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3:35Robb Dunewood: Today, the UK uncovers how to circumvent age verification, and The Verge discovers how to circumvent Samsung's antioxidant sensor. It's a delicious way. I'm Tom Merritt. And I'm Rob Dunwood. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. So we talked last week about how the UK started enforcing new rules on Friday that require online platforms to verify your age if there's a chance someone younger than 18 could access harmful content. Now, this has had a few effects. One probably won't surprise you. Suddenly, Rob, last week, many people in the UK finally took seriously the need to protect their connections with a VPN.

4:12Isn't that great? Isn't that? Yeah. Good job. ProtonVPN reported a 1 ,400 % increase in UK signups on Friday. VPN apps top in the charts in the UK Apple App Store as well. The sudden increase in protecting personal security is heartening. The age verification in the UK involves submitting a government-sanctioned ID or just a selfie. So if your VPN isn't making you appear not to be in the UK and you want to access something that requires you to be older than 18, you gotta provide one of those two. The selfie uses an algorithm to determine if you look the part. Do you look like you're older than 18?

4:55Now, you can't just take a picture of somebody older than you and hold it up in front of your face. You have to move. The idea is to prove you're actually there. So they might ask you to turn your head or open your mouth. That leads us to another effect that you might not have predicted. The game Death Stranding has an in-game photo mode. If you use that mode with the character Sam Bridges, who looks older than 18, you can get the 3D avatar to face the screen. You can then point your phone at the screen when you're in the verification system to verify by photo. And the photo mode from Death Stranding lets you move the camera around and change facial expressions.

5:37So if it asks you to move your head or open your mouth to prove you're there, you can make bridges do that. The Verge was able to use the method to verify age both for Reddit, which uses the Persona system, and for Discord, which uses KID. However, they tried it on Blue Sky, which uses the Yoti service, and it didn't work. So not every system can be fooled by death stranding. An Ofcom spokesperson told the register, age checks are not a silver bullet. some determined teenagers may get around them. Ultimately, this needs to work alongside education, awareness campaigns, and through supportive conversations with trusted adults.

6:15That last, Rob, I thought it was a demonstration of self-awareness from a government agency that you don't see all the time where they're like, yeah, we didn't expect this to catch everybody, but it's part of a plan.

6:24Robb Dunewood: So here's the thing. When you're talking about a regulation or a rule, a law like this, a lot of people think it's got to get a thousand percent of the people. Right, right. They're never meant to do that. It's meant to be a significant deterrent that is going to ultimately get less, you know, young teens using this. It's kind of so I think of it like this. It's like, you know, having to be 21 to go into a bar works pretty effectively. There are still teens who will get a fake ID. They're doing enormous amounts of work to try to get in and they will get in. Same thing. Speed limits are 65 to 75.

7:02Robb Dunewood: People drive faster than that. But they do tend to keep people driving roughly at a safe speed. And I think that's how you have to look at this. This is not encryption. It's going to keep everybody out 99.9999 % of the time. The goal is for this to actually deter younger folks from trying to get into a system they probably shouldn't be into. Yeah, make it a little more. It's a speed bump, so to speak. It is amusing that the Persona and KID systems can be fooled by Death Stranding. I imagine that shortly those services will be updated so that at least Death Stranding, if not other games, don't work for it.

7:39Interesting that the OT service already works that way. But the easier way to circumvent it is a VPN, right? Like it's not really practical to use the video game service.

7:50Robb Dunewood: VPNs work, you know, very well. I'm not recommending the teens that are not supposed to be doing this. But yes, they do work quite well as long as you are setting your location to be somewhere out of the places where you're not supposed to be in underage. Now, we alluded at the beginning of the show to another piece of circumvention news, but this one only hurts yourself. The Verge's Victoria Song was able to fool Samsung's antioxidant sensor. The sensor uses blue, yellow and infrared LED light to detect carotenoid levels in your skin. Same thing that makes a carrot orange, right? And that is an indication of your antioxidant levels, but it's not foolproof again.

8:29To measure it, you press your thumb on the sensor for 10 seconds and it looks through your skin to see if it sees those carotenoids and then estimates your antioxidant level. Well, Song found that the sensor not only wasn't giving her a good score, even though she eats a lot of vegetables, but wouldn't give blackberry. She smushed a blackberry against the sensor, gave that a low score. but when she pressed her thumb covered in orange magic marker or powder from Cheez-It crackers, both notoriously low in antioxidants, it gave her a high score. So she also said broccoli gave it a high score. So it's not just something orange, but apparently if it's orange enough, it can fool the sensor.

9:14Robb Dunewood: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that somebody was incredibly bored the day that they tried to do this. You know, we're missing one, though. I want to know how does candy corn affect it? Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Smoosh a little candy corn, especially that orange part, right, up against there and see it. Yeah, I think Victoria Sugg was just mad when it gave her a low score. And she's like, I eat a lot of vegetables. I should have a lot of antioxidants. This is wrong. And so she wanted to find out why. I thought that was funny as well. Go figure. If you scan stuff that was never meant to be scanned and get weird results, I would have never guessed that.

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13:25Robb Dunewood: There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. Google has a system for detecting earthquakes that combines measurements from Android phones. It's got multiple levels. The highest one is Take Action. More than 70 % of phones in Turkey You use Android, but the system only sent 469 warnings for an earthquake in the country in 2023, where 10 million people were close enough to the epicenter to have received it. Google investigated the results and changed the algorithm to compensate. In a simulation of the earthquake, 10 million notifications were sent. The BBC asked Google how the system worked in the earthquake in Myanmar this past March 28th and has not yet received a response.

14:02Robb Dunewood: So I'm not saying, Tom, I'm just kind of saying it's like I want to know about the recent one, not the not not the. not the simulation. Does this actually work? Because I'm guessing that in March 28th, if it worked well, Google would be touting this everywhere. And I don't see them doing that. I don't think most people even know this exists. So I doubt most people rely on it for their earthquake safety, especially because earthquakes warnings are not something that are widespread and usually very, very far in advance, right? So I look at this and I'm like, oh, okay. They did the right thing. And at the BBC's investigating impulse revealed that like, yeah, we didn't give enough warnings for that one.

14:49And that is unfortunate because maybe we could have prevented loss of life if we did, but we were able to tweak it and we think we fixed it. So yeah, whenever they get the willingness or the data, maybe they're just cross-checking their numbers to let us know how it did this year. I'd be curious to know because I got a Pixel phone and I'd like to know if that's something I need to pay close attention to living here in earthquake country in California. Yeah.

15:14Robb Dunewood: If it works, it'll probably get socialized and people will hear about it because when they say take action, they mean take action immediately. If you're in a building, you need to get to an interior wall, preferably away from glass, maybe under a 30 conference table or something like that if you have it. if you're on the street and you can get away from the buildings, get away. If you can't, if you're like in a big city with skyscrapers, actually the best thing to do when you see that take action is to run into the building. Doesn't seem natural thing to do, but if they're big, tall buildings, they generally are built to withstand earthquakes.

15:45Robb Dunewood: So you're safer in there than on the street where you'll be subject to falling glass and debris and stuff like that. Yeah. And there are other levels that are lower and some of those were sent as well. And there's different accuracy levels on those as well. But of course, the one everyone focuses on is the take action one, right? The urgent one. DeepMind and OpenAI both took this year's International Math Olympiad test. DeepMind perfectly solved five of the six problems. That earned it a gold medal. Gold doesn't mean it was the only one to win. It just, you have to achieve a certain score and then you get a gold medal.

16:17OpenAI did not actually officially participate in the event, but would have earned a gold as well. However, 26 human students got higher scores than both of them. So, hey, good news, us humans still on top. However, the Wall Street Journal speculates this might be the last year that the human students outperformed the models.

16:36Robb Dunewood: I don't think I would be willing to bet against the Wall Street Journal on this one. This probably is the last year. And we did talk a bit about this last week because OpenAI kind of let the news out before they were supposed to. So that was the, that's why they're officially not in it. Cause they kind of get kicked out, but yeah, it's, uh, it's probably not, uh, you know, a, you know, a winnable contest for humans after probably this year, if we get it next year, I'm thinking that will be it. But I'm guessing the rate that these things are growing and how fast they are getting really, really good at doing this kind of stuff.

17:09Robb Dunewood: This might be the last time that humans actually take the cake. Yeah, my instinct is one to three humans, maybe I'll perform them next year, if that. And then that would be the last year that these things don't beat us at the math. This is math. This is like, you know, something you can tune a model specifically for. The European Commission said Monday that his preliminary finding shows Tmoo does not properly prevent unsafe counterfeit products from being sold to EU citizens on his platform. The EC says Tmoo uses an inaccurate risk assessment that relied on general industry information rather than specifics about his own marketplace.

17:47Robb Dunewood: Separate investigation is also underway to determine if Tmoo uses problematic practices like fake discounts and reviews. Tmoo may now respond to the preliminary findings to argue whether they're incorrect or suggest actions to avoid a fine. Yeah, this is the typical EC dance where they release the preliminary findings and give companies a fair chance to say, hey, there might be a mistake or you didn't take this into account, they usually end up sticking pretty close to those preliminary findings. And so what you more often see is a company saying, okay, in response to this, then we'll do this to remediate it.

18:23And that'll lower the punishment because they're willing to cooperate. But we're talking about baby toys, small electronics. These are things that kind of raise people's eyebrows. They're like, wait, I don't want to be buying a baby toy that is a dangerous baby toy. I don't want to be buying an electronic product that's going to electrocute me. So this will hurt Timu's brand image no matter what in the, for sure.

18:48Robb Dunewood: Yeah, and it is the, what had happened was clause in my estimation, because they are giving Timu the opportunity. We're going to let you respond to this. And maybe you can do some things so that that fine won't be quite what it's going to be. But this is not great. You need to fix this or we're going to find the heck out of you. I think that that's basically what, you know, Timu is up against at this point. I always think it's worth pointing out in these situations too. It's not like someone at Timu is looking at every single product and going like, that one's dangerous, but let it in. It's that these platforms are so vast that people can post things to it and no one at Timu ever knows it was posted.

19:24So you have to have systems to be going and checking for these things and vetting them automatically. And that is more difficult when you operate at that scale. And so what the EC is saying is, you didn't do enough to combat that from sneaking through. They wouldn't have gotten punished if a couple of things sneaked through, but they were like, hey, we're doing everything we possibly can. The European Commission is saying, you're not doing it enough.

19:50Robb Dunewood: I won't be shocked if in the not too distant future, we hear a story from Timo about how they're using AI to do exactly these types of things. Because this is one of the things that AI is designed to do. It should be able to effectively find these unsafe products relatively easily on the system. Samsung announced it will produce Tesla's A16 chip under a contract that will run through 2033. The A16 is the next generation chip for Tesla driving hardware. Samsung makes the current Tesla A14 chip. Samsung has reported underutilization of its foundry business. If that's true, then this is important for them.

20:25Robb Dunewood: PayPal will launch acceptance of more than 100 cryptocurrencies in the coming weeks. Merchants who use PayPal will be able to take Bitcoin, USDT, Ethereum, and more from more popular wallets like Coinbase, Phantom, and MetaMask. Merchants can receive the funds as either fiat currency or PayPal stablecoin. Fees for transactions will be 0.99%, much less than current fees for flat transactions. And merchants who accept PayPal stablecoin can earn 4 % interest for those balances. So Tom, this is one that I'm really looking at because 1 % compared to 1.5 % to 3 % is significant when you're doing a lot of transactions.

21:04Robb Dunewood: And where this also will come in as a benefit for people who use PayPal, if you're doing any type of international, there's another 1 % to 3 % on top of that. So they're really cutting out the credit card companies on this. And I would imagine PayPal is still one of the big dogs when it comes to these mobile wallet, mobile type of application ways to pay. A lot of people have PayPal accounts. I don't see this not being used effectively in the not too distant future. Yeah. Two things to note here, too. The Genius Act being signed into law in the United States, even though it's just for the United States, has an effect.

21:37This is one of those effects. PayPal was holding off expanding its cryptocurrency use until it knew the regulatory environment in its home market. So this is one of the first, not the last, that you'll see as a result of that. You're going to see some from more traditional banks. And then everyone often asks, not everyone, some people often ask, what's the deal with the stable coin? Why is it useful? If it's only tied to a dollar, how do you make money? Well, it's because you reduce those fees. So PayPal's still raking in 0.99%, but they're not having to share it with other folks because they're using a stable coin and they're using a blockchain and that saves them money.

22:12They pass the savings on to you, everybody wins.

22:14Robb Dunewood: Absolutely. I, you know, and I'm thinking of like a block who, you know, has the, you know, the, the square terminals and stuff like that. And they've been undercutting credit card companies by charging 2 % and no actual fee, like 2 % plus 50 or whatever. This is just 1%. That is going to be ridiculously difficult to get under. And PayPal makes those type of terminals that merchants can use as well. So I think that, you know, a lot of merchants say, I get killed by these fees that I've got to pay. And if I can do 1%, I'll do 1%. An independent game store, itch.io, says it too has received pressure from payment processors to remove some adult titles from its catalog.

22:54An organization called Collective Shout claims responsibility for pressuring payment companies. But companies have not said why they are pressuring the platforms like itch.io and Steam. Meanwhile, the UK interactive entertainment games industry body has issued its own statement, trying to put some pressure out there, calling on payment providers and platforms to, quote, have confidence in trusted age rating systems and the enforcement mechanisms behind them.

23:20Robb Dunewood: the apache airflow company astronomer published a video featuring the ex-wife of colplay's chris martin gwyneth paltrow paltrow says astronomer hired her to on a temporary basis to answer questions while the questions shown on screen seem to relate to the viral video of astronomers now ex-ceo and now xhr head being caught hugging each other at the colplay concert paltrow's answers are very straightforward explanations of astronomers data automation features now tom I've watched this video. It is hilarious. And the folks have already gone and grabbed it. And they're now putting the video over top of the actual Coldplay concert video to give you the context of what's happening.

23:58Robb Dunewood: So yeah, it's the questions are being asked are hilarious. And the way that Glenn Paltrow just straight face answers something completely different is pretty funny. Why, yes, there are spaces still available in our upcoming developers conference, for example. Yeah, Eileen showed this to me pretty soon after I posted it. I was like, is this real? Yeah, no, it's absolutely real. Kind of a stroke of genius on an astronomer's part there. Scientists at the University of Washington designed tools called RF diffusion and protein MPNN that can efficiently and cheaply design proteins that recognize the peptides on the surface of cells, specifically cancer cells and also some viruses.

24:40Those proteins can then be integrated into cells called chimeric antigen receptors or CARs. Don't worry about that. What you need to know is that the CARs, once they have these model-designed proteins, can teach T cells to attack those specific targets and destroy the cancer cells. So this is personalized cancer treatment. We scan your cancer cells. We put them through the model. It designs a protein that you then give back to your body, which teaches your immune system to target your cancer cells. Eight of 11 trials successfully triggered a response. Two of those actually were able to kill the targeted cells.

25:19The process, as I mentioned, could also be used for viruses like HIV.

25:23Robb Dunewood: This is pretty cool tech because it is targeting your specific type of cancer and where your specific type of cancer is in your body without destroying everything around it. And that's pretty impressive. What I thought of was one of the Star Trek movies where Dr. McCoy gave, they were on current day Earth and he gave, you know, just a regular person like a pill that cured all kinds of things for him. It's like, yeah, we're getting there. We're getting to Star Trek levels of health. Because no side effects. Well, I mean, we don't know. We have to have clinical trials. Maybe there are side effects, but you won't have the anticipated side effects of killing a bunch of cells that aren't your cancer cells, right?

26:02Robb Dunewood: That's good. Absolutely. The Financial Times sources say OpenAI is testing a shopping feature to let you buy things without leaving OpenAI's app. OpenAI would get a share of any revenue generated. Bleeping Computer also has sources showing OpenAI's web app is testing toggles related to shopping, checkout, and orders. Oh, no. They're coming for the shopping engines next. Amazon, you okay with this? You're going to be all right? Right. Amazon is probably not happy about this, but we knew that this was coming. It's a sign of the times where I start to get a little bit concerned. I do like searching for something and getting a bunch of different stores that I can go to as compared to my search for something.

26:45Robb Dunewood: And here's the one result I get. And we just kind of get lulled into just buying that. And it may not be the best deal. It may not be the best item. so we need to be a little leery of just going with only getting one result back and clicking buy. Yeah I imagine this could be used to circumvent plans to use AI to give you a special price that's more expensive than other people too because it can pretend to not be you Delta and your friend falls down a little bit. What do you want to hear us talk about on the show? One way to let us know is our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at reddit.com slash r slash daily tech news show.

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29:00Robb Dunewood: We end every episode of DTNest with some shared wisdom. Today, Marty is helping us understand. Marty heard the reporting on WhatsApp replacing native code with a web app in the Windows version of its app and wanted to combat some of the perceptions that this kind of thing isn't as good or might increase RAM usage. Marty writes,

29:47the Facebook Messenger app went from a Windows app to a web app and the UI significantly got easier to use and nicer looking in my opinion. It just depends on how it's implemented. Web tech is widely used in everyday applications like the Xbox interface, parts of Windows and Steam. These examples don't receive complaints because they're well implemented. You can create bad apps in any language or framework and I think it's important to highlight that web tech contributes to a more more open and diverse ecosystem across all platforms, rather than dismiss it based on poorly executed examples. Anyway, that's just my charged opinion, being somewhat biased on the subject, keep up the great work.

30:25Marty, this is exactly the kind of thing we like to hear, you know, a little insight, a little bit of opinion, that's absolutely fine, especially if it comes from an informed view place like yourself.

30:33Robb Dunewood: I agree with Marty because he is right. You don't have to actually make an app worse just because you make it web. I think of the Facebook app. I also think of LinkedIn. LinkedIn's web app is as good as the actual mobile app. In some ways, it may even be better because it just needs to work even a little bit faster. So I think Marty is dead on with this one. And it's a great point to be like, you don't notice when you're using a web app in what would otherwise be a native app when it works well. And so nobody thinks of that. I think that's a huge point. Bingo. What are you thinking about, folks?

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