Amazon Joins the Year of Smart Glasses - DTNS 5131

0:04This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 23rd, 2025. We tell you what you need to know. We follow up on context. We try our best to help each other understand. Today, the year of smart glasses shapes up with Amazon making its delivery drivers wear them. And Andy Beach tells us why Reddit is suing data brokers for using Google search. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Wynne Witt Dow. And I'm very excited you're back, Wynne. We miss you. I'm excited to miss you guys too. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. as i continue to believe that 2026 will be the year of the smart glasses uh we get yet another entrant into the race in fact we've got two in today's show see if you can spot the second one the first one amazon announced wednesday that it is testing smart glasses for its north american delivery drivers that plans to give everybody them but they're starting in north america they look like normal glasses uh but they have a monochromatic heads-up display in one lens gives you a kind of a green overview, very 1980s Apple II.

1:09It also has speakers and a camera, kind of thing you expect in smart glasses, and connects to a wireless controller that has buttons, including an emergency button, which I thought was interesting, and a swappable battery. So it's supposed to last all day, but if it doesn't, you can swap a new battery in. That wireless controller sits in the driver's vest. You always see them wearing those blue vests. It sits in the vest and then connects to the camera. The glasses are off until the driver parks. It can tell when the van has come to a stop, then they activate and it can highlight the package in the truck.

1:42So it's faster to find it. It can scan it to confirm it's the right one and log it as you know, like, okay, that one's been picked up. It can then provide walking directions to the address, which that can be very helpful in places that are multi-unit apartment buildings or shopping centers, business complexes. You can also use them to take proof of delivery. If you've ever seen them do that, they usually pull out a phone. Don't have to do that. You just take it right in the glasses. And they can accommodate prescription and even transitional lenses if you want them to turn dark out in the sun.

2:16All of this speeds things up by helping the delivery drivers find the right package faster, get the delivery location faster, and keep their hands free the whole time. Well, I guess they have to carry the package. You can't do that wirelessly yet. But you don't have to juggle all those. Future versions could add alerts for hazards, like if it identifies a loose dog in a yard, or if you're about to drop it off at the wrong address, like, oh, that's not the right place. I don't know. I know this isn't the biggest story in the world, but I thought it was a big story because it is non-controversial, right?

2:49It doesn't have the privacy implications that you sometimes have along with these. It's certainly helpful for the driver, but not replacing them. just making their job easier. Yeah, I think this is one of those specific cases that I think for, I assume for anyone who's like a smart glass enthusiast and knows the story of Google Glass or just like in general, this is one of those cases where it just feels like it really fits, right? Where it's something commercial, it has a very specific purpose and it, as you said, does not replace the person, just makes their job easier and seems like there's a lot of safety involved from just safety of using it where it doesn't really automate, doesn't really work while the driver's driving And, you know, like for things like, yeah, loose, loose pests or verifying mistakes.

3:30It seems like, I think it's like, seems like generally like a big win. I guess if you wanted to get a little dystopian or big brothery, you could argue that maybe something, something about Amazon being able to track drivers, which I mean, fair. This would not be the way they'd do it. Is what I think. Because I thought of the same thing and I'm like, yeah, but they could already track you with the van and your phone. The van and your phone. So I guess we can fall back on that. Well, they're probably doing that in other ways, whether that's like a not particularly rigorous argument or not. But I don't know.

4:02Like, yeah, this just seems like the the the canonical use case for advocating for this kind of tech and kind of one that just seems like it's just all wins so far. I don't. And not over-engineered. No, it's not. A lot of times with the consumer devices, you're trying to make them look cool in the demonstration. And so you put stuff in where you're like, yeah, that's cool on stage, but do I really need to do that? This is all very limited. Like it's monochromatic. It's, it's green because that's easier to read, right? Not because it's prettier or flashier in an advertisement. It's interesting when they like, they just need to make it work for the delivery driver.

4:36They work. You know, I, I almost, I almost want something like this although i don't need it you know what i mean exactly exactly and this is a situation where well i guess you don't need it but it really does enhance like the whole the whole purpose is to enhance someone's work or someone's like productivity or capability i like it yeah i know i i think it's one thing that's kind of interesting about the current crop you know now that like project um samsung's like headset has come out yeah galaxy xr headset is that everything it's kind of built on flashy really cool demos right where you know you can fly through the air in google maps or you can do this you can do that and while we can't argue that it's not cool and the technology behind it is very sophisticated it's hard for the common person to be to connect with that because like yeah i mean that's really cool but how often am i gonna be looking at you know family photos with the big headset on yeah this just feels like okay that's like as practical AF, you know, like that, this just seems like a really feel good technology piece, regardless of other companies.

5:38The other couple of things I thought was, I don't know who's making these for Amazon. I'd be very curious about that, uh, because that company might also make them for others or Amazon may be, you know, controlling the design the way Apple or others do. Uh, and, and Amazon could market these to others, you know, because they would be useful in other business situations like this yeah especially since they already have like a network of like suppliers and like sellers right so presumably many of them are large enough to have you know like logistics in a warehouse and things like that so that could be that very interesting point it could come as part of part like kind of like a perk or like and have what do you what do you call that nanon a a side a side by being listed on amazon market or something yeah yeah i don't know But that's a really good point.

6:28Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how these roll out. As much as I have to admit that I'm not always crazy about Amazon practices, I do feel as a technology person, this is pretty cool. Yeah, this was part of an event where Amazon was talking about technologies coming to its logistics operations. They also announced two new tools at its warehouse, a robotic arm called Blue Jay, which I thought was unfortunately taking sides in the World Series. Yes. But OK, that robotic arm works alongside humans to pick items off the shelves and a tool called Aluna, not Luna. We'll get to that later. A Luna, E-L-U-N-A, which is kind of providing operational insights, scanning the warehouse operations and recommending places that you could improve things.

7:15That's always been a really fascinating thing. I like I've mentioned before on the show, I studied some machine learning algorithm, like kind of AI, but I'm trying to use like different phrasing just to kind of like broaden it out. And it's so interesting how logistics and scheduling are one of the things I've been like research for decades and decades with, you know, these kind of like technologies, these kind of algorithms. So again, the other arguments about AI we have put aside, these are kind of just the quintessential uses for this kind of machine learning and this kind of intelligence just to kind of make some of these repetitive, like pattern full, you know, kind of operational tasks easier.

7:52And it's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. I mean, it's the way you get packages from Amazon so fast is they're always working on little things like this to shave off seconds that accumulate over time. Absolutely. Well, us at DTS are made possible by you, the listener. Let's take a little time to thank Alo, Adam L., Philip Less, Howard Yermich, and welcome our new patron, Jeff. Yes, see, that's why we needed you back when you bring in the new patrons. Thank you, Jeff. Welcome back.

8:26Of course, there's more we need to know. Let's get to the briefs. Well, we have some follow-ups on OpenAI News. First, the head of Sora, Bill Peebles, posted on X that in the next few days, the app will let you scan in pets and objects like a stuffy toy that you can animate in videos. He also mentioned adding editing tools, including the ability to stitch clips together. Now, OpenAI's head of the Atlas browser, Adam Fry, posted on X that profiles are coming to the browser along with tab groups and AdPlucker and more. And OpenAI's CISO posted on X about mitigations to security risks that arise from prompt injections, where an attacker could hide malicious instructions in a website or email and trick you into scanning it with ChatGBT or its agent.

9:11He recommends running more tasks in a logged out mode. Also, the agent will pause if you move away from a tab that is handling sensitive info. And OpenAI has acquired Software Applications, a startup that makes Sky, an AI assistant for Mac desktops. The team will be rolled into the chat GPT team. Yeah, a lot of people were making hay out of that CISO post that he was brushing aside security risks. I think the criticism is really focused around there were a lot of things in that post about we're working hard on things that will come out and help, you know, and not as many details. And this was the only details that he gave.

9:49But this is not a bad thing to say, like, make sure you're using logged out mode more often. And I thought it was interesting that they had so many people just posting on X with the like, hey, we've got, you know, browser improvements coming. Here's a list of them, you know, and we've got more features coming to Sora, which I think they're probably seeing a little decline in usage as people kind of get used to like, oh, OK, I know what it does. It's like, OK, let's let's let you scan in your stuffed animal and have it animated and you can dance with it. Like, oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the kind of like the initial fun and hype cycle is kind of down and then people are kind of wondering what there is.

10:27So of course, yeah, they would want to kind of list out, Hey, like, please don't go away. We have other things coming. I mean, and I guess to be fair, I, as someone who understands that people tend to forget things like that they're logged in or logged out, I get the apprehension. Um, but I mean, at least they said it, I mean, again, the warning is good, like letting people have it. That's the kind of problem with transparency or transparency in tech is that it's kind of a danged if you do, danged if you don't situation. A lot of times people don't realize something is a problem until you talk about how to solve it, and then they blame you for it existing in the first place.

11:01So you have problems, yeah. Speaking of a problem, did you get hit by the AWS outage at all? Oh, gosh, in multiple ways, yes. Yeah? Yeah, at work, at home, everything. So I imagine you are among the many people who are interested in what actually caused it. And AWS posted details about the U.S. East 1 outage from Monday. Definitely read the postmortem if you want the full details. And good job, Amazon, for being this transparent. It is a well-detailed description of what happened. As we mentioned, the whole thing began with a defect in the DNS management, as it always does, for DynamoDB. That system, here's the new details, has two parts.

11:44a DNS planner, not a DTNS planner, that's me, a DNS planner that monitors load balance and then creates DNS plans that are then applied by a DNS enactor. So the domain name planner, and then it gives the info to the enactor, which then makes the changes in the domain name system. The defect, and they didn't really talk about what caused the defect, so maybe they're still trying to figure that out. But the defect meant that one enactor experienced unusually high delays. It just got caught up. And so it wasn't applying the changes fast. Whereas a second enactor was operating on time. So that when the first enactor finally applied its changes, the second read them as stale, like those are old, and then removed all of them.

12:39That left the system in a state that prevented any future updates. So they were basically, it's called a race condition, where the system was trying to read a record while it was being updated, meaning it was out of date immediately. And that caused the whole thing to just go out of whack. Well, as you can imagine, then things cascade from there. The DropFlet workflow manager needs DynamoDB in order to fire up EC2 virtual machines on the physical servers. If that sounds like gobbledygook to you, It just means that DynamoDB being out of whack meant it couldn't fire up new virtual machines. So there was a big backlog of it waiting.

13:19Like, I've got all these requests. I'm waiting for DynamoDB. And so when DynamoDB did get back up and running, a few hours after the problem was identified, the backlog was too much. That led to cascading failures with new virtual servers. That delayed their launch. and then the delayed launch of the virtual servers caused problems with other services, including Lambda, which we mentioned. So getting out from under that backlog and its consequences pretty much took the rest of the time of the outage. They fixed the original problem in a couple hours, but the reason it lasted until noon was they were trying to work out that backlog.

13:54AWS has disabled the automation on the DNS until it can be sure it can prevent another race condition from happening. Wow. Well, I mean, that's, I mean, just the fact that they could forensic this is amazing. But for me, that's just their job. I don't do this kind of engineering. So it's just fascinating to me that they were able to kind of figure that out. Oh, man. And give lots of details about this for people who are interested. I think that's smart, too. Yeah, I mean, at this point, given the scale, I mean, like, just to say that AWS is used at large scale is kind of like just the understatement of the week.

14:25But I guess given that position, it does behoove them to be as transparent as possible, especially with the outage was amazing. And I guess I credit the fact that they are able to operate at the scale that they managed to get it back relatively quickly. But still, that's pretty amazing. I wrote a race condition like two weeks ago, and it didn't have this kind of impact. But it's kind of comforting to me as just a little tiny one-person software engineer that, yes, concurrency is very, very hard. Getting things to happen at the same time without blowing up is very hard. So if AWS got it wrong, then I'll allow myself.

15:03It makes you forgive yourself a little more. Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah, I know what you mean. Well, Amazon is relaunching its Luna game service for Prime subscribers at no additional cost. The biggest change is the addition of Game Night. This lets multiple people play one game using their phones as a controller. Games will include the Jackbox Party Pack 9, Tetris Effect Connected, Angry Birds, and an original game called, wait for it, Courtroom Chaos, starring Snoop Dogg and hosted by an AI version of Snoop Dogg. I immediately have to try that to see what an AI version of Snoop is like. And really smart that they got the Jackbox Party Pack.

15:46I know that Netflix is trying to do this kind of like, you know, game night sort of thing where everybody's in the same room and controlling things with their phones. But Jackbox is the pioneer of that. And when I think of having done that in the past on like an Xbox or something, it was always Jackbox. Yeah. And I even wonder, like sometimes like I think the like using your phone as a controller has been done several times. And it's always kind of like a kind of a dicey thing, especially even like Angry Birds. I think Angry Birds is a mobile game. mobile game. But even something like Tetris or something where there might be some competitiveness or some reflex or timing issue that might affect the gameplay, it always makes me a little bit nervous.

16:25But Jackbox Party Pack is, I think, the game for that to work on. I mean, it already does it, right? Like with mobile controllers. I think it's cool. Perfect. Although Courtroom Chaos may be the new Jackbox. We will find out.

16:43uh okay that's enough amazon news a huge number of online scams are operated by organizations set up in rural myanmar near the border of thailand uh those organizations believe they have a chance of escaping prosecution because of the rural location it's hard to get there and the current government of myanmar is fighting a bit of a civil war however myanmar's military says it shut down one such operation, a major one, and seized 30 Starlink terminals. Starlink business operations head Lauren Dreyer said on X Wednesday that the company has disabled more than 2 ,500 Starlink terminals suspected of being used by scammers in the region.

17:21We don't know exactly how they identified them, but they may have discovered terminal ID numbers as a result of this seizure. Like there was obviously 30 actual terminals seized, but maybe they discovered a list of other IDs or something like that and were able to shut those off. all right well android authority passed along info from a leaker on weibo that claims the release of the samsung galaxy s26 will not happen in january as it has for the past two years but will possibly be moved back to mobile mobile world congress in either february or march meanwhile deal site poured some water on the previous report saying that the x x sorry x i always say it wrong actionos not actionos like i was like i was sean connery they should actually change it to be Action OS.

18:05That would be amazing. Okay, well, so the Exynos 2600 might be used in the majority of S26 models. Deal site sources say yields are only large enough for the processor to be used in about 30 % of S26 shipments. So that leaves the rest of the need to be served by the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5. Probably not a big deal for most consumers, but it's bad news for those hoping for Samsung to have a chip come back. Yeah, I was pretty convinced that Samsung had leaked the details about the Exynos being so great and like, this is so powerful. We're going to use it in pretty much every S26 we can. And DL side is like, yeah, but the yields are less than 50%.

18:49That makes sense, yeah. Big thanks to Joel Freak for posting this one on our subreddit. It has been determined that three people were wrongly accused of downloading child abuse images in Wales in 2016 due to a broadband wiring error by BT. Two wires in a street cabinet had been crossed, meaning the IP addresses were associated with the wrong address. Now, the David Powess police eventually found and prosecuted the actual offender, but these folks had to go through some trials, you know, some tentative restrictions because an IP address is not a location. that's this is just frightening and the fact that it's something so mundane as two wires in a cabinet got crossed that seems like it's nothing so in their table they were like that ip address goes with that address but the wire was sending that ip address to a nearby place yeah ip addresses are not locations y 'all just yes that's okay they're close they're approximate but they're not enough to tell someone like you can't stay at home with your children alone which is what happened to one of these people.

20:02Okay. All right. Well, after the end of support for Windows 10, a Linux distribution called Zorin OS saw a spike in downloads, 72 % from Windows machines, of more than 100 ,000 over two days. That's vanishingly small, a hundredth of a percent of Windows 10 installs out there, but it's still notable. It's also worth noting that a city in France has been switching its town hall computers to free and open source software, including Zorin OS. Yeah, I have two binds. One, I'm like, woo, 100 ,000 downloads. That's great for Zorin OS. But part of me is like, that's also not that many considering. And when you got a city in France doing this, but still, it's still good for Zorin OS.

20:41And now people know about Zorin OS. Hey, getting the name out there. Finally, some quick headlines that are just good to know. If you want to understand news in the future, pay attention to these. Bloomsburg sources say Microsoft's CFO Amy Hood has set a goal of 30 % profit margins for its Xbox gaming division. leading to price rises, canceled products, and layoffs. Alibaba announced its Quark AI glasses, smart glasses, which includes speakers, a camera, mic, and a chatbot, will go up for pre-order on October 24th for 4 ,699 yuan. That's about$660 US, and they'll ship in December. Google told Android Authority that a GPU driver update is coming to the Pixel 10 line, but did not give enough details to determine And this will address complaints about GPU and gaming performance.

21:28A speaker from a research firm called Omdia, speaking in Seoul, said that Apple will launch the iPhone 18 in the first half of 2027. The first half of 2027. And then in the second half, launch the Pro models of new iPhones. But those will be called the iPhone 20. They'll skip 19 in honor of the iPhone's 20th anniversary. Well, Bloomberg reports how ChatGPT and Gemini are struggling to get adoption in African countries like Nigeria and Kenya, while cheaper models like DeepSeq and Alibaba's Quinn advance because it is cheaper and easier to adapt to local languages. Wise announced the battery video doorbell, that's the name of it, with a claim of six months of battery life for$66.

22:10The two-hour final episode of Netflix's Stranger Things will show in 350 movie theaters on December 31st and January 1st, along with the release on the Netflix service. China released a new K-Visa program earlier this month, making it easier for young tech workers from the U.S. and elsewhere to move to China even without a job or a sponsor. And China's Communist Party released its latest five-year economic plan, which referenced technological self-reliance as a goal. Oh, I bet those two are related. Okay, those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper. Well, Reddit's taking some lesser known AI data brokers to court, accusing them of laundering its content through Google.

22:52Andy Beach explains why this might redraw the line between the open web and AI. Andy Beach, welcome back. Hey, Tom, it's so good to see you. It's good to see you too. Let's talk about data, the new way to launder things. That's about the most accurate way you could put it. Yeah. I mean, some people have called data oil, but I guess in this way, it's more like money. What's going on with Reddit and who are they after? Well, so this has been something we've been seeing more and more of, but this was a big swing, I think, by Reddit. They're suing four companies simultaneously. Okay. Is it four different cases, but they're all against a different company?

23:32Interesting. Yeah, exactly. But it's all the same reason. Same claims. And these are a little lower level, like they've done similar things with OpenAI in the past. I believe they've done similar with, they've made several deals with Meta, but now they're going after Perplexity, SERP API, OxyLabs, and AWM Proxy, claiming all of them are scraping Reddit data and Google search results and using it for industrial scale data laundering. So if I'm understanding this right, instead of paying Reddit, which is what Reddit would like to get Reddit data, they go to a search engine, Google, and find the search engine results for Reddit stuff and then scrape it that way?

24:19Yeah, exactly. The case calls it a middle layer, basically harvesting search index content in order to skirt paywalls and licensing restrictions. So they're not breaking Google's terms of service. We don't know because Google is not bringing the case. Correct. They're taking data that's out there. What's Reddit's argument here? What are they trying to say? Like, why is it out there on the search engine? Is it just like, this is against our terms of service or something? I think they are trying to make an argument that it breaks their terms of service because you didn't go directly to them for the source.

24:57The bigger issue and the larger issue that is in play is that everybody recognizes the importance of data in training these models now. And everybody expects there to be a license for it in some form. Reddit has already done this a few times, but with bigger places. And so this is them looking to set a precedent that data brokers can't go and hide behind a crawl or a search in order to get what they want. They have to come directly to them and find a way to pay to get access to what they want. Yeah, I think that's another important point here because you hear perplexity and you're like, oh, so they're training their models and maybe they are.

25:37But that's not what's at issue here. It's the data broker part of that. Explain that a little for folks. Yeah, I mean, so it's ultimately this is sort of the first lawsuit they've had around this scraping supply chain issue. So it is slightly different than the previous ones. What it basically means is that if in future cases that come up or in future business scenarios where someone tries to come in and scrape a search result versus scraping the website directly, they will have a precedent that is set that says a data broker is not allowed to go by this path. They can only go through to glean information out of the content or out of the website or the URL directly versus a search result that would be some abbreviated version of the data.

26:32And the data brokers sell the data on to other people. Correct. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is for them is an optimization business. Right, they're the middlemen. And what Reddit is saying is it's fine if you do that to make our site more viable and findable. It's not okay if you use it to train something that potentially limits or mitigates the need to go to our website. And they're not suing Google. So presumably Google, even though they would have the biggest opportunity to do that, is not doing that. At least Reddit's not accusing them of it. Absolutely. They're sort of still staying out of this, interestingly.

27:07I mean, I guess part of it is no doubt that they are also training their own models and they are doing their own pieces. And so they are sort of cutting a fine line here. But at the end of the day, I think they see it as Reddit's problem and concern. And Reddit is, it looks like, happy to take it on with their chief legal officer. This is another tightening of the web. in the long history of the web, which is an infinitely copyable medium, we've seen the continuing tightening of the ability to copy things, which hobbles the web in its biggest advantage, which is the free flow of information. So we've got another battle that it's, you know, we have the copyright battle, which says, well, you can copy stuff, but you can't always copy stuff.

27:55And we want to put DRM on it to control it. Now you have people saying, well, we don't mind if you copy it even. but we don't want you using it for this particular purpose. That is a new thing. Right. It is a question of whether you can only consume it or whether you can monetize that in some way to further without there being a license. We don't mind you having it, but if you try to sell it to somebody for training purposes, then we're going to get upset and you can't do it. That's going to cause a lot of problems. Well, and it's just, it's going to lead sort of to your point with DRM, it's going to lead to probably new technologies that get created to further protect or encrypt in some way or to block the ability to directly use it, which will make it harder for consumers who just want to use the content to access it.

28:51So we're probably in for a little bit of rocky ground until it's stabilized. Yeah. Every time you've tried to play a video you own or think you own and have been told that DRM failed or a playback failed or it only plays the audio and your screen is black. Yeah. You are running into the other side of that DRM or we might have similar things for data. And I'm not even trying to say Reddit is wrong. I'm just saying this is going to cause those kinds of problems as we pursue solutions for it. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they, you know, they, they very well are in the rights to how they choose to monetize and, and make these deals.

29:31No question, but it will make it, it will make for interesting times as we, as we see how much of a roadblock it becomes to just using the internet for what we want. Well, Andy, thank you so much for bringing this to us and chatting with us about it. If folks want to continue to get your insights, where should they go? So I'm writing about media and AI and how the two converge constantly over at my sub stack. It's engines of change dot AI. Fantastic. Thanks, Andy. Thanks, Tom. Yeah, man, we got data fights. It's not going to get better. I mean, this I really appreciate the angle that you brought about kind of like the spirit of the free and open web, because I think this is just one of those things where it's like a human, very human thing where we try to.

30:19we're very good at meeting challenges like as they come um and then looking forward especially for things like this is so hard but in the course of trying to correct like kind of like this the smaller to mid-level like issues what does that mean for kind of like the broader thing and are we kind of as a society as like a technology-enabled society are we pushing ourselves into a corner or kind of i guess degrading the the good the kind of good and ideal things that we are built everything on. I don't know. It's very interesting. Something about forest and trees, right? Yes. There you go. Forest for the trees.

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31:08We end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. Today, Mike has an educated guests about what Apple is up to with Apple TV. Yeah. So Mike was just pondering all of Apple's recent news and rumors. He says concerning the rebranding of Apple TV Plus, HomePods renewed push into home automation. And I had a thought, what if the replacement for the Apple TV box is a new HomePod? Rumors are that Apple is making a HomePod with a screen, which I think they will as well. But I bet they also make one without a screen that is designed to plug into the biggest screen in your house, your TV. Apple TV would be Apple's streaming service that is accessed through this new device that would also host your other streaming apps as well as all their home automation plays.

31:52Current Apple TV already dabbles with this. It can run automations and view HomeKit-enabled security cameras. If the HomePod is not just an audio-first device with a smart assistant built in, but rather the center of all your home automations, Apple would make itself the center of your home's operating system. Just a thought. I like it, Mike. It makes sense. Yeah. I think, Mike, if Mike hasn't cracked it, Apple should pay attention to Mike because I think it's a good... Right? It's actually a very Apple-y idea. So, Mike, if they aren't doing it, you should get some kickbacks for that or something because, yes, absolutely.

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