MURDERED: Peggy Hettrick Part 1

27:05So the police don't let up. They are pulling him out of class. They're telling his teachers that he is a dangerous individual suspected of murder, which obviously doesn't stay with just the teachers. Tim said that at one point, I mean, he would be walking down the hall and kids would go to the other side because they didn't want to walk next to the kids suspected of murder. And he wasn't just getting it at school. It was coming at him from all angles. I mean, every day for the first month of the investigation, the newspaper would show up at their house, and the front page was about Peggy's case, how they had one singular suspect that they were honing in on.

27:45But Tim wouldn't break in all that time. And he had answers for a lot of things. So, yes, his shoe prints were in the field, but he walks through that field. And his prints were not the critical ones, those Tom McCann dress shoes. His, the closest it came was like five to seven feet away from Peggy, which is like where he said he was walking and saw her. And he said, yeah, I knew her nipple had been removed, but not because I saw it or did it. A girl in my art class told me about it. Well, and the police had kids out looking for the nipple. Kids talk. Yes. The blood that they found on his pants turned out to be his own blood.

28:25The knives that they collected from his room, his whole knife collection, none of them could be connected to be the murder weapon. And there were unidentified prints found on Peggy's purse and unidentified hairs found on her, none of which belonged to Tim. So they had no choice but at some point to cast a wider net. And they would look at some other people but quickly rule them out. So it's not surprising that this case cooled off pretty quickly. Which was so frustrating for Peggy's family. And you know, it's so, like, what I found so, like, revealing, and I see this in a lot of cases, but it was just so clear in this one to me.

29:10When someone dies, there's like this 2D version of them that gets left behind, especially when it's, you know, back in the 80s or whatever. It's like you get a couple of lines in a newspaper about who Peggy was. And that's all I had to go off of when I first started looking into this case. And I want to give our listeners a sense of it. So if you would read what was published about her. Mm-hmm. Police identified her as Peggy Hetrick, 37, college dropout, bar hopper, and aspiring writer who worked at the Fashion Bar, a nearby clothing store. Her friends privately worried something horrible would happen to her, given her late-night impulses, her jealousies, her appetite for adventure.

29:48Sometimes she would head out into the night just to collect details for the book she was writing or to spy on her boyfriend. And that is so far from the Peggy that I've come to know through her brother Tom over the last year and a half. Because that like college dropout who worked at a clothing store, she was brilliant. She had this like college sweetheart named Frank who she was madly in love with. They were planning a future. They were going to get married and have kids. It was going to be a bright future. When I say she's brilliant, I mean this woman spoke four different languages. She traveled all over the world.

30:26Her family and her lived in other countries. She was writing this novel. But then her life took this hard left turn when Frank, her fiance, like died suddenly and unexpectedly. And then a couple of years later, her mom died. And I think she was probably trying to figure out what this new version of her future looked like. And so her and her dad and her brother, they moved around a little and kind of bopped all over. They ended up in Hawaii at one point. They all kind of got island fever and eventually decided to come back to the States. And when they did come back, they split up. So her brother and her dad went to Florida and Peggy went to Colorado, probably because like they'd lived there before.

31:08It felt familiar to her. And I know that no one sees something like this coming, but there's something about the timing of this that feels especially cruel. because just two days before Peggy was murdered, she called her dad and she told him, Dad, I had this dream that I moved to Florida to be with you. Like, I was so happy. I feel like that's where I'm supposed to be. Can I move there to Florida? And her dad said, of course. Like, wherever we are, you are welcome. Like, that is your home. But Peggy couldn't just drop the phone and go. Like, that's not real life. she had a job, she had an apartment, she had all these things that she would have to wrap up.

31:52But fast forward two days, and instead of helping her plan a move, her dad and her brother were now planning her funeral. You feel like you've fallen into an abyss. One day you have sure footing, and things are stable, and she's going to be down there, and our friends down there, we're going to find her a job to help her find a job, and she was going to live with us and be a bright spot in the house and we'd be a family to an abyss. Like going into the ocean, you can't breathe and you just sink away, far away without stopping. And so now your life has changed forever. What do you do? You know, you know, hopes and desires are they go out the window.

32:47Now you have to start a new life. And then after that, you know, my dad started to get sick. Now I'm dealing with my dad that is dying because the doctor pulled me in. He said, your dad maybe has six months. And I just looked at him. I said, what? So Tom and his dad, they end up moving to Colorado. so Tom could take care of his dad, also so they could be close to the investigation. But they weren't really getting a ton of updates. I mean, they kind of just got the party line, like this is active and ongoing. But that became harder and harder to believe as a lot of time went on and really hard to believe when out of nowhere, Tom gets this call from someone at the police department who's like, hey, we have a bunch of your sister's stuff.

33:35Like if you want to come get it, like we'll probably just get rid of it, like up to you. Which the only thing police would have that belonged to Peggy is evidence. Fully evidence. But he's like, yeah, we'll take anything you have. So he goes down to the police station. They take him to this like garage across the street where they pull up the doors and they pull out two plastic bags with two paper bags inside and just hand it to him. And when he gets home, him and his family start to like open it up and go through it. But they realize, I mean, this stuff still has blood spatter on it. So they have this moment where they're like, I'm pretty sure we shouldn't have this.

34:10And they kind of try their best they can to package it back up and store it in case. But in case of what? Because nobody comes asking about the evidence. Nobody comes asking about Peggy. And most of the updates that they're getting are from the media. When those even happen, few and far between. So it seems like nothing on the surface is happening. And behind the scenes, it's really a lot of the same. Jim Broderick is still convinced that Tim Masters killed Peggy. And in all that time, where it's years now, Tim had been busy growing up. When he was 18, he joined the Navy, just like his dad. And for him, this was his chance to start over, to like have a clean slate, to not be the kid suspected of murder.

34:57Like he could go, put his head down, do the work. And that's what he did. Day in, day out, month after month, year after year, all the way up until 1992. I'm told to report to the Master at Arms first thing in the morning the next day. They're like, well, this is weird. I report to the Master at Arms office the next day, and the E-4 that's assigned to escort me somewhere is like, should I put him in handcuffs? They're like, no, no, that's not necessary. I'm going, what the hell? handcuffs, he takes me over to the Navy Intelligence Office in Philadelphia, and there I'm met by three detectives from Fort Collins Police, Hal Dean, Jim Broderick, and Linda Wheeler.

35:48And I proceeded to endure about a day and a half of interrogations. I didn't recognize them right, I didn't know Linda Wheeler. I didn't recognize him until so so Jim Broderick had this habit of wearing like reddish color deodorant and he had pit stains and when I saw the pit stains I recognized him and so I remember my thought was what the hell I can't believe five years later I'm still being harassed over this I didn't have anything to do with this and then but I was still under the mindset of, especially, I'm just an E-4 in the Navy. I really respected, I really treated authority with respect and Linda Holloway, well, she's Linda Wheeler at the time, Jim Broderick, they were still authority.

36:41I still treated them with respect and I kept telling myself they're just doing their job. After the interview with Linda Wheeler, I had put it all behind me. I thought it was over and I thought the Fort Collins Police knew I didn't do it. So I didn't even think about it. When investigators came out of that meeting with Tim, they were split in their thinking. I don't know what Hal thought, but Linda left thinking, no, like this isn't our guy. We've got this all wrong. Jim Broderick, though, was more convinced than ever. So in 1996, he reopens the investigation. And after some time, by golly, he's got it.

37:24And so on August 10th, 1998, 27-year-old Tim is at home in California. He's out of the Navy by this point. And he gets this knock on his door. And he gets up to get it. Before he can reach the door, the door is open. And there is this police officer standing right in front of him. And he said, are you Tim Masters? I said, yeah. He said, you're under arrest. I said, what? What for? And he wouldn't tell me. And he handcuffed me. and as he's taking me out the door, Jim Broderick meets me there and he goes, you're under arrest for the murder of Peggy Hetrick. And I went, what the hell? You gotta be kidding me.

38:05It was a complete shock. It was a shock to everyone. I mean, like, I think people were looking like side to side, like, wait, what did we miss? What do they have that they didn't have before? What's new? Yeah. Well, Tim goes to county to talk to his lawyer and he realizes nothing. What they have are his drawings and a star witness to talk about the drawings. Lieutenant Broderick provided me with approximately 2 ,200 pages of drawings and narratives produced by this young man before and immediately after the sexual homicide. This is a voluminous amount of material. In my 18 years of doing this kind of work, I have never seen such voluminous productions by a suspect in a sexual homicide.

39:02And that tells us that he was preoccupied with sexual violence, with violence, with sexually sadistic images, with images of domination and degradation of women, and he was also fascinated by knives. After spending six months on the case, I felt I understood the motivations for this homicide and that I had become convinced that Timothy Masters was the individual that had committed this homicide. Reed Malloy, without ever having spoken to Tim in those six months, decided that Tim killed Peggy and specifically that it was a case of displaced matricide. matricide. Which matricide is killing your mom and displaced in this case would mean like Peggy equals Tim's mom?

39:53Yes. And it's not like Tim hated his. He loved his mom. Right. Like we haven't talked about his mom, though, because by the time Peggy was murdered, his mom had been dead for four years and it was really unexpected. Like his mom got sick. His dad was like, I'm going to take her to the hospital. And then she just never came home. I mean, I think they thought she had the flu or something, which, as you can imagine, is super traumatic for a young kid, super formative. And it did happen. Her death happened almost like four years to the day of Peggy's murder. So the theory became that Tim was so upset that he became angry with his mom for abandoning him.

40:33And he, for some reason, is out there in this field in the wee morning hours. and he sees Peggy walking home and he sees specifically Peggy's red hair and it triggers him. It reminds him of his mom's red hair and he lashes out and kills her. Which like is a theory, but if you're watching on YouTube, you can see it. If you're listening on the app, it just popped up. His mom doesn't have red hair, Ashley? She does not even have red hair. Like this is what's wild. Her hair looks brown in this picture and no one cares. This is what they go to trial with. They go to trial with the drawings, this expert witness to talk about the drawings.

41:13And the defense in all of this, like throughout the trial, only calls one expert witness, not because they're doing a bad job. Because there's nothing else to like refute. Their one expert witness is just to refute the drawing stuff. So it feels like there's no case here. And it feels like everyone can see where this is going. As I was standing. as I was standing there, I was thinking I'm going home. I'll be going home after today.

41:43Yeah. And then the jury came out, and I kind of knew something was off. None of the jury would make eye contact with me. Like, oh, God. And then the judge asked, have you reached a verdict? And the foreperson on the jury says, we have. And they hand it to the judge, and the judge reads it. Tim Masters, you have been found guilty. And so the media at the time described me as being completely emotionless as the verdict is read. It wasn't a lack of emotion. It was complete shock. Like, oh my God, I can't believe this. I just got convicted of murder. They cuffed me. They took me to the county jail.

42:30And now I know I'm going to prison. So the judge sentenced me to life in prison with possibility of parole after 40 years. Oh, it was awful. It was like a world-ending event. Like, your life is over. Over the past year, Brett, we've covered more potential and confirmed wrongful convictions than I think ever before. And we've been really fortunate to like play some roles in, I mean, like James Rios's exoneration. We just this last year did a$1 million endowment to help start the Indiana branch of the Innocence Project because we're realizing that this is happening all the time. And it's not always this obvious as it is in Tim's case, but it is happening and we have to fix it.

43:22And I don't mean you and me sitting here on this couch like in our studio. I mean we as in the crime junkie community. You guys listening, you are the jurors. You are the voters. You are the ones in your community making change, making decisions, making things happen. And I know that it can feel so overwhelming. Like anytime there is a big problem and you realize a system is broken, it's like, how am I as one person going to fix this? but it takes one person and you don't have to fix it like overnight like that's not how stuff happens right like you have to find the one thing that you care about and just take the one next step and in this one I mean to figure out who killed Peggy Hetrick the thing is Tim's wrongful conviction and in a weird twist that we don't see very often even Peggy's family wasn't super sold on the idea that Tim did it.

44:22I mean, they sat through the trial, and at the end, they, like, didn't understand a conviction just based on drawings, but they had this mentality of something that we've said on the show before. Like, well, there must be something the police know that we don't know. They couldn't have taken him to trial, convicted him on just this. Right, they wouldn't have arrested him just on that. But they could, they would, and they did. And so Tim gets carted off to Buena Vista Correctional Complex, where every day he wakes up in a cage for a crime he didn't commit. He takes classes. He works out. He gets a job in prison.

44:56All the while, his defense team is filing appeal after appeal. Appeals that are getting denied by the Court of Appeals. Appeals that get denied by the Supreme Court of Colorado. Which we talk about appeals a lot in our episodes, but I think it's easy to forget how expensive it is. It costs money to fight for your life like this. Exactly. Which is why at some point Tim no longer even has lawyers and he's doing more appeals on his own, which if he wasn't optimistic before, I mean, the system like took any optimism out of him. But lawyers couldn't get these things through the court system. Like he's learning how to file an appeal for the first time at the same time he's trying to learn how to use Microsoft Word.

45:36He is less optimistic than ever. And what happened to Tim and what happened to Peggy? I mean, it not only changed Tim's life and Tim's outlook, it changed the lives and outlook of so many people, including Linda Wheeler, one of the early detectives. She saw what happened and she was so upset by it because not only did she believe he shouldn't have been convicted in the first place, but then to watch these appeals, these systems we have in place for checks and balances to not work. She said she did get that feeling I was talking about earlier where it's like the system is so broken. What am I as one person going to do to help it even even on the inside?

46:22Right. And she got so discouraged that she ended up turning in her badge. She had a complete career change because she just felt so overwhelmed by it. But it is just one person that changes everything in this case. and this is my like shout to crime junkies because it's not an FBI agent. It's not a detective. It's not anyone with a badge or a lawyer. It is a random CPA named Taylor Maris who is just like you and me and everyone listening. One day he was watching this crime show, one of those crime shows we all grew up on and as he's watching it, he's like, he sees the drawings, right? And he has this moment where he's like, oh, like I too made drawings I wouldn't want the world to see, but like I'm not a killer.

47:12And he said that as he's watching, he kept waiting for that moment for them to like show the thing that makes him guilty, makes Tim guilty. Like what's the piece of evidence? And he's like, I'm waiting, I'm waiting. And then the show ends. And after it ends, he's like, oh, my God, like someone should do something. I should do something. And so he takes just that one next step. He didn't know what to do, but his one next step is he wrote to Tim in prison. And he's like, listen, I see it. Like, how can I help? And Tim's like, man, I don't know. But if there is someone that can help, you have to get Linda Wheeler.

47:45Go talk to Linda Wheeler. So Taylor takes the next step and he writes to Linda. He said, you know, you don't know me, but do you remember Tim Masters? I said, sure. He goes, well, do you think he's possibly innocent? And I said, yeah, I really do. But what can I do? I'm done. I'm not even a cop anymore. And he said, I talked with him. I just communicated with him by a letter. And he said, I bought all the transcripts of the trial,$900 worth. But he said, they don't mean anything to me because I don't read legalese. He said, can I send them to you? And for the first time, I sat there and read what happened at the trial.

48:26And I was infuriated because I knew this case. and I knew the jury had not heard the truth. And at that point I went, okay. So I contacted Maria Liu, who was Tim's attorney. And I said, you want my help? They said, yeah. I said, okay. But I know what I had to do is I had to put back on a badge because I knew I wouldn't have any credibility as a civilian. Now, as you can imagine, Fort Collins PD is not like welcoming Linda back with open arms. She's telling them they're wrong. Yeah, she's trying to like upend a case that they're like overdone with. It's solved. Yeah. So she ends up going to work for a DA's office with the understanding that she's going to work on Tim's case part time.

49:11Now, she knows by now a lot of time has passed. And if they're going to point the finger at someone else or even just prove Tim didn't do it, the best way to do that is DNA. Something they didn't have access to in 1987, but they do now. And she remembers meeting this woman named Selma at a conference before. And Selma and her husband Richard have this independent lab out in Holland. And independent is key because at this point they trust freaking nobody. And so now the wild part is like they can't just go testing stuff. Like most crime junkies will know this. But if you were wrongfully convicted and you think there's DNA evidence, you do not have the right to just test it on your own.

49:53The prosecution essentially owns the rights to the evidence against you. Yeah, the people who put you there. Now, luckily, there's been enough like sus stuff happening that Fort Collins PD has recused themselves. Larimer County, which is the DA's office, has recused themselves. So there is a new DA that they're going to have to appeal to, a guy named Don Quick. And they're hoping like this guy has no dog in the fight other than just wanting justice. So Selma and Richard come to the U.S. They do this like four hour presentation in front of Don Quick. And by the end of it, Don's like, yes, I love you.

50:27Love the lab. Love what you're doing. Like, go justice. But then guess what happens next? That DNA evidence they were going to send off gets destroyed. And I just want to point out exactly what you said. This happens next. So this evidence destruction happens after they get permission to test it. It's not like, oops, we don't have the evidence anymore. It's gone. It's, oh, you want it? We're getting rid of it. Which is like they were already, Tim and his team were already suspicious that something sus was going on. And now they're more sure of it than ever. So they do end up finding some stuff that they can send off.

51:07At some point, they had gone back to Tom and gotten the stuff that they gave back to him. The stuff, the evidence. They're like, you shouldn't have this. He's like, I know. So they like at least collect that. Thank God he saved it. And they end up sending some stuff off for testing. And at the same time, because they're convinced something like very fishy is going on, his lawyers make a request for a new trial based on the accusation that Tim's rights were violated. And they make four important points in this filing. Number one, they say crucial evidence was withheld from Tim's defense team. And they point to two things.

51:43They say specifically the prints, and I think they're talking about the shoe prints in the field, the Tom McCann ones by the pool of blood on the curb. Apparently they never knew, like his defense team never knew that those existed. The second thing that they didn't know existed was that first FBI profile that the police had done that said, Tim is not your guy. Didn't know that that was a thing that kind of just went away, which would have been really helpful in a trial. Their second point in this filing was the whole DNA destruction thing. There's that. There's that. And then the third is apparently there was like a mishandling of some skin cell DNA that they had.

52:20So some evidence that they had, but, you know, not only are you destroying things, then you're mishandling things. Like so much is useless. The fourth is that they ignored viable suspects, other viable suspects who were not Tim. Because make no mistake, they did not just pick Tim out of a void. There were other people that looked a lot more promising than Tim that his defense team never knew about. And I'm going to be getting into those people in a moment. But those are their four points. And as they're uncovering all this and filing this, I mean, they found out other things as well. Like the police were basically waging psychological warfare on this kid.

53:03So remember how I told you that in the first month of the investigation, you know, the newspaper showing up every day. It's like we've got our guy. We're honing in. Turns out that was not real. The Fort Collins police was making a fake front page of the newspaper, just one, putting it on the newspaper and delivering that newspaper to Tim's house. Literal fake news on his doorstep. And their whole theory about matricide, right, is Tim's like so upset about his mother's death that it caused all of this. Clearly, they know that he would be upset. They had his mother's obituary reprinted over and over.

53:41They would cut it out, put it in envelopes, and then leave those envelopes around for Tim to find. And then when that didn't work in the very first early days or whatever, come the one-year anniversary of Peggy's murder, they concocted this scheme. Some might call it an operation. I say no. It's a scheme. And a lot of the paper trail of this has been lost along the way, like so much in this case. Convenient. But what is left behind is just, it's bizarre. So Fort Collins authorities basically reached out to the FBI around the one year anniversary and was like, hey, we feel like we have this guy.

54:21We can't prove that he's violent, but we feel like if we put him in the right situation, we can push him to be and other people will see what we see. But we're afraid that if we push him too far, like, ooh, like he might kill someone again. So we need you watching him. But if it goes too far, you have to pretend like this didn't happen. We didn't do this. You didn't do this. Like, we all had nothing to do with whatever it is he does. And the FBI is like, got it. And they're like, yeah, but also if he does nothing and we look dumb. Can't have that happen. Yeah. Like, pretend it didn't happen. And they're like, got it.

55:00And obviously nothing happened. But it just shows you like the mind games they were playing with this at the time. Kid. Child. Yes. So this request for a new trial gets filed. The DNA stuff gets sent off. And even now, Tim is still not optimistic. Like everything that can go wrong for him has. Why would this be any different? Even when everyone around him is telling him they think it will be. so I'm in the unit all of a sudden the whole facility locks down for some reason and they lock down a lot you just assume a fight broke out somewhere somebody got hurt whatever so I'm sitting in my cell and my case manager comes up while everybody's locked down and he says Tim your lawyer just called she wants you to call her back okay I'm locked down what am I gonna do he says I'll try and get you out here in a minute so he goes down then he comes back a little bit later they take me out or no he goes back down to talk about it and the news comes on and there's an announcement from the special prosecutors in my case and they announced that they're going to dismiss the case against me and I'll be released on a PR bond and I'm like and everybody in the unit was cheering yeah you're going home masters you're out of here I'm like wait a minute wait a minute I'm going to talk to the lawyer later today we'll find out for sure because at this point I'm so pessimistic I don't even believe what I just saw on the news and then I go to I go down to the case manager's office he calls my lawyer Maria Lu and she says you're out of there they're letting you go

56:43so ironically I made it I wasn't in prison for quite 10 years but I was in there almost 10 years and oh man it was it was weird they they had uh my lawyers bought me a suit out of their own pocket and uh i got to wear a suit they talked the sheriff into letting letting them release me from the courthouse rather than coming back to the county jail to be processed so i went in there and they released me out of the court that never happens in colorado if you get released you got to go back to the county jail wait around while they process you and they let them release me from the courthouse. My entire family was there.

57:25My family was so big that they couldn't fit in the courtroom and the courtroom was packed anyway with people. So they had my family go back in the judge's chambers and when the hearing started to release me, all my family started walking out and there was my sister. I almost broke out in tears when I saw my sister. It was a good day. That good day was January 22nd, 2008. He was let out of prison. Charges were dropped. But crime junkies know that doesn't mean he's considered to be innocent. And the DA can refile charges if they want to. Well, they definitely don't want to. At some point, the DNA stuff that they had sent off comes back with a couple of partial profiles.

58:10None of it matches Tim. And the case that they had built, even the little bit of one they had, is like falling apart, right? Like the people were hiding things. They were lying. Like his rights were violated. So by June of 2011, Tim is fully exonerated. And he goes on to sue a lot of the people who helped put him in prison for so long, including Jim Broderick and Jolene Blair and Terry Gilmore. Terry and Jolene were the prosecutors at the time. But by the time Tim is suing them, they were judges. And what I find so interesting is that in this time when Jim is being sued or even looked into, he's on paid leave.

58:55After two years, he ends up resigning. And even though two grand juries find him guilty of perjury, the charges get dropped. And the judges, at least this is happening during an election year, they don't get reelected. But they don't get so much as a slap on the wrist. The other big win is for Tim, is he gets to settle for about$10 million, which is great for him. I keep wondering, like, why is no one asking who else? Right. Like, they're not looking in to the prosecutors at the time. And just so you know, like, those three weren't the only ones Tim sued. He sued, like, the city. He sued a lot of people.

59:37Those are just, like, the three main people. But no one is asking if this happened to anyone else. It's like they, you know, they had they paid him out and they just wanted this to go away. Now, obviously, we reached out to Jim Broderick, Jolene Blair, Terry Gilmore for a statement. Didn't hear back from Jim Broderick. Jolene Blair said she didn't want to talk about the case. Terry Gilmore, actually, for the longest time, we didn't hear back from until like midway through the tour. And what he said was basically that he really believed in Tim's guilt at the time. He said that the way the system worked and the way that like evidence was numbered or copied or whatever, it should have been really obvious if something was missing.

1:00:18And when we asked him what he thought about Tim's guilt or innocence now, he wouldn't tell us. So that's what he has to say. And in an interesting piece of gossip that has nothing to do with this. obviously when we were like when we look up people to like try and figure out where they are we like try phone numbers we try emails facebook is like a great way to like reach people for comment it turned out now jim broderick and jolene blair are dating and went to italy like it's wild it has nothing to do with this case but it's something that we know i know i know and and i was like maybe i'm being like like a petty betty but when i told people on tour the collective like gasp i was like Like, oh, no, yeah, they're here for the goss too.

1:01:00So they're living their lives again. No repercussions there. And Tim, all he wanted was to move on and live his life as well. So when he settled his lawsuit, he moved to have the records in his case sealed. Like he didn't want people bringing this up over and over. Which he deserves that. Absolutely. It does make it really hard when I want to bring it up. even with like Tim's blessing and Tom's blessing and everyone who participated. Luckily, we were able to get some of the investigative files, though. And those revealed some really interesting things. Because like I said earlier, there were other very viable suspects in this case, far more viable than Tim.

1:01:52And I'm going to tell you about that in the next episode. which we're going to be releasing tomorrow. But if you don't want to wait, part two is available for you to listen to right now in the Crime Junkie Fan Club, along with another extra surprise way to get the details of this case that we are pretty excited to share with you. You can learn more about the Crime Junkie Fan Club and join today at CrimeJunkiePodcast.com.

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