Amazon Goes Full Android for Tablets - DTNS 5370

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3:28This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 8th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you important context, and help each other understand. Today, a developer VibeCodes replacement of all of Adobe's software, and Amazon embraces Android and the Google Play Store for its new tablets. Oh, hugs! Android and Google Play, hugging it out. That's nice. Yeah, and I'm sure Adobe would like to hug that developer in a different way. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Sarah Lane. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story. All right, let's talk about the Fire Tab. No, no, not Fire Tablets.

4:07That's not what they're called anymore because Amazon announced it's replacing its Fire Tablet lineup with three aluminum Alexa Plus tablets running Android 16 with full Google Play Store access. So the interfaces show you books, games, movies, TV shows, kind of what you would expect. You've been in the middle of, if they're in the Amazon ecosystem, even if you were reading or playing or watching them on another device, kind of nifty. There's also a for you layout that recommends other content that you might like as well. A new Kindle mode silences notifications. You know, you're reading, you just want to be in the zone, turns down blue light when you're reading.

4:46and an on-device AI assistant is integrated. So you can ask it questions, including about what's on screen, if you opt into letting it see what's on the display. So that's your choice. But what about the hardware? Okay, so let's start with the most affordable option. This is the$230 Alexa Tablet 8. It has an 8.7 inch screen and up to 14 hours of video playback. Then going up a notch, the$330 Tablet 11, That adds an 11-inch 2.5K display, dual Dolby Atmos speakers. It's kind of cool. Up to 15 hours of video playback. And at the top of the line, the$500 tablet 12 Pro. It's 6.5 millimeters thick, 12-inch 16.5.

5:33Can you imagine? Like, ooh, it's so thin. 16.5. 6.5. 12-inch 120 hertz display, quad Dolby Atmos speakers. and up to 16 hours of video playback. You also have an anti-glare nano matte version. That starts at$550 if matte is your thing. It also has a 16-gig RAM option. You can also spring for a pen. That costs$90. It's sold separately. And an attachable keyboard for$150 if you were going to be using this as a pro device. Amazon also announced kids' tablets starting at$230 for the 8.7-inch model, $330 for the 11-inch model with cases tailored for ages 3 up or 6 up and a year of Amazon Kids Plus included in that.

6:22So if you're wondering when you're going to see all this stuff, you can pre-order all of these new tablets now. Shipping October 14th in the U.S., in Canada, and Mexico. The U.K., Germany, France, Italy, and Spain are getting them October 19th. Yeah, I really think the interface is a smart move for Amazon to concentrate on, which is like show you up top. Here's all the books and stuff that you play. Probably less games, although Roger was writing on the Patreon recently about how he uses Amazon Luna sometimes. So, you know, there are people using it, but the Kindles, lots of people read Kindle books and probably watch Amazon Prime Video, right?

7:03So this is a way to be like, oh, everything I need right here on the tablet. It's a two-in-one. Yeah, it's probably five. I don't know. Where does the counting end? Because you've got audiobooks, you've got games, you've got movies, you've got TV shows, and you've got the assistant, the smart assistant. So I think the idea is trying to take advantage of making it easier for you to get to the stuff you want, whether by asking the tablet about something or just having it right there when you started up. CDET seemed to think that that larger tablet, the 11-inch one, or I'm sorry, the 12-inch one.

7:39The 12 Pro. Yeah, it was kind of a laptop replacement. I feel like that's stretching it a little bit. But I guess if you're just using it for basic stuff, like an ultralight, maybe, because it does have the pogo pin, like you said, that you can attach a keyboard to. But smart move on Amazon to just go Android and take advantage of all the Android stuff you can use there. Yeah. I'm curious to know where, you know, what meeting, corporate meeting, did they decide to lose the Fire tablet or, you know, the Fire name for tablets? Because obviously Amazon Fire on the TV sticks and just, you know, their TV line in general, I think is a good one.

8:22I do think that what Amazon is very good at is saying, here, we're going to give you a product that's a little bit maybe more entry level, but also a lot cheaper. And it seems like what Amazon's doing with the tablets is saying, no, we're actually, we're not entry level and cheap. We're actually competing with other tablets that are premium, especially when you're talking about the 12 Pro. I mean, this is a nice tablet for$500. You're not going to get an iPad for$500 with these specs. It's cheap. It's not cheap, but it's also not expensive, right? It's a decent price for what you're getting there.

9:05I think Amazon is better at branding than Google. So I don't suspect this is brand confusion where they're like, oh, should we call it Fire? I don't know. Let's change your mind. They've been using the Fire name for a long time. They seem to be making a decision to phase out the FIRE name, and they are leaning into the name of the voice assistant that we will kindly not say in case you were listening to this on speakers near Amazon Echo. Well, and I wonder if that's coming to the TV line of products as well. I wonder too. Yeah. And that would make sense if they're saying, look, chatbots, smart assistants, that's the wave of the future.

9:40We have one of the best, most recognizable ones. Let's use that brand. It's a strong brand. And yeah, people kind of know Fire, but they know the other one better. So let's lean into that. And they got rid of Fire OS. The new Fire TV devices use the Vega OS. So they're retiring the Fire name behind the scenes already anyway. And obviously just using Android 16 here instead of using Vega, which Vega is obviously optimized for television use. uh so i i think yeah i think we're just headed into good old al exa being the name of all the stuff and i think it's really smart on amazon's part because amazon has always been like okay we use android but it's a it's our version of android yeah it's you know it's they forked it yeah it's it's different uh maybe you think it's better a lot of people didn't um but just to say yeah this this is you you are buying an amazon product but it's everything that you expect from from anything else in this you know in in a comparable lineup so yeah i think they realized they don't want to run an app store for android so they got rid of the amazon app store and now they're just going to be like yeah if you've got it on your android phone or you've got it on your google book maybe you can put it on on the fire tablet or i'm sorry on the new alexa plus tablet yeah and just talk to it all day you know it's your it's your new best friends that's the only problem with the branding is that it's difficult for us to say it because without lighting up everyone's devices including our own sometimes we have to but we try our best to dance around it everybody put a little space in there yeah yeah well uh we don't want to dance around the fact that we love everyone who supports our show dtns is made possible by all of you listening and watching right now thanks to Justin and Courtney Bolander, AB Puppy, Dale McKay, and Matt Zaglin.

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15:35So you tell it what you want it to do, not how you want it to do it. You can invoke it by typing at Gemini, and you can do that in Gmail, in Drive, in chat, in Calendar. I assume if it's in your Slack, you can do it there too. Examples they gave might shed some light on how this is working. One was you could ask it to set up a meeting with, you know, the usual regional event leads next week. That way you don't have to tell it who they are. It'll get that context from your email, and you don't have to tell it when. It actually starts asking people when's a good time to meet next week. and figuring out all of that annoying stuff for you.

16:11In another example, you might get an email from your boss saying, give me the latest project update as a slide deck. And Gemini - Is that how he talks? That's how I'll read the email, for sure. That is how she talks. And then Gemini gives you a single click option. So you get that email, right? And then Gemini just gives you an option like, would you like to delegate that to me? I understand what's in this email, and I'll just do it for you. Google also described it as a team member that can act as a project manager alongside people in your Slack channel or your team's channel. It can act like a financial analyst, keeping you on budget.

16:48And you can, you don't have to, but you can assign it its own corporate identity. So you could give it a workspace account, an email address, its own calendar and drive storage, and even a company directory presence if you want to. And they made a lot of hay out of the fact that agents are very secure. You can only give them access. They only can access information that has been explicitly shared with them. They won't go wandering around trying to find stuff. Interestingly, Gemini agents will also pick the most capable model for each task, even if it's not from Google. Right now, it'll pick from either Gemini models or Anthropic models, and they say they're going to add support for private and open models coming in the future.

17:31So you could put DeepSeek or Quinn or something in there as well. It runs in the cloud so that it can maintain its context. They made a big deal out of the fact that it has four classes of memory, session memory for ongoing tasks, semantic memory for accumulated knowledge, procedural for workflows, and episodic for previous work. The Gemini agent is in private preview coming soon to workspace customers on select business and enterprise plans. In a related announcement, Google also launched Google AI Edge Foresight, a horribly named product that is a Mac app that can work offline. And then it'll take meeting notes across multiple apps.

18:11If you've heard of Granola, that's a similar app that does this offline note-taking for you. And it lets you take manual notes while it is transcribing. So you can take your own notes and then it'll merge them all together. So that's a little app that goes along with the big Gemini agent announcement here? So I am a workspace customer because I run Sarah at sarahleen.com through Google. I don't do a lot of work, collaborative work though. I mean, sure, sometimes people email me at that address but you and I and Roger and the DTNS team, we kind of talk to each other in other ways. So I don't know how beneficial this will be for me.

18:54Oh, it's an enterprise thing. Yeah, it's not meant for us. We're small Indie Fry. This is for people at Accenture and Northrop Grumman. Yeah, there's lots of meetings to wade through and calendar items and all the things. I really enjoy Gemini, and I know this is a little bit different than what you're just getting through Chrome. But I think as just sort of a daily helper, it's been pretty great. And I pay for Codex. So, you know, I compare the two. And there are others, of course. many others. But yeah, if anyone out there is like, oh, this is exactly what I need. Yeah, this is, I think, another differentiator that Google's trying to make, which is Claude is great at code.

19:46Codex, really good at code as well. And pretty good at that on-device agentic stuff. How do we differentiate ourselves? We make an agent that works in the cloud. Because you know what Google's great at? Cloud. And so they're going to put an agent out at the top end, which is where the money is at the enterprise end, and say, yeah, this isn't for individual workers to use. This is for teams to use. I think that's an interesting approach. We'll see if it works, but it's an interesting approach. It's a niche that no one else has gone after as much. Indeed. All right, let's talk about ArtCraft. You're like, what's ArtCraft?

20:20Well, Artcraft launched seven open source apps designed to mimic Adobe's Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere, Lightroom, After Effects, InDesign, and even Acrobat Pro called Photocraft, Imagecraft, Filmcraft, Lightcraft, Effectcraft, Designcraft, and PDFcraft. I see what they did there. Yep. Developer Brandon Thomas said that he used Claude Opus 5.5, speaking of Claude, to create what he called clean room replacements in Rust, as well as WebAssembly versions for running in a browser. The releases have several gaps. Thomas promised we're going to reach 100 % parity within a month. He then amended that to 99 % parity.

21:07Will take a while, but I'm sure it'll be measured in months and not years. The apps were released under the MIT Apache license with the intention for Artcraft to make money by selling users access to its visual model, which is offered as an image generation option in the apps. Thomas believes software is over, writing, we'll replace Google search. We'll build our own smartphones. We'll build better infra. We'll remove all the ads and de-ensitify the entire tech world. Them fighting words, Tom. Yeah, and they're words people really want to hear. And a great way to get your message to catch like fire is to tell people what they want to hear.

21:51I think this is an incredibly smart move for ArtCraft to put the ArtCraft software on people's radar. Because these new versions are not its only product. Its main product is for film and television and multimedia creators to do image generation. They bill themselves as AI for artists saying like, this is not meant to replace artists. This is designed to help artists. And now everybody's talking about them because of the stunt. They're going to pick up a lot of new customers for their main product here. In addition to that stunt-like atmosphere of this, he's not wrong. You can, if you know what you're doing, which he does, he's got a lot of experience programming and Rust supervise the quick creation of these kinds of built from the ground up replications.

22:41I'm not sure what Adobe can do about it. If the interface is too close, they might be able to sue on trade dress or trademark or wordmark sort of stuff. But I think he was careful not to infringe on that stuff as much as he can, just wanted to replicate functionality. And there's really no law against replicating functionality. I mean, you know, if you look at after effects and effect craft, it's like it's very obvious what they're doing here. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I don't think he's trying to hide that. Adobe is not pleased at all about this. But like you said, it's sort of like, well, I mean, the term photo, Adobe doesn't own that.

23:24No. We can kind of get away with things like photo, image, film, light, effect, design. They don't own the method for editing photos. Right. They might have a few patents still relevant to some stuff that they could go after him on, depending, because he reverse engineered all this stuff. But it's not against the law to reverse engineer. I think this might become a test case for whether we're going to see similar lawsuits over the ease at which you can reverse engineer. The way that writers are saying, we don't like that LLMs trained on our text, even if they aren't used all the time for replicating our text.

24:07Even though that might have been considered fair use, we don't think it should be considered fair use. And we're fighting those battles in court right now. Now, you may see companies like Adobe say like, well, yes, technically they didn't violate any existing laws because they reverse engineered anything, but it's tantamount to piracy. It's tantamount to copying us and it should be illegal. Yeah, I think that conversation is about to get started. Yeah. I mean, Thomas saying software is over. And again, that is, you know, that's an incendiary thing to say. Hyperbole. Yeah, but it gets me thinking about, yeah, what is the future of licensed software when it can be replicated easily?

24:49I mean, you're still going to have to pay for whatever agent made that for you. So people still have to make money somehow, and I'm not sure how that's going to shake out. But we're halfway there. I mean, the free and open software movement was built on the idea that software is so easy to create that it should be free. And so I think Brandon knows that he's plugging into that vein a little when he's like, software is over. Anybody can make software now. The only inhibition to software being free before was that not everybody could make a complicated piece of software. Even if you were a talented coder, you might not be able to make something as complicated as Microsoft Office.

25:31Well, guess what? With Claude, maybe now you can. And he's just showing someone with a little bit of skills, which I think he has a lot of skills, is able to replicate all of Adobe in a short period of time, relatively speaking. you know certainly taking the hyperbole out he's showing that this is a thing people can do and he won't be the only one who could do it indeed well if you like putting software gadgets services platforms to the test and you like other people who like the same things as you then your new favorite show is live with it each week we talk about all the tech in our lives home improvement car tricks pet solutions in fact this week roger chang and i are hitting the mail bag because we love to hear your stories.

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26:43This episode is brought to you by Capital One. Capital One's tech team isn't just talking about multi-agentic AI. They already deployed one. It's called Chat Concierge and it's simplifying car shopping. Using self-reflection and layered reasoning with live API checks, it doesn't just help buyers find a car they love. It helps schedule a test drive, get pre-approved for financing, and estimate trade-in value. Advanced, intuitive, and deployed. That's how they stack. That's technology at Capital One. Meet Amazon Ads rising star Daryl Spencer, who set out to redefine men's self-care with his brand Crown Skin.

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27:45To the headlines, they'll make you smart. Apple's VP of Worldwide Marketing, Greg Joswiak, posted a video on X Thursday showing two people embroidering the old rainbow Apple logo with the text, Welcome Home, October 13th. Members of the press have been invited to events in New York City, London, and Paris at 9 a.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday the 13th. I guess we're all just getting into needlepoint. That's right. The new embroidering machine that uses floppy disks for its patterns will be introduced by Apple. You know, the kids love the retro. Yeah. And no, if you haven't been following this, Apple's probably going to release a smart home hub, a new HomePod mini, a new Apple TV type device, and those LG smart home devices that they partnered with.

28:36So early morning on Tuesday the 13th. Very, very considerate of them to do it. You think the touchscreen Macs would be part of this? I think no. I don't think so. I think they would be their own thing. Signs point to not yet at this point. Xbox launched a new division called XP, you know, like experience points, to handle its non-gaming ventures. You may say, what non-gaming ventures does Xbox have? Xbox Pictures will pursue film and TV adaptations, you know, like Fallout or the Minecraft movie. Xbox Products will handle licensing and merch, like all the stuff they sell at Ikea and get a stuffy Xbox thing, that kind of stuff.

29:17Xbox Partnerships will cover brand partners and sponsors and Xbox Places will run live events, both online, in-person, theme park events, stuff like that. The former president of Mojang Studios, Kayleen Walters, will take over XP and Reddit's chief product officer, Maria Angelito-Smith, will take over as CEO of Mojang. So a little executive move in there as well. um what did windows xp mean back in the day experience is really if i remember correctly okay yeah i never yeah but good point like they're just taking the old xp name and sticking it in xbox yeah i mean it's you know it's something i remember anyway crowdstrike released more information about its investigation into the attack on seven korean financial organizations using the rtex tool they found exposed ai session logs that included a resume writing request that listed a Chinese university and a location in Guangdong.

30:13In response to OpenAI's release of 700 mathematical manuscripts, the 26-day-old Association for Human Mathematics, so this is something they started in response to OpenAI, issued a statement saying, mathematicians did not ask for this work to be done and called on mathematicians to stop working with OpenAI. uh surprisingly samsung posted a nearly 900 percent year over year rise and operating profit on the sale of chips chip maker tsmc posted a 51 rise in sales it turns out uh pretty hot market yeah the stock market has already gone to but how long can it last which may be a good sign uh that they're they're getting skeptical about this because that might mean the price comes down for the rest of us, which may lead you to want to use what memory you can afford to get more efficiently.

31:10And thanks to Motang for posting this one on our subreddit. A team at Meta developed a new memory compression method for Linux called CRAM that can keep compressed data in memory without a swap. So it's like ZRAM, but doesn't swap. If you know what that means, you know what I mean. Otherwise, don't worry about it too much. It runs fast. That's the part you need to know. It runs at DRAM speed at least 5.4 times faster than ZRAM. It has something called the chicken bit that, among other things, helps stop cascading failures, which I'm only including because it's called the chicken bit, and I think it's fun.

31:43But basically, a better compression method that works faster and makes better use of your memory if you're using Linux. Florida and three other states filed lawsuits against TP-Link, alleging that it lied about ties to China and risks to its routers being attacked. TP-Link is one of the few router makers that hasn't received an exemption to a U.S. ban on routers made outside the U.S. For comparison, Netgear, Asus, AdTran, Amazon and its Eero subsidiary, Calix, Nokia, SpaceX's Starlink division, and several others have received those exemptions. Yeah, when they first put this ban in place, people are like, well, how many companies are going to get exemptions?

32:24Turns out everyone but TP-Link seems to be the answer. I can has released details on 1 ,615 new applications for top level domains. Top level domain means like.com,.org. You may not realize several years ago, I can opened up a process where you can run a new top level domain. There's lots of top level domains these days. OpenAI filed for 15 of them. Some of them obvious,.chat GPT. Some of them make sense when you think about it,.mcp, you know, for the protocol that lets you interoperate with servers. and they're among six people who applied for.AGI, Artificial Generalized Intelligence. Google applied for 30 TLDs, including being among eight applicants who would like to operate.API.

33:11Anthropic asked for.Anthropic and.Claud. Makes sense. Microsoft would like.Copilot and.MSFT. Meta applied for.Wareables and was one of two applying for.Superintelligence. 13 applicants want dot agent that makes sense it's a hot one uh there's also applications for dot brand dot mars dot hub dot official uh not all of these will be granted and when there's more than one application uh icann looks at the community reasons for needing it and will decide who gets awarded these by november 17th super dot super intelligence although i mean it's that's pretty obvious. It's like, it's a long... Yeah, I don't want to type that.

33:59That's what bookmarks are for, I suppose. The U.S. Department of Labor suspended Microsoft and Adobe from its permanent labor certification program that makes it easier to hire foreign workers. Yeah, they weren't the only ones either, but those were the biggest names. And finally, U.S. scientist Margaret Hamilton has died at age 90. We don't normally talk about obituaries on DTNS, but Hamilton was significant. She was the first programmer and the leader of the development of the computer system that was used by NASA's Apollo Lunar Program. Not a high pressure job at all to make sure that, you know, people don't die on the moon because your computer system didn't work properly.

34:39Yeah. Yes. RIP Ms. Hamilton. We like to end every episode here on DTNS with shared perspectives. And today, Norm has a little praise for Roger Chang. Yeah. Norm writes, Hey, DTNS crew. I heard one of the greatest lines of all time on Friday's show last Friday, and it hit me so hard. I actually wrote it down while driving to Los Angeles for Saturday's meetup. The phrase was yes, with a but no, with a however, I don't know where Roger pulled that from or if it's an original creation, but I approve wholeheartedly. It's one of those wonderfully compact turns of phrase that sticks with you. And I can only hope I remember to use it someday.

35:21Just wanted to share how much that moment landed for me. And I wish I had told Roger in person on Saturday, but Roger actually saw this and responded on email and said like, yeah, I don't remember where I got it, but I didn't make it up. It's from somewhere else. Roger has a lot of zingers though. Um, you know, you blink and you miss it sometimes, You know, he likes to fly under the radar, but he's one of our brightest for sure. And yeah, you guys had a really fun meetup on Saturday. I didn't go because it was so hot in LA. I just couldn't. Yeah. We almost didn't catch on fire. It was 100 degrees, but it was nice that so many people did show up given the heat.

35:58I do have a question for Norm, though. He said, I wrote it down while driving. Huh. Norm. Explain. Because he showed up alone. There wasn't anybody else with him when he showed up. Maybe write it down while driving is like the yesteryear of like, pick up the phone. Maybe he wasn't literally driving the car. He'd stopped for gas or something and then wrote it down. Or he just said like, hey, assistant, write this down. Put it in notes. Yeah, right, right. Okay, it's an anachronism. It's like writing it down, but you didn't actually have it. Not an anachronism, but yeah, yeah. It's an outdated phrase, but we, yeah.

36:41Okay. All right. We're going to give you the benefit of the doubt, Norm. Let us know for sure, though. We know you're safe, but yes. No writing and driving. What's on your mind? Do you have a good way to take notes while you're in the car? You have insight into any story that we talk about? Let us know. Share it with us. We read every single email. Feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. Big thanks to Norm for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. So I need help. I want to make sure that our Patreon isn't broken. Can one of you sign up to be a patron just for a month or something?

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