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Business Breakdowns: American Tower - Signals and Stability (EP.188)
Podcast Overview
- Title: Business Breakdowns
- Description: A podcast where hosts Matt Reustle and Zack Fuss dissect individual businesses, discussing their origins, models, financials, and competitive edges.
- Featured Episode: American Tower: Signals and Stability
- Guest: William Heard, Founder and CIO of Heard Capital Management
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Episode Summary In this episode, the hosts delve into American Tower (AMT), a prominent Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) in the communications sector. They explore the infrastructure behind AMT's business model, the dynamics of the telecommunications market, and the company's growth strategies.
Key Topics Discussed
- Understanding American Tower's Infrastructure
- American Tower owns physical assets (towers) and leases space to telecommunications providers (Verizon, AT&T, etc.).
- The infrastructure allows for wireless communication globally, with approximately 224,000 towers owned by AMT out of 5 million worldwide.
- Market Size and Share
- AMT has a significant footprint in the international market.
- The company holds about 5-6% market share, with expectations of growth due to rising data demand.
- Investment and Growth in Tower Infrastructure
- The telecommunications sector invests $40-50 billion annually in capital expenditures, impacting AMT's revenues.
- New tower constructions are anticipated to reach over 1 million in the coming years due to increased demand.
- Data Centers and Their Importance
- The episode emphasizes AMT's acquisition of data center operations, which now contribute roughly 8% of revenue.
- Data centers are prioritized for growth and present high operating margins (around 50%).
- Leasing Model and Revenue Structure
- Long-term leases (5-10 years) with rent escalations ensure predictable revenue streams.
- Minimal fluctuation in revenue, driven mainly by new tower builds and amendments.
- Management and Financial Strategy
- Strong emphasis on capital allocation and disciplined management, with a focus on maintaining financial flexibility.
- Historical resilience during economic downturns, indicating a well-managed balance sheet.
- Acquisitions and Growth Strategy
- AMT's growth strategy includes acquisitions, exemplified by the purchase of CoreSite and other tower companies.
- The management team's disciplined approach to acquisitions ensures strategic alignment with growth objectives.
- REITs and Market Dynamics
- As a REIT, AMT must pay out a significant portion of its income, impacting capital allocation strategies.
- The relationship between rising interest rates and REIT valuations discussed, highlighting market perceptions versus actual business performance.
- International Operations and Challenges
- Operating towers internationally presents unique challenges, including regulatory environments and land acquisition costs.
- Approximately 50% of AMT's revenue comes from outside the U.S.
- Risks and Competitive Landscape
- Risks include fluctuating carrier spending and potential consolidation in the telecom sector.
- However, the fundamental demand for mobile data ensures a robust outlook for AMT.
- Lessons from American Tower
- The importance of strong capital allocation and disciplined management.
- Understanding the disconnect between stock performance and business fundamentals is crucial for investors.
Key Takeaways
- Infrastructure as an Asset: AMT represents critical infrastructure for wireless communications, making it a vital player in the telecommunication ecosystem.
- Robust Revenue Streams: The company's leasing model provides stable and predictable income, supported by long-term contracts.
- Growth Opportunities: Rising data consumption and strategic acquisitions position AMT for continued growth in a fragmented market.
- Resilience: AMT's management team has demonstrated the ability to navigate market fluctuations effectively, maintaining financial health and flexibility.
Conclusion This episode provides a comprehensive analysis of American Tower's business model, the telecommunications landscape, and strategic insights into the company's operations and growth prospects. The discussion highlights the significance of infrastructure in modern communication and the investment potential of companies like AMT.
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2:46This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Welcome back to Business Breakdowns. This is Matt Russell and today we are breaking down the communications giant, the infrastructure asset that is American Tower. To break down American Tower, I'm joined by William Heard, founder and CIO of Heard Capital Management. William founded her capital in 2011. Today the firm manages 2 billion in assets, holds about 15 to 20 names and has a very specific criteria for investing in companies. We cover AMT from all angles here. The long life physical assets that underpin the business, the contracted and highly visible revenue stream that also has low churn.
3:32The secular growth story, not just in mobile communications, but in data usage broadly, and some of the microdynamics, like incremental margins, M &A, balance sheet management, and capital allocation. It's a wide range of conversation. Again, American Tower is a business. It's a financial instrument. It's representative so many things in the economy. So it was a very interesting conversation, and it was great to have William join me to break this one down. Now please enjoy. All right, William, excited to have you here to talk American Tower. This is an interesting business for a lot of different reasons.
4:12Interesting infrastructure asset. You have the dynamics of it being a reap and what that means is a proxy for fixed income or various other things just as a security itself. And it's just this business that's very key to what a lot of people use and do on a day day basis, but I don't think it's the household name by any means. So we'll get to all that. Maybe we could just start out with the highest level introduction to American tower, what they actually do, what they actually operate. However, you want to sketch that out. Yeah. We'll be here. American tower is the critical infrastructure that allows this call to happen.
4:50Anything wireless must hit a tower. At the end of the day, what they provide, think of large building on top be it sears towers there's multiple towers but that tall piece of steel on top is slightly American tower but the point is that is the infrastructure and if it's built up from the ground they own both pieces of land supporting that and also like the steel and then the carriers will add all types of components to make sure that they get the throughput of signal. So when I step back they own the physical tower structures they lease this space to the wireless service providers think Verizon, AT &T, and T -Mobile, and radio companies who then put their equipment onto those towers.
5:33You gave a good description of it is the tower that makes all of this possible in my area, people constantly complain, there's not a cell tower nearby. It's a problem. And it's one of these things where they're spread around the world, but how many of these exist? You mentioned it's probably American tower on top of some of the buildings that you see, which indicates there's some nice market share there. But can you sketch out that a little bit just in terms of any numbers around the size of this market? Yeah, so what's estimated? There's about five million towers all over the world the time 20 owners of that comprised about a million of those towers.
6:08So it's a how he fragmented like space American tower of all the public comps has the most with about 224 ,000 towers and and pretty significant like international footprint as well. In terms of market share, I guess back in the low math, they're probably like five to six percent. But like I said before, it's really fragment that we don't have hurt information. And sometimes, competently, you can check on the private side. You never know what someone owns as opposed to what is in use. With the towers themselves, you mentioned, there's the steel, sometimes they're on land. Do they actually own that steel?
6:47It's not like they're leasing out the equipment. It is something that they are owners of that Infrastructure that asset. Do they theoretically build them when they are coming into the market? The tower company typically owns the tower structure and the ground interests. It's called the simple or at least model. The carriers would own the equipment and All the other Call them widgets that go on to extend the signal to whatever cell phone carrier had. So, rise in 18T sprint, those would be the customers. They spend annually between 40 to 50 billion dollars a year in a cap ex. That's the revenue for American Tower.
7:26In this market, there's 5 million roughly around the world. Is that a growing number in a significant way? How often are new cell towers coming into the market, even just as it relates to the American tower story is a big piece of this story tower additions versus whether it's price growth or some type of other key to the growth story. Yes, so for American tower given their size and scale, if you step back think about the history, 1995 it was started. They merged with the company called Specterside that gave them more towers, but essentially at one point the teleco is like owned this asset, but during the spinouts that's what gave them the opportunity, but it is estimated that will probably get another million plus towers, a quote unquote, built in the next couple of years.
8:14The demand characteristics are showing way there. So that implies about a 20 % growth rate based on our current estimate of 5 million towers. This is all before AI, just to growth in data, the average person sends 90 text messages a day. I think there's 8 .4 trillion sent a year. We're not going back, I guess, as high as you think about this. Yeah, and with a tower, your point on the demand on data usage, how much is going through terms of waves? How does it work with a tower's capacity? If in my area, the usage picks up substantially, is that going to require another tower to be built? Are there ways to get around that?
8:56What are the dynamics that, how would that actually play out in practice in terms of the need for more towers to be built? So, yeah, so there's the tower itself and then all the things you can do to enhance that propagation, you can reinforce very simply like the land, make sure it can carry more weight, you can add back all capacity to that, you can add small cells, there's no substitute for like the core site itself, and having tons of them globally and well -positioned. And let's assume people are frustrated with the call dropping. A multitude of factors goes into that, but oftentimes it's the proximity to another tower and very simple.
9:35I can't the signal transfer. I was under the technical term called propagation and search rings and things like that. But I think at the end of the day, that it's essence, it's the ground, the height, how much weight it can support, then how many tenants per tower. You should think of us almost like a load factor can be supported. That makes sense. Yeah. And the site itself, I know there's some nimby, not in my backyard characteristics where people don't want the cell towers. But to the extent that there's 31 there, you want to do as much as you possibly can on that site. When it does come to the need for additional capacity, you gave some sense.
10:09The customer base here is the Verizon or an AT &T who is making the investment to upgrade the, whether it's capacity or something like 4G to 5G, these advancements. Are those dollars coming from American Tower? Are they coming from the customers? Is it some mix of both? Investments in the past year are coming from the carriers. Carrier, CapEx, Ben has historically been between 30 and 40 billion dollars a year. If you're a carrier, what you don't want is your customers to have like dropped calls or for there to be latency or slow speeds. That will cause ultimately like term, which is pretty bad because the carriers have subsidized all the handsets that are new and ultimately it's very, very hard to replace a customer once they're off a network.
10:58investments in capacity to put fall into three buckets adding a new tower altogether upgrading or replacing outdated equipment and adding equipment to an existing tower in order to strengthen its system. So I think of this fleece allows in the past along a lot of costs. It has getting bedded, a bit escalators if you will, our creeps simplest in nature and the catbacks there's a maintenance element and there's our growth element. So a new bill put in that growth category maintenance, American towers run radius in between one and two billion in cat backs, but the contracts are written such that a lot of those costs they can like pass along, and on the data center business can almost charge them for more uses as well, but to increase the throughput or signal strength, there are tons of things you can do to reinforce that signal, but to be without that space and just be in a dead space, that's why you see the consistency see the revenue growth than the ankle -marrange and continue to go higher as a result today.
11:58Yeah, it seems like the asset itself, where it is geographically, it's very hard to build similar to a railroad or something along those lines where getting a new one in a core area is incredibly difficult. Just on that data center point, it's interesting. Is it that American Tower actually owns these data centers and operates a similar model of leasing out the capacity within the data centers to the customer base? and how big of a segment is that? Yes, so let's precisely that. The Core Side acquisition was completed in December 2021. Currently, it's about 8 % of revenue, but it's expected to get to about 10%.
12:32And then it's been clear that data centers are American towers like highest priority in terms of catbacks of their multi -billion dollar budget, 34 % of it is specifically like allocated to data centers. In terms of growth, core site has grown about 12 % year over year. Last quarter, they had the highest amount of sign leases going record. That's pretty important because at the end of the day, the demand strength has been driven both by GNI and the fact that supplies can strain giving them ultimately a good amount of pricing power. But the scarcity of those assets gives them about 50 % operating margins.
13:14AMT acquired 24 data centers and what these data centers support is a co -location services from American Tower for both the physical infrastructure and the 5G build out. So it's the infrastructure plus applications which again is a complement to an existing business that American Tower already has. And you touched a little bit on the history there. One of my natural questions when and you mentioned the customer base was, why don't the carriers just own these assets themselves? It seems like that would make sense. I imagine spin -offs likely related to some of the AT &T stuff, but some more of the origin story in terms of why this piece of the value chain is isolated on its own.
13:58Can you get into that? How far back does this one go? And the sector as a whole, does it have this long tenure? Is there something unique about what created it as an isolated sector within the mobile value chain? So I think back in the day, the reason they spun them out was themselves were evolving. So it was deemed a non -core asset. They were in student streaming as opposed to running these assets themselves. I'm sure some of them have regrets because those tell folks are pretty mature business. It's consolidated as opposed to American tower like the other direction. I think we hit on with the argument, but the tower company's art critical infrastructure as opposed to the fact that you attack on any one of the three large carriers that's probably going to get through.
14:39are other use cases that are embedded in the device that you're paying for and really add data. Yeah, I think that they're so often these businesses where something that was once deemed a non -core asset eventually turns into a crown jewel somewhere else or isolated on its own. And sometimes assets themselves, when they sit outside of a portfolio, can be viewed and valued more independently and appropriately. So certainly makes sense. You touch a little bit on the leasing model, the structure of how they set up customer contracts. Can you get into that just a little bit more? Is there anything that's usage -based?
15:13Is it simply flat fee? You mentioned escalators. How would you outline the contracted revenue base and just how much fluctuation there actually is year to year? Yeah, so very little fluctuation. So there's definitely new tower build brushes those that are like amended. So if we assume the existing power it probably has the following characteristics. Along -term lease, so five to 10 years to begin with rent escalators as well and then also options that ultimately lead to 20 to 30 year lease for these towers. It's a past due model so the operating leverage is there and like I said the core what American top provides is the critical infrastructure but they also have like a development business as well and given that their global gets interesting 50 % of their revenue growth comes outside of the U .S.
16:04You decompose it in more I think they have 42 ,000 dollars in the States. They have 180 outside of the United States but it's called American Tyler. So if you think about the growth in industry and data usage and all the use cases those investments should bear fruit and they're extremely disciplined which I also think what separates them from some of the other folks as well. It doesn't feel as an investor that this man routine does anything by accident. The free cash flow went up during the feds rise in rates. The spending while it wasn't as historically even, it's not like it went to zero and then came back.
16:45I think that Evan Flows just came down to win is the new iPhone whatever gonna come out as opposed to if and when there is demand by the line network. So the activity and sort of the amendment cycle I would argue I is a leading indicator, but also like the scarcity of the asset shouldn't be for God. And that's what drives that value. And it's interesting, I think, with this model, when you have that visibility oftentimes, this natural opportunity to add leverage to the business, easy to lend against high visibility of cash flows. I know in the financial crisis, it actually got into a choppy situation where it was pressured.
17:25They since come out of that. But when you talk about the management team today, how long have they been around? Has there been big shifts in terms of mandates and management teams in terms of how they strategically run the business? Let's manage the team has grown up. A lot of them were there in different seats early in their careers. But I think the capital discipline, being to handle financial flexibility, being clear about what the priorities are of the growth, paying down the data center, acquisition, all of those I think were forethought and preserving their financial flexibility because they believe that ultimately they would succeed.
18:02And their balance sheet management, I think 11 % of their debt is floating right as opposed to some of the other tower companies that numbers like north to 20%. So that financial flexibility and they're giving that their reap, they have to pay a dividend as well. That all makes sense. Yep. There's something to be said for management teams that tend to be reactionary, which if you're very cyclical business can be understandable versus those that can see through cycles, even during downturns, they're consistently spending on growth opportunities for the future to your point because you know what demand is lying out there and it's a matter of when not if.
18:39Has M &A been a part of their DNA for a long period of time when it comes to towers themselves? You mentioned it's very fragmented industry, so I would imagine you have the ability to acquired towers as well from other companies or just actual companies themselves. Is that something that's part of their playbook? Yeah, so acquisitions have been a meaningful part of A &T's growth story. It's what I alluded to earlier as a risk management, making sure that at all times, they had the financial flexibility to both grow by acquisition, fund the dividend, and acquire portfolios globally. And they most recently acquired Selexis in 2021, which gave them additional 30 ,000 hours in Germany, Spain, and throughout South America.
19:25And then most recently, they made the data center acquisition core site, which we discussed prior. When it comes to again, very impressive margin profile fits this really interesting asset when it comes to the visibility into that, But the potential swings that you could have would be from investments, whether it be M &A or organic growth. How much fluctuation do you see year to year? Sounds like the margin stays the same, but we're going to think about, but after a cat backs, free cash flow number and how much that might swing year to year, do you see drastic moves when they go through investment periods?
20:02What does that look like? Not really. Again, this is a business that has the end -grown margins of 97%. So, yeah, free cash flows are constant because they're a reap. They have to pay out good amount of that in the form of like a dividend. So, it's not volatile. The price action has been volatile, but I would argue that was more driven by rates and that inverse relationship between REITs and interest rates going up. But if you go back and look at the free cash flow, it was going up. Martin never really would go down or like to tear it. But if you look at some of the competitors, there's one down.
20:38Billings growth was negative. American dollars is not, their Billings growth is not negative. Pretty healthy business. I would argue with all whether I said it with strong, induced demand characteristics embedded. Yeah, and you mentioned a bit about the unique dynamics of a REIT required to pay out 90 % of income of some sort in terms of how they determine that. So when you key in on that number, or it sounds like that has been steady growth. There's been consistency there because it does feel like they have a lot of potential avenues for growth, which in a traditional business, you would see much more fluctuations, you would make the case for, well, we should be reinvesting these dollars back into the business because there's high return growth opportunities, but here they're able to manage or balance that growth while still maintaining that distribution.
21:30Yeah, it's because of the contractual nature of that revenue stream, the scarcity value and their scale. Again, like this manager team is extremely clear, there's a slide that sort of breaks down the capital priorities and as an investor, that's a great thing to know. So you can retest in a real time and make sure that it makes sense. You can look back and a big part of our process is what we call the say to do ratio. It's do management teams say and do the things that make sense giving the strategy to the outline of American tolerance that question because they break it down to like internally what are the competing needs for the business and how they're thinking about the future as opposed to just some random number being thrown out on ironing's call.
22:11So I'm curious on that slide, what do they outline in terms of the priorities and whether they rank it or not, what does that look like? Yeah, so the discretionary bucket is the biggest followed by redevelopment and ground improvements to existing structures, ground lease purchases, and startup costs. They delivered, given the sale of an asset they once owned, I expect them to do a creative acquisition, just given their existing scale, and they've been consistent deployment towards both acquisitions and share repurchases and they paid to do it. So the bottom line is that the great allocators of capital to level set on the REIT dividend versus the free cash flow number.
23:02REITs are unique vehicles. So can you just walk through when you reference the dividend versus when you're referencing free cash flow a little bit about those two measurements and just how you're coming to them. Yeah, so I'll separate the two just because I think it's easy, they're related, but to your point, they're not the same. In terms of dividend for 2024, it's been flat, and they've been very clear about why, and that was to prioritize their deleverging effort. That optionality, given like all the stuff going on in Mac, where I think will be appreciated. But if you look back, the dividend has grown, double digits, every single year for the past 10 years.
23:41On the free cash flow side, AMT has about 30 % free cash flow margins, and they generate three to four billion of free cash flow year. I believe free cash flow margins will continue to expand as operating leverage due to some of the acquisitions and so business mix skewering toward like data centers and that 50 % margin they have today, that business mix should allow for those margins to continue to expand. So pretty excited about the free cash build build the consistency of that over time I think it's pretty impressive given their skill and I think you've hit on it a bit in terms of what reads represent as a security in the market They are used oftentimes as a proxy for fixed income.
24:30How do you just think about that dynamic when it comes to owning the name you try to own the business sometimes the business can get disconnected from the stock. To take that into consideration when it comes to things like rate cuts or what's moving from a yield perspective and knowing that that's going to have some impact on the security itself. I think like the security versus cash flows are two different distinctions and that's what we try to do as investors. Price action is an indicative of like or has not been historically indicative of any deterrent in their business model to or put their capital allocation priorities at risk.
25:07So I think the reach structure just allows us to participate from a total return standpoint. The reach grown consistently as well. And when they had to pause that period of time, what they said, we're gonna hold back. It got made sense. It was a ton of uncertainty. It wasn't because of over leverage or anything like that. You mentioned total return considerations here, goffin times. For a long period of time, the dividend yield, it was a thing, but you didn't really factor it in. It was, what is the share price going to do, whether it's multiple expansion earnings growth, and you thought about return without factoring in the dividends.
25:43Here, it's such a key piece of it. I think it yields just under 3 % as of this recording. So, how do you factor that piece of it in when you're thinking about hitting whatever your return hurdle is, and knowing where that yield is going to go, versus what you're going to get from price appreciation. Yes, so free cash flow. We talked about they have three to four billion as of today. I would argue the dividend is safe. There's no risk. I don't mind the discussion around how fast they should grow it because again, I think they're good capital allocators. So if they're making acquisitions such as Corsite or a teleportfolio somewhere in Africa, do you have to trust given their track record that it will make sense and be elected credo?
26:22What we want is profitable growth, not just growth for the sake of growth. And we want to understand what are the priorities for my capital allocation side so we can make our own assessment about whether that makes sense. The dividend, I think it just makes the story like it would be better to be honest. So that's all I've thought about it. I've never really been like, rates are going up, you shouldn't own it because of the dividend. That's just not how I think about businesses. is protecting when you have a long term view, and particularly when you can use disconnects or those dislocations to add to it.
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26:55Makes sense. And on the international growth story, it sounds like the right for opportunity. Is there anything different about operating towers internationally versus in the US when it comes to margins, competition, fragmentation of the customer base, anything else that's important to note? Yeah, all the above. It's pretty hard. You and I decided to start a tower company. It'd be incredibly hard. It's going to be even harder in any emerging market. And it's going to be hard because in some instances, the rule of law is just different. The carrier composition is different in emerging markets. The capitalization of those carriers is also different as opposed to the US.
27:38It still would be very hard for us to go to AT &T or some carrier and make the argument that they should at least tower from us as a postal American tower, but every variable from land to site development costs, regulatory like regime, those would all be factors that American tower would take into consideration before a new build. What does it cost to build a tower? Is there a rough rule of thumb? Yeah, so it's anywhere in the US that numbers between 400 and 500 ,000 land America at 70 to 100 after it's 90 to 150 Asia 20 to 30 and Europe 130 to 230 thousand dollars. Is the delta there just driven by labor costs?
28:25I assume steel is the same. Is there anything else that would make the difference? Yeah, I think the bearish entry each country are different. The revenue profile is different as well. And the take rate is different as well. So it really comes on with this and explode again. 50 % of their revenue is outside of the US and they still generate a ton of free cash. So you have to assume that these are good acquisition. These are great assets. They have good location and that there's domain characteristics that are sustainable, healthy. I think you mentioned there's a secular story here which is playing out.
29:04have something that's never gonna go away when it comes to mobile or if it does. It's a while from now. And they're getting into some other secular stories like data centers. Are there cyclical aspects to this business? I know it was under a lot of pressure in that financial crisis time period. But beyond that, have there been periods of time where it's exposed to some deterioration in the end market and the customer base and something else? The carriers, it adds in flows, but the demand is constant. So there's oftentimes, where you see activity, beginning of the year, pretty consistent, increasing a pause, and then back half of the year, you know, there's the catch up.
29:48Can you get into a little bit more detail about what drives the swings in carrier spending? I get some sense that leases are locked in. So is it only related to net new equipment or upgraded capacity? Can you just paint the picture in terms of what would cause that volatility and carry or spend that would impact the revenue stream for American Tower? So your characterization is correct. Leases are typically locked and swings have traditionally been related to net new ads. unless of course someone completely like turns off a system. AT &T has approached like the 5G investment cycle with a pretty long term perspective viewing as a decade long journey.
30:34So again these aren't just three months and something new happens. But the first peak is typically focused on coverage and involves carriers rapidly deploying mid -band spectrum to expand their 5G footprint. This phase peaked in 2022 with the carriers investing seen about, I think it was between 40 and 45 billion, a significant increase from the year prior during the 4G rollout, and that Delta for 3G or that number for 3G rollout was about 25 billion. So that second peak oftentimes will center on capacity and that's driven by the call network densification efforts as data demands like continue to grow.
31:18So there are lessons earned from the rollouts in the past from 3G, 4G, and 5G that have carried over. In terms of 2024 spin, we have seen signs of re -exceleration by the carrier. Application volumes are about 70 % in the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter of the previous year. And I expect that number to continue to accelerate. I think some of it is rumors around new cell phones coming out. Some of it is just a general health of the economy as well. I think if you have a large budget, there's a lot of pre -work done before you spend the money. And I think folks have gotten comfortable just waiting until they absolutely have to and they do a ton of work up front.
32:04So I believe at the end of the day, none of the carriers can afford not to spend because the frustration would be at the consumer level. If there's a ton of drop calls, text messages don't get through slower internet speeds. And then if you look at the economics of customer acquisition for the carriers as opposed to the revenue model of the towers, it's a night and day. Because the carriers are going to subsidize the cost of that handset and that's what you see oftentimes in the commercial will give you 800 bucks for you to switch. If you switch, they want to know that you're going to stay on their network.
32:41But either way it's all good for like the tower companies, which is why ultimately I would say that the spending might be uneven, but it doesn't go away. That unevenness, just so I understand correctly, they're essentially leasing out the space on the tower, which I would imagine is steady in terms of how much they want to lease. Do they actually fluctuate in terms of how much capacity they're taking from the tower, or the swings coming from something else related to additional capacity or certain things that are more variable in nature. So, swing themselves, I think are driven by, like I said, it could be a new cell phone coming out, it could be the decision, top of the house, at the large carriers.
33:25Do they want to be invested in media? That's, of course, the towers at that time. But I think, again, all things being equal, there is that catch -up trade or that catch -up spin that occurs. and what the tower companies can do is always redevelop their assets, strengthen it, you can make a taller, you can add more equipment, but those changes are amendments for which they're going to charge the carrier. So it's a pretty robust model. Change orders aren't bad. Consolidation isn't necessarily bad for lack of space. Is there revenue base? I would assume it's got some pretty heavy concentration in terms of the customers.
34:04Given it's 50 % international, that definitely diversifies it. It's not like it's just all the rise in an AT &T. But are there any customers that represent north of 10 % revenue or something where they can truly impact the outcome of this business on some type of annual basis? This certainly have north to 10 % customers and it's top three to four carriers in the country. That would be how you think about it. But the top three carriers are about 40 % of revenue today. Okay. Yeah. So it's trunk. It's sizable. And do they in terms of the negotiating power, if American tower has a tower, there's not really much you can do if you're a carrier to get around that.
34:43At the same time, they represent a large percentage of the revenue base, which some form of leverage in terms of the negotiation. So over time, has there been any swings in terms of industry power in the value chain, anything that's unique about who's capturing the majority of the value or seeing some swings in terms of where it's tilted one direction or the other. No, but those back -to -scarcey value goes back to the potential for customer complaints of drive calls, texts not getting through latency, non -nose speed in a rural area. They don't want to hear that because they've subsidized your hands at least so significantly.
35:19To get you to switch, They need you to stay so that like time value is a subscriber for a carrier. It's a metric that's pretty important. But I think the offset is just to be blunt is they're like, yeah, we have a third year lease. So I don't think the skew or power has ever transferred to Benfield like the carriers because the tower company can be like, imagine a world without this. And the towers themselves, I imagine they're extremely long life assets, is there a point where they're taking out a service or they become obsolete? How long can these towers last? So towers can last. They can outlast at least.
36:02You can do things like redevelop it, reinforce it, reinforce how much weight can be supported at the ground level. But these are pretty long life assets. I'd have to go back and look at the appreciation, but the maintenance cap exes so little that again, if they're investing, they know that the demand is there. It's oftentimes either another tenant for another 30 years, or it's a defensive measure by another carrier to make sure that they have the space they need to compete competitively. I remember when we had cricket and all those other, and you saw all of these auditions. Again, the solidation would have served bad for them.
36:43It's just that power to any of it, never really will shift it. And I think there was a thought at that time, if we have more subscribers, we'll be able to make the case of the carrier and the power company. And so like, nope, not gonna happen. There really aren't substitutes. You mentioned consolidation, but at the end of the day, you wanna carry an offer, mobile service, in certain locations. You just basically have to work through the tower provider there. There's not a natural substitute, is that right? Yes, absolutely. There is no substitution effect, I sort of like my belief, as real like this business.
37:16And we were talking a little bit before we were recording about something like a starlink, which represents an alternative in terms of internet capacity, particularly in some remote locations. How does that affect the tower businesses, if at all, is that something that could eventually be a substitute? I don't think so. I mean, when I think about starlink can other satellite providers. There could be some competition on fringes like in rural areas, but in my opinion they're not like we don't put the towers at a structural disadvantage. We're not gonna wake up one day and be like, America tower goes to zero because it's Starlink has more birds.
37:51And then also when you think about it, the towers versus satellites. Speed, capacity, dynamics, if the tower is just 90 days. And then lastly, I think it will compliment a network, but it'll never be a direct substitution, cause obsolescence at all. What would be the risks that stand out to you for a business like American Tower? We've owned it for a long time, I'm not sure, but I think when you retest the thesis, it comes back often times to like business -ness, effects, then hedging, and currency, the rumor of carrier consolidation of that quote unquote pause. But when you look at the activity, And when you look at secular demand, this is before all of AI, but now like an AI world like can you imagine a world in which you and I consume less data?
38:40It's just some like week. So I don't think the divins at risk, but people do the basic math about the dividend yield and leverage the side. In my opinion, there's no risk. So I could dividend those are the big risks. Yeah, it seems like at least historically the issues when there have been issues are are almost more capital structure related when it comes to leverage ability to meet that debt and being exposed to some swings more so than any opposite lessons by all means. Yeah, I don't think they're the large, lowly competitive for out there. As we close out conversations, we always try to key in on lessons that you could take from these businesses and maybe apply elsewhere.
39:17What stands out from AMT is very much a unique asset. So it's hard to find assets like this. It sits in a unique type of security in being a REIT, but what stands out to you in terms of being cross applicable to other investment opportunities? So Phil, something that we invest, we look for companies that are similar to that of American tower. Substantial, low grade capital allocation, strong say to do ratio, a good balance sheet, and a management team that has aligned the strategy with all the levers that are within their control, so it drives value for us. I think in the case of the towers, people just confuse the interest rate relationship and assume that something's wrong.
40:02I said that a lot of the time price action is just that price action. The fundamentals, I believe, and all the reasons to all of them still are intact. So yeah, the lessons learned is you need good capital, cash and match with the strategy, unit -based economic modables that can be observed and the ability to retest them and understand what are the domain characteristics and what's uphaz versus the soda. You got to be able to think through that because oftentimes I would argue in the case of this business, we're just not going back in using less data and that's what's going to drive all that activity.
40:38Yeah, no, it's an interesting one for that exact reason where the price performance can get disconnected from the actual underlying business for all the reasons you mentioned, which makes it a tricky one and makes it have to be more disciplined for sure. From the investment side also, from the management team side, because it's easy to react to higher shares or trading. Well, this has been a pleasure. It's an enjoyable one to dive into because it is a unique asset and everything I just mentioned. Thank you for sharing the knowledge. William, appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for opportunity. To find more episodes of breakdowns ranging from Costco to Visa to Moderna, or to sign up for our weekly summary, check out joincolossus .com.
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Show Notes
(00:00:00) Welcome to Business Breakdowns
(00:03:42) Understanding American Tower's Infrastructure
(00:04:41) Market Size and Share
(00:05:44) Ownership and Construction of Towers
(00:06:51) Investment and Growth in Tower Infrastructure
(00:11:32) Data Centers and Their Importance
(00:14:34) Leasing Model and Revenue Structure
(00:17:02) Management and Financial Strategy
(00:18:42) Acquisitions and Growth Strategy
(00:21:39) Management Teams and Strategic Priorities
(00:22:35) Capital Allocation and Dividend Strategy
(00:24:09) REITs and Market Dynamics
(00:26:49) International Operations and Challenges
(00:29:19) Carrier Spending and Revenue Streams
(00:37:57) Risks and Competitive Landscape
(00:38:58) Lessons from Breaking Down American Tower




