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Breaking Beauty Podcast - Episode Summary
Podcast Information
- Title: Breaking Beauty Podcast
- Hosts: Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins
- Description: The podcast focuses on beauty trends, product recommendations, and interviews with industry experts.
Episode Title
The Top 12 #DamnGood Esthetician-Formulated Skincare Products For Every Step of Your Routine, Tested!
Episode Overview
- The podcast kicks off 2025 with a focus on esthetician-developed skincare products.
- The hosts discuss the importance of estheticians in skincare and highlight their recommendations for effective products.
- Listeners are offered insights into the best products for hyperpigmentation, acne, at-home resurfacing peels, and more.
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Key Themes and Discussions
Importance of Estheticians
- Hands-On Experience: Estheticians have extensive experience in treating skin, allowing them to offer valuable product recommendations.
- Celebrity Influence: Many estheticians work with high-profile clients, which boosts the visibility of their skincare lines (e.g., celebrities like Kendall Jenner, Victoria Beckham).
Trends in Skincare
- Rise of Esthetician Brands: Compared to eight years ago, there are now many more esthetician-led brands available on the market.
- Social Media Influence: Estheticians showcase their products and methods through social media, making skincare more accessible to the public.
Episode Structure
- The hosts categorize their recommendations into different skincare steps: cleansers, toners, serums, exfoliators, masks, and treatments.
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Product Highlights
Cleansers
- Then I Met You Living Cleansing Balm - A modern take on cleansing balms.
- Jan Marini Bioglycolic Face Cleanser - Known for its glycolic acid formula, effective for clearing pores.
Toners
- Biba D'Souza Glycolic Lactic Toner - Combines exfoliating ingredients with hydrating properties.
- Monastery Hydrating Floral Essence - A calming toner with rose water and orchid oil.
Serums
- Sophie Carbonari The S Serum - A high-end serum with vitamin C and hydrating ingredients.
- Peach & Lily Glass Skin Serum - Popular for its ability to refine skin texture and promote a glass-like finish.
Exfoliators
- Kate Somerville ExfoliKate - Offers multiple exfoliation methods in a two-minute treatment.
- Tammy Fender Epi Peel - A clay-based exfoliator that detoxifies and refreshes the skin.
Masks
- Joanna Czech Face Mask - A premium biocellulose sheet mask with hydrating and detoxifying properties.
Treatments
- Sophie Pavitt Mandelic Clearing Serum - A gentle serum for acne-prone skin.
- Shawnee Darden Retinol Reform - A user-friendly retinol serum for aging concerns.
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Key Takeaways
- Diverse Recommendations: The podcast emphasizes that different skin types and conditions require tailored products.
- Active Ingredients Matter: Many products feature crucial ingredients, such as AHAs, peptides, and botanical extracts, which are pivotal for achieving desired skincare results.
- Engagement with Audience: The hosts encourage listeners to share their favorite products, fostering a community dialogue around skincare.
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Conclusion
- The episode combines a wealth of information about esthetician-developed skincare lines with personal recommendations from experienced beauty editors, making it a must-listen for skincare enthusiasts looking to enhance their routines in 2025.
Next Steps Listeners are encouraged to engage on social media platforms, subscribe to the podcast, and check out detailed product links and promo codes available on their blog.
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Note: This summary captures the essence of the podcast episode while organizing key points and product recommendations, making it easily digestible for readers interested in skincare.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.
0:07Welcome to Breaking Beauty, the podcast all about the breakthrough people, products, and moments in beauty. We're your hosts, Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins.
0:20Welcome back to Breaking Beauty podcast, everyone. Happy 2025. We are in your feeds with a brand new episode on the very first day of the year. We're really happy that you're joining us. Hey, Carlene. Hi, Jill. Happy New Year. Thank you. Happy New Year to you too. You as well. So what we have learned in eight years of doing this podcast is that our audience loves skincare content and in particular episodes that feature estheticians. And I can understand why, because there's always so many tips, tricks, takeaways, and product advice from people that are just touching people's faces all the time.
1:01They just have those hands on hours that really lend itself so well to providing educational content. Yes, absolutely. And we've had some amazing estheticians on our show that truly, you know, whether they're getting celebrities red carpet ready or we have real like problem solution estheticians who are just like transforming people's skin. Yeah. Life changing. You know, without the use of drugs when it comes to acne and pigment and stuff like that. So, so much respect for and they're largely women, I will say as well. Now, the other types of episodes that do well in our history, our damn goods episodes, where we kind of check out the landscape, we test about a bazillion products and then we edit.
1:51That's what we do as two former beauty editors turned beauty podcasters. Indeed. And we deliver our edit of what we think is hashtag damn good. So we're smashing both of those ideas together today. We're smushing them together and we're doing a roundup of the absolute best esthetician developed skincare products in our opinion. So we're doing a top 20, I think, somewhere around there. We're going to have to go a little faster than usual, everyone, because there are a lot of products to go over. But really, when we started this podcast almost eight years ago, there weren't as many esthetician-led brands on the market.
2:34It was just a few, really, that you'd find at Sephora that really led the charge like Dermalogica, Kate Somerville. I mean, those are probably the goats, but we've seen so many more now that, you know, the barrier to entry is a little bit lower. Yeah. If you're trusting your face in someone's hands on a regular, semi-regular basis, if they're using certain products on you in the treatment, well, it kind of makes sense that an esthetician would then be compelled to make their own line because they're selling you product anyway, typically. And then with social media, you can, estheticians can show how they're using the product when they're not in the treatment room.
3:10And I just think it's incredible all the way around. Well, let's not forget also when they have a celebrity clientele. Yeah. And they've done somebody for the red carpet. You know, if Haley Bieber is your client and she's constantly getting compliments on her skin and you're doing her skin every single month or whatever, then it's a compelling argument to want to start a line. So anyway, we have tried so many. But I think the other thing I just want to add really quickly is there is, I think, also a camp of people who will be who will gravitate toward dermatologist developed skincare brands and some people who will follow more facialist, esthetician developed beauty brands.
3:51If you guys want us to do a roundup of the best dermatologist created beauty products in the future, let us know because we can do that too. Yeah, I already have a few favorites on that camp. We need to say off the hop that I have oilier skin. I have normal skin, but it is quite sensitive and rosacea prone. So my biggest issue is typically redness. And then because I'm in my 40s, I'm also dealing with that. Jill, you are typically about oil. Definitely more oily, sensitive, breakout prone. So keep that in mind when we are reviewing these products. Yes. Certainly because, and you know, we're talking about certain brands.
4:32I'm sure there's a, for every esthetician out there, there's probably a protocol and there's so many lines to choose from. So these are just the ones that we happen to get our hands on. But if there's like one that you need us to know about, I want to hear about it. I definitely want to hear in our Facebook chat room. I think we should drop some favorites that have been skin transformers. Yes. And on our Instagram as well. You know, we always post when we drop an episode and you can drop it in there. So because we want to know, but our other our listeners also want to know. Yeah. OK, so the roadmap, as it were, for today's episode, we're going to give you suggestions in each category, cleansers, toners.
5:11So there's exfoliating toners, there's hydrating toners. We're going to be talking about serums, beauty tools. I even have an SPF recommendation. And I do want to say, I just have to say, very unfortunately, I did not get to try Caroline Hirons line, which is called Skin Rocks. And she's like the most iconic aesthetician on social media, I would say, and also a podcaster now. So I do apologize that we didn't get a chance to give hers a go. But yes, is it available in North America yet? It's harder to get. Right. It probably ships. Yes, we do want to try it. And she's a past guest on our show, as are most of the aestheticians we're going to be talking about today.
5:52We'll link to some of those episodes as well in our show notes. So here we go. Our top esthetician created skincare products after the jump.
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8:43all right carly i think with cleansers we want to start with talking maybe about a first step cleanser a cleansing balm when we're talking about cleansing balms of course i think we need to give a shout out to eve lom right for creating or at least popularizing this category in North America. I believe she's from the UK. Is she not? Actually, like Eastern Europe. It's like your people. Right. It's like Czech Republic or the former Czechoslovakia. Like that's how long she's been doing it. Right. So that's kind of an icon that I just want to hat tip. Yes. However, in this day and age, I wouldn't say it's my absolute favorite in this category.
9:24So Then I Met You Living Cleansing Balm is currently my favorite when it comes to cleansing balms. It's$39 US. And the founder is Charlotte Cho of Soko Glam. She's a trained esthetician, maybe not in practice. So I don't know, maybe people are going to argue with me on this one, but it is an award-winning cleansing balm that is great for all skin types. And I think that's the point of difference, aside from the fact that it smells lovely, like so fresh and like grapefruit. So you can use it in the morning and it looks like sorbet. It feels like sorbet, but it's good for all skin types, right? Whereas Jill, like I know you love this product.
10:08You have oily skin. Yeah. Do you find it leaves a residue or anything? No, I don't. I don't. But I also appreciate that it is a more modern take on it. Like it's not like get out the muslin cloth and put it on your face. Like I'm just not going to be the person that's doing that, even though I love the idea of being the flannel girl. This has modernized it. Yeah. It has the little scoop. You don't have to get your fingers in there. Yeah. I just like that it doesn't leave that oily skin feeling afterwards. so you can still move ahead with your subsequent skincare routine. Yeah. But it is still getting off because of the oils, the sunscreen and the makeup and all of that.
10:49While it has a lovely scent, there's less than 1 % synthetic fragrance in there. So it's not irritating. You know, she, again, because she has been trained as an esthetician, she knows what's up. Yeah. And I think she's a little busy these days running her brands and being a mom of two. So I doubt she's logging many hours in the treatment room. But the point being that she has that hands-on experience working on people. And she's tried a lot of product too. So what about step two, Jill? I wanted to show you the Jan Marini Bioglycolic Face Cleanser. It's$48 US,$62 in Canada. I think this brand is a bit of a sleeper hit amongst consumers maybe.
11:30Yes. But in the esthetician world, people worship Jan Marini. She is an incredible educator. She's been researching ingredients forever. And she's actually an innovator in the sense that she was the first person to bring glycolic acid to commercial use in beauty. Oh, wow. So she said at the time in 1994, when she invented this product range, glycolic acid was not used. It might have been used in treatment rooms, but for commercial use at home, it was not used. So the fact that this product came out in 1994, so it's what, 31 years old since we're in 2025? Is that right? And Kendall Jenner just used this in her like Vogue, Get Ready With Me video.
12:12And I think really what makes it stand out is that any skin type can use it. And even though it's glycolic acid, it does not sting. I think you should try using it. This is the cleansing gel. I'm sorry, technically better for, I would say, oily skin, but it really keeps your pores clear because it's that flash contact of an exfoliating ingredient. And so far, I've been really liking it. It's, you know, I'll be honest, nothing special to look at. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a workhorse brand. Yes. It's, you know, and it's, I think it's meant more for professional sales and, you know, you sort of, it gets recommended to you by your esthetician, then you buy it.
12:50You're typically not going to find it at the, on the shelf of, you know, a even blue mercury type of thing. And it's non-foaming as well, which I also wanted to bring up because a lot of glycolic acid-based cleansers are foaming. Right. Now you mentioned flash contact, which I do think is great for people like me with sensitive skin because then it's not sitting there for a long time. So it's one way to kind of use the ingredient without overdoing it. Yeah. I would still say 60 second cleanse. That's the rule that I still use when I'm using something like this. Saying happy birthday while you wash your face.
13:27Exactly. At least once, if not a couple of times. We need a timer in the shower. We just like turn it upside down. Absolutely. Anyway, after like really getting my hands on this and using it, I was like, we need to have Jan on the show because she is like, she has a warehouse, Carlene, full of product that's not her own. That's product from other brands. Yes. And she said, because she came up before the internet, this was how she would research product. She'd go out and buy. Right. I think there's probably still a lot of developers who do that. She has the original La Mer. It was called Cream of the Sea from Max before he sold it commercially to anybody.
14:10So she's got like a friggin archive. Oh my God, like a museum. We need to go do a roving reporter. and I'd be curious to see what has stood up. But anyway, she's a fascinating person and I will continue to use this. Okay. When it comes to toners, and by the way, I will say I'm a skin cycler. I'm not putting all of this on top, all of these actives on top of my skin every single day. But a glycolic toner that I discovered from an esthetician brand that I really like is from Biba, Biba D'Souza, who was recently on our show. She works with Billie Eilish. She works with Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. She created a toner called the glycolic lactic toner.
14:48And what I really appreciate about this one is that it has glycerin in there. So it actually, when you put it on a cotton pad and put it on your face, you don't get stinging at all. And I think the combo of the AHAs together is really gentle and powerful to get that cell turnover. So you're getting that gentle glow. It also has one of your favorite ingredients, aloe vera leaf juice extract in there, hyaluronic acid. And it has those are all designed to alleviate the skin dryness. It's oil controlling, I would say. Yeah, that makes sense. So if I have like a big event or I really think I'm going to my face is going to eat my makeup, something like this is a good first step for me.
15:34Yeah, yeah, it's true. We can never forget that step of using an exfoliating toner before putting on your makeup for a great event because your makeup just goes on so much better. Yeah. That was always kind of the lore about the Biologique Recherche P50. Yes. Although that was not created by an esthetician. So that's a sidebar. But I also wanted to mention it's$38 US for this product. So it's pretty reasonable. Yeah. To get the same toner that probably Hayley Bieber uses on her face, you know. Absolutely. Or Billie Eilish. And I think what's important to know about or what's important to think about is like, yes, I'm saying ingredients you've probably heard of before, but I think it's really about like the recipe that these estheticians are able to, because they're used to kind of playing with professional products and putting them together in a strength, quote unquote, that will work for skin and get you the best results with no irritation.
16:27I think that that's, she's bottled that. Yeah. And Biba is also, in case you didn't listen to that episode, she is a big believer in non-comedogenic ingredients. So you can be sure that any product in her line is non-comedogenic for real. Because that term, everybody has a different interpretation of what that means or how they test it. She actually has an ingredient checker on her website. Or clogging checker, I think. Or clogging checker. And so you can copy and paste the ingredient list on your product, your favorite product, to see if there is a sneaky ingredient in there that is clogging pores.
17:07So that's just something good to know because she is a bit of a acne fixer. Yeah. Is what she's probably best known for. So I don't doubt that that's probably like triple A in this category. Love it. Now, not everybody is looking for acne products or to exfoliate in their toner. Of course, there's a whole different category, which is hydrating toners. And, you know, unless you're talking about K-beauty or Japanese toners, there are some great ones from estheticians where they're really using, they tend to be botanical ingredients. these types of myths, they're refreshing. And I find usually it's about not only hydration, but calming ingredients.
17:55Like usually it aims to reduce inflammation, that kind of thing. So I want to tell you about one that I recently discovered. I quite like it. It's Monastery. Have you heard of this brand? Yeah. Rachel Goodwin was talking about it on our show. Yeah. Or Molly Stern, one of them. Yeah. I think it was Rachel Goodwin. And I had not heard of this brand until then. First of all, it's beautiful. It's absolutely stunning. It is so up my alley in terms of like aesthetic and the backstory. So I'm going to just tell you very briefly. We have so much to talk about today, but the founder, her name is Athena Hewitt, and she's a master esthetician.
18:33She has 20 years of study and training, and she has a studio in San Francisco, Monastery Studio. And she created this line because like we've talked about a lot of products she had been using in her back bar were still irritating her clients and creating problems. So that's why she created this. Now, this hydrating floral essence, you can smell it here, Jill, was created as a collaboration with Sofia Coppola. No shit. Yeah. Like how chic is that? So it was created, it's called Hideaways, and it was inspired by Hideaways Resort in Belize. So it uses all like local ingredients. It does smell very beautiful, but I will say it is a bit, it might be a bit perfumey for some people, a bit floral, even though they say that it doesn't contain any added fragrances.
19:31So I think it's just the ingredients themselves. It really does feel like you're walking through like a tropical garden in Belize. The main ingredient is rose water. So that's really what you're smelling if you love the smell of rose water, which we know is calming as well. And then it also has orchid oil, orange bitter oil. So if you're not an essential oils person, this product is not for you. But one thing that I do think is worth mentioning is her no-no list of ingredients. So the products she does not use, no alcohols, that's to be expected, no petroleum, no shea butter. Jill, you would appreciate that because a lot of sort of all natural botanical brands use that, but you find that to break you out.
20:17No cinnamon oil, no salts, no coconut oil, no squalene. Oh, no, wait, no squalene. Right, right. That makes sense because that's not vegan. Correct. No fillers of any kind, no parabens, no salicylic acid, no sulfates, and no tea tree oil. Okay. Why no salicylic acid? Is that... Well, that can be irritating. I mean, it's still exfoliating to a degree. It may be irritating to some. Yeah. But it's also in a glass bottle, everyone. It's a mist. It's a mist. Yes, it's in a burgundy bottle. I'm spraying it right now. Live spritzing. And everything in this line is just absolutely stunning. Like, picture it like Sofia Coppola creative directed this line.
21:00Like, that's how chic it is. Yeah, it really is very special. If I didn't mention it, this is$120 US. Okay. And yeah, the whole line is in this kind of like botanical, super relaxing. lovely. So in terms of how you use it in your routine, it's an essence versus a toner. Well, it's a toner essence. Again, I feel like an essence is a non-exfoliating toner, really. It's a hydrating toner. But you can use it as a mist so that you can use it throughout the day as well. That's really the significance of a mist. Okay. So moving on, our next category is Best Serum. Ooh, okay. Such a tough one. There's a lot of good serums out there.
21:45Carlene, I think you might have gotten an import. Yes. This is my favorite product of the day that I'm showing to people. It's probably the hardest to get too. It's actually not. This is the Sophie Carbonary The S Serum. It's$316 US. It's not inexpensive. It's available at Moda Operandi in the U.S. And I believe they shipped to Canada as well. So this was a new to me product and I actually got it from the Moda newsletter. That's how I discovered it. And that's how I learned about Sophie Carbonari. Turns out that Sophie is Paris's most wanted facialist. Okay. Which I didn't realize. And she has clients like Caroline de Maigret, Lou Doyon, Naomi Campbell, and Rihanna.
22:35Okay. Her studio is in Palais Royale in Paris. Beautiful. She is known to create the glow. Okay. So she created this product. I believe this is the only product in her line, in her eponymous line at the moment. And it's really an all around hydrating and balancing serum. It's said to be good for all skin types. I would say it's a daytime serum. It has, because the main ingredient is vitamin C, which we know works really well during the day under a sunscreen. It has hyaluronic acid that's going to give you that plumpness, that stewiness. Centella Asiatica, that's wound healing. You know, that's really great for calming.
23:18That's in a lot of K-beauty as well. Exactly. Black cumin, which is another antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, vitamin C for moisturizing, and argan oil. So it's in a dropper, everyone. It's in a dropper, and it looks almost like it's going to be a face oil. But to me, it's almost like a hybrid. It's almost like a refreshing oil or a gel oil. Okay. And it has just a little bit of gold luster in it. So it feels so quenching on the skin and it just looks really beautiful even on its own. I think this is really that French girl aesthetic where, you know, maybe they're not wearing any makeup. Right. But I watched a video where she was talking about it and she actually recommends you can put it on even after makeup on the tops of your cheeks for a bit of glow.
24:06Do you want to try it? I'm not wasting a drop. Well, she sent me two bottles. So here's my holiday gift to you. Oh, it is made in Korea. Yes. Oh, yes. It is made in Korea. I just, yeah. So that's why the Sika is in there. I forgot it. Yeah. So designed in Paris, made in Korea. So it really has that beautiful texture, whereas I find a lot of other of these kind of like botanical organic brands are so you get that oil where you can really only wear it for before bed. So I just feel like this is a very special, unique product. And I could also tolerate the vitamin C quite well, which usually I can't tolerate vitamin C at all.
24:48Right. Again, it's like she knows what she's doing. Like they're not going to she's not going to do anything that might potentially irritate the skin. Yeah. Glycerin also in there. I will also say that this is a black owned brand. And I think in the esthetician space, we don't always see so many like commercially successful skin care founders. Right. So I think that's also another another item of note for sure. So speaking of K-Beauty, I'm going to talk about a serum that gives you glass skin. this is the peach and lily glass skin serum it's 39 us dollars it's available at ulta and of course the founder of this brand is alicia yoon she's been on our podcast she is an esthetician she grew up in korea i'll never forget on our show when she gave us those like facial exercises that she does that basically like strengthen the whole face like she it's like yoga for your face.
25:46She really knows the ins and outs of skincare and taking care of your skin holistically as well as topically. This product is so huge that one bottle is sold every two minutes. Wow. And it really introduced, I think, the whole notion of glass skin to North America. Yeah. It's really all about refining skin's texture so your pores aren't as pronounced, giving you that glass even tone of the skin. It's got niacinamide in there. It has yam extract, which helps to create more supple skin and reduce flakiness. It has hyaluronic acid complex. It has a peptide complex. It also has a centella asiatica derivative, and that's known to help skin and rejuvenate it.
26:29Which we can't pronounce. Yeah, I can't pronounce it, so you'll have to Google it that way. It's a derivative. That's all you need to know. Exactly. And I just find that it also gives you visible smoothing of lines when you are dedicated to using it. And it kind of does it all. And I understand why it's such a smash hit because a lot of different skin types can use it and see results. So if you're concerned about texture, you can use it. If you're concerned about fine lines, you can use it. If your skin is prone to redness or flakiness, you can use it. And I love following her content because she goes to Korea a lot.
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27:05and between her and her sister and her mom, I'm like taking notes. Yeah. Because they always have these interesting supplements they're taking. They're always like at the forefront of, you know, skincare and skincare habits. They just dropped a new product. I haven't had a chance to try it, but I need to. It's called Cryo Reset Calming Mask Pads. And these are super concentrated mask pads that are soaked with cooling mint extract, calming artesmia and azuline and vitamins B5 and B12 to soothe and cool. Use on cheeks, foreheads, or other areas of concern for five to 20 minutes to quickly reduce irritation, redness, overheated skin.
27:48Is that made for us? Yeah. These are like mask pads. I think you can like stick them anywhere on your face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Who needs a skin fridge? So 2020. Yeah, literally. Okay, amazing. Now we're going to talk about best exfoliators. There are quite a few. I feel like exfoliators, the at-home peel was kind of in many ways like the gateway, one of those terms for estheticians to step in because it was like, look, this is how you can get my facial at home. I think was the way we saw so many of these products come to fruition. And I think that probably one of the most successful in this category was Kate Somerville, right?
28:34Yes. Yes. And she's also been on our show, one of our favorite episodes, Kate Somerville. She has her Exfolicate Intensive Exfoliating Treatment. It's$79, 107 in Canada for two ounces. And that's my tip. They have one that's bigger. You don't get the one that's bigger because it could dry out and like two ounces is enough. Right. Because you're using this like once a week. The reason it was so special is it's kind of hitting on three different types of exfoliation in one two minute treatment. So it's got enzymatic, it's got like physical scrub and chemical exfoliation. You leave it on your skin for two minutes.
29:10It's green. It definitely reduces pore size. And I think it's like really good to do that right before or a couple days before an event. Yeah. Like it's more intensive than that daily one I was talking about from Biba. It's a true treatment. Yes. Right. And they call it the two-minute facial or something. Okay. Interesting. I'm going to talk about a similar product because again, I think these kind of came up around the same time. But I think what's unique about that product is it's kind of in a gel, right? Yeah. The formula? Yes. It's like a green... It is. But I think the true breakthrough is that it has the three different types in the one.
29:49Yeah. But I'm just saying it's like a gel because when I think about this category, I have a few that are quite similar here. But the Tammy Fender Epi Peel. Okay. Okay. That's the one I'm holding here. It's in a jar. It's in a jar, in a glass jar. It's$95 US. And this is a multi-use peel. so it works as an exfoliator a face mask and a natural all-in-one peel so similar idea it's like three products in one yeah this one is unique to what you're talking about though because it's in a clay base so this is the classic you know back in the 90s or whatever you would see those ads with the woman with a white towel on her head and she had like this clay mask like white clay mask on her face, right?
30:38This is kind of like she could be she could have been using this. So it has like spearmint, which makes it really refreshing, rosemary, but it's really it's mineral rich clay that is really doing that sort of detoxifying. And so it's got a bit of that grit to it that is physically exfoliating as well. So this one is a classic and it's going to give you that again, kind of like that peel at home. So your pores are more, I noticed that my pores were more refined this morning. I used it last night. It's really quite iconic. So maybe from there, we can go right into the masks because there's another one I want to tell you about.
31:23This is the Tracy Martin. And you mentioned that you never got to try Tracy Martin, right? You know, she was on the Oprah show. So the enzyme exfoliant mask, again, it's kind of similar, but it's green. So this again, I mean, we've seen this all over the Internet on every kind of Getty image face mask. Right. So this one you leave on for 15 minutes and it's actually been dubbed the 15 minute facial in a jar. It's$90 US. It has pineapple enzymes, volcanic minerals, and it has AHA and BHA complex. So again, you're getting the three types of exfoliation, gets rid of dull skin, fine lines and wrinkles.
32:09So that's why I was saying that I think the Kate Somerville one's different because it doesn't have this clay base. It's not clay. No. Right? Yeah. So that makes it unique. And it definitely came from her spa. She did the two minute facial or like the, you know, she was famous for her peel. One of the things that I think is interesting is that, do you remember Jade Marie who was on our show? Yes. So sweet. So she very, very recently launched her own line. It's called Jade Complexions or Jaday Complexions because it's got an accent on the E. And I just want to point out that her first product, it's called the Crystalline Marine Facial Polish,$70 US.
32:50And this is really like a new version of this same concept that we're talking about. It has AHAs and BHAs in it as well. It's called a four-in-one product. So like these other ones, you can use it as a mask, an exfoliator, a corrective cleanser by mixing it with your cleanser. Right. Or a targeted spot treatment. And these other ones, same thing. They say like if you have a zit, you can just put this on the zit overnight. Right. And I think the clay would help draw it out. So this is like an old school idea that I actually think is worth revisiting. Kind of like the TikTok era. Right. That's why I think it's genius that Jade came out with this.
33:32And she did put her own spin on it. So it has clinically proven levels of glycolic and salicylic acids in it. But all of the ingredients are sourced from organic farms and it is fragrance free. That's a big difference because when you open these old school ones, they are very fragrant. And of course, a lot of estheticians these days. I think Tammy Fender just in general has a lot of essential oils in it. The Tracy Martin certainly does. Her products are very fragrant. actually more so than the Tammy Fender, I would say. So most estheticians these days are like, stay away from fragrance. So that's a point of difference.
34:11It's a new spin on an old idea. So, but I'll tell you the polish when you use it on its own, very polishing. So she asked me for feedback and I was like, I have sensitive skin. I think it's a bit too gritty. And she had said, mix it with your face wash. Use it as a spot treatment. You know, again, you can mix it in with other things to kind of get it to be less less coarse. But apparently it has been tested to make sure it's not going to create micro scratches, which according to her, some other popular polishes do. Right. Right. Which you'd only really see under a microscope. So I'm not I can't weigh in on that.
34:51Right. Well, I think the fact that she even used the word polish, she's going there. Yeah. Nobody else is using that. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So that gives you an indication that it's a scrub. It's a, yeah, it's a scrub that it's, you're going to not feel it, but yeah, it's meant to really, yeah, get those pores clear. Yeah. I mean, I like, I will say just really quickly, the Rene Rouleau Triple Berry. Yeah, it's the best. Smoothing mask. Because it's, again, kind of more like the Kate Somerville where it's in almost like a gel mask. So this is the one that's bright red that looks like a vampire facial.
35:26Sabrina Carpenter's fave. Yeah. And it really does, give you a peeling effect where your pores look less than the next day. Fantastic product, but the beads are like, there's no grit. It really is more like bubbly beads. And that one's 8850, by the way, for the record. US, the Rene Relo. Yeah. And what does Sabrina Carpenter say about it? This gives my skin a brilliant glow. Hell yeah. Yeah. Love it. So I want to shout out a mask that I love from Joanna Czech Skincare. It's called the Face Mask. This is a sheet mask. It is exorbitantly priced. It's$150 for five sheet masks. $220 Canadian. It's a biocellulose sheet mask.
36:14I don't really love sheet masks, but I love this one. Yep. Especially when it's gifted, baby. Yeah. It's hyaluronic acid, sunflower seed oil, coconut oil, but it also has benignite clay in there. And I think that is the difference maker. Hard to put clay in a sheet mask. Yeah. I think that's why I like it the most. So it's not just hydrating. No. It is doing some detoxifying. Exactly. So it's like if I could just have these. Yeah. Like a supply, I wouldn't be mad about it. And I listen, I know it's exorbitant, but she is she is the top name. Yeah. Out there. She has seen it all truly and done it all.
36:56And we had the incredible opportunity to go to her eponymous spa at the Limeritage in Beverly Hills. I have never in my life had such a bespoke facial from her girl, Melissa. I had more modalities used on me than a car wash, literally, but I loved every second of it. Like if I could go back there tomorrow. Yes. Oh my God. I had red light used on me, green light, ultrasonic water, microcurrent, but they were long wands. I know. I love the way it hugged my cheekbone. And that's when I was like, this is how they snatch the red carpet. It's like, oh, yeah. Like one on each side of the cheekbone and they're just like working it.
37:39Yeah. And when she was working on my face, she put like an LED light, the Saluma over my over my hands. I know. Same. And the oxygen chamber thing over your head. It was incredible. Cryotherapy was part of it. Yeah. But you get half an hour of massage and all of those steps first. So it's really the best of both worlds. Yes. You know what I mean? Because I like a massage. Don't give me all the modalities without touching my face. Yeah, no. But it's like results oriented. Yeah. And Joanna trains all of her people, of course. But my favorite part and what was the most memorable, of course, she's famous, Joanna, for slapping your face.
38:18but each time water was put on your face or like a water step or rinse they then Melissa would then follow up with a toner pad soaked in toner slapped all over your face yeah so every time water touched the face then a hydrating toner touched it right after yeah so these layers and the intricacy going back to the mist yeah exactly that's why mists are good you know it's that whole, what was that trend? Skin flooding? Yes. It was just incredible. It's on a different level. Best facial of the year for Jill and I, 2024.
38:57We need to move on to acne treatments. Now, Jill, I'm going to give you the floor on this one. So take it away. I'm going to talk about two different products in the address, two different things. First up, I want to talk about Sophie Pavitt. She's known as the Acne Whisperer in New York City. I've had a facial with her. It was excellent. I really loved it. I loved her approach. Everything was fantastic. She has this product called the Mandelic Clearing Serum. It's 54 US dollars. It's a three-in-one exfoliating active serum that smooths, hydrates, and protects. It has 8 % mandelic acid in there.
39:30And mandelic acid itself, in case you didn't know, is an AHA derived from bitter almonds. Oh, okay, nice. And estheticians recommend mandelic acid for darker, more melanated skin types because it's less likely to leave any kind of pigmentation. Right. It's the texture of this product for me. It is like what's lighter than water. That's what it feels like. And I feel as though when you have acne skin or you're in the middle of an active breakout, last thing you want to do is put anything on it, really. and this is transformational around the chin especially. Okay. I've emptied three of these. Wow.
40:09Yeah, obsessed. Okay. And definitely is less drying. Yeah. And then my other product that's iconic I'm going to recommend is from Renee Rouleau, our fave. It's the anti-bump solution. It was formerly called the anti-cyst treatment. Yes, I remember. $49 US. Over 250 ,000 units of this product have been sold. Nice. in 30 years of proven results. And this product I use when you have a zit that's so deep under the skin that it has its own heartbeat. It's throbbing. It is like it needs emergency 911, but do not pick it. Right. Get this product, put it on. And like then like very shortly after, you'll just notice it starts to shrink into itself without being all flaky and gross.
40:57And it's that type of acne is so stubborn and so debilitating that it is. This is something I would use like 911 emergency versus the Sophie Pavot, which is like an everyday thing to work into your routine. Stay consistent. Yeah. Got it. Do you know what I mean? Totally. One's an instant hit. The other one's like keep it up every day. By the way, Renee has a very specific way of putting this on. Perform your regular routine. take a damp tissue or a Q-tip, wipe the affected area clean, and then apply the bump solution as the last step. Okay. Interesting. Well, we love Renee and she is an expert product developer.
41:35Now we're going to move on to best, I'm going to say aging treatment because I don't want to say anti-aging. So I'm going to say best aging treatment. Now we all know there's a lot of buzzy ingredients that are getting a lot of attention these days, but at the end of the day, retinol still has the most amount of data behind it. Correct. So if we're going to talk about an esthetician-created aging treatment, it's going to be a retinol. And Jill is holding in her lovely hands. Yes. This is one of my favorites. It's from Shawnee Darden. It's the Retinol Reform. It's sold at Sephora,$89,$120 in Canada.
42:16I think this is a really smartly formulated retinol because you will keep using it. Yeah. It's not the most powerful retinol I've ever used that's over the counter. But I think that's a good thing. There's a reason why she did that is because she sees people all the time who are probably coming into her with like crazy skin irritations because they've just over they've overdone it. Right. And she's making sure you can have retinol in your routine and not overdo it. Therefore, you will get the results. And I think it's great for pigmentation, for fine lines, all the things we know that retinol is fantastic for.
42:50you know, fading scars. And I definitely noticed the smoothness with the forehead lines. And this is a retinol that I would tend to gravitate toward a little bit more so in the winter. Right. When I'm a little drier. Okay. And it's like a serum-y kind of texture. It's very lightweight. So I recommend that one. Love Shawnee. Okay. What about you? Now, I'm going to qualify what I'm about to say with, I have not used this product for three months. Right. Okay. Which when you're talking about aging products, let's be honest. Yeah. They require like 30, 60, 90 days of clinical testing and or any kind of testing.
43:31And I have not used it for the three months. But I do think that this is a unique product. It's the Angela Caglia Cell Forte Serum. It's a serum that contains peptides and exosomes. And that's the reason I wanted to bring it up because not a lot of facialists are into this territory and have doubled down on it as hard as Angela Caglia has, which I think is part of the reason for the price. It's$3.95 US and$5.68 in Canada. Now, we know that exosomes are expensive these days. And what the claim is about this Cell Forte serum is that it utilizes the world's first patented human-derived stem cell technology.
44:18And apparently it uses, it contains healing properties that were originally discovered through clinical studies to treat conditions such as dementia, Parkinson's, and arthritis. So I think it is somewhat surprising that a world's first patented form of stem cell technology has come from an esthetician. And we have talked about exosomes a bit on our podcast. We're going to have another episode soon coming out that goes pretty deep into it. But it's really all about using the body's own healing mechanisms to kind of heal itself. And there's plant derived and there's human derived, there's animal derived.
45:01And so this one is human derived, although it's said that it doesn't contain any human DNA. It's DNA free. So if that isn't, I find it confusing. But anyway, I will say a little goes a long way. You can probably use one drop on your whole face. So that helps to justify the price, I suppose. It's already won numerous awards. Future Beauty winner from Elle, Birdie, Rachel Zoe, Essence. They've all awarded this product already. It just came out last year. And again, it's all about exosomes, growth factors and peptides. So listen, if you can't handle retinol, you've had enough, but you're serious about wrinkles and pigmentation and all that, this might be one to reach for.
45:44I'm pretty sure, and don't quote me on this, but I just have Italian friends. I'm pretty sure it might be Angela Caglia. Oh, okay. Is that correct? My apologies. Angela Caglia. I believe, well, you're going to Italy. You're going to Italy in 2025. So now you know. Yes. Now I know where I'm going to find out. It's like lasagna. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, maybe I'm wrong. But G, L together. No, that is right. You're not going to say lasagna. Right. So a G in L or a G in another consonant, I do believe, is Angela Kallia. Yeah. Right. Lovely. So there you go. There you go, everyone. That's a hardcore one that's getting lots of buzz right now.
46:23So, Carleen, next we're going to talk about moisturizers. We've already talked about one famous Joanna. What about the other famous Joanna in the esthetician world? Of course. Well, we can't close out the episode without talking about Joanna Vargas. Yes. Of course. So the product I'm holding in my hot little hand is the Joanna Vargas Twilight Overnight Cream. It's$116 US dollars,$215 Canadian. And this is a hydrating night cream. And it's powered by Botanical Epidermal Growth Factor, EGF. So as I just mentioned, there's maybe not a lot of estheticians that are dabbling in this space of cutting edge technology.
47:05Right. But Joanna Vargas is one of them. And she has been on our show. She talked about her love of epidermal growth factors. I will never forget the way she described it is it's it's like a healing ingredient. So if you're getting lasers, if you are using retinol, if you're, you know, using AHAs, all of the things, it's like epidermal growth factor is just helping to heal. And so this product has EGF in it, and it also has plumping hyaluronic acid, antioxidants, vitamins, and it's all plant-based. I really like it when I use the Twilight Serum with it, which is like a milky serum. I actually really like that product.
47:47So when I use them together, I just find it's like one is milky and starts that hydration. It's really meant to be for fine lines, wrinkles, sagginess, give you bouncier looking skin, like a good all arounder. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Excellent. So my recommendation is for daytime. And this is with Sarah Chapman. She's been on our show. She's a British facialist. It's the full name of the product is Sarah Chapman London Skin Insurance SPF 50. It's$89 in the US,$110 in Canada. It's available at Space NK and her website. And really, this is a skin enhancer with SPF. And I fell in love with this product using it sort of in the summertime or like when I'm looking for lighter coverage, but I want to have SPF.
48:36I still find that you need to put the moisturizer on and then you put this on as your last step. Meghan Markle is a fan of this product. Victoria Beckham said about this product that on a day when I'm hanging around the house with the kids. I just like to use the Sarah Chapman Skin Insurance, SPF 50. It's basically tinted moisturizer with sunscreen, which is obviously so important. And you just put like two, three pumps all over your face. And a lot of people love that Supergoop product that's Superglow. I can't go anywhere near that. I feel like a disco ball. So this gives you like optic, they're like optically, it's like the pigments are giving you that optical blur and nice finish to your skin.
49:16But you're not you don't feel like you look sweaty. Yeah. It's a more refined take on that idea. And you probably could use it in the summer without a moisturizer if you use like a milky toner under it. That's what I do. Or a milky essence. I like that combo a lot. It's kind of like a cashmere-y texture, which I'm obsessed with. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's harder to find, but it's worth it. I need to shout out one more thing from an esthetician down the street. And these are cryo because estheticians getting into skincare is one thing, but estheticians getting into tools, totally different.
49:52Quickly shouting out Skin by V. She has these incredible Gua Sha cryo sticks. I love them. They're stainless steel, but they have rubberized ends. So they do not slip around in your hands. Pop them in the freezer. I'm obsessed with them for TMJ. And they're not globe shape. They're actually sculpted shape. And that is the difference because you can really sculpt with them and snatch with them. And for rosacea or sensitivity, grinding your teeth, which I tend to do, they're just wonderful. And she uses them in her legit treatments. And I wanted to shout those out. They're pricey though,$175. Yeah.
50:31I actually, I held on to the Georgia Louise. Right. The Georgia Louise cryo sticks. So they are the Globes and they are also rubber on one side. And I love those. Like, I can't believe how cold they stay. Yes. Even without a refrigerator. So I bring them whenever I travel to Deepak. Such a great idea. So hope all of you enjoyed this episode and our take on some of these lines. Like I said, we didn't have a chance to cover all of the ones that are out there. So we would love to hear from you. if you have a ride or die product or something really special from a brand that you love and have been using for years.
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