Building An Extraordinary Life Through FI

34:00But I know you've both traveled for five plus years now and it isn't, it's about who you're with. It's about establishing a life. And what's so interesting is you're actually looking to slow down on your travel from conversations we've had. I'd love to know the interplay of like how you consider the place versus, Hey, we're settling into a routine that we're thrilled with. We're settling into a life that we're happy with that. So I guess that's my question is I know that it's a subtle distinction, but it's all well and good. And you guys aren't doing this. Of course, this is not the type of travel you do, but a lot of people travel and check boxes.

34:40And I've always just had a visceral recoil when, when that happens it's like they're just taking pictures or checking a box and like that doesn't seem like like a wonderful way to do it so for me it's never been about the place like i'll even go to cities now and not even i i do love museums i'm i'm i don't want to seem like a luddite by any means but i don't need to see the 75th temple that i've ever seen or the 700th temple or the I want to experience local life. I want to really be there. And I'd love for you guys to talk about that for a minute of how you think about travel versus settling down versus being somewhere for some period of time.

35:23There's several concepts. One is fast travel versus slow travel. And your average person has one week of holiday. And they try and go to a new country and see everything of the country in one week and it's exhausting and we've realized i don't really like the travel part of travel i like the being part of travel i want to be there and exist there so we try and travel less and you stay in a place for two months or three months and you actually exist in the culture you live the way the people do you experience stuff we sign up to a gym we do all of those things and then we do one or two touristy things sometimes sometimes sometimes we like i really don't want to do touristy things i just want to live and i just want to have an incredible time we were in brazil for three months last year we stayed near the beach and there's a cafe it's in a fort and you sit overlooking copacabana beach with your breakfast and your coffee it's like one of my favorite places to be but I didn't go up Sugarloaf Mountain shock horror I didn't do the touristy thing the place is famous for I just existed and it was a wonderful time and it was lovely and the reason we have started to think we want to find somewhere to hang out slow down is because the travel is exhausting the being there is great there is a massive cognitive load to changing locations every time you move to a new place you have to refigure out washing drying food health gym everything where to buy stuff like that takes so much of your brain power you've got nothing left to give for the first week you get there and talk about millionaire's goals i really want a washing machine I really want a tumble dryer not owned one of those for six years now and I would quite like to have my laundry done at home and not have it destroyed by laundromats and all the other places but that's how we've started to think about like slowing down and doing it and why we have the other cognitive load is not just when you arrive in a place but the constant planning of where am I sleeping not quite tonight but depending how far ahead we've planned is a constant like okay where are we traveling and do we have flights do I need a visa or what are the entry requirements and that constant planning ahead of course it's a really cool life and that's one of the costs to it of the planning that you have to do in two weeks time we have nowhere to live oh sorry Kim I'd put that out of my mind in two weeks time we literally have nowhere to stay and we need to book somewhere and I need to find the time to do that and it takes time to research like where do you want to stay where do you want to live what area of town and I think we're excited to invest more of our time and energy into the projects that we're doing you know with the work that we do to try and help people we'll have more energy and capacity to do that if we're not spending our time figuring out life but also I think what's important is life is about experimentation and it doesn't mean that because you for this season of your life this upcoming one that you've decided to settle down that it renders everything else moot that it was a bad decision to travel for six years just because in this season of life i've had the most amazing of course you have i did almost want to had a little bit of vom came up in my mouth when you said settle down as well something in me just reacts to that it's like i don't know like that's a like it's a bad thing maybe I need to I need to work on that Brad yeah I have a workshop for you you're absolutely right we've had an amazing six years I've traveled to 50 plus countries I've experimented and had a wonderful time and then you do start to know like oh my values match the values of these countries more than the other countries and I definitely can't force a country to change its values We have had long conversations where we've thought about trying, haven't we?

39:43Yes. We're not going to change the whole way that a country figures out their traffic system, much as we have debated for countless hours. I feel like I could improve it, though. Put me as mayor. I could sort this out. I know I could improve it. I know we could make it. And also, that's not my mission. I'm helping people with finances. I don't need to fix the traffic in Bogota. All right. So our next question is from Jeremy. So the FIRE movement has proven through real life examples that there's more ways than one to achieve FIRE, to reach our FIRE number. What advice, whether general or specific, would you have for those of us who have full-time jobs, but we want to build up a second stream of income?

40:26Maybe it's starting a business. Maybe it's pursuing something completely unrelated to our primary job, but we're interested in it. What advice would you have? And again, specific or general. Thank you. I get excited about this question because sometimes people see it as binary. One of Katie's favorite sayings is it's not binary. Nothing is binary. It's not have a full-time job or do entrepreneurship. You can run mini experiments. And I love the term mini experiment. If you want to find out how to make money doing something, go volunteer for someone who's really successful and makes money doing it and see how they do it.

41:01Give them your time, learn, experiment. you want to volunteer doing that that's a great way to do it the second way is to test your ideas quite often people like oh I wonder if I could launch this business why don't we try let's build a free website create an offer put it in front of an audience ask them to buy and see what happens if they buy you have a business if they don't you have feedback but there's so many tests we could do, what it's talking about is boiling it down to what's the simplest next step so that I can experiment and make it happen. So if you have a full-time job and you want to experiment, I really think you should as quickly as possible and do these mini experiments where you can learn fast.

41:46And entrepreneurship as it was traditionally designed is fail slow and fail expensively. If you're going to fail, you're going to have written a business plan, borrowed a lot of money, put two years of your life into it, and then it's gone wrong. That's a huge risk. And that is failing slowly and expensively. Our expression is, if you're going to fail, fail fast and fail cheap. Like if it's going to go wrong, let's get it done quickly and without the pain. So let's run a mini experiment, do it within a month, ask a bunch of people to buy without investing our money, and then we'll know quickly whether those ideas work.

42:27And I would say if you've got a stable job, that is a wonderful thing to have because it frees you to be able to run these experiments as quickly as possible. So I would say let's fail fast, let's fail cheap, let's test all of your ideas as quickly as possible because one of your ideas might be good. I know a lot of my ideas are terrible and I have to test them quickly and the cool thing about the word experiment is it gives you permission to fail in inverted commas because oh it was an experiment it didn't work out and I think that protects your ego a little bit as well doesn't it not like I'm launching this business and oh what are people going to think if it goes wrong well who cares but also it was an experiment oh it didn't work out okay I'll do something else yeah don't tell anyone just do a test in your spare time see what happens if the test goes well then you can tell people afterwards jeremy's smiling that's a good sign yes yeah i guess for me it's all about about learning and testing like they're saying so i had a series of little side businesses that i started over a number of years and frankly most of them by any financial perspective failed but i don't look at that as wasted time i look at it as I learned valuable lessons and skills, frankly, but lessons, most importantly, each and every time.

43:50And I was able to, it sounds cliche at this point, but fail forward, right? Like it's a corporate speak, but I failed forward on each of these. And I learned a little bit more about myself every single time. And I think like Alan's alluding to having, having a full-time job enables you to realize it's not a burn the boat situation, right? Like I think for me, that was something at the time, I had two young daughters. I was not just going to up and quit my safe accounting job on a whim, on an idea. I wanted to, for my own brain and my own self, I wanted to prove this out. And I was able to get a small amount of success, a la Alan, and build it, test it.

44:34Can I work this? And I'm doing this on an hour a day. Okay, well, what would that look like if I now had eight hours a day. That's a totally different ballgame. And then I did have immense amount of belief in myself, but I really needed to test it first. And I was able to do that. And then you do get to a point where you are going to have to make a decision. And I think following the path to fi gives us more freedom and flexibility to do that because you're not riding on the edge of personal finance at all times. For most people, if they lost their job or their income in whatever way went away, their lives would crumble within the next 90 days.

45:14But that clearly is not the people in this room. That's not the people listening to this podcast. We are all, no matter where we are, and that doesn't mean that we're all wildly wealthy. We're all taking steps to make our lives better. That's the most important thing. It doesn't matter if you are $300 ,000 in debt now, or you have$300 ,000 sitting in a checking account. You are making steps to make your life better. And I think part of it is also having the fun and opportunity to build something on the side. It's not a prerequisite. I would say the vast majority of people in the fight community don't necessarily have a side hustle, but what do you think?

45:51If you have a great paying job that you enjoy, you don't need a side hustle. Like it's actually will probably be a step backwards because then you're putting a bunch of time into something else and you could just like enjoy your job, earn a lot of money and spend time with your kids. you don't need to but if you don't have a great job that's well paid then maybe you want to and actually sometimes you can find something in the side hustle that brings you to life gives you something that you're missing elsewhere that can be incredible but it's also paying the price was an exercise that that you guys did this weekend and i think of that both in terms of what you willing to pay for whatever this is, but also it enables you to think about what do I have in reserve to pay for this?

46:39So in my instance, I had some time. It wasn't a ton of time, but I was willing to put in 10 or 20 hours a week on testing this, on learning, on growing. And if I looked just on a year by year basis while these things were failing, it looked like a failure but again i was willing to pay that price to learn and it enabled me frankly and and of course there's some survivorship bias on this that like it did turn out okay but i would like to believe that even if it wasn't choose fi or travel miles 101 that i would have kept testing and iterating until i found something that was successful and that was a fun process i mean of course there were times where where it was frustrating but that that's part of life nothing good in life comes easy.

47:25It just doesn't. That's part of the fun is overcoming something that's really, really difficult and feeling damn good about yourself in the process. The exercise Brad was referring to is the one that starts with you can have anything in life you want if you're willing to pay the price up front and in full. And when we're talking about price, most people's minds jump to money. There are actually five main different currencies you can pay with you can pay with time you can pay with energy you can pay with an emotional cost you have to deal with failure deal with awkward conversations deal with all those things you can pay with the opportunity cost doing this one thing means you can't do the other thing and the fifth is money the one i forgot is the one that everyone thinks of the fifth is money and those are the five ways you can pay for it but you can have anything you want in life if you're willing to pay the cost cost of a side hustle normally time and energy and willing to fail all right martin's up next i'm surrounded by uh brits on all sides here so let's hear mine so extraordinary people come in all shapes and sizes they come from all over the world and they come from a variety of backgrounds but what traits beliefs or mindset do all extraordinary people have in common?

48:46So for my list, I would say number one, they believe they can do it. So the commonality amongst people is they have at least enough belief to have a go and to experiment. There's so many people that are afraid of things, they don't do things, they just sit at home. And there's this concept of not watching the game, but getting in the game. Stop watching Netflix, stop watching other people play the sport and play the sport yourself and extraordinary people do things they make things happen and they do things and we've actually come to believe katie and i that it's a rare skill that someone can make things happen that might seem strange but how many people do you know that don't organize things they just lament there's no community in their neighborhood they don't make things happen they don't start the podcast build the movement organize the community make the breakfast and invite everyone over there's actually very few people who just do it create it and invite people that sounds really strange but I don't think there's actually a very high bar to extraordinary it's a little bit of self-belief the ability to do things taking action and learning every time.

50:05I think there's actually a very low bar to extraordinary in the world. And the word extraordinary, it's kind of hard, isn't it? Because you're not going to declare yourself to be extraordinary. Well, perhaps that's a British thing. Do you American people declare yourselves to be extraordinary? All the time. Nice. Do that more, please. And I think I just want to take that pressure off. like what does extraordinary even mean to me it's living life on your terms doing what you want to do and Alan listed a bunch of things of making stuff happen and that's great but if you don't want to and you want to do a solo project and sit on your own and master something I don't know whatever it is that is such a broad definition for extraordinary extraordinary to me that what conjures or what did before I thought about this a bit more was somehow impressive like it's you don't have to be impressive you just have to do you and that's had so many different flavors so I guess tying back in with what Alan said is like the confidence to do that or the the willingness to be different yeah I think it's uh well there's so many things but open to new situations I think to me is clearly a major aspect but taking control like Alan's saying it's a rare skill that people step up but that doesn't mean that people can't do it we're not saying that at all I think it's just that people don't feel they have agency my girls have talked they play Minecraft and things like that so they've illuminated me on the the term NPC which is a non-player character so it's like the 90 % of the characters that are just kind of like moving around and doing nothing and walking in circles.

51:54And I think people in the FI community are the antithesis of these NPCs. And I think that's what makes a lot of us extraordinary is we grab life by the collar and we go out there and we do things and we try and we learn and we don't have, I think one of the biggest things, and this ties into the workshop that Alan and Katie gave today, which is it's easy to get bogged down in a fixed mindset of I am such and such, even positive things, I am smart, I am whatever, many of them are going to be negative, but even positive ones, it locks you into a little box. And I think what makes an extraordinary life is leaning into the opposite, which is the growth mindset of I can learn anything.

52:40I can do anything. I'm letting my interests lead me. And they might take you places that you couldn't have imagined. I don't know if any of us, I don't want to speak for you to, but I couldn't have imagined sitting here literally 10 years ago when I was, no joke, three miles up the road in an office park doing corporate state tax returns. This would have been utterly inconceivable, but I leaned into serendipity. I leaned into situations. I said, yes, I learned, I tried, I failed at a lot of things, but it turned out okay. And again, even if it didn't turn into this, I suspect it would have turned into something really interesting.

53:16and I think that's just a better way to go through life so I think another thing that makes people extraordinary and both being interested and interesting I think that's one you unfortunately often you have conversations with people or what purports to be a conversation it's just someone like spewing words at you and I'm always struck by like just slow down like maybe ask me a question be interested and their lives would be enriched and i don't mean to to castigate other people necessarily but because i want this to be positive but i try to take an interest in other people even if it's somebody that i i might on the face of it not know if i have anything in common with and sometimes that's the best thing is having nothing in common and learning just asking questions diving deep that's why we find value at five community events and this is not limited to the fi community i don't want don't want anybody to think like i'm saying we we are special let's be clear but but not that we're the only special people but i think these are the things that build an extraordinary life the quickest way to be interesting is to be interested oh the number of times that i've had conversations with people like and they have spoken at me at length here this weekend.

54:35No, no, no, not here. Nice caveat. And then at the end, they go, oh, wow, you're really interesting. And it's like, you don't know anything about me. Yeah. All right. So our next question is from Matt. For the teen audience and second generation Phi, Brad, we both have teenagers, one already preparing to depart high school and planning to attend college. How did your own household and your oldest daughter sort out what is to follow after high school as far as career and education? Alan, Katie, Brad, what would you suggest as potential next steps for high school seniors and juniors who are increasingly concerned that they don't yet have a vision or plan for after high school, including the big question, college or not?

55:23Thank you. Okay. So I'll take the first half of that while we buy time for really the essential part at the on there. So, and that's, I'm not sure if we're going to be able to answer that today. Okay. So in our house, Matt, that's, it's an interesting one. And, and I think this is also an area where the practical realities of life sometimes intersect with the phi utopia and the perfect world scenario isn't always the path taken. So for years on this show, I've talked about all the different phi hacks that there can be for college, especially even in the state of Virginia. We have a what's known as a guaranteed admissions program where you can go to a community college right out of high school, go to a two year community college, get an associate's degree.

56:15And this is the most amazing program if you and this is a contractual thing with the state of Virginia. So if you get a three point four GPA and you take certain classes, dot some I's, cross some t's you get guaranteed admissions to any of the state universities including some of the best in the entire nation like university of virginia and the college of william and mary so this is an amazing way to get college at almost half price so i know that right but that doesn't mean that that is necessarily the optimal scenario for my life my daughter's life or what we think is best for her, which is really interesting.

56:56So hopefully this is going to give, give everybody out there some license to, to have some grace for yourself, not just with college, but with everything it's, you can know there's an optimal path and choose with eyes wide open to not take it. So another one that I just talked about recently, and I actually got this really sweet email in response to it, which was precisely that, like, thank you for giving me a little bit of space to dot dot dot in this in this particular instance it was i was talking about the car that we bought for with her help she she certainly helped buy it but for my older daughter and even though we talk in the fly community about buying used cars right this is almost sacrosanct at this point but when it's your 15 and a half year old 16 year old whatever it was who is getting into a 2 ,000 pound machine of death, like you want something pretty safe.

57:51And if you have the resources and the ability to do that and she buys into it and helps and we make lessons around it, that made a lot more sense for us than getting her. And of course, this is limiting beliefs, right? Because that's implying that a used car is by definition, not as safe, not implying that at all. There were certain safety features that we really liked in this particular new car. And I still found a way to save some money on this and it was fun and et cetera. But like that was a decision that Brad circuit eight years ago would have recoiled in horror at. But I think it was the right decision for us and our family and my daughter and her safety.

58:31So I think in the case of my daughter, she is going directly to a four year university out of high school. And I think that's the right decision for her. Now, I know we'll talk about this in a minute, the three of us, but whether the value of college and all these things and changing landscapes with AI and job loss, et cetera, like we could probably spend five hours, the 115 of us navigating that. And that's obviously outside the scope of what we have time for. But sometimes you make decisions based on certain values, even if it's not the exactly optimal scenario in terms of nuts and bolts of money.

59:13So in this case, the social experience for my daughter, I think is going to be really, really valuable. And that's why that was the family decision for her to go to a four-year college. Now, she also has buy-in to this. So I think every family is going to have something different when it comes to how is it paid for? Are there student loans, et cetera? When frankly, like we have resources and she doesn't have to have student loans, but she's going to be responsible for at least one of the four years. And I think there are ways that we can teach financial lessons around this. So yeah, that's a very long way of saying, I don't know.

59:55I don't know what the right answer is, but I think you do the best you can. And I I think you make the decisions based on the information you have at the time. And that doesn't mean five years from now we won't look back and say, oh, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe we could have done something different. But I think that's part of life is updating our thinking, updating our reasoning, learning new things. And is she still going to apply for scholarships and other things? Yeah, you bet. And I think that's also something fun for her to do as well. So I think just like anything, and this is where my rambling before with CT's question was, there are ways to build lessons into anything.

1:00:31And I think at the end of the day, that's what I want for my daughters more than anything. I don't exactly remember what I learned in college, but I learned broadly how to think. And I think that's really, really important. And I've tried to do that all along of their childhood is to try to help them think through situations. and I hope that's what they continue on in their education. So the second part of the question was, what advice would we give to teens coming up to finishing high school and not really sure about what's next for them? It feels like such a big life and death decision at that age, isn't it?

1:01:10Like, what are you going to do after high school? How are you going to do? What are you choosing for the rest of your life? It's like, geez, no wonder they feel pressure. is it for the rest of their lives or is it just the next decision and is there a way we can phrase this as a mini experiment of let's try something i will build on that and take the pressure off completely and say to college or not to college you can be successful either way doesn't really matter some jobs you do need a degree some jobs you do not but you can be successful either way Shock horror, I don't have a degree. I never went to university.

1:01:48I never did any of that. It hasn't stopped me doing anything. I have taught at universities. I have taught on MBA courses. Did they not ask to see your degree? No, they did not. Maybe they will in the future, having heard this. For me, I feel as though I have been successful. I've won awards. I've done cool stuff. I have a beautiful wife. We're financially independent. that's a wonderful amount of success don't need any more and I didn't need a college degree to do it so for all of the young people out there take the pressure off whether you go or you don't it's cool you can still be successful second thought I have this idea that obviously a lot of my analogies are based around food I'm now realizing do you like ice cream how do you know which flavor of ice cream is your favorite?

1:02:38I've tried all of them. If you're anything like me, you go to the supermarket, buy every flavor and sit there trying them all and you will find out. How do you know what job you want to do? How do you know what thing you want to do? How do you know what you want to go? Test. And at that age, I think there's so much pressure to make the right decision. We forget to do the testing phase let them test let them try stuff organize some work experience try some different things volunteer places test there's no pressure at that young age so i would suggest young people try some ice cream i like that yeah i totally agree and i think lower the pressure right so like i had no idea what i wanted to do at 17 i still don't right i mean yeah when i grow off i'm not sure when that's gonna happen but i i don't know that anybody really except some select lucky few know exactly what they want to be when they're 17 so i would say just take a breath and experiment and try things and figure it out and know that we're all making this up as we go along and that's the fun of life even the adults even the adults especially the adults yeah i tell my girls all the time.

1:03:55I basically say in terms of phi, and I truly do believe phi is a superpower. And I think if you can orient your life around, no matter what you earn, saving approximately 50 % of your income from the beginning, you can't help but be wildly successful. You just can't help it. Now, is that plausible for every single person, every situation? No, of course not. But again, being directionally accurate. Can you build a life that you can save a significant amount of money? I think that is going to set up a life of success and will allow you to test and iterate and figure out what you want. And we all have second acts.

1:04:33We all have third acts. We, most of us have seventh and eighth acts and we're just figuring it out as we go along. So yeah, I mean, speaking directly to those kids, it's just, we're all still doing this. We're all figuring it out. And that is the fun. That's the spice of life. It really, truly is. Should we go for ice cream? Let's do it. I only eat vanilla. I know, I know. French vanilla. It's got to count for something. Come on. All right. So our final question comes from Ron. Yeah. So I guess once you reach an extraordinary life, which is a feat in and of itself, but say once you reach it, do each of you feel you have to strive to constantly do better or are you content until something in life changes?

1:05:17That's a good question. I love it. There's pressure. Katie's family used to say, you're only as good as your last match, which means like the last result you had, that's how good you are. I really don't like that because it puts pressure on you to perform again and again and again. Then you end up on this treadmill of I have to keep performing and I don't need to do that and I don't tie any of this stuff to my identity. I just want to have fun and adventures. And I think of it as a positive moving forwards. What adventures can I have? And I've had the adventure and we've reviewed it. I look at the photos.

1:05:57We've had a nice time. We memorise about stuff. We chat about it. Then I'm like, what's the next adventure? Where should we go? What should we do? What should we build? so I see it as more how many pleasurable experiences can I have in my life than okay I've ticked extraordinary and I'm done there are so many things to do in this world I feel like I don't have time in my one life to do everything I want to do I'd love to be a movie writer I'd love to be a movie producer I'd love to be a Lego master builder I'm already building rebel finance school with Katie we published a music album last year we're working on our book I'm like how do I have time for all these things can someone please give me a couple of extra lifetimes anyone wants to donate a lifetime I'm willing to accept it but there's so much fun projects you can do so I don't like I'm very aware of the achievement treadmill that can occur and I purposely don't want to get involved in that if I want to relax I'll relax but I'm always coming back to the question how much fun can we have how many adventures can we have what fun stuff can we do and create and I think seeing it from a positive move towards the fun futures helps you to feel excited and alive and then you're not doing it out of duty you're only as good as your last win you're doing it because it's fun to play the game.

1:07:29I think for me there's a watch out of making it binary of either I have an extraordinary life or I don't and how once I get there can I have a little rest and then go for the next thing or what kicked me out of having an extraordinary life and the whole point of what we've been doing this weekend of setting the vision of where you're going is just to have a direction and moving towards that that's where the happiness is. it's not like I will be happy once I get to that vision maybe that vision you get you start on the path and you're like oh actually it's not that it's this and you will pivot and change direction so for me it's more moving towards that as well as acknowledging the ways in which my life is already amazing so it's just that process and making it fun and gamifying it of you could think of it as levels in a video game or like oh okay like I've mastered that level I've figured out that skill do I choose to go and try the next level and beat the big baddie at the end is Brad the big baddie he's tough he's bad and he's got big muscles okay I'll take it yeah this is it's an interesting one so I don't think there's an end goal to any of this I think uh as Ron asked like once you've built an extraordinary life and I don't think he was implying that there's an end goal by any means.

1:08:51But I think there is this constant tension between being satisfied and striving. And I think that's natural. I think that's part of all of our lives. And I think it's also important to take a step back and say, while I believe that Phi is a superpower, it doesn't mean that every day is amazing. So lest anybody thinks like, oh, I have no right to be unhappy or in a bad mood or whatever, because I'm so fortunate. Like, I think that's misunderstanding just the human condition also. And I think it's very important to have some grace and understanding for yourself is that we all have bad days, even if we're fine, even if we built an extraordinary life, even if our life by any measure is objectively amazing.

1:09:40The people around me can tell you there are just days where I'm just grumpy or I'm just in a bad mood. It happens. Like that doesn't mean I failed in some way. It means I'm human. So I think we all need to take a step back sometimes on this path and say, we don't have to be perfect in anything. We're just, it's directionally accurate. We're just trying, trying to find a better life. However you term that just on average as we move forward. And we also know there are seasons of life and things change and that's fine. There's nothing ever set in stone. And I find that to be a really exciting part of life.

1:10:18Alan and Katie, you talked about that yesterday in terms of the old phrase flip-flopper and how that is castigated in terms of political identity. Somebody changed their mind. Can you imagine the horrors? Whereas what do intelligent people do when they get new information? They update their thinking, right? Like that is literally what you do. If you held hard and fast to some idea that you had or some belief that you had years ago or decades ago in the light of new information, I would think you're insane, frankly. That's not something laudable. So to me, like I said, building an extraordinary life, it's about being directionally accurate, but it's also, it's understanding there is that tension of there are going to be times where I want to go, go go and learn and do all new things and there are gonna be times like frankly the last five months of my life where i've been extraordinarily content with a really simple life and it's been this is something that was an experiment and it's been incredible and i'm actually in this walkable community where this event is being held and i'm getting to highlight this dream that i had to all of you.

1:11:31And I think that's, it's fun. That's your version of extraordinary. Yes. Today. That's your current version of extraordinary. And that's the bit I think people get hooked up on is extraordinary should mean whatever it is, astronaut. No, extraordinary could just be having dinner with your kids every night where no one's on the phone. That's pretty extraordinary in current culture and technology. Extraordinary doesn't have to be a massive thing it can just be dinner with your kids hanging out in the community looking after your body helping other people playing an amazing board game you can have an extraordinary evening with friends laughing so i think let's remove the giant thing and just have a bit more fun have some adventures and brad's version of extraordinary is great everyone has a different version of extraordinary which we're back to my favorite thing which is breakfast if i asked everyone here what their perfect breakfast was, I would get 115 different answers.

1:12:31Because every single person has a different version of what it is. So what we always come back to is imagine what your version of extraordinary is, and then create it, whatever that means to you. All right, well, Alan, I think that is the perfect way to end this extraordinary takeover. And really this extraordinary event and i just want to thank both of you for putting this on i think we're going to do many of these in the future so if you're listening to this we'll have a link in the show notes for how to get on the email list for future events if you're looking to make a change in your life an event like this really can make a difference you've heard it here throughout this hour and a half and i think this kind of thing really matters i think the introspection and looking at your life looking at these preconceived notions can i say one yeah go for you do not need an event to make a change in your life that is very true there is never a better time than right now to start working on the future that you want to live so that's what we want you to take away from this episode is action to create your dream future and as always thank you for listening to choose a fi and being part of our community

1:13:51Thank you.