SERIAL KILLER: David Meirhofer

22:25Brit Prawat:And then in the abandoned house, they find melted candle wax in like various places, and they discover a closet that looks as if it had been nailed shut with a pile of feces in it and a bloody whip is found in the barn. Or at least they think it's blood on this whip. And then it's on February 19th that they find bones in a burn pile near the old ranch house and scattered around outside. They collect over a thousand pieces of bone fragments, including some teeth. The picture that's getting painted is that something very bad happened to Sandy here. But there was still a twist yet to come for investigators.

23:08Brit Prawat:When the pathologists and anthropologists review the biological materials and bones from the ranch, they conclude without a doubt that some of the remains belong to Sandy Dykeman. Yes, specifically it's the teeth that they compare and match to Sandy's dental records. Here's the twist. Experts say that not all of the remains belong to Sandy. There are at least two people who were reduced to a pile of ash because some of the bones belong to a girl between the ages of five and eight years old. Susie. It is everyone's first thought. But they have nothing as definitive to ID Susie yet. But if it's her, this is the biggest development Susie's case has seen in months.

23:55Brit Prawat:And it without a doubt connects Susie and Sandy's cases. And if Sandy's killer is Susie's killer, there is one name that actually appears in both investigations. David Meyerhofer. You guys, we are finally rolling into summer. And I am ditching the sweaters, packing away the coats, but I am still wearing quince. Because quince is quality I wear all year round. In the field, on stage, at the office, Quince, Quince, Quince. Their clothing and accessories are timeless and long-lasting because they focus on high-quality, beautiful everyday essentials, like 100 % European linen pants, dresses, and tops with styles starting at$32.

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25:20Brit Prawat:David Meyerhofer is a 20-something-year-old, lifelong Manhattan resident, a former Boy Scout and Marine who served in Vietnam. And he is back home now, working as a self-employed carpenter in town. And David is someone who is known to them. This guy's always eager to help. He's curious, constantly asking the deputies questions about the kidnapping investigations that they were working when he sees them at the local cafe. He was one of those local oddballs that actually came up in Susie's case. One of the guys that witnesses told the cops they should just look at early on. And they did. But David had been pretty cooperative.

25:58Brit Prawat:So back then, he's like kind of annoying, but not really suspicious. But his name came up in Sandy's case, too, for two different reasons. One, he is actually the local man who just happened upon that blouse that he turned over to police by the ranch. Mm-hmm. And two, apparently he had gone on a date with Sandy just a few months ago. And when he asked for a second date, Sandy turned him down.

26:23Ashley Flowers:Okay. So there's a connection to Sandy, but how does he connect to Susie?

26:27Brit Prawat:I mean, only by her bones or probably her bones being found with Sandy and Sandy being socially connected to David. Like it's not solid.

26:35Ashley Flowers:Yeah.

26:36Brit Prawat:But it's something. And they got to start somewhere. So agents actually go and pay David a visit at his warehouse in Manhattan, which is only like a half block from where Sandy lived. And he acts as if he has nothing to hide. He agrees to even take a polygraph test and he passes. So the agents move on. But there's nothing to really move on to. The cases both just kind of hit a dead end and they only heat back up because Agent Dunbar ends up going to Quantico, Virginia for this routine FBI training that following spring. And he happens to attend this session that's being put on by some agents who have psychology backgrounds.

27:18Brit Prawat:And they're talking about this, like, brand new idea, how studying a crime scene could give insight into the killer themselves. And with nothing to lose, Dunbar asks them if they will take a look at Sandy and Susie's cases. And they must see it as a worthwhile challenge because they start to put together a psychological profile of the probable killer. They say that Susie was probably murdered within two days of her abduction by a man who likely is white and in his 20s. He has to be at least modestly intelligent, they say. He's a loner, unmarried, and has little experience with women. They think he's a local guy but has military experience and would be physically fit.

28:00Brit Prawat:He most likely has killed before, and from those murders, he's probably kept souvenirs. And he's likely the type that would try to insert himself into an investigation.

28:12Ashley Flowers:Which the blouse hits two of those, right? Like a souvenir and inserting himself into the investigation.

28:19Brit Prawat:Also, the calls taunting the Jaeger family, actually, they say he probably isn't even done doing that, even though it's been a while. Like, this is their, like, prediction, if you want to say. They think that he is going to call again and they think it's going to be on a significant date. So with the one year anniversary of Susie's kidnapping coming up, agents work with Marietta to make sure that she is prepared.

28:44Ashley Flowers:Wait, they know this is David, right? Like I'm like checking everything off on the whole profile.

28:49Brit Prawat:Again, like profiling isn't proven at this point. Exactly, right. Not even that it's not exact. These local agents, it's almost like hooey, right? It's like there's no way you can know this. It's not a proven thing. And so, like, they're listening to them and they're willing to, like, you know, be prepared. But they are less convinced because in their mind, the thing that they know is polygraphs. Right. David passed a polygraph. They are known science. Already cleared him. But they're still, they're going to move along with the plan. They let the press have access to Marietta for anniversary headlines, knowing that that might trigger the kidnapper to call her.

29:21Brit Prawat:And Marietta is prepared to play her part, though she has been haunted over this dream that she had. Like it is so vivid. She says it's like watching a movie. And in this dream, she says she sees Susie being taken from her tent, put in a truck and waking up afraid because she's with a strange man. And the man takes her somewhere, undresses Susie and then strangles her before dismembering her. But maybe it's just a dream. Maybe those bones of a little girl they found aren't her little girl. They still haven't proven it. She has to have hope, especially as the phone rings on the morning of June 25th, 1974.

30:03Brit Prawat:Now, only the transcript of this has survived from this call, and it is heartbreaking to read. The caller asked if it's Susie's mom that he's speaking to, and when she says yes, he says, well, I'm the guy who took her from you exactly a year ago to the minute. He says that she's alive, but he can't give her back because he's gotten used to her. And Brett, I don't know how, but Marietta keeps the kidnapper talking for an hour. And in that time, he says that he and Susie have been traveling west and sightseeing. And Marietta is like sobbing and begs the man to give Susie back, saying they will pay any amount.

30:44Brit Prawat:But he says it's too late for that because if he gives Susie back, she's going to be able to identify him. But Marietta says, like, no one is going to make a child testify. Like, you don't have to worry about her identifying you because it would never make it to court. Right. It would just never happen. Yeah.

30:59Ashley Flowers:I can't believe she's able to basically negotiate with this man.

31:04Brit Prawat:I know. I know. And at one point, she actually does call his bluff saying that she doesn't actually believe that he still has Susie. She's like, prove it to me. Like, prove to me that she's alive. But he can't. He says that he has been using psychotherapy to wipe her memory. And Marietta goes, how are you qualified to do something like that? Now, he doesn't give a real reason. So she switches tactics and she asks how he knew that Susie was even in the tent. And he said that he'd been lurking around the campsite that night. And he had come by, heard her and her sister talking, but then he waited till they fell back asleep.

31:40Brit Prawat:And then he took her.

31:41Ashley Flowers:Okay, maybe we should add never go camping to our list of life rules.

31:45Brit Prawat:Honestly, putting your kids in a different tent is one of mine. This is not the only time something like this has happened. And something like this even happens like in recent memory of mine, like it made headlines. It is rare, but it is legit nightmare fuel. Keep your kids close. Camping, just because you're out in the middle of nowhere, doesn't mean you're out in the middle of nowhere alone.

32:08Ashley Flowers:Right.

32:08Brit Prawat:So this man tells Marietta that he has been good to Susie and that he took her because he always wanted a little girl, which is not what a mother wants to hear. And when Marietta asks where Susie is, at that very moment, he says that she is up in his cabin sleeping. And when she asks again if Susie's okay, the kidnapper says yes and talks about how he could never kill a little girl like that. And like the man even gets emotional on the phone before hanging up. Now investigators study every detail of this call. This guy had a Western accent. There was no background noise, but it sounds like he's outside.

32:47Brit Prawat:And the FBI tries to trace the call, but for technical reasons, for some reason, like this time it doesn't work. However, a few days later, they catch a lucky break because this Montana rancher notices a suspicious call on his phone bill. Suspicious because it was over an hour long and placed at 325 in the morning. So he goes to the telephone company in Bozeman to dispute the charge because he knows like it's not. He's like, it's not my call. I'm not paying for it. Right. And when the employee makes a copy of the bill, she notices the recipient of the call was William Yeager of Farmington Hills, Michigan.

33:26Brit Prawat:Remember, Susie's case was huge there in Montana. She recognizes the Yeager name immediately. She knows this is the father of the missing girl. So she reports it to police.

33:36Ashley Flowers:I mean, you said lucky break. Like, this is like a one in a million chance of this happening.

33:43Brit Prawat:It's not even done. The odds get more wild from here because the farmhouse where this call was placed from, that ranch is right next to the old abandoned ranch where the human remains and Sandy Dykeman's car had been found. Now, when Agent Dunbar interviews the rancher, he swears that his whole family had been asleep when the call was made. and he has no idea how that call got made because all the doors were locked so no one could have come in and used their house phone. And there wasn't even a break-in or anything like that. But, come to think of it, the rancher had recently seen some suspicious tire tracks out on some land where he had another phone line.

34:21Brit Prawat:Now, it wasn't like an actual phone receiver that you could just like pick up and use. It would take someone with know-how to be able to tap into the line, but it was a possibility. Now, he's not thinking about that back then, but he had been so bothered by the tracks on their own that he had inspected them closely and noticed that they were made by a specific Goodyear tire. Tires that he knew were on the truck of his former ranch hand, David Meyerhofer. Agent Dunbar doesn't want to jump to conclusions.

34:51Ashley Flowers:I mean, I don't think anyone's doing any jumping at this point.

34:54Brit Prawat:All roads are leading to David. But he doesn't want to go right to him. So first, he goes to a manager of the local phone company to figure out how someone could have tapped into the phone line. Basically, he finds out it could be done, honestly, with an ordinary phone as long as the person was familiar with phone lines and wires. And guess who has telecoms experience from his military service? David. So this convinces him enough that he now needs to talk to David again. And he wants to get right to the point. We know David already passed one polygraph, but Agent Dunbar convinces him to do another one, this time using truth serum.

35:31Brit Prawat:Hello, 1974. I know. And by now, by the way, David has a lawyer, but he doesn't stand in the way. And Britt, he passes again. Again. Yes. So they let David Meyerhofer leave. And once again, Agent Dunbar is convinced that David is probably not the man who killed Sandy and Susie. But those FBI profilers, they are not so convinced. They try to make local authorities understand something about a true psychopath. Like those kind of people can pass polygraphs all day long, even under the spell of truth serum. So it's them who pushes Agent Dunbar, just keep at David. So agents pay him another visit the next day, asking if they can search his property.

36:18Brit Prawat:And David and his lawyer say like, sure, have at it. Which shocks me, though, because what agents find is incriminating and downright creepy. It turns out David is a record keeper. Investigators find a receipt time stamped for the same day and location. Remember that first call that was made to the Yeager house, like the one from the gas station diner in Wyoming? There's a receipt. Next, they find sheets with bloodstains. Two unused Disneyland tickets, one of which is for a child. They find a tube of lipstick. They find a little girl's blouse and a necklace. David also has cut out a ton of newspaper articles, some about the criminal investigations in which he's now the center of, and others that seem almost like a to-do list.

37:13Brit Prawat:And there actually was one in particular that stands out. There was this article about upcoming Girl Scout camps, their dates and their locations. including a hand-drawn map of Camp Silvercloud. Now what's so interesting about that is during the time when they had been looking at David, there had been an attack on two girls who were at that camp. They were like on a walk in the trails when this man jumped out at them, tried to strangle one with a rope before being scared off by the other. And they were never able to determine who that guy was, but now they're pretty sure they know. Yeah. Then there is the actual to do list on stationery labeled things to do today.

37:54Brit Prawat:And he wrote easiest ways to access the camps and wrote things like densely wooded and good cover. He even had a checkmark next to Camp Silver Cloud. Like dude marked it off his list, which makes the next clipping that they find scary. David had cut out a newspaper photo of a little girl named Karen Smith, who was photographed fishing with her dad. What was the date? So around the 4th of July, which means they weren't too late. Karen Smith was okay. And actually, even though this is an old case, our reporter Emily got a hold of Karen Smith and interviewed her for this episode. She's a grandma now living her best life, but she says she was like five years old at the time.

38:42Brit Prawat:And the FBI sent an agent to basically be her bodyguard after this. Because keep in mind, David is not in jail.

38:49Ashley Flowers:Yeah.

38:49Brit Prawat:This dude is free to roam. So she wasn't allowed to go out to recess with her friends. And this agent even crashed on the family's couch, basically around the clock protection from David Meyerhofer.

39:00Ashley Flowers:Wait, I knew he wasn't in jail, but how is he not in jail after this search?

39:04Brit Prawat:I couldn't tell you because nothing in the case file tells me. But Karen says she basically felt like she survived a serial killer thanks to that agent.

39:15Ashley Flowers:Yeah, but like, I'm sorry, in what world are bloody sheets and a little girl's shirt, not to mention a crime to-do list, like not enough to arrest this guy?

39:26Brit Prawat:Like this kind of gets me conspiratorial because like, why did he even let them search so easily knowing what they would find? It's almost like he felt untouchable. That's exactly what I was going to say. And for some reason, he was. Apparently, David just like talks his way out of all of that stuff, saying like, oh, those sheets, those clothes, like those were there when I bought the place. Now, I don't want to make it sound like they were just not interested in him anymore. They're still very interested. They just, I guess, don't feel like they have an airtight case. I mean, a to-do list. I know.

40:01Brit Prawat:So what they do next is they arrange a voice lineup for Marietta and Bill. Because remember, they've talked to the kidnapper on the phone. They separately ID David Meyerhofer as the man who had been calling their house. Still, police want more. The FBI flies the Yeagers to Montana and arranges a face-to-face meeting between Marietta and David Meyerhofer. Again, his lawyer allows this. Because according to author Ron Fransell, who wrote the book Shadow Man, which was a valuable resource when looking into this case, David's lawyer still genuinely believes in his client's innocence. And David says straight to Marietta's face that he is not the man who abducted Susie.

40:44Brit Prawat:But Marietta knows in her gut, she like, she knows she was just face to face with the guy who kidnapped her daughter. However, because he denies it, they tell her they can't do anything. I mean, what do you do?

40:56Ashley Flowers:Like, you come all the way to Montana, and they're just gonna, like, let him walk out of there?

41:02Brit Prawat:I don't know. I don't know how. I don't know how they went back the first time and, like, to go back again, like, knowing you know. Knowing you saw him. I don't know. I don't know. But they send them back to Michigan. And the FBI profiler says that if David is their guy, he will want to regain power over the situation. He's gonna call Marietta again soon. That's what they say. And they say in the meantime, they're going to be surveilling him, watching his every move. And they do a pretty good job. But one day in late September, agents somehow lose track of him. And of course, that's exactly when the phone rings at the Jaeger house.

41:40Brit Prawat:And Marietta didn't come to play. When she accepts the long distance call, she gets right to it. And she literally says, hello, David. And listen, he tries to play dumb. Like, who's David? I don't know what you're talking about. But Marietta is like, David, I just sat across from you. I know it's you. And he won't admit anything, but he tries to tell her he still has Susie. And he's saying that Susie is safe. And so she says the same thing she said all along. Prove it. And that's when the voice of a little girl comes on the phone and says, this guy, he's nice and I'm sitting on his lap. Now Marietta knows her daughter's voice.

42:19Brit Prawat:Even after all this time, she would recognize it. That was not her daughter. This call triggers an intense reaction from authorities. They swarm Manhattan, Montana, but David's in the wind. Even his lawyer doesn't have tabs on him. And now that he seems to be on the run, the county prosecutor agrees to an arrest warrant. But within 18 hours, David reappears in town, swearing that he's just like been there the whole time. But they find a piece of paper in his pocket from the motel in Salt Lake City, where they determine that last call to Marietta was made from. So now it's over. And it's almost as if he wanted to get caught.

43:01Brit Prawat:And when investigators go back and tear apart his property looking for more, they realize they must have missed something the first time. And the most damning piece of evidence is actually packed away in David's freezer. You guys, we are finally rolling into summer, and I am ditching the sweaters, packing away the coats, but I am still wearing quince. Because quince is quality I wear all year round. In the field, on stage, at the office, quince, quince, quince. Their clothing and accessories are timeless and long-lasting because they focus on high-quality, beautiful everyday essentials, like 100 % European linen pants, dresses, and tops with styles starting at$32.

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44:26Brit Prawat:David Meyerhofer's freezer is filled with many normal things. Packages of deer, elk, frozen dinners. But among them is a package wrapped in butcher paper with the letters SMDS on the outside. And inside is Sandy Dykeman's hand, fingers with nail polish severed from the palm.

44:52Ashley Flowers:Wait, why didn't they find this when they searched before?

44:56Brit Prawat:I don't know. I guess this is their first foray into the freezer. I get the sense that, like, the first search was pretty surface-lever. I don't know if it's because they found a decent amount of stuff. They were like, surely it's all out in the open.

45:08Ashley Flowers:Maybe that's why he was fine with them looking. Like, you know, they didn't find it in the first search. What are you going to find this time?

45:14Brit Prawat:Well, they have it now, and there is no more talking his way out of this situation. And David knows it now, too. He tells his lawyer that he will confess to killing Sandy and little Susie. But if the state agrees not to pursue the death penalty, he'll also tell them about two other murders that he got away with. On September 29th, 1974, more than a year since Susie's kidnapping, Agent Dunbar and the county attorney sit down with David Meyerhofer. He admits to abducting Susie from her tent and taking her to his truck and then to the abandoned ranch. He says that he undressed her, but when he started to sexually assault her, Susie fought, so he strangled her.

45:57Ashley Flowers:I mean, that's just like Marietta's dream.

46:00Brit Prawat:I know. He says that he ended up cutting her up and scattered their remains and then burned them, except for her head, which he put in the outhouse. And they end up finding it just like he said. This monster tossed this little girl's head into an outhouse, which happened to be the one place at the ranch that they'd never searched. As for Sandy, he says that he went to her apartment while she was sleeping and jumped on her, strangled her, tied her up, and put tape over her mouth. And he says that she must have suffocated under the tape because while he was packing her car, he came back and just found her dead.

46:39Brit Prawat:So he took her body to the abandoned ranch and proceeded to conceal it in the same way that he had Susie's. Dismemberment and fire. Those two confessions weren't really a surprise to anyone. I mean, even the dismemberment part, they had kind of determined that based on the remains that they had found. The next confession, though, that one was a surprise. David said that he was the person who killed Michael Rainey, The 12-year-old Boy Scout who was found stabbed in his tent at the same state park but five years before Susie was taken.

47:11Ashley Flowers:That people were talking about when they were searching for Susie.

47:14Brit Prawat:The thing is he gives no explanation for this other than he wanted to take a kid. But he didn't take him. Exactly. It doesn't make much sense. And then the fourth murder that he confesses to is another curveball. Because it's not like any of the other cases. and it was one that they really hadn't even been considering a homicide. It was the death of a teenage boy named Bernie Pullman back in 1967. So Bernie had been on a bridge above the river in Manhattan, Montana when he was shot and it had sort of been deemed an accident. Like maybe Bernie caught like a wild or stray bullet from someone's hunting rifle or something.

47:54Brit Prawat:And at the time, David was just a senior in high school when that happened and he doesn't give investigators any reason for that murder either. Not that there would, like, be a good one. And listen, Agent Dunbar asks David about a few other missing and murdered Montana girls and women, including Donna Lemon. But David says he had no involvement in any of the other cases they bring up. He even denies being the hooded guy who tried to take the girls from Camp Silver Cloud.

48:24Ashley Flowers:Even though that was literally on his, like, murder to-do list.

48:28Brit Prawat:Marked off, which like to me makes everything else he's saying like less credible. Yeah. And then he wouldn't even entertain the idea of talking about cases outside of Montana, even though he had lived in California during boot camp and Vietnam during his service. So who knows if David left a trail of cases in his wake?

48:46Ashley Flowers:Wait, so who was the little girl on the phone?

48:50Brit Prawat:This is what I'm like spiraling on. He refused to talk about that, too. They don't know if the voice Marietta heard was like a kid talking in real time. Maybe it was a recording.

49:02Ashley Flowers:I mean, either way, doesn't that prove that he was at one point in time with another kid?

49:07Brit Prawat:That is still a mystery. They talk to people, at least at the hotel, right? We know he like calls Marietta at that time from a hotel in Salt Lake. And they said they talked to people, but nobody remembered seeing anything odd or like they don't really point out him. So we don't know if he was like even with a kid there. Was he solo there? I lean more toward the idea that this was maybe recorded because he was only out of sight for 18 hours. And I would assume that if another kid went missing in that time. And between those two locations. It's also 1970, right? Like maybe they don't know if something, but like, I don't know.

49:44Brit Prawat:To your point, though, when, how he got that recording, I don't even know. Where is it now? Like he would have had to have had it at the hotel. Like maybe a recording makes even less sense. Like the thing is, I'm fully convinced this man had more victims that we just don't know about. Because remember the blouse and the necklace and like the lipstick found at his house? Here's the thing. Sandy and Susie's parents were shown those items and they say that they didn't belong to their daughters. So those are probably souvenirs from other girls and women, which means there might have been hope to get answers for other families.

50:16Brit Prawat:Maybe they could do some kind of like plea to close out other cases that he was like most certainly connected to. But that never happened because just a few hours after his confession, David's found dead in his jail cell. He died by suicide. This man's method of murder was essentially random, which is why it is so astonishing to me that FBI profilers were able to peg him so well. I mean, they predicted the phone calls. You know, it might have been partially luck, but it paved the way for all of the criminal profiling that came after this because it made some of the doubters respect their craft a little bit more.

50:59Brit Prawat:You know, something that really bugs me about these cases is that David only called and taunted the Jaeger family. Like he didn't, as far as we know, torment any of the other victims' families with phone calls. And nobody seems to know why. And actually in the Donna Lemon case, like when they were early on, like, oh, these are so separate. They're not connected. I think that was one of the reasons why they never connected them or why he wasn't considered a serious suspect because he never called her family after her murder. But then I go back to like, well, if he really only did that once that we know of.

51:32Ashley Flowers:Then why would it matter if you did it?

51:34Brit Prawat:Like, why aren't we considering him in Donna's case? We know David traveled a lot. He was delivering machinery for his dad's company. he could have easily taken Donna to Idaho where she's found and left her there.

51:46Ashley Flowers:And did they ever compare the stuff they found at his place to Donna or like show any of that to her family?

51:52Brit Prawat:And that's the thing like not that I know of. No. And like I kind of get maybe all these years later where people don't you would think that he would have taken Donna to the same abandoned property that he took Sandy and Susie to. And maybe that's why they're like oh well they're found together. The other cases he confessed to her so long ago like Donna was like that same time frame. He would have just taken her there. But like, I think that's looking at that like, yeah, sure, logically that makes sense. But that's not what we're dealing with. Right. We interviewed Ron Fransell for this episode, the author of Shadow Man, and he reminds us that it is a waste of time to try and apply logic and reasoning to the actions of a psychopath.

52:27Brit Prawat:But as a crime junkie, it's hard not to think about these things because somehow I think answers to other cases are in there somewhere. Like, why Susie? Why then? And who else? Marietta wrote in her book that in the months leading up to their vacation that summer, as she planned their trip to Montana, she developed a healthy fear of snakes and bears invading their campsites. Never in her wildest dreams did she think that a man on the hunt for a child would be far worse than any animal she could ever dream of encountering. But in the end, Marietta forgave David. She went on to become an advocate for forgiveness and speaks openly against the death penalty.

53:25Brit Prawat:You can find all the source material for this episode on our website, CrimeJunkie.com.

53:30Ashley Flowers:And you can follow us on Instagram at Crime Junkie Podcast.

53:33Brit Prawat:We'll be back next week with a brand new episode.

54:14Brit Prawat:Crime Junkie is an Audio Chuck production. I think Chuck would approve.

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