MISSING: Brittany Wallace Shank

16:51Brit Prawat:He says he actually didn't want to lend his car to her that night. People we spoke to told us that that car was his baby. But that night, Brittany asked to borrow it so she could go to her grandma's. And according to Sheldon, he actually even offered to drive her himself. Like, it was only like a 15-minute cruise away. But he says that Brittany got irritated about this and was adamant about taking the car alone. Which makes sense if she's meeting up with another guy. Which is what I think happens. Because Sheldon helps fill in more of the timeline for November 30th. He says that she left his place likely sometime between 5 and 6 p.m.

17:29Brit Prawat:And not long after, Brittany called him up, like half joking, half complaining. I think that there wasn't enough gas in the car and she was going to have to stop and fill up. And after, that's when we have a gap where we think she picks someone up before going to grandma's. Now, once hours pass by, Sheldon tries contacting Brittany to see where she's at. Like she's supposed to be back with his car. but she won't answer, which probably frustrates him. Not because he is thinking she's with some other guy, he is thinking that she's out using, and like I said, not back with his car after he already seemed like on the fence about her taking it.

18:02Brit Prawat:And look, after talking to people close to this case, Sheldon doesn't really seem like the jealous type. He is more so the guy that Britt felt she could always fall back on if she needed something. So at 9.42 p.m., he actually called a friend and his cousin and asked them to pick him up so they could go out and look for Brittany. And deputies end up confirming this with those two people. The first place they said they checked are the Village Manor Apartments in Sturgis.

18:31Ashley Flowers:Why not grandma's if that's where she said she was going?

18:34Brit Prawat:Well, because according to Sheldon, Brittany would go to these apartments to visit friends and to do drugs, like, or get drugs. And remember, like, that is what he thought was going on here, why she isn't back. But he goes there, doesn't spot her car. So then they did go by grandma's. No car there either. They said they drove back to the Village Manor apartments one more time, but when they still couldn't find her, they just went back to Sheldon's house. And it is very soon after he gets back home that there is a knock on his door. Not Brittany, obviously, but police. And so now we're back to the point in the timeline that I've already told you about, when officers showed up to tell him that his car was found abandoned after this quote-unquote crash.

19:15Brit Prawat:And Sheldon said that he had no clue who Britt had been with. And so this is one of the great mysteries of this case, because there is some evidence to suggest that Brittany might not have been running from a car accident that night. She may have been running from this man. And there are signs that Mystery Man may have found her.

19:45Brit Prawat:Let's face it. If student loans are slowing down your financial goals, it might be time for a smarter strategy. That's where today's sponsor SoFi comes in. SoFi is helping you tackle student debt by refinancing your loans with flexible monthly payments that fit your budget. We're talking about the potential to lower your interest rate, reduce your monthly payment, or even pay off your loan sooner depending on the term you choose. You can also consolidate your student loans into one simple monthly payment, so you could save more each month and work towards achieving your long-term financial ambitions.

20:14Brit Prawat:SoFi offers competitive, fixed and variable rates and no origination fees, prepayment fees or late fees required. It takes just two minutes to check your rate with SoFi, and they have already helped over 500 ,000 members refinance more than$50 billion in student loans. Visit SoFi.com slash Crime Junkie to see how much you can save. That's SoFi.com slash Crime Junkie and start making smarter money moves with SoFi. SoFi student loans are originated by SoFi Bank, N.A. member FDIC. Additional terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891.

20:48Ashley Flowers:You know the saying, knowledge is power? Well, it's a lot more than that. Knowledge can be growth, security, opportunity. And no one knows that better than Southern New Hampshire University. That's why they offer over 200 online degree programs designed to help you reach your goals. Set yourself up for success or get ready to pivot into something new. No matter your program, you'll learn practical career-focused skills you can use on the job. And getting your degree online doesn't mean doing it alone. Southern New Hampshire University has some of the best student support in online education. From day one to graduation, you'll have friendly, knowledgeable people to help you with everything from applying and financial aid to tutoring and career development.

21:25Ashley Flowers:At Southern New Hampshire University, knowledge can be life-changing. Get started at snhu.edu slash crimejunkie. That's snhu.edu slash crimejunkie.

21:42Brit Prawat:This case started with Sheldon's car going off the road. Supposedly, that is why Brittany went to John's and asked to use the phone. But there is something about that that doesn't really ring all the way true. I mean, yes, the car went off the road, but like I said, I think it was still totally drivable. Now, police did have it towed, probably just because it had been abandoned. Someone had fled the scene. But most people our reporter Madison talked to said that this ditch was super shallow. Like, arguably, they wouldn't even call it a real ditch. I wouldn't either. I was like on Google Maps. I've seen videos that they sent us of out.

22:19Ashley Flowers:Like, you grew up in this area. I can, like, close my eyes and imagine it's like a slight divot on the shoulder and then back into the field.

22:25Brit Prawat:Barely. And if a car went off, and I know there's a little snow on the ground, like say it was really low to the ground, I think even just with a little bit of effort, you would have been able to get it out of there. Now, to be fair, if you're on your own or like if you were high, maybe you are really stuck. But for argument's sake, say the car could have been driven out of there. Why wouldn't she? Maybe she was trying to get away from someone in the car. Remember, she had those small cuts and injuries that can't fully be explained by her just going off the road. Maybe tapping a little small tree that was there.

23:03Brit Prawat:Grandma said that Brittany and the mystery man seemed to be arguing a bit, remember. And Brittany's mom, Jessica Rolfe, told us something interesting about her. Believe it or not, she said that Brittany actually had this habit of impulsively jumping out of cars when she was pissed off. Like it's something her mom had witnessed her doing before in an argument. And to further hint at this idea that something happened in the car, when Sheldon got the car back from impound, he says the inside was trashed. Like the glove box was open. Britney's purse had supposedly been like dumped out. Her belongings were scattered everywhere.

23:41Brit Prawat:And apparently that was exactly how it was when first responders found it on the side of the road in the first place. So, say something happened in that car, before or after it went off the road. Was Brittany trying to get away from the person she was in the car with? If so, there is a good chance that he caught up to her. Now, John isn't around anymore for us to get this story directly from him. But Brittany's dad, Greg, relayed to us that John had told someone that when he went out to his detached garage the next morning, after Brittany had been at his house, it looked like someone had gone through his stuff.

24:23Brit Prawat:The insinuation being that this had supposedly happened when Brittany herself was inside with John talking to dispatch.

24:31Ashley Flowers:Meaning Mystery Man is in the garage. Right. But that doesn't mean she didn't know. What do you mean? I mean, like, I'd venture to guess people are more willing to open their door to a young woman in trouble than a woman and a man. Like, maybe she went up to use the phone, told him to wait outside, away.

24:50Brit Prawat:Actually, that would make a lot of sense, especially when combined with the tidbit of info that we get, like, when deputies canvass the neighborhood. So, okay, there isn't, like, much of a neighborhood canvass. Again, you know this area. Super spread out. Yeah, it's pretty rural. But there was another house not too far from John's on the same road. And someone in that house saw Britt that night, too. According to the case file, there was this young teen who was home alone. And they reported seeing Brittany outside this house wearing a big green coat, just like the one that John had given her. So, I mean, we can almost be sure that this is her.

25:28Brit Prawat:And we can be sure that this happened after she left John's. But it's what happened next that's really unsettling. So according to the report, while he watched this woman like circle from the backyard to the front, like peering through the windows, he heard someone else knocking on his front door at the same time. Now, this teenager is obviously like super freaked out. He's not going to answer the door for whoever is knocking. So he didn't see what that person looked like or anything. The question is, was to like to your point. So like I was originally thinking like was this person like stalking her and looking for her, thinking maybe, you know, she was at Johns.

26:03Brit Prawat:Maybe she's here. Or, now thinking what you're saying. Were they together? Did they travel to that second house together?

26:11Ashley Flowers:So, did they ever do searches in, like, the fields? Because, again, like, looking at a map of this, like you said, this is an area like where I grew up. These houses are kind of, like, square miles apart sometimes. They're huge. Yeah.

26:25Brit Prawat:Huge fields in between.

26:26Ashley Flowers:If she's barefoot and it's freezing, there's some snow on the ground, and this next house didn't open their door, like, maybe she didn't make it. it any further.

26:36Brit Prawat:Yeah, I mean, people have wondered that, thinking that, like, she, like, either became disoriented in, like, the freezing dark, especially if she was using drugs. She succumbed to the elements somewhere near the road that they're on. It's called Fawn River Road. Or they're even thinking, like, did she possibly overdose? But to answer your question, yes, they have searched. And they haven't found anything. So, like, that makes me think that that's super unlikely, especially when you think about this is, like, late November, early December when they're searching. This is flat, flat farmland for like as far as the eye can see.

27:07Ashley Flowers:The joke is like you can watch your dog run away for a week. Like there's nothing there. If she had just like, like, you know, fallen and died there or like whatever.

27:17Brit Prawat:You would see her body. She would have been discovered by now. And even since those early days, there have been even more searches beyond the open fields, like in surrounding woods, water. But still, Brittany has never been found. And outside of people having their own varying opinions on who he might be, mystery man has never been identified.

27:39Ashley Flowers:Which I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around because this is like 2018, right?

27:45Brit Prawat:Yeah, this is like fairly recently.

27:47Ashley Flowers:Right. Did we not pull phone records? How do we not know who she was meeting up with that night? And what about the car? Because Prince should have been all over it if he was in it, right?

27:58Brit Prawat:It's so frustrating. So we know she has her phone with her when she leaves Sheldon. Remember, she took that selfie. But I don't know what happened to her phone because actually one of the things I keep wondering is why she wouldn't use that to call for help. Like, why did she even need to go to John's farmhouse at all? And according to Sheldon, it hadn't been left behind in his car when he went to pick it up. So the only thing that I can come up with as far as her phone goes is like, A, maybe Mystery Man took it and like that's why she needed to go to John's. or B, like, I'm trying to think back to 2018.

28:30Brit Prawat:Was this a world where, like, there was bad service? Like, I mean, it could definitely be spotty for sure. And listen, I know, according to the case file, authorities attempted to ping it, even though you can't find it. In my mind, I'm like, you know, it is 2018. Let's pull the records. But it's noted in the case file that whatever ping they tried to do just didn't work. Like, the phone was either off or it was roaming or there was, like, no service.

28:54Ashley Flowers:OK, but can't they see where it was like before it went offline?

28:58Brit Prawat:I would think. But there is no detail in the records about this. And law enforcement wouldn't talk to us. So I don't know exactly what they did or didn't pull. And I believe it may have been like a prepaid or like pay as you go kind of thing. So like I don't know if that factors in. But even still, I don't know what they tried to track location wise or like communication wise like related to that phone. But if anything, I assume it didn't lead them to Mystery Man or we wouldn't be here talking about it. Right. And what about the car? So, oh, that is the thing that's going to frustrate you. It was just never processed.

29:33Brit Prawat:I guess because they just assumed initially that this was like a girl who didn't want to be found. Like they're not thinking foul play, especially not at first. So like they just give it back to Sheldon. He just goes to pick it up from impound. No problem. And then I don't know if like by the time they like realize what's going on, they're like, oh, well, too late. To me, it's never too late, but like never gets processed. But at least in giving evidence back to Sheldon, they did get a statement from him. And he starts telling police about the people that Brittany was known to go see, starting with a woman named Ashley Hooley.

30:10Brit Prawat:And Ashley's interesting because she lives at the same Village Manor apartments in Sturgis where Sheldon first went looking for Brittany the night that she vanished. It wasn't grandma's house he went to. It was there. And Sheldon told investigators that he did that because Brittany regularly went there to buy and use meth. But Ashley wasn't just some random drug dealer. When she comes in to speak with investigators, she tells them just how deeply she was tied to Brittany. They're sisters. And she's desperate to find her, and she is already trying to do whatever she can to help. Except, that's a lie.

30:47Brit Prawat:I mean, she did seem to be inserting herself into the investigation, but she is not Britney's blood sister. Britney's dad is like, I don't even know who this woman is. What? Now, Ashley does eventually clarify that she and Britney are not biologically related. They're just like really close. And in a later interview, she'd eventually say that Britney was her best friend, but she didn't know if she was Britney's. And some of Britney's family says Ashley may not have been nearly as close to Britney as she was presenting herself to be. And over time, they start wondering whether Ashley is genuinely trying to help solve Britney's disappearance.

31:28Brit Prawat:Because like I said, she just keeps like putting herself in the middle. Or whether she may be trying to steer attention away from something else entirely. But what? According to Ashley, she and Britt had recently been in touch. But pinning down exactly when they last spoke or saw each other gets a bit tricky. Because in one part of her interview, Ashley tells investigators that the last time she physically saw Brittany was November 23rd. Then later, she changes that to November 28th. But she says the last contact of any kind she had with Britney was through Facebook Messenger on November 30th, the very day she vanished.

32:10Brit Prawat:And listen, from what we know, that communication was friendly enough. Like, Brit was just checking in on her.

32:15Ashley Flowers:And what did their other interaction say, like, further back?

32:18Brit Prawat:Well, I'd love to tell you. But, and this is jumping ahead just a little bit, something weird ends up happening with Britney's social media. People we spoke to told us that Facebook Messenger was like one of the main ways that Brittany communicated. But everything on her social media had gone completely dark since she disappeared. Except months after she had been missing, a friend notices that one of her Facebook accounts suddenly appears active again. So she tells Britt's mom, Jessica Rolfe, who then notifies law enforcement. And it's not like she is talking to anyone or like posting anything normally.

32:52Brit Prawat:The account just starts doing these strange things like they think stuff was possibly being like hidden, deleted, altered in some way. Then apparently some of Brit's conversations with Ashley start disappearing. Now, I know investigators took the activity seriously enough that in July of 2019, they requested emergency Facebook records tied to Brittany's account and they obtained IP address information connected to the logins. But of freaking course, their findings aren't documented in the files that we got access to.

33:24Ashley Flowers:Why would they be?

33:25Brit Prawat:But I do believe at least some of that activity that happened on her account can be tied to Ashley because our reporter Madison got in touch with Ashley and she did agree to answer some questions via Facebook Messenger, of course. But they did end up hopping on a quick call later for some like follow ups at the last minute, too. Now, Ashley acknowledges that she did, in fact, access some of Britt's online accounts after she disappeared. But she says that it's not in the way that's like being portrayed, like it wasn't malicious. She says that Sheldon sent her a picture of like notebooks that Brittany kept with passwords and account recovery information and that they were like hoping those accounts might reveal who Brittany had been talking to before she went missing.

34:14Brit Prawat:According to Ashley, most of the passwords no longer work. And she says she was only able to get into that one Facebook account. And later she told detectives that she had access to it. They asked her to stop going in. She says she did. But then months later, she says that a private investigator approached her for help accessing the additional accounts. Now, Ashley says she believed that this PI was like working with law enforcement. And like, again, she was trying to help. Ashley's explanation is that she wasn't trying to alter evidence or hide information. She was simply looking for clues that might help locate Brittany.

34:49Brit Prawat:And here's the thing she says isn't correct about any of these allegations. She says that lots of stuff was already gone before she got access to it. And according to her, it wasn't even just messages between her and Britt that got deleted either. She says there were lots more. But both of Britt's parents dispute that. Who else has got deleted? Her parents say that there is at least one other person whose messages seem to have been messed with. It was actually the one other person whose name kept coming up over and over again with Ashley's as police and her family were talking to people. And that is Eric Schenck, Brittany's husband.

35:31Ashley Flowers:One, her what, but two of these names are also giving me a hard time. Britt, Ash, Eric, I know, I know.

35:37Brit Prawat:Listen, I told you that her love life is complicated. And buckle up because this is where the case really takes a turn.

35:52Ashley Flowers:In the U.S., there's a break-in every 26 seconds. And most security systems only alert you after a break-in has already started. But that's too late. Thankfully, SimpliSafe can actually stop crimes before they start. You guys know I've been a SimpliSafe customer for years now. and their proactive philosophy to home security is a big reason why. And if you're not familiar, SimpliSafe's US-based live agents identify threats on your property and help deter them in real time. The intruder never even makes it into your house. They make the setup process super easy too. It only takes about 30 minutes.

36:22Ashley Flowers:Plus, it's affordable without the long-term contracts, meaning you don't need to worry about getting locked in at crazy rates. With monitoring and deterrence plans starting at around$1 a day, there's no better option than SimpliSafe. I want you to experience the same peace of mind I do, which is why I've partnered with SimpliSafe to offer an exclusive discount to my listeners. Right now, you can get 50 % off your new system by visiting simplisafe.com slash crimejunkie. That's half off at simplisafe.com slash crimejunkie. There's no safe like SimpliSafe.

36:55Brit Prawat:Eric Schenck is Britney's ex. But still, he was technically her husband in November of 2018. They're separated, but still legally married and sharing two children. Brittany had reportedly started filling out divorce papers shortly before she disappeared to try and make things official. Now, whatever arrangement they had going on meant that Brittany was free to date Sheldon or whoever else she wanted. But emotionally, things were messier than that. Because according to Brittany's mom, Jessica, even though the relationship had become incredibly toxic due to drugs, Brittany and Eric still had this intense pull toward one another.

37:35Brit Prawat:Like, they could split up and somehow still always end up right back in each other's orbit. And by the time Brittany goes missing, she may be back with Sheldon, but Eric is still deeply woven into her everyday life. And into their little friend group. Because Eric knows Ashley well, too. He goes to her apartment to buy and use drugs, too. And when he's later asked where he was when Brittany went missing, Eric remembered staying over at Ashley's apartment that entire night. Oh. That is part of why some of Brittany's family starts paying such close attention to Ashley moving forward. She is basically Eric's alibi and Eric hers.

38:20Brit Prawat:And when we asked her about that night, Ashley, I mean, she said Eric came over at like 8.40 p.m. and then was there like most of the time.

38:31Ashley Flowers:So perfect alibi for the kind of exact time that Brittany goes missing.

38:36Brit Prawat:Yes, but around 1 a.m. she says that he left, took her car to put air in the tires, and then it sounds like he like comes back and then he eventually like leaves her place again to go back home to his parents at around like 2 a.m.

38:49Ashley Flowers:Quick question. Were they like together together? Like, I love him. He's great. My husband's not running out to fill up my tires at one in the morning.

38:57Brit Prawat:They say no. Like Ashley was actually dating someone else at the time. This guy named Curtis Polly, who everyone called Pocket. Get it? I got it. But Ashley being tied up with someone else or not. I think the thing that's important here is that Brittany's mom, Jessica, told us she believes there is no way that Brittany would have been cool with how close they seemingly were. And Ashley herself tells detectives that she thought Brittany wanted to work things out with Eric, even though she was seeing Sheldon. But what Ashley is saying doesn't exactly pass the sniff test. And I'll give you an example.

39:33Brit Prawat:I'm sorry, him staying over at her house late night isn't the example? Well, that could have been anything, Britt, you know. But honestly, truly, maybe it was about, like, the drugs, maybe he crashed there. Also, it sounds like he's up and out and about at, like, one in the morning. Like, maybe no one's crashing and they're just, like, hanging out. It's hard to prove anything with that. But this next thing, especially the timing, is a little bit harder to argue with. It's body cam footage from a traffic stop in Three Rivers, Michigan, involving Eric from December 23rd, 2018. So we're talking like three weeks after Brittany went missing.

40:09Ashley Flowers:Is it your car, Eric? No, it is not. We just bought it for a Friday. You what? I borrowed it from my girlfriend. Been out in the damn woods all day. What are you guys doing out in the woods? Looking for my wife. Is she missing? Yeah, she's been in Wallace. She's been missing since November 30th.

40:31Brit Prawat:Britt, do you want to guess who he says his girlfriend is? All right.

40:37Ashley Flowers:So I'm following this black Ford SUV with a plate out of Sturgis registered to Ashley Hooley showing no insurance. and it's cutting through the First Ward neighborhood using side streets. So I make a traffic stop on it because it's not insured. It's Eric Shank driving. He's on a restricted license and John Fox Jr. is in the passenger seat.

41:00Brit Prawat:Now, Ashley's relationship with Eric is one of the things that we asked her about. And she did admit to us that after Brittany vanished, she and Eric spent a lot of time together because they were both caught up in the search. They were using drugs. They were dealing with intense emotions. And Ashley acknowledges that their relationship did eventually become intimate. But she maintains that happened only after Brittany's disappearance. She says it was not during the time of this traffic stop when he is calling her his girlfriend or even before. So anyways, back to this stop, because there is more here.

41:35Brit Prawat:The officers like are searching the car as part of this. And it sounds like they're like concerned about drugs. But when they ask John Fox Jr., or JJ, as he's known, if he's got anything on him, he explains that he's got a notepad in his pocket full of names because he's trying to figure out what he described as some sex trafficking thing that's been going on. And I can't be 100 % sure, but I think he's insinuating that this sex trafficking thing has something to do with their search for Britney, maybe even like why they've been out in the woods all day. But weirdly, these officers, like, don't press.

42:13Brit Prawat:I mean, you can definitely sense that they're, like, skeptical about why they're really out there. But remember, Britt's missing person case isn't theirs. Like, this is Three Rivers. She went missing in St. Joseph County. So they have no reason to connect these dots. Exactly. Now, when Ashley shows up to the scene, because she had been called, it's her vehicle that they're in. Right. And when she's asked by an officer, she does in that moment deny that she is Eric's girlfriend, saying that he's, like, just a friend. but she's clearly upset that her car is going to get impounded. She says like she can't afford it, that she has already been through a lot and then the situation just kind of like escalates from there fast.

42:49Brit Prawat:They say she's not cooperating and she ends up in handcuffs and then she claims officers hit her head on the car while arresting her. JJ and Eric, on the other hand, appear to be staying like cool as cucumbers. And even though officers find needles, needle caps and a billy club type impact weapon. I'm sorry, a what? Like, you know, one of those like, it's like a heavy, like, duty nightstick kind of thing. Like a police baton. They find all of this in there. Still, they decide to give these guys a break because it's the day before Christmas Eve. Happy holidays, folks. So all things considered, Eric and JJ seemingly, like, make it out of this traffic stop pretty much unscathed.

43:31Brit Prawat:But here's, like, another reason why I think this stop is so important. And it has to do with JJ, the passenger in the car. So remember in our timeline of November 30th, after Britt leaves the house in Sheldon's car, Sheldon said that she had called him up complaining that there wasn't enough gas. She was going to have to, like, stop, fill it up, whatever. So if Britt did end up stopping for gas that night, that would make sense. Well, what have I told you? There is reason to believe Ashley had the receipt from the transaction that Britt made in her possession at some point.

44:09Ashley Flowers:Ashley, who's saying she didn't see Brittany at all that particular day.

44:13Brit Prawat:That's the one. Cool. So this receipt is for 20 bucks worth of gas at the Marathon Station on Fawn River Road. Which is the road that like everything is happening on. Yes. It is time-stamped for 6.11 p.m. on November 30th, and it appears to have Britt's account information on it. But investigators don't end up with the physical copy of the receipt. They end up with photos of the receipt that Ashley had. That's somehow almost weirder? I know. Weirder to me is that she's not even the one who originally brought it to their attention either. Okay, but why does she have them? Okay, so this is all according to a later interview that she does with detectives.

44:57Brit Prawat:Okay. Basically, she tells them that her Ford Explorer had been stolen sometime near the end of January, beginning of February 2019. So this is like, to put it in context, like two months after Britt went missing. Okay. Two months after her car is taken, it's finally recovered. Okay. She says that when she got her car back, there was this garbage bag full of just like random items and trash inside the vehicle. And Ashley said she started like digging through the bag trying to get proof of who took her car to see what they've been up to or whatever. And she claims that is where the gas receipt turned up.

45:34Brit Prawat:So she said she snapped a picture of it. And to be fair, she said she took photos of a lot of things that she found in that bag. And she said she didn't realize the significance of the receipt until it had already been thrown away.

45:45Ashley Flowers:But if you didn't think it was important, then why take a photo of it then?

45:49Brit Prawat:I mean, it's literally what Mads asked her to. And Ashley said something that I think kind of contradicts what I just told you from her official statement to investigators. Because she tells Mads now that she actually did notice the November 30th date, the time, like the specific gas station. And she said she had this gut feeling that it might be connected to Britt. Even though at that point in time, she said that no one was thinking foul play yet. It's important if there was foul play that no one's thinking about yet. Yeah. What? Because she's like, at that point, they're just like trying to, when she finds it, like track down her friend.

46:22Brit Prawat:I don't know. But I do know that back when she was telling police this, she did believe she knew who took her vehicle and who had it for like two months. And here we're coming back. John Fox Jr. JJ. JJ. She told Madison she's confident it was JJ because she claims he literally took off with her keys, left her a note saying he was borrowing it and then just like never bothered bringing it back. Oh. The thing is, she's not necessarily saying that, like, he's the one who had the receipt initially. She's kind of just like, you know, it could have easily been, like, any one of the many people in the circle that he associated with that he could have, like, picked up or been in the vehicle or borrowed the vehicle in, like, the time period that she is saying she did not have it.

47:11Brit Prawat:And he... Supposedly did. Did. But here's the thing. The gas receipt isn't the only thing connected to Britney that somehow resurfaces after she disappears. Because remember, Britney's phone never recovered from Shelton's car or anywhere else. That's still not totally found after the crash. And this did always strike her family as odd because according to Jessica, Britney would have like fought somebody over that phone. So for it to be completely like gone that night with her, like seemingly untraceable, that's always been like a big mystery. Like they're thinking that it has to be with her, right?

47:47Brit Prawat:Who is missing? That's the only thing that makes sense. But then this happens. So Eric Schenck showed up to one of the early searches for Brittany, dropped off by Ashley, by the way. Even though Britt's family told us that like at this point in time, like they did not even know who she was. But it is like in this one of like early day searches that he claims to have found part of Britt's phone. Part of it? Part. So according to people close to the case, what Eric allegedly said he found was the back plate from a Samsung phone that resembled the one that Brittany had been using before she disappeared.

48:27Brit Prawat:This Samsung J337P. And we know that that's reportedly the same model tied to the selfie that Brittany took before leaving Sheldon's that night. It all seems to match up. But some of Britt's family tell us that they're suspicious of this whole, like, finding. Because according to them, Eric was off searching by himself in a field near the crash site when he made this alleged discovery. No one else from the search party was there to witness it. And what's even weirder, Britt's mom Jessica said that he didn't even like run over to the rest of the group and tell them like I found this clue. Jessica said that he just like left and she learned about it later.

49:08Brit Prawat:Now in the case file, there is mention of a ZTE cell phone missing backplate listed under the evidence. But there's like no other details. I don't know if this is the one that we're talking about. I also don't know why you would call it a missing backplate. And they don't give any notes in the file about who ended up turning it in, when that happened, or if investigators were ever even able to confirm that it was in fact Brittany's. Still, the family can't help but wonder, did Eric genuinely stumble across part of Brittany's phone while searching for her? Or did he somehow already have it? Did anyone ever just ask him?

49:50Brit Prawat:Not really. Even though Eric is her husband, even though he is allegedly finding evidence, even though he is tied up in some weird way to Ashley, who seemed to keep finding herself at the center of this thing, St. Joseph County investigators don't seem to question Eric at all until more than six months after Brittany went missing. And even that appears to have been this like super short interaction from what I can tell. During that little chat, Eric even admitted he hadn't spoken directly with any law enforcement about Britt's case before. And he had only passed information through, guess who?

50:30Brit Prawat:Ashley. And it wouldn't be until nearly five freaking years later that they would actually sit him down for a 45-minute formal recorded interview. How is this even remotely acceptable for an investigation? You tell me. As someone from the Michiana area, it is embarrassing. Yes. Now, while the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office did provide us with the records, they never got back to us regarding our request for an interview. But you know what is so bizarre about all of this Eric and Ashley stuff?

51:07Ashley Flowers:I mean, I could go on, but you're going to tell me something new.

51:09Brit Prawat:Whether it was only with like the pure intentions like that Ashley describes, there is no doubting that Ashley puts herself at the heart of this case. She is definitely cooperating with investigators, providing them with theories and leads to chase down people she thinks should be looked at as a suspect. But for some reason, at least in the files we have, in all of the talking and finger pointing she's doing, she never seems to suggest that they look at Eric. Instead, she really focuses her attention on someone else close to Brittany. Not Eric, not JJ, the one who supposedly had this like freaking receipt or like some kind of connection to someone who had the receipt or whatever.

51:56Brit Prawat:No, she turns the tables on Brittany's own mom, Jessica Rolfe. Now, to be fair, we know that Jessica is suspicious of Ashley, too. So they're both pointing the finger at each other. And the accusations against Jessica kind of stick for at least a brief moment in time. And that's because of some disturbing voice memos between mother and daughter that end up getting leaked.

52:30Brit Prawat:Starting a new business can be intimidating. I mean, the amount of tasks you have to juggle can get overwhelming quickly. And it's like you have to be an expert in everything all at once. I mean, you think when I started Crime Junkie, I thought I would be running a merch store one day? I know. But when that day came, before I could even hire help, I had to expertly run a merch store. And I did it with Shopify. And you know what? But it doesn't matter how big we've grown, how many team members we have who are actual experts now. We still use Shopify. Shopify drives e-commerce whether you're a household name like AudioCheck now or if you're a creator just getting started like I was eight years ago.

53:09Brit Prawat:The platform acts as your built-in business partner and simplifies all your tasks. Imagine the ease of building your dream store with hundreds of beautiful templates, leverage AI writing tools for product descriptions and photo enhancements in seconds. You can even create email and social campaigns with ease. So start your business today with the industry's best partner, Shopify, and start hearing. Sign up for your$1 per month trial today at Shopify.com slash Crime Junkie. Go to Shopify.com slash Crime Junkie. That's Shopify.com slash Crime Junkie.

53:44Ashley Flowers:I recently learned that after working out, performance and recovery come down to what's happening in your blood. Now I pay a lot more attention to what's happening inside my body. And here's what most people overlook. Training gives your body the stimulus, but your internal environment determines what happens next. Thankfully, function can help you see exactly what's going on under the hood. Things like your glucose, whether your body is burning clean or running on fumes. Your omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, which one is winning the inflammation battle? Your DHEAS, one of the building blocks your body uses to make testosterone, and one of the first things to quietly decline.

54:17Ashley Flowers:When these markers are off, you can do everything right and still feel like you're fighting against yourself. Check in on your health. Function provides over 160 labs for$1 per day and member pricing on MRI and CT scans. Join at functionhealth.com slash crimejunkie or use gift code crimejunkie25 for a$25 credit toward your membership.

54:39Brit Prawat:Ashley Hooley believes Brittany's mom, Jessica Rolfe, at the very least knows more than she's saying about what happened to Brittany. because according to the case file, there was speculation that Britt's disappearance was somehow linked to retaliation of some sort. Like maybe Jessica owed some dangerous people money or there were like stolen drugs or something of like of the sort there. Now to be very clear, investigators never publicly substantiated any of those claims against Jessica. But this is where the case really starts spiraling because even by Jessica's own account, She and Brittany did have a complicated relationship.

55:21Brit Prawat:They fought about drug use. They fought about the custody of Brittany's children. And Jessica admits that she and Brittany had even fought over men. They had been involved with two of the same guys over the years, although apparently like at different times. You can imagine this left a lot of room for rumors to run rampant, especially considering Jessica herself was wrapped up in the local drug scene and struggling with substance use back then. So none of it looked good. But after several years of what seems like back and forth finger pointing, this video gets blasted online that plays horribly for Jessica.

56:03Brit Prawat:It's a recording of one of their mother-daughter arguments from not too long before Britt went missing. And honestly, it is hard to hear. But because it's already out there and has become part of the narrative surrounding this case, I felt like it was important to acknowledge and to play for you, to play for everyone listening. But it has been edited down slightly for time's sake. Now, this is from about a month before Britt went missing. And these voice memos seem to center around a man named Daniel, who Brittany had dated and then Jessica had had a thing with. Now, Daniel seemed to be stoking the fire around, like, Brittany's custody of her children.

56:43Brit Prawat:She had recently given up custody, and her mom was furious. First off, you destroyed yourself. You are a toxic waste to everything and everybody you touch. Secondly, no, I'm not going to threaten you about jail. I'm not going to threaten you about Daniel. I am kind of threatening you about Daniel. but you need to shut your big ass mouth. Don't be making phone calls. Don't be sending people to send the messages. Like you are full of everybody knows it. You're sick in the head. There's something wrong with you. Seek help. That's what you need to do. Immediately. You put people's lives. You've tormented mine.

57:32Brit Prawat:You torment your dad's. You torment everybody's. You torment Daniel. You torment your children. You suck, dude. You suck. You suck the life right out of people. Nobody likes you. We do not want to talk to you. We do not want to hear from you.

57:52Brit Prawat:Yep, and you're blocked again. And no, actually, I'm doing great. Thank you. But you have a good one. And don't contact me anymore. You're not my mom. You mean nothing to me. And as far as Daniel, that was my closure. I don't really give a... Other than that, I don't have anything to say. So have a nice life. Stop contacting me. And no, I can just see my kids on a regular basis. All of them. Thank you. So stop texting him. Stop calling him. Stop emailing him. Stop everything. Stop having people contact him. or I am going to let everybody know where little Miss Brittany is at. And I'm going to ruin your life.

58:42Brit Prawat:Stay the f*** away from everybody. I was just granted visitation with my boys. So it doesn't really matter. You do you and I'll do me. And you can live your dope style life with Daniel and let him keep ruining your life too. It's be shit. I don't give a f*** about him. And I moved back out of state, so it doesn't really matter. And yep, that's when my dad talks to me on a regular basis now too, huh? And as far as Daniel goes, I'm with somebody, so I don't really give a s***. Like I said, that was just my closure. I could care less about him. Those are tough. Tough to listen to. And what I'll say is this.

59:29Brit Prawat:Jessica told us that she is not proud of what she said. She seemed to own it, though. These voice memos haunt her. They are played over and over again, sometimes when she least is expecting it. One of her lowest moments on repeat. But she says it's taught her to be more careful about what she says out of anger, because you never know what your last words to someone might be. And those being hers to Brit is something that she has to live with now. But she is adamant that no matter how ugly those recordings sound, Brittany did not deserve what happened to her. She never wanted any harm to come to her daughter.

1:00:06Brit Prawat:And she firmly believes that Ashley put those out just to make her look bad and to divert suspicion away from her and Eric. And Ashley admitted to us, yes, she was the one who originally got access to that video. But she says the story is a bit more complicated than that Because she claims at one point she was helping Jessica get into an old Facebook account while they were still on good terms. But like, long story short, that changes. They're no longer cool. And then she finds these voice memos between Britt and Jessica on Jessica's account. So while she says she's the one who discovered them, she also is saying she's not the one responsible for actually circulating them online.

1:00:52Brit Prawat:She said that she only shared it with some of Britt's other family members, like people she thought needed to know. And like, that's how it got blasted out. Now, when all of this is said and done, there is nothing that I've come across that seems to put Jessica with her daughter the night that she went missing or anywhere near Fawn River Road. You mean like a gas receipt? Like that.

1:01:15Ashley Flowers:I get that where there's smoke, there's usually fire. But what I am really struggling to find here is the why. Like, let's say Ashley and Eric, at least at a minimum, know a little bit more than what they're saying. What do they know? Why did she go missing? Because I've been out there. I've been in Sturgis. Yeah. I really struggled to believe that this is a random person who could have picked her up. Like, where does this mystery man come in in all of this?

1:01:40Brit Prawat:Well, it is possible that mystery man isn't that much of a mystery at all. Wait, did anyone look at Daniel? Oh, they definitely looked at Daniel. like obviously due to all the drama like and stuff. Not Daniel. He like apparently was living in Florida at the time. Though there was like some back and forth questions like was he, wasn't he? I don't know. I don't think it matters because he is like ultra tatted like even on his face. So like. Identifiable. Yeah. But anyways, not Daniel, but still might be someone she already knows. Like don't get me wrong. Mystery Man has still never conclusively been identified.

1:02:20Brit Prawat:But here is the thing about the sketches that were done of Mystery Guy. So the first one, the one that I showed you already, that one was done by like grandma's description in 2019, a couple of months after like the incident. That's the guy with like the long skinny face, the sideburns. That one didn't really get circulated publicly. Like for some reason, investigators only seem to show it to some people they talked to asking who it like looked like to them. Brittany's dad, Greg, who is Grandma Vicky's son, told us that he was told detectives never really completely trusted that sketch. And he's like, look, I kind of get it.

1:02:58Brit Prawat:Like, right? Remember, their interaction was super brief. Like, people were in and out of that house all the time. Perhaps that one was wrong. But for some unknown reason, detectives thought that they could get something better, even if it was, like, way down the line. So in 2023, they get like a whole new sketch from Brittany's cousin who was apparently around when Britt and this mystery guy were there.

1:03:20Ashley Flowers:How is something done five years later more accurate than grandma a couple months out?

1:03:26Brit Prawat:The only thing that like I can make make sense for myself is like the person, this cousin who gives this, they were a teenager. So like total shot in the dark. Maybe they hadn't been like drinking like other people in the house or like weren't intoxicated in some way, like more like clear minded. Either way, 2023, they give a description and somehow police feel confident in this second one. Now, I'm going to still post both just in case. Like, they're not wildly different, in my opinion. And all of that to say, between the two, first, second, whatever, some people thought that the general description of this mystery man maybe kind of sort of fit Sheldon.

1:04:09Brit Prawat:We know that, right? despite the family knowing him. But some people have also wondered whether Eric could have been the mystery man at Grandma's house. How would they know Sheldon but not Eric, though? On paper, I know that sounds like ridiculous, but according to people close to the family, most of the family hadn't seen Eric in a long time. Like, him and Britt are separated. They're not living together. And in that time, I guess his appearance had apparently changed drastically, drastically, likely due to his drug use. So that body cam footage of the traffic stop that we got earlier, that actually may be one of the most accurate views we have of Eric circa the time Brittany like vanished because that's from December 2018.

1:04:54Brit Prawat:Remember? And like there's something like I noticed there's sideburns. But the other problem I have, though, is like he's got a big beard And glasses. And we heard that he strictly was like a glasses guy. Yeah, I honestly don't see how it could be him. Yeah, you would think that that would have, like, stood out. Plus, remember, based on the timeline Ashley gave us, it probably wouldn't have worked for Eric to be Mystery Man. But if we believe that, we have to believe that the timeline Ashley is giving us is accurate.

1:05:28Ashley Flowers:Okay, let's just say Mystery Man isn't Eric. It still feels like he knows something. So again, I ask why? Like who actually has motive to want Brittany gone?

1:05:38Brit Prawat:So of all of the things that have come up over the years, all of the rumors, all of the finger pointing, I'm telling you, this case is like a you can get lost in it. I don't have like a firm this is it reason to point to. But there is something that I can point to and say, I think the answer might be here-ish. So we got word that Brittany had been talking to this guy named Zachary Bowman, seemingly romantically. And the very evening that she went missing, they talked on the phone several times. Like, it even sounds like one of these calls took place on her way to grandma's. Is he Mystery Man? Well, this, I know, is not possible because he is in prison at the time.

1:06:24Brit Prawat:That is the only reason that we even solidly know about these calls. Okay, I was going to ask that again. they're recorded on a prison line. And Britt, it sounds like we are the first ones to obtain these recordings. So I was praying that there was going to be some new tidbit of information from them. Like maybe Britt would drop a name or a location, a hint that we would hear some, like something strange in the background, anything. Because I definitely believe that she picked up Mystery Man on the way to Grandma's. And although she doesn't end up revealing who it was who was going to be with her that night, I do think there is something in one of these calls that we got that could be telling.

1:07:05Brit Prawat:But I need to give you some quick background context first. So at the time that Brittany goes missing, we know that Ashley says that she's dating a guy that I mentioned earlier, Pocket. Real name, Curtis Polly. So part of her alibi outside of Eric being over at her place for most of the night is that she stayed home upset because Pocket had apparently just been picked up by police. Apparently, he'd previously been on probation for something drug-related and decided to ditch his monitoring device. So in one of the calls with Zach, it sounds like Brittany is maybe just about to leave Sheldon's house for the evening.

1:07:43Brit Prawat:So that's the context you need to know going into this call. And the one that I'm going to play you some clips from is at a time when I think Brittany is maybe just about to leave Sheldon's house for the evening. So take a listen and then we'll talk about it.

1:08:25Ashley Flowers:Ashley hasn't said anything to me. Well, I asked her about it, but she hasn't responded. That means if he's in jail, I can get word to him now. Yep. I mean, I could have in the first place. Well, no, no, you better, no. Don't do that right now. You need to wait a little bit. Only because when I was up, I don't need anything to come back on me. I don't need him to get a hair on his ass. Because of what he said to me, I repeated back to you. You hear me?

1:08:55Brit Prawat:What's up? I said I don't need him wanting to do some revengeful shit

1:09:00Ashley Flowers:because something that he said to me got back to you

1:09:04Brit Prawat:while he's in there sitting on whatever he's sitting.

1:09:07Ashley Flowers:It don't matter what was said, period. It all comes out anyway. It don't matter. I always find out anything. It doesn't matter what it is. This is how it's been. It was like that with all my baby mamas.

1:09:17Brit Prawat:I'm not talking like that. You know which I'm talking about. Bye.

1:09:24Ashley Flowers:What's up? I was telling you, she'll tell you bye. But no, I can't say what I want to say over the phone, but there's a reason why I don't want you to say anything right now. I was hanging around Eric, his pocket old lady, in the pocket. Okay? So I don't need anything said right now.

1:09:47Brit Prawat:It feels like they're talking in a code. I mean, probably. They know they're being recorded, right? And I don't know about you, but I feel like there's some tension there, like code or no code. The vibe I get is that Brittany has been hanging out with Eric, Ashley, and Ashley's boyfriend Pocket, who is now in jail, where Zach is already at. And it sounds like Britt has something, like maybe some dirt on at least one of them. And she doesn't want what she has getting back to that person or to someone. And, like, I don't know. Maybe this means nothing. I mean, I definitely sensed something. Same.

1:10:27Brit Prawat:So what's Zach in prison for then? Also something drug-related, but, like, seemingly separate, not whatever, like, Pocket was, like, going away for. Okay. I don't know. Maybe Brittany or Zach, like, knew how Pocket, like, ended up getting picked up by police. Like, could Britt have been the one who ratted him out? I don't know. Our reporter, Madison, tried tracking down Zach and Pocket, hoping that they might remember what the heck she was talking about, but she has not had any luck reaching them. And of course, we tried reaching out to everyone named in this episode too, including Eric Shang.

1:11:02Brit Prawat:But as of this recording, Eric never got back to us. And listen, when we asked Ashley straight up if she is involved or if she knows more, she said most definitely not. And I want to point something out that I find like pretty odd. And I'm not sure like where the disconnect is, but it's concerning no matter what is going on here. So in the case file, there is this mention of detectives talking to Ashley about potentially taking a polygraph. But then there's like no info on whether or not they followed through. So obviously we asked people like we were speaking to about this. Did they hear about the results?

1:11:38Brit Prawat:Did it happen? And Brittany's dad Greg told Madison that St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office told him that both Ashley and Eric ended up taking polygraphs and they passed. But plot twist. Ashley told Mads that she never ended up taking one at all.

1:11:57Ashley Flowers:But wouldn't a past polygraph be good for her? Like that would like help her out a little bit?

1:12:02Brit Prawat:I would think so. She told us she was supposed to take one. Like, she even went in for it. And she spent more than three hours being, like, pre-screened, only to ultimately not be tested because the examiner felt like she hadn't gotten enough sleep. Apparently, like, she had been on the road a lot for work around that time. And she said that she spent several months trying to coordinate a second exam with a detective. But then, like, it eventually just, like, died off.

1:12:25Ashley Flowers:I can't even, like, come up with a reason for any of that to make sense.

1:12:30Brit Prawat:Right. Like, is someone in law enforcement so confused that they're like imagining polygraphs that never happened?

1:12:36Ashley Flowers:Or is maybe like Ashley confused about the pre-questions, like the pre-screening? Maybe they just told her it was like the beginning part, but it wasn't. I mean, I doubt it.

1:12:46Brit Prawat:At least from what I know. And admittedly, like, I don't I've never seen like all a bunch of polygraphs. But I think that like they do the pre-screen before you're like hooked up to the machine. I think you would know if you were taking a polygraph. Right. I mean. This is just like the perfect example in my mind of like this encapsulates the case. Like we're missing something. And like the lies don't even like make sense. If there are lies or is it like everyone's got their wires so crossed, I don't even understand the things that are being said. And yes, I think we are missing a piece. But I like I really think someone out there has to have the piece.

1:13:19Brit Prawat:So like this is my plug to everyone to reach out to us. Tips at audiocheck.com. because, Britt, I find that with the stories that have this, like, kind of local following, people tend to come out of the woodwork with important information. And no matter which theory you follow, like, something just doesn't work here. And maybe that's because what happened wasn't planned. I mean, I think there's a real possibility something spiraled. Maybe tensions that had already been brewing finally boiled over. Maybe drugs were involved. It could have been an accident. And people panicked afterward. Some people believe that Mystery Man eventually caught back up with Brittany after she left John's house, called for help, like went by that second house.

1:14:04Brit Prawat:And then like whatever happened next just went horribly wrong. Others have even speculated that Brittany may have been hit by a car sometime after leaving that teen's house. Maybe Mystery Man had called for a ride for them. That person hit her and then it was covered up. And honestly, when you remember how dark and foggy those roads were that night, there was like a little bit of snow plus the possibility of drugs being involved. It's not hard to imagine how quickly things could have taken a dangerous turn. Almost every scenario in my mind, though, involves someone else. Mystery Man hasn't come forward.

1:14:40Brit Prawat:So there has got to be a reason for that, right? Like, if he knows what happened, he had to have gotten a ride out of there from someone with or without Brittany. I want to know who else was in that area. I mean, we know detectives didn't even talk to Eric for forever. Like, did they get his phone records? Ashley's? JJ's? Anybody's? I would love to know who was in communication with who that night. Right. Maybe one of them were even out that way. I mean, Google doesn't offer geolocation info to police anymore, but they did for a long time after this case. I want to know what detectives have and who was in that area.

1:15:20Brit Prawat:And as unlikely as it seems, it is possible that there was someone out there who isn't part of Brittany's circle. I mean, there was some like super strange events that happened like out that way after she vanished. Like, for example, a couple of weeks after Brittany goes missing, a woman in a neighboring county reported that someone driving a white Cadillac stole gas off her farm. Seemingly unrelated, right? Well, the ring cam footage of the event ends up being circulated. And that's when some people in town start saying that they can hear Brittany screaming in the background like maybe she was being held captive by the guys who were in this car.

1:16:01Brit Prawat:Even Grandma Vicki reportedly thought that the man who turned out to be the driver of that car resembled Mystery Man. But the man later claimed that it was only a friend asleep in the car who he had, like, startled awake or something. And deputies did process the vehicle, even recovered blood evidence. But when testing came back, the samples belonged to two unidentified men. Dead end. Then there was an abandoned property off of, guess where? Fawn River Road that investigators paid really close attention to. This was like a place tied to rumors, like basically that after the crash, Brittany had been taken there against her will, where she was subsequently assaulted, tortured, and eventually killed.

1:16:45Brit Prawat:There had also been sex trafficking rumors tied to this house, which I think is important to mention knowing what JJ brought up earlier in that body cam footage. And what really like fueled this theory around this house was the fact that it burned down via arson, possibly to try and cover things up? Investigators photographed the scene, searched the property multiple times, even collected evidence all after the fire. And they even found women's underwear that looked like it was the kind that Brit wore, like found near a burn pit. There was a knife with what looked like possible blood stains in the basement, along with more suspicious stains on the basement floor.

1:17:26Brit Prawat:Again, you're thinking like this has to be it. I guess all of it turned out to be nothing. Apparently it wasn't actually blood and likely nothing was connected to this case. And Britt, there is so much more where that came from. Stuff like this. If anyone were to want to go down like a deep rabbit hole, there is this podcast called Hide and Seek, hosted by James Basinger. He is like deep, deep, deep, deep in this case. Has been for literal years. The guy's done like 50 plus episodes just on Britney's case. That's how much there is to this. So anyone who wants can go take a listen. Britney's case was his third season.

1:18:06Brit Prawat:He's in a couple now. I really like the one that he did his first season on Nancy Moyer. So that's Hide and Seek. Go listen. you can go way deeper. You'll hear, I mean, so many stories like this. And like, this is the thing about these stories, like some of them are so detailed and specific and disturbing that part of me wonders, like, how could all of this just be made up? But then there's another part of me that wonders, like, what if what we're really seeing here is just like an entire community trying to make sense of something horrific after one of their own vanished? Because sadly, in worlds shaped by instability and rocky relationships and paranoia, trust disappears fast.

1:18:49Brit Prawat:People hide things. People protect each other. Stories shift. Rumors spread faster than actual facts do. And once fear enters the picture, every coincidence starts feeling sinister. So I keep coming back to the simple things, the Facebook messages that disappeared. How did Britney's gas receipt actually turn up? I think somebody out there really does know exactly what happened to Britney Wallace Schenck that day, November 30th, 2018. And maybe all the accusations and the chaos in the outlandish stories just served another purpose entirely. Maybe it was creating so much noise that detectives would never find the truth buried underneath it.

1:19:34Brit Prawat:But I believe the answers are there. And I believe that the right person can still get to them.

1:20:06Brit Prawat:the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office at 269-467-9045. You can find all the source material for this episode on our website, CrimeJunkie.com.

1:20:20Ashley Flowers:And you can follow us on Instagram at Crime Junkie Podcast.

1:20:23Brit Prawat:We'll be back next week with a brand new episode.

1:20:41Brit Prawat:Crime Junkie is an Audio Chuck production. I think Chuck would approve.

1:20:49Ashley Flowers:Okay, Crime Junkies, you know I absolutely love a twist and a turn, especially when it comes to people who turn out to be someone they're not. That's why I have been obsessed with the podcast Chameleon. Every Thursday, host Josh Dean deep dives into a scam so bizarre, it will leave you wondering how did they get away with that it is truly one of my favorite podcasts right now and i've been listening for years i think you'll love it too listen to chameleon wherever you get your podcasts