MURDERED: Joyce LePage Part 1

15:25Brit Prawat:But, interestingly, if she was stabbed, it wasn't while she was laying on that carpet because apparently there's no blood on it. Her remains were also wrapped in some blankets, including a military U.S. Army Medical Corps blanket. And none of that has blood on it either. Now, there's a pair of women's floral underwear that they found too, either like wrapped up in it or like somewhere nearby. And the underwear had been like sliced on either side. and the only other item of evidence that they find is this fishing wire like twine that was like wrapped around the pelvis. Now this obviously is not the outcome that the LePage family was hoping for but in a way it is a relief.

16:11Brit Prawat:We interviewed Joyce's brother Bruce LePage for this episode. Totally different than her roommate Bruce. This is her brother. And he told us by that time, I mean this is like nine months out, like they had accepted the fact that Joyce was likely gone and her remains being found did allow them to have a funeral and to grieve and to celebrate who she was, this daughter, sister, friend. She was a hardworking farm girl with a freaking pilot's license who liked skydiving and listening to her favorite Steppenwolf record and who, by the way, contained multitudes because she was also studying English lit and attending summer school to be able to graduate faster.

16:51Brit Prawat:Her brother told us that if Joyce had lived, She would have had a full life. He guessed as a teacher or maybe a journalist or a pilot even, and probably a mom. Because just two days before she vanished, Joyce wrote a letter to her parents talking about a friend's baby who had just turned six months old. And in it, she mused that maybe someday she'd have a baby of her own. Like, who knows, she said, the world felt like her oyster. but someone took all of that away from her, from her family, from everyone who loved her and to this day they've gotten away with it but not for a lack of trying on the part of investigators because Joyce's case file is robust.

17:37Brit Prawat:I mean I could spend hours walking you through every step they took, every person they looked at, every lead that they ran down. Lots of it went nowhere But after 55 years, there are several theories that still carry a lot of weight. And I think that says something. So I want to walk you through the different scenarios and the six different suspects whose names have endured decades.

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19:07Brit Prawat:Before I jump into the six theories that have lasted through all these years, let me get something out of the way. because if I don't bring it up, I know the crime junkies are going to come for me. The boyfriend. So Joyce's boyfriend, David Arthur, was for sure in South Africa when she was murdered. No funny business. He isn't even on the table here. And he didn't hire someone or want to take her out. Like from Joyce's letters, it seemed like she was pretty smitten with David. And actually, some people even say that they were low-key engaged to be married. So he had zero means motive opportunity.

19:41Brit Prawat:But there was someone in Joyce's recent dating history who had for sure two of the three of those. Mike Finch. And he's the teacher guy who invited her to chaperone the dance with him that Friday night. He was supposed to see her the very night that she was likely killed. So obviously, that's a guy you got to look at.

20:05Ashley Flowers:Yeah.

20:05Brit Prawat:But on top of that, police had gotten a tip that said that Mike had a habit of hanging around outside Joyce's chemistry lab and like disrupting class. So often that the teacher was about to ban him from coming back.

20:18Ashley Flowers:Also, he's like a grown man with a career. Like, what's he doing? Like, hanging around?

20:24Brit Prawat:Well, he's like, he's kind of a grown man. So like, he had done a stint in the Army and he had just graduated WSU like the year before. So he's not like way older than Joyce or anything. he's 27. Kind of a full grown man. Still, you know, she's in her 20s too. Anyways, police interview Mike, who tells them that he's known Joyce for two years. They had gone out about 10 times, he says, in the year or two before. So he knows her pretty well. And he says that it wasn't just the dance that they were supposed to go to together. They were going to spend the whole weekend together. So he says that he last saw Joyce on Thursday, July 22nd.

21:02Brit Prawat:He was on campus for some reason, and he asked Joyce to chaperone this dance with him and then go to the Waterfollies thing together in Pasco. But Joyce didn't outright say yes. She said, like, how about you call me tomorrow? We can, like, talk about the plans. But he says he called the next day between, like, 630 and 7, right? Like, it's the 70s. You have to schedule when to call somebody. That's when she would be home from her skydiving lesson. But he couldn't get a hold of her. And he makes a point that he called her from a friend's place in Spokane, except she didn't answer. So he called her again and again, but all three times he never got in touch with her.

21:44Brit Prawat:And he tells police that he went to the dance on Saturday as planned, chaperone, thought maybe she would like show up at some point, so he waited, but Joyce never showed up. So he sucked it up and went along with weekend plans without her, which was to go to the Water Follies and then go to Bellingham, Washington for an ag teachers conference where he said he remained for like almost the whole next week. But I don't know about this. Like, can I be honest for a second? Always. So in early iterations of like putting this story together, the Mike Finch section of this was actually like pretty short.

22:19Brit Prawat:It was like he called her, he went to Waterfollies, drove to his conference. And spoiler, even though he wouldn't take a polygraph in the 1970s, he did take one in 2013 and he passed. So police don't really consider him a suspect anymore.

22:31Ashley Flowers:But I am a details gal. I mean, always go a lay a deeper.

22:34Brit Prawat:I don't know if you know this about me. And not everywhere in my life, for sure. But like for case details, like. A thousand percent. I don't care what the final line in the report says. I want to dissect everything. And I cannot make this man's timeline make sense. Now, people before me kind of chalked it up to the fact that Mike was a drinker. And I'll get more into that in a minute. it. And they're also like, well, you know, he didn't have a calendar in front of him. Sometimes it's a little unclear exactly like when he left for Pasco. Like, was it Friday? Was it Saturday? Even the dance? Like sometimes in the reports, the dance reads like it's Friday.

23:10Brit Prawat:Most of the time when Mike's being explicit, he says the dance is Saturday. And determining what is sus and what is typos in old reports is hard because there's literally one part where it says that he left for Pasco Saturday morning at 10 p.m.

23:25Ashley Flowers:Iconically, not in the morning.

23:27Brit Prawat:Which cannot be correct. And on top of that, I think everyone is like, oh, you know, whatever. Like, everything we're talking about is Friday, Saturday. Like, Joyce was killed on Thursday. Right, so, like, these days don't even matter. But I think it could matter a whole f***ing lot because here's what I've pieced together. Mike's story changes, and there's a lot of weird details in between. His first statement was given to police on August 3rd, 1971. This is the day after Joyce is reported missing. And the report states that in a phone call with police, Mike says that he visited Joyce on campus on July 22nd and invited Joyce to the dance.

24:07Brit Prawat:They made arrangements for him to call her at her apartment the next evening to, like, make solid plans. but the loose plan, he says, was for them to attend the dance and then drive to the Tri-Cities for the boat races. But Mike says that when he called Joyce on the evening of the 23rd, she didn't answer. He then waited around until like 10 p.m. and she didn't show, so he says he went to the boat races solo. And then from there, he drove to Bellingham, Washington, where he attended a vocational agricultural teachers convention. When police interviewed Hal and Patty, they're the ones who saw Joyce Thursday night, they said that she was planning to go to the dance on Friday.

24:49Brit Prawat:When they interviewed Joyce's roommate, Bruce, he too knew about the dance, which he said Joyce was planning to go to on Friday. These are all people who are being interviewed like the day after she's reported missing.

25:04Ashley Flowers:And Joyce is the one telling them all this. Is she just mixed up?

25:07Brit Prawat:But why is Mike then saying that too in his first interview? And someone from the school ends up telling police that dances are always on Saturday, never Friday. So the mix-up seems even more strange to me. So then, fast forward to after Joyce's remains are found, but before she's been officially identified. They do a more formal interview with Mike Finch. and his story is a little different and has a lot more details and pay close attention to the details. So he makes it sound a little more like he just happened to run into Joyce that Thursday morning and he told her he's going to the Water Follies and he asked her if she like wanted to go down because you know, I'm already going.

25:54Brit Prawat:She says yes. They make plans for him to call the next day to verify. He does. From Spokane, Washington, he clarifies. This is the first time this comes up. He says he calls from his buddy's place there. She didn't answer. He tries her a few times. From Spokane, he wants to make sure he mentioned that. And then he drives back to his place in Oaksdale. And they go back and forth to verify, like, dates a little bit. And they get back to the 23rd when he called Joyce between 6.30 and 7 p.m.

26:23Ashley Flowers:From Spokane, I'm sure, right? Okay, we get it.

26:27Brit Prawat:Then on Saturday, he says he didn't leave for Pasco to go to the Water Follies until really late. like 1230 at night. So I mean, technically Sunday. But before he drove there, he just stopped by Pullman to drive by Joyce's apartment.

26:44Ashley Flowers:What? He he. Listen. OK, why?

26:47Brit Prawat:Listen, it's not totally out of the way, but you don't drive through Pullman to get to Pascoe. That's for sure. He said he just passed, saw that all the lights were off. It looked like no one was home. So he didn't stop.

27:01Ashley Flowers:I mean, or everyone was asleep. It's midnight.

27:03Brit Prawat:Well, he's asked if her car was there when he drove by and he's like, oh, I can't really remember. Like I wasn't paying attention. Anyways, he says from there he left. He went to Pasco. Oh, and on the way, by the way, he makes a point to say I stopped for gas in Colfax.

27:19Ashley Flowers:Wait, Colfax as in like Colfax where her remains were found.

27:22Brit Prawat:You are correct. They ask him zero follow up questions about his stop in Colfax, but they do press him on something else that doesn't make sense. They say, OK, so she's going to ride with you to the Water Follies and then you were going to go to that teacher's conference in Bellingham because that is still part of his story here. And he's like, yep. So they say, well, then how was Joyce going to get back to Pullman for classes on Monday? If you were her ride. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, oh, like, you know, get back. I guess I would drive her back to Pullman and then I would drive to Bellingham.

27:59Brit Prawat:And the timing and the geography of this makes zero sense to me, because if you're looking at a map, you have Pullman like all the way on the right, on the eastern part of the state. Pasco is two hours southwest, and Bellingham is even way up northwest, right? Way up northwest. Yeah, it's like another five hours. So it makes sense to go from Pasco and the Water Follies right to Bellingham. It makes no sense, however, to drive back to Pullman and then to Bellingham Now, we do lots of things for love, but this wasn't his girlfriend.

28:33Ashley Flowers:I mean, maybe all the more reason, though, because it feels like he's, like, very into her.

28:38Brit Prawat:Like, I think there had to have been something there, right? But, like, the thing is, he is saying to them that they're just friends. Like, yeah, they'd gone out a few times before, but they both decided it was mutual. They were just friends. But, like, Mike, come on. Come on. Like, why else are you asking her to be your date to, like, spend the weekend together?

29:00Ashley Flowers:And hang around all of her classes all the time when you no longer go to school there.

29:05Brit Prawat:Well, he did. I think he was, like, taking a summer class at one point. So, like, he had a reason to be on campus. But, like. He denied the accusation about disrupting her chemistry class. But he did admit to hanging around campus on occasion. For people in Joyce's life who knew Mike Finch, opinions are mixed. Some say that he's a big teddy bear. Others say he is crass when he drinks, which he does a lot.

29:30Ashley Flowers:And both can be true.

29:32Brit Prawat:I think both probably were true. Joyce's friend Jan, who had also dated Mike, by the way, is quoted in the case files saying, the more you knew Mike Finch, the less you liked him.

29:44Ashley Flowers:That's ominous.

29:46Brit Prawat:But there's no elaboration. She just said that when Mike was drunk, he was very foul-mouthed beyond belief. Now, police also interviewed the principal at Oaksdale High, where Finch was an agriculture teacher. Lost art, by the way. And the principal says that Finch does a good job at school, but he said it's no secret that he is a heavy drinker.

30:07Ashley Flowers:And if your boss knows you have a problem, then, sir, you might have a problem.

30:11Brit Prawat:But, he says, the only time he's seen him have a violent temper was when he was sober.

30:16Ashley Flowers:Which, okay, but that's not helping the situation at all.

30:20Brit Prawat:But again, no elaboration where I wish there was one. Know what else there is no mention of? Whether or not his alibis check out. And I should be clear, like, he doesn't have an alibi for Thursday. Like, the real night in question. Because Friday morning is when the carpet goes missing. She's found in the carpet. So presumably, she's already dead by Friday. For the life of him, he cannot remember what he was doing that night.

30:53Ashley Flowers:But he definitely knows the time he called her from Spokane when he left for Pasco. Right. Where he stopped for gas. He knows all this stuff about the following two days. But that particular night, nothing.

31:04Brit Prawat:Now, they did verify with that friend in Spokane that Mike was there Friday night and that he thinks Mike tried calling a girl. But the guy says that Mike had no special feelings for Joyce. They also tried to talk to someone at the school to verify that Mike had chaperoned the dance. Yeah. They confirmed there was a dance on Saturday. But the person they're talking to doesn't know if they kept records on who was chaperoning. Because, again, they're not, like, really looking into this until, like, a year out after her body's been found. The guy says basically he's going to have to check and get back to detectives.

31:38Brit Prawat:But there's no follow-up in the file.

31:41Ashley Flowers:Okay. Was he at the Waterfollies? Did he go to the conference? Like, there's other things.

31:45Brit Prawat:There's mentions of police, like, saying they want to find out about these, like, a few years down the line. But I don't see in the case file where they ever got any answers. I do see where they looked up his criminal history, though. They found that he did have public intoxication and resisting arrest charges from five years before. And interestingly, a few weeks after Joyce vanished, Mike got into a rollover accident while driving. He, like, totaled his car. Now, back in the day, police asked Mike to take a polygraph in Joyce's case. He initially agreed, but instead he got an attorney and then declined further participation, which only makes him more suspicious to some investigators.

32:29Brit Prawat:Other things make them suspicious of him, too. Like, remember the military blanket that Joyce was wrapped in? Mike was in the Army. This makes some investigators keep their sights on him as the primary suspect for years, though they never seem to be able to pin anything on him. Now, there is a moment, though, when they wonder if they've got it all wrong. And that's in 1977, after a certain Pacific Northwest serial killer is arrested and begins confessing to murders of college co-eds.

33:03Ashley Flowers:Enter one Theodore Bundy.

33:05Brit Prawat:His name is in Joyce's case file as a person of interest, but not until after his arrest. So he was first arrested in 1975. And then in 1977, a tip made its way to police that said Bundy had supposedly stayed on WSU's campus the weekend that Joyce was killed. But there was no way to prove that six years later. Also, people kept saying that there was like VW bugs around campus, which like some say lent credence to this series.

33:35Ashley Flowers:Right, because Ted Bundy drove a VW bug, but so did everyone in 1971.

33:40Brit Prawat:Literally, including Mike Finch. Oh, OK.

33:42Ashley Flowers:But isn't Joyce's case a little early for Ted Bundy, though?

33:46Brit Prawat:Maybe. So Bundy's first confirmed killing was in 1974. But authorities have speculated that he may have started murdering people like in the 60s. So that leaves the door open. And because we're talking about a victim who was like his profile type in the Pacific Northwest, which was like a hunting ground for him, his name, I think, will always come up until they can rule him in or out. But if you believe the word of a serial killer, it should be out. Because before Bundy was electrocuted in 1989, he was asked about Joyce's murder and he denied any involvement. It's still totally possible that he was involved.

34:29Brit Prawat:But of the few theories that have survived, I think it's the least probable. And Sheriff Myers agrees with that. Bundy would have had to have just been like randomly passing through campus late at night on July 22, 1971.

34:45Ashley Flowers:Right, like it's much more likely it was someone that Joyce knew.

34:48Brit Prawat:Or someone who for sure knew where she was going to be. So maybe for that reason, Mike Finch stayed on police's radar for a very long time. They would try to revisit him, but he pretty much stopped cooperating once he got that lawyer. But just in 2013, they finally broke through. Mike agreed to be re-interviewed, and that time is when he took a polygraph. And his memory then, as he is interviewed, is a little bit different. So by 2013, he's saying Joyce asked him if he was going to go to Pasco for the boat races. And when he said yes, she asked if she could hitch a ride with him. He told her that's fine as long as she could find her own ride back because he had to go to that ag teachers conference the next day.

35:38Brit Prawat:This time, he doesn't mention calling her on Friday, but he does say that Saturday he drove to pick her up. She wasn't home. So he drove to the airport to see if she was still at her skydiving lesson.

35:50Ashley Flowers:Wait, what time is this?

35:52Brit Prawat:In this version, it's earlier. He says that when she wasn't there, he drove back to his place in Oaksdale because he figured it was too early to go to Pasco. Remember, before he said that he drove by her place, then went like straight there, like really late at night. So he says he drives back to his place. He waits around, has a couple of beers outside his house with a local farmer friend. And then he left. And he says he didn't know he was a prime suspect all these years. And all that time might have warped his memories, as time tends to do. But he still says he had nothing to do with her disappearance or murder.

36:28Brit Prawat:And he finally agrees to take the polygraph, and he passes. Mike Finch died in 2024. And investigators today more or less consider him cleared. They can't connect him to anything from the scene. and they can't put him with Joyce or around Stevens Hall on Thursday, July 22, 1971. So maybe it would be better to look at someone we know, for a fact, was near Stevens Hall that night. A man who police had on their radar when Joyce was still just a missing person.

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37:44Brit Prawat:The first indication that anything was amiss on campus wasn't the report that Joyce was missing. It was that report that they'd gotten of the missing carpet in Stevens Hall. And while Joyce was an early suspect in the carpet theft because her belongings were found in the building, there was one other suspect, a contract worker named Robert Lauren Johnson, who was laying tile that summer in what was then Arts Hall, which is a building just like 100, maybe 200 yards from Stevens Hall. And it turns out he was working late the night of July 22nd and actually ended up working until like 2.30 a.m. and just stayed the night there.

38:25Brit Prawat:Now, he became a suspect in the carpet theft because an off-campus police officer saw his car parked outside Stevens Hall in the middle of the night. And the theory for Robert in terms of Joyce's disappearance is that maybe after Joyce said goodbye to Hal and Patty, she snuck to Stevens Hall like she'd been doing on previous nights. We know from Joyce's own letters that a worker had stumbled upon her poaching the head resident's bed. Who was that worker? Was it Robert? Was it someone who maybe told Robert about it? Someone knew that she was there. More than just the one incident she wrote about in that letter, because police ended up hearing a rumor that had been going around that one of the men working in Arts Hall, where Robert was laying tile, had reportedly been messing around with a girl from Stevens Hall that summer.

39:20Ashley Flowers:And Joyce is literally the only one staying in Stevens Hall. Exactly.

39:24Brit Prawat:But they were never able to determine where this rumor originated or who it was about. I mean, yes, presumably Joyce, but who was the man? When police interviewed Robert, he said he had nothing to do with Joyce's disappearance. He did admit that he was working in the dorms that week, mostly by himself. And the only people he saw was a security guard around 8 p.m. the night before. And then the night of the 22nd, he saw a few contractor buddies who came by from another job after midnight and brought him a burger. He says they left at like 1 a.m. He kept working until like 2 or 2.30. And because he was anxious to get the job done, he just like slept on the floor and then continued working a few hours later when he woke up.

40:09Ashley Flowers:Worried because a chunk of your night was spent doing something else or?

40:13Brit Prawat:Well, Robert, who, by the way, was married with kids, took and passed a polygraph in the early days of the investigation. So that was pretty much that. There weren't really any red flags in his background for them to, like, keep pursuing him for any reason. And then he ended up dying just a few years later.

40:32Ashley Flowers:Okay, if he wasn't involved and he's up, like, all night working. Most of the night. Okay, most of the night working. Wouldn't he have heard, like, screaming or something if Joyce had been attacked, like, a hundred yards away?

40:45Brit Prawat:If there was screaming, maybe. I mean, Robert talked about hearing a party or, like, something that night. So it seems like sound traveled there. And Sheriff Myers told us that you can, like, hear parties happening from across town, especially in the summer. But, I mean, we don't know what happened. Maybe Joyce didn't have a chance to scream.

41:03Ashley Flowers:Okay, but she had to have been attacked in Stevens Hall, right? Like, she's wrapped in the missing carpet when she's found.

41:08Brit Prawat:I mean, to me, it seems like the most likely scenario because I really don't know why else you would go there and take the carpet if you're not already there.

41:15Ashley Flowers:I mean, might help to hide and transport the body.

41:19Brit Prawat:Sure. But like, I don't think you kill her somewhere else. Then go to this hall, cut out a square carpet. Like, there's no other way.

41:25Ashley Flowers:And like, go to this hall where she was like kind of secretly known to have been staying. I don't know. Like that she was associated with. And it was taken from the front lobby of the building, right?

41:35Brit Prawat:It was taken from, they called it the lounge, like this hangout area of the building. There's actually this hand-drawn diagram of the room in the case file. It doesn't give like precise details, but our producer licensed some old photos from WSU of the interior. And one of them shows the room with a piano in it. And like we know from her letters, like she would go, she would play piano. So, like, I don't know. Like, it just seems like something happened in that room where she was known to hang out. And this room is like a decent size. And it is kind of at the front entrance on the main floor. But listen, we know Joyce got in and out of the building through a window in the head residence room where she was sleeping.

42:17Ashley Flowers:OK, but like we know she's staying there. She has a way in and out, kind of. How would Robert have gotten into Stevens Hall?

42:24Brit Prawat:I mean, like, I don't know if he had a key or anything, But like he could have gotten in the same way she did. Like she's sneaking in through a window. Anyone could have snuck in the same way she's getting in. Or she could have let someone in. But there are a couple of things that make sense for a suspect like Robert. Someone who maybe had opportunity but not like a deep motive or history with the victim. So like hear me out. So the place is what would tie him to Joyce. Right. Like he can't untangle himself from the dorms. People know he was there. He was working. He had scheduled work to get done.

42:59Brit Prawat:So he would have to remove Joyce from the place. Her body can't be found there. Her car cannot be found there. You need people looking elsewhere for her. But maybe you don't know her enough to know that she told a lot of people about staying there. Like, you don't know her enough to know that her books and letters are still there in the building.

43:18Ashley Flowers:Well, and I kind of forgot about her car being moved.

43:20Brit Prawat:Well, technically, we don't know that it was moved. But if we believe that she went to Stevens Hall herself and then she was killed in Stevens Hall, then yeah, how did her car get outside that frat house?

43:32Ashley Flowers:And what was the parking situation like back then? Like, was that just a good spot so she didn't, like, draw attention to the fact that she was squatting there?

43:40Brit Prawat:No, no. So if you, like, picture a triangle, her car is, like, at the top, her apartment is, like, the bottom left, and Stevens Hall is bottom right. So it's not like you drive past it or it's, like, on your route driving there. So to me, that doesn't make sense for a place to park. For her to store it there. Even if she's trying to get people not to see her. I don't know. It doesn't make sense. But since there are no mention of processing fingerprints when they found the car, we don't know if someone else drove it there. But there actually is the option that she did. I mean, she could have because her car location is actually what leads us to the next theory, the meditation group.

44:22Brit Prawat:Because even though Joyce didn't know anyone at the frat house, she did know a group of people just a couple houses away, actually. And she was planning on moving into that house right before she died. And the people in that house, one of them at least, has a dark secret that Joyce recently learned about and she had shared it in a letter to a friend. I discovered that **** one stayed at a mental institution for trying to strangle people. That is next week in part two of Joyce LePage's story. You can listen to that right now if you are part of the Crime Junkie fan club. Just go to CrimeJunkie.com to join.

45:07Brit Prawat:Otherwise, we will see you next week.

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