr. Shereen Idris always says, getting the skin to reflect light is what makes it look really healthy. And for when you have dark spots, it just does not reflect light in the same way because the dark spots scatter the light. And so definitely doing Pico, getting rid of my acne scars. I mean, I still have some light ones, but they used to be so deep and it was just, it was hard for me. It was a personal decision. I was like, this is something I really want to get rid of and did almost like 10 rounds of Fraxel laser to get rid of them.

35:02Jessie L. Wong:So it was a big investment to do it.

35:04Amy Chang:But that was transformative.

35:05Jessie L. Wong:Yeah, because they were really deep on my cheeks and my temples. And yeah, I just scar really easily. So those two. And then hormone replacement therapy. I feel like I'm 20 again. How do you feel? Oh my gosh.

35:19Amy Chang:I can't say that I feel 20 again. No, but I do think that my skin's looking better. I think it's looking like juicier. Oh. and that's probably the biggest thing I have to think about. I don't notice as many benefits as I thought that I would. But it's still early days-ish. How long have you been on it? I've been on it for almost nine months. Okay, okay. How long did it take before you started noticing?

35:51Jessie L. Wong:Well, it took three months to get into a rhythm with the right dose. Yeah. That was key. and then I feel like at that point I started to notice some improvements I was like my hair looks a little shinier and thicker my skin had a bit of a glow but for me it wasn't so much the external things as the internal I had severe brain fog and yes just forgetfulness and things that would naturally roll off the tongue that I knew before I was like why is it so hard for me to search for this like one word or this one thought. And I did not understand what was going on at first. And I thought, oh my God, I'm just like, am I getting stupid?

36:35Jessie L. Wong:Like what is happening to my brain? And I was waking up in the middle of the night at 3 a.m. like clockwork. I was waking up and I was struggling to sleep. And these are the early signs of perimenopause because that dip in progesterone is the first sign that one is entering into it. And what happens is it throws off the hormones so that in the middle of the night you have this cortisol spike and that's what wakes women up at 3 a.m. So that was happening. And then the brain fog because I wasn't sleeping well and all of that. So once I got on it, brain fog's gone. Sleep is everything. Yeah. Like mentally I feel sharp like myself again.

37:14Jessie L. Wong:And that's really the best part. Incredible.

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39:27Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Okay, well, we are a beauty podcast after all. So we're not gonna leave you hanging because Amy has brought a little show and tell some stuff she was able to sneak in with the TSA. So we're going to talk about her skincare routine. And there's like plenty of bottles on this table that I have never seen before. You guys will definitely want to check out our YouTube. So let's talk about skincare, Amy. Your reviews are always so in-depth, which I appreciate. Like you were one of the first people to really mapping out like what the f*** exosomes are and like properly reviewing exosome serums and everything.

40:00Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:And I really, really appreciate that. So let's talk first about a serum that you can't stop yapping about right now and why. You can feel free to pick them up if you want.

40:11Jessie L. Wong:I mean, as you guys know, from being in the industry for so long, there's very little true innovation. There's a lot of like repackaging and kind of giving a new name and maybe slightly like changing the combination. There's quite a bit of that in the industry. But for there to be like truly new innovation, like when that happens, it always gets me super excited because I'm like, yes. And I feel like I felt that way when I first used the Allies of Skin Growth Factor Serum. Yes. Because retinol has been such a struggle for me. And I feel like a part of it is because I have very sensitive skin, one.

40:53Jessie L. Wong:Two, I'm constantly doing, trying some sort of in-office treatment. And so the having to cycle on and cycle off because you have to stop doing a retinol a few weeks prior, a couple of weeks after, sometimes even a month after, then you can get back on. But then by that point, I'm ready for the next treatment. So it just never, it was hard for me to work it into my routine. And so when I discovered growth factors, I was like, oh, this is it for me. Because it stimulates collagen using very similar pathways as retinol. But you're not getting the irritation, the redness with it. You don't have to do the buildup to it.

41:33Jessie L. Wong:And it just worked with my lifestyle of doing a lot of in-office treatments. And so I'm a big fan of this one here also because these growth factor serums are expensive. Yes. And so of the ones that I've tried, I mean, I've tried, there's Angela Caglia's one that's like$400. I mean, eighth day, I think there's this five or six. I mean, they really get up there. And so I feel like this is a nice price point too that I, I mean, it's$200. Let's not get it. It's still a very expensive product, but I guess on a relative basis. Yeah, I just really like it. And I noticed that it helps to heal my breakouts faster.

42:13Jessie L. Wong:It's helping to reduce some of that inflammation, like help with the skin barrier. So I really love this product. And it's a very lightweight serum. I love this product too.

42:21Amy Chang:Somebody just described. It's a good one. I can't remember who we interviewed now, but they were talking about products and ingredients that are and ingredients, meaning that they don't conflict with anything. Yeah, you can use this with retinol. That's what I really like about this. The proper name is the Allies of Skin Multi-Peptides and GF Advanced Lifting Serum. And I do find - And I guess GF is growth factors, everyone. They ran out of room on the label. It's a great product and it is an and product. It's not going to fight with anything. Yes. And they say that it supercharges the results

42:53Jessie L. Wong:when used with the retinol.

42:55Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:So nice. Okay, what else is here? Okay, we need to talk about the Riedel shot because I've never actually tested it.

43:01Jessie L. Wong:So what I like about this is that spicules are a physical exfoliation. You know, the spicules are derived from marine sponges. This brand in particular gets them, they source them from marine sponges that come from the Black Sea by Ukraine. And then they have this very thorough process of sterilization and they turn them translucent so they can make sure that they're not contaminated with anything. they're very microscopic needle-like structures that pierce the top layer of skin and then what happens is it stimulates the body's own healing response stimulating collagen and also exfoliation so originally the product was created for people who are dealing with acne because they found that it helped to clear up acne breakouts but then they also found that it stimulates the collagen and it's a great way to get ingredients deeper into the skin.

43:54Jessie L. Wong:And so that's what I really love about this is because I pair it with my allies of skin serums and they penetrate deeper and I feel like I get a better result because our skin is a barrier. It's meant to keep things out. And so I feel like companies are always trying to figure out new delivery systems. Like they're always patting something like that. How do we get it deeper to where it needs to go to be effective? And so I feel like this is just really, it's true innovation that we've seen.

44:23Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Yeah. So the full name of it is what, Carlene?

44:26Amy Chang:This is the Cica by Hyalon Riedel Shot 100. Yeah. Cica Riedel.

44:33Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:So how often are you using this? When are you using this in your routine?

44:37Jessie L. Wong:So you would use this after washing your face and then you would apply it on clean skin and then you would go ahead and apply the other things. And you can use this with retinol. You just have to be really careful. I mean, I recommend most people to just cycle and do this on one night if they want to use retinol and use retinol on another night. They do have a formulation that includes retinite. So for those that want to use both and just want it simply.

45:06Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:They have on the label, everybody, hardness. Like the spicules can feel hard. But this particular version, the Riedlschot 100, is lower on the hardness. This does not feel anything like what I used. We had the professional. I had the professional one done.

45:22Amy Chang:And when you massage it in, it feels like tiny shards of glass.

45:26Jessie L. Wong:Shards of glass are going into it.

45:27Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Have you tried the 900?

45:29Jessie L. Wong:I've tried the 1 ,000. And? And it feels, I mean, you feel the pricks for sure. But I feel like the 50 and the 100 are really good because you're going to get that deeper penetration for your other ingredients. And you're going to get the light collagen stimulation. But I personally just really love it for getting my other serums deeper. Yeah, for sure. So I'm just a big fan of VT Cosmetics. They're a public company in Korea. And they are a Korean company that is very popular in Korea. because there's a lot of Korean brands that are not necessarily Korean brands in the sense of they started in Korea, grew there, became popular, and then are exported here.

46:16Jessie L. Wong:There's been this new wave of Korean founders starting brands here that are Korean brands, but not necessarily, were not sold at the time in Korea, although many of them now are sold in Korea. Maybe like a glow recipe or something? Yeah, they weren't born out of there. Exactly. or that we also have seen Korean brands where they're created in Korea, but then they first bring them to market in the U.S. like Beauty of Joseon and then Tier Tier. And actually Tier Tier, they have major investment from the same parent company as Beauty of Joseon. So if you notice, they followed a very similar playbook with their marketing strategy and they kind of knew how to how to infiltrate the U.S.

46:56Jessie L. Wong:market.

46:57Amy Chang:Yeah.

46:57Jessie L. Wong:Yeah.

46:58Amy Chang:I didn't know that about Beauty of Joseon. I thought that they were from Korea or like launched there first.

47:05Jessie L. Wong:So they created in Korea, but brought it to the U.S. market first. And then after it gained a lot of popular traction here, then it started to grow in Korea. But even like with the tier tier compact, I go back to Korea and my Korean friends are like, nobody uses this compact here. Nobody uses this line. I mean, it's now sold at some select Olive and Young's in Korea because of the foreign tourists who come there. looking for it. Exactly. Interesting. That's fascinating.

47:34Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:So this particular product is what?

47:36Jessie L. Wong:Yeah. So this is also by VT Cosmetics. I feel like I just love so many of their products. They really have a lot of innovation, but this is using a main ingredient called Centella Asiatica that's been around for a while. I mean, a lot of Japanese brands also use it. And then Sika is short for Centella Asiatica, but it's this plant that grows in Asia and like tigers roll in it because it It helps to soothe wounds, cuts, burns, all of that. I mean, it's really where tiger balm originated from.

48:05Amy Chang:Okay, interesting.

48:06Jessie L. Wong:And so they're putting that ingredient in here because it helps to calm redness. It would actually be really great for you. Yeah. Calms facial redness, soothes the skin. And like, I'm dealing with a couple of breakouts. I feel like this happens every December. I get a couple of them from my diet changing, a lot of travel, the heat's on. And so then I always switch up my routine a little bit to include more products that are very soothing and good for me.

48:33Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:This is kind of in a tube. It almost reminds me of like a whole, I was going to say Whole Foods. We'll eat a skin food kind of looks like that, except it comes out green, like a green jelly. This is very on brand for you, Carleen.

48:47Amy Chang:The Zika Cream Plus. Incredible. XO Tea Tree. Interesting. So it might have some tea tree in there. A cream that cures for dry skin by filling the skin with moisture and protecting it.

48:58Jessie L. Wong:It has glycerin in it. It has beta-glucan. Lovely. My favorite. I love beta-glucan, which really great hydrator. It hydrates the skin 20 times better than hyaluronic acid, and it has wound healing abilities to it. Love it. Lovely.

49:12Amy Chang:So we probably have time for maybe one more. Yeah. Which one is jumping out as a holy grail here?

49:20Jessie L. Wong:I love the Cocokine Mist. I love this brand. I love the founder too. It's really a community driven brand. Like this past year, they did this whole shift away from influencer brand trips and started doing community trips for their audience. And I just find that so refreshing and kind of where we are right now with all of that. But this product's really great. It's very affordable. It's like $16 or$17.

49:48Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Very much. Like I think you find it at Target maybe or at drugstore.

49:52Jessie L. Wong:Yeah, exactly. But it has in it zinc and the zinc helps to control excess sebum and it's calming, has anti-inflammatory benefits to it. And the magnesium is also very soothing. So it's really great for anyone who's dealing with inflammatory skin issues. And I just find that it helps to calm and soothe my skin. So I'm dealing with a couple of acne breakouts. And so I've been, I keep this in my back. I don't know how TSA let me through with it. I mean, it's four fluid ounces, but they did. It's so great. It's very cooling.

50:19Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Yeah. They all frankly look too big for TSA, but I love it. I'm going to have to call this in because this is very much something I need because I have breakouts as well.

50:28Amy Chang:It's called the Cocokine Calming Magnesium Mist.

50:31Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Thank you for sharing with the class. Yeah. Thank you for sharing everything today.

50:35Amy Chang:It's been wonderful chatting with you and we're really excited that we're doing this as a pod swap. I can't wait to have you on the pod. Yes. And we're excited to see what is to come from Mirror Mirror, more shows ahead. Congrats on your new podcast.

50:49Jessie L. Wong:Thank you, ladies. Well, I'm so happy to be here. This was fun. I mean, I could just sit and chat with you guys for hours. I know. I know.

50:56Carlos A. M. Rodriguez:Every time we, like we learned so much from you today as well. So we really thank you for that. Thank you. Thank you.

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