Amazon Zoox Just Cleared an Important Federal Bar for AVs - DTNS 5321

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2:31This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, July 30th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context, and help each other understand. Today, Amazon Zoox just cleared a major hurdle in the U.S. that could pave the road for more AVs like them in the future. Zoox. I like saying that word. We're going to say it a lot. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Wintwetow. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. That's right. Amazon's Zoox, which is kind of like their fully autonomous fleet of vehicles for ride share and that sort of stuff, just secured the first U.S. exemption that lets it charge for rides in its fully driverless steering wheel free.

3:15You know, there's no brake pedal, any of that. Robo taxis. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, NHTSA, approved deployment of up to 2 ,500 of its vehicles every year for the next two years, deeming them as safe as conventional cars that meet similar, you know, its standards, basically. They are under tight rules, though, for things like providing extra reporting on crashes, inappropriate stops, other operational issues. They also must publish maps of their operating zones, and they have to keep all remote operators inside of the United States so they can't outsource outside of the country.

3:58NHTSA retains the power to revoke the exemption if any critical safety problems arise. NHTSA Administrator Jonathan Morrison told Reuters that it also expects to issue the first federal safety standards focused specifically on automated driving systems by the end of the current presidential administration term. Now, currently, Zook's vehicles do operate in Las Vegas and San Francisco, but they do so under a free ride preview model that basically meant that they are not charging or were not charging a fee for those rides and would not do so until federal approval was granted. here we are. So it's kind of a big moment because these are vehicles that are fully autonomous, that do not have a steering wheel, do not have a driver, do not have a brake pedal.

4:51Yes, you could ride in these if you've been to Vegas or apparently San Francisco, which I live in the Bay Area. I haven't been to San Francisco in a while, nor have I ridden in a Zoox in either of those places. So this is kind of the first clearance of that type of thing. And yeah, interesting to see where it leads to. Yeah, it's actually kind of personal anecdote. I had a friend that worked at Zooks for a long time. She wasn't an engineer. She actually was a policy person. This was like 10 years ago. And I think part of, and it was so interesting to me that part of, like a big part of like autonomous vehicles and eventual adoption of them is not just the engineering part, of course, which is super important as well as safety, but also things like this, like exemptions, law, legal policy, and rules and safety standards around them.

5:38So it's, I mean, this was before, I believe Amazon's acquired Zoox. This was a long time ago, but it's kind of really fascinating to see the timeline of this going forward. And I don't know. So you've written a Zoox, Jace. You have written a Zoox is what you said? You know, I wish that I had, the last time I was in Vegas for CES, I was waiting for a Zoox after a DTNS meetup, actually. Right after the DTNS meetup, They had Zook's stop for that outside of the hotel, and I was trying to get back to my hotel. And the wait time was like 45 minutes, and it was already late. And I was like, as much as I really want to do this, I just bailed on it because I was tired.

6:19I should have done my journalistic integrity thing, but I was tired. I needed to sleep. I mean, yeah, it's definitely an exciting time. It's so funny because I think I've had arguments with my husband and other close friends about how usually this is after driving at home. I'm from the D.C. area or driving somewhere I'm not familiar with. It's like, you know, human beings, we just suck at driving. We don't deserve to drive. And so I can't wait for autonomous vehicles. Of course, now we're on the precipice of actually having widespread adoption of autonomous vehicles. I don't know if I – I guess I'm still a little bit nervous.

6:51Are you? I mean, I think to some extent I trust. And obviously there's a lot of good, you know, all of these different provisions and, you know, kind of safe safety standards and all the kind of things are being put in place. So I do, you know, I do trust that and I do I do. Yeah, I put trust in that. It's just more like it's going to be I think it's very interesting for as a human being who has driven like for 20 years now, maybe my actual feelings about, oh, am I going to be able to like from a from a nervousness perspective, step into a fully autonomous vehicle? I don't think I'm actually ready yet.

7:25Yeah. I mean, I don't know. You know, I do. I think I've mentioned before, we do have a Model Y. We have a Tesla Model Y. Granted, it's not exactly the same thing here. But I've had, we do not pay for the full self-driving package. But there have been a couple of times where we go out to our vehicle and we realize they've given us 30 days of the full self-driving. You know, because they're trying to, they're doing the drug dealer thing. It's like, here, get a taste and then you'll pay us for it. And it took me a little bit of trust in the system to try that out and everything. And it was really neat.

7:57And it was certainly helpful because both times it just happened to line up with times when we were taking road trips. And so we got to experience what it was like to just kind of hand things off a little bit. And so I think my trust level was kind of won over more than it had been. um but you know but it is it is kind of a different thing though when you get into or at least i have to imagine when you get into a vehicle and there's no steering wheel there's no one even in that seat there's no brake pedal like what the heck do you do at the same time when i think about it we are so used to um giving over our trust to a random person who's driving us somewhere really fair and and like we've because we've done it so much we're used to it we're exposed to it that's but But we're still giving our trust in something or someone we don't know and expecting that nothing bad is going to happen, although also kind of taking on the risk of something possibly bad happening.

8:55Like there's risk everywhere. So, yeah, I am curious to see what this means as far as the kind of the impact and arrival of more autonomous driver features like expanded in consumer vehicles, but also more of these kinds of ride share and what that means for ownership. Right. Do we need to own if these things are roaming the earth? Yeah, it is. It is super, super interesting. And I think I agree. I'm really curious to see eventually, and especially with all the extra reporting and stuff, to see as this is adopted to actually compare, of course, human drivers versus autonomous drivers. And you're right.

9:33Even though, again, as a software engineer, I almost inherently distrust software, I also think it's fair to be nervous or concerned about other people's driving. In fact, again, that's why I've always had this complaint about, well, humans don't deserve to drive cars. You can't wait for autonomous vehicles. And now I'm being hit with that logic right in the face. but no I mean I do think it's super super interesting it's felt like such a far away thing for so long yeah and of course and it's it's so interesting because I know we covered a story sometime ago about an incident where I think I think Tom and I covered this at some point where it was like an incident but because it was autonomous and because this is relatively new it got pressed but like I believe it was a child the child was was relatively fine and that if anything I think it was like kind of very forward reporting because that's what's needed right now.

10:21So it is, I think, it's – I feel like we had a conversation or either you or me and you and Tom had this conversation about also about like things like other technologies that we're getting used to like smart glasses and things like that where we're in this really interesting time where we're kind of a lot of our social norms that have taken a while to build up are being challenged. Yeah. So smart glasses and privacy. Kind of rewriting some of that. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't really have too many bad feelings about this. I think like it does seem like a lot of people are working very hard to determine how this can be done with all the safety precautions and all the due diligence possible.

10:53So I'd be really curious to see what happens and especially what the next step for Zoox is, which is apparently or which seems to be, you know, actually having like paid for rides like an actual service. I'm really curious to see how it turns out. Yeah. And I wonder, you know, I didn't actually pull the information on this as far as when this actually goes into play. Like right now, if you're in Vegas or in certain parts of San Francisco, you can get a Zoox. It's free. It's still in that preview. Does this change immediately? I imagine not. I imagine now Amazon goes to the drawing board and figures out how they roll this out.

11:29So probably someday in the near future, we'll find out kind of what the fees associated with that might be. But for now, I do wish that I had taken that ride now in retrospect. I mean, not just now. I've thought about it multiple times where I was like, yeah, I was tired. But it would have been cool to kind of see what that is like and also to kind of check in with myself and see how do I feel in this experience? Because it's going where it goes. And you're going along with it. That's very strange. Well, we will be here to be with you as this new AV future approaches. and of course we want to take time to thank you because you all make it possible for us to be with you along this journey along this ride so we want to take time to thank Nathan Anderson Paul Thiessen Alisa Anjabi and A.B.

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15:10All right, there's so much more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. All right, well, DJI has officially rolled out the Osmo Pocket 4P handheld gimbal camera to select markets, including the UK, Europe, Canada, and Australia. Notably absent in that list is the U.S. market, as the U.S. government still hasn't given the Chinese company authorization to release its products in the U.S. The Osmo Pocket 4P now features two stacked lenses with a 1-inch CMOS sensor capable of 17 stops of dynamic range and a 60-millimeter telephoto lens for optical zoom. The cameras support 4K up to 240 frames per second and a new 10-bit D-Log2 color profile for improved color grading.

15:52However, the 10-bit log mode appears to be limited to just the main camera rather than that telephoto lens or the zoom lens rather. Plenty of launching reviews today with most saying the video quality and dynamic range is impressive. The dual camera system is a meaningful upgrade and far more flexible. and embedded storage along with the micro SD card slot makes it easier to grab and shoot in a pinch as Osmo usually does. They offer a vlog combo bundle that includes a frame tap remote for monitoring and controlling the camera, a mountable fill light, DJI mic mini 2 transmitter of course, carrying bag and other accessories for content creators.

16:27That camera is available for 599 euros and the vlog combo is available for 689 euros. Yeah I checked right before showtime and like I did find it, the kit on the creator kit, or I guess here they're calling it the vlog kit. On the Osmo Pocket 3, which I have, it was called a creator combo. So they changed the name a little bit. I did find it there,$850-ish US. So it is gettable. I don't know how long it would take to ship or if there's any asterisks associated with that amount. But it does look, I mean, I'm a huge fan of the Osmo Pocket 3. I have used it so much. When I think of the last two and a half years of being independent and I've made a lot of purchases to build up my personal content creation arsenal, the Osmo Pocket 3 is easily within the top three, possibly top one of devices that I just got an insane amount of value out of, like something that I bought and then ended up using an insane amount.

17:30So a huge fan of what they're doing. It's a shame that it's not more available because I know in the creator world, that has quickly become, the 3 at least, has quickly become kind of the go-to recommendation for people. And so it's kind of a bummer that it's not as easily accessible. It might mean you pay more for it if you're in the U.S., but it does look pretty promising. i i do and i i think it's so funny because um just for just for a tiny tiny little example i actually recommended the dgi 3 to my japanese teacher who is a content creator himself and he loved it like he like i wouldn't i mean he like i don't think i don't think he's like as professional as you are jason who's been doing this for a long time but i think that's really interesting is that even for someone who's not a professional like you know film camera like a content like a content creator by training as well as just by you know occupation that it It has been a really successful camera, so that's too bad.

18:22I do love how also the DGA mic minis are competing with the Rhodes for that very, very 2026 content creator. I'm holding my mic right here, or I'm clipping it to something very appropriate, or like Subway takes where they hold them behind the Metro cards. It is really interesting. Exactly, yes. With the pinky out. With the pinky out, Jason's holding up his little DJ. So it's crazy because DJI has – I guess if you pay enough attention, you watch enough content, which I probably watch too much content, that they've really... Yeah, you see them all over the place. Yeah, and they've really made themselves, even if you don't notice it, a little niche in content creation.

18:56It is really too bad. I mean, obviously, they have a big enough market that they're going to be fine. I was curious if you did see the Insta360 gimbal camera, because when I saw the frame tap... So the Insta360s is obviously the 360 cameras where you hold up and you get 360 view. Oh, I have seen those. You have? Yeah. And the footage looks really good. Yeah. Really seamless all around, yeah. The one thing that really caught my eye, because I was like, oh, well, you know, my dude Jason says that the DJI is kind of the thing. So what is this going to do? What is this going to bring? It actually, what reminded, what it made me, why I'm thinking of that is that this frame tap remote, which I think is so interesting.

19:32The Insta has an interesting way of doing it. It seems like, and I didn't check this before, and now I'm opening my mouth, is that it seems like they have a similar version of a remote, but it's like the entire faceplate of the viewfinder. You can actually remove it and use it as a remote. So I do think that's pretty interesting. I was thinking oh wow that seems like a killer feature is Insta360 going to take it but it seems like obviously the DJI has something already it seems like they're kind of co-evolving towards whatever it is that creators seem to be needing so yeah it's too bad we won't see it here yet?

20:05question mark? but I don't know it seems pretty cool yeah I'd love to get my hands on one and I'm considering it but then at the same time I'm like you know No, but what I have is doing me very well and continues to do me very well, so maybe I won't upgrade. But I'll be curious to see what more and more people say about it. Yeah. So, yeah, cool stuff there. Gemini. So, Gemini moving into robotics here. Google DeepMind has launched Gemini Robotics 2. It's a set of three Gemini-based vision language and action models for enabling robots to do things better in the physical world. So, for example, humanoid robots like Aptronic's Apollo 2, which has sharper hands, could screw in a light bulb or tie trash bags after very targeted training.

20:55Or even more impressively, like knot tying on like a broader sense, Ziploc sealing, self-tidying shelves and stuff like that. DeepMind is taking the three-model approach here, similar in some ways to how frontier AI companies release different size models tailored for deeper, more advanced and integrated uses and applications. In this case, you've got Gemini Robotics 2 driving full humanoids. ER 2 focused on how robots communicate with humans and understand the physical world. And then OnDevice 2, which is the more efficient model that's meant to run locally and quickly on robots. Google is adding multilayered guardrails.

21:39Probably be happy to hear that to address safety concerns with the model. and also introducing a new Asimov agentic safety benchmark to scan robot instructions for potentially harmful or uncertain outcomes before it actually acts on them. And this is interesting to me, and I'm pretty sure it'll be interesting to you too, Wynn, because CEO Demis Hassabis has talked about turning Gemini into an Android-style operating system for all kinds of robots. And that's kind of the approach that they're taking here. At least that's kind of how they're positioning this. It's kind of like an Android OS, but for robotics.

22:20Interesting. I think that's so interesting. I literally this morning saw a creator. I forgot their name, and this is a brand new creator to me, so I didn't do due diligence on everything. But I believe they were reporting from WAIC, the World Artificial Intelligence Conference. And we talked last week about the differing strategies and approaches and policy around AI, both like here for us in the West and here out in the East. And it really does feel like, especially in Asia, robotics have been such a big focus, especially in kind of the AI movement. So I think it's really encouraging to kind of hear about this and Gemini Robotics.

22:53And actually, I think that's really fascinating, as you said, to have Gemini be more of an OS. It's so funny because this year, obviously, for Android 17, we were hearing a lot. And I think, to be fair, like slightly rolling our eyes or our eyes kind of tipped upwards involuntarily about this idea of what an intelligence system is, at least for smartphones, because smartphones are smartphones. But if you're telling me that they're applying to robotics and like a hundred of these different capabilities as well as like guard rules they're putting in, I think it makes a lot of sense. I would be really careful about naming something Asimov Igentic just because you never know.

23:27Connotations are bad or good luck. But I do think this is truly interesting. I think it's easy sometimes to kind of dismiss robotics a little bit, especially when you watch some of the demos that go haywire. But it is something that can fill a lot of gaps in regards to health care, elderly folks' care, or even just different accessibility. We always talk about accessibility with AI and robotics. So I do think it's very encouraging to hear that at least somewhere Google and DeepMind in particular are focusing on this. I would be really curious to see what that operating system would look like or how it's different than what we consider a traditional operating system.

24:04Yeah, what that actually means on the underlying layer. The safety aspect of this is really fascinating to me too, and especially once we've seen with certain models and eugenic systems how they can do very unpredictable things and how impactful that can be in the digital sense, see open AI, hugging face, blah, blah, blah. Now apply that to the physical world and the physical reality with something like a humanoid home-helping robot, you know? And I'm not talking about, like, Terminator stuff. It's not like, oh, I'm worried that my home robot's going to kill me or something. But, like, does it make a silly mistake, you know, that, like, actually makes some sort of strangely rational sense, you know, which is kind of where these things go, right?

24:51Like, does it decide to throw away your expensive china set in the trash because of some kind of related decision that you fed it That actually seems like a rational approach, even though it doesn't make any sense to a human to do that, right? Yeah. I'll be curious how that plays out when we look at this story further down the line. We'll see. I will say that as a human being that worked in a robot's lab, I know I've told the story before that can't do – I mean, challenge – hold on. I'm trying to phrase this carefully, not to challenge robots to do worse than me. But as a person operating a robot, I once programmed the speed in meters when it should have been in feet.

25:29so wait yeah it was i i wanted it to go 10 feet per i wanted to go like five feet per second but it went five meters per second which is very fast and then i was like my partner in the robot lab was seeing our little i robot this was before they made room but zipping around in the back at like way too fast so anyway just to say um i cannot judge i cannot judge i mean this is this is really important though because uh ai and world models and conversion physical ai yes this is a really big developing story. It makes perfect sense to me that Google would want to be the one to be like, no, we've got an operating system for all this stuff.

26:07And so I'm curious to see how this develops. Yeah. Specialized models are definitely something to pay attention to in a good way. Well, we have another AI story for you. Can't get away from these days. Bloomberg has an interesting look at how airlines are replacing human rule-based fare setting with AI systems that can constantly adjust ticket prices using a myriad of live signals like demand patterns, booking pace, route popularity, and timing. Ultimately, that means fewer random cheap seats can be found on high-demand routes, and it makes dynamic pricing far more efficient for carriers. Bargain-hunting travelers will, in essence, have a harder time finding deals as a result, and at this stage, the tools are already rolling out at major airlines and moving toward becoming standard practice rather than just staying experimental.

26:57So good for somebody, but maybe not good for your average budget conscious traveler. Yeah. And I'm not at all surprised about this. By the way, this isn't like major earth shattering news story. This was just an interesting read that I came across. And like, I'm a real tall guy. You know, I'm six foot, almost eight, six foot eight inches almost. So when I travel already, I've kind of gone through the process of, Oh, great. I'll just get an exit row or I'll just get an aisle. I'll pick it at random when I board early on like a Southwest Airlines. And these options are being removed and monetized at a very deep level regularly and consistently.

27:36And so this is just another example of, oh, you know, you used to be able to bargain hunt because there were certain loopholes that, like, humans just weren't fast enough at closing them. And so you'd end up getting this screaming deal to go to Hawaii because you were there at right place, right time. And now, unsurprising to me anyways, these AI systems are being integrated in a way that kind of removes some of those loopholes. So what does that mean? Things are probably getting more expensive. Let's be real. Yeah, that sword cuts both ways. Because AI is really good at finding loopholes in security and also loopholes in cheap tickets.

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30:03and deployed. That's how they sack. That's technology at Capital One. All right, we got a few quick headlines to get through, make you look smarter. We don't want to end today without making you look smarter. So here are your headlines to do that. All right. Well, for your ensmartening, we have some earning reports. We've got Meta's profit actually shrank this quarter, even as it pulled in$60.8 billion in revenue last quarter, up 28 % year over year. Meta continues to invest in AI data center, AI data center, and it just raised that spending target again for the rest of the year. Then you got Microsoft closing out its fiscal year on the strength of cloud and AI.

30:47Big surprise. Azure, now the company's biggest growth engine, crossing$100 billion in annual revenue for the first time. And enterprise customers actually paying for Copilot. Apparently, that passed 30 million paid seats. Wow. All right. Well, Samsung's chip business posted a 250-fold profit jump on AI memory demand, but its mobile division took its first ever loss, about$544 million. Samsung says the squeeze won't ease before 2028 either, so expect phone prices to keep climbing right along with it. Samsung also confirmed on its earnings call that the Galaxy Tab S12 is coming in the second half of the year.

31:27Look forward to that. We'll talk about that on Android Faithful, I'm sure, at some point, too. Scale.ai apparently has a new CEO, former Google Cloud COO Francis de Souza, taking over from interim chief Jason Droge after founder Alexander Wang left for Meta last year. All right, well, thanks to R.W. Nash for this in the subreddit. The EU is expected to label ChatGPT and Roblox as, quote, very large online platforms under its Digital Services Act, the same category as Facebook and YouTube. This would mean mandatory risk assessments, transparency reports, and fees tied to global profits. They're getting bigger.

32:07Google Earth now has nano-banana image generation built in, so you can prompt it to turn any spot on the map into, well, whatever you want. The EU is putting up€10 billion to build seven AI gigafactories, each packing at least 100 ,000 advanced chips. It's hoping to pull in another 20 billion euros from private investors as part of a tech sovereignty push. Yeah. And now you've got DEF CON basically saying, don't you wear your meta-style smart glasses with cameras this year to the event. They're saying it's easy, how easy it is, to secretly record people when you have the recording light that is obscured or nearly invisible.

32:53Let's be honest, this is DEF CON full of hackers, people who are really good at obscuring things like that, be it through software or hardware or whatever. So they're just saying, don't wear your glasses here. Don't wear your smart glasses here anyways. Probably a good idea. All right, and Google's rolling out Lyria 3.5 Inflow Music. It's AI song generator offering richer melodies, better lyric accuracy, more expressive vocals, and tighter control over tempo and song length. Yeah, by comparison. I haven't played with this particular one, but when I've played around with Google's Music Generation, the songs are just so damn cheesy.

33:25It's just like... Anyways, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives today. Mark has an amusing historical thought about the Motorola Indigenous Languages app that we talked about on Tuesday. Yeah, Mark writes, regarding Motorola's Indigenous Collections program, I couldn't help think it's a good thing that this didn't exist during World War II or the Code Talkers, Navajo, Comanche, and Choctaw, would not have been as successful during the war. And a little note from Tom, odd coincidence, Code Talkers occasionally would have used walkie-talkies, which were made by the Galvin Corporation, which later became Motorola.

34:02No way. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Granted, that part of the business is now a separate one from the phone brand, Motorola Solutions versus Lenovo's Motorola Mobility, but still pretty cool. That's so interesting. Yeah. Of course, Tom has that connective tissue to loop them together. Who knew? Yeah. So this is one thing I always remember about Co-Talkers. I think when the movie Windtalkers – was it Windtalkers? Was it Windtalkers? The Nicolas Cage movie with Ben Yazzie, which was like a, you know, I assume somewhat fictionalized depiction of this. I do agree with you. It would have been tough to have an app with a collection of indigenous stories and language preservation going on.

34:47I did remember one of the things that will live rent free in my brain forever is that actually there was code on top of the indigenous languages being used. And the one I always remember is that I was listening to a segment by I think a real code talker saying that they actually added a code level on top of it. So, for example, the word terrain was actually also transformed to turkey rain, and then they would take turkey rain and then translate that to Navajo. So there was like extra layers. Oh, so interesting. Yeah, and I just remember that one because terrain, turkey rain. So presumably even if you did have Motorola's Indigenous Collections Program and you were able to figure out what they were saying, you would still have to figure out what the heck turkey rain was.

35:26You'd have to jump from one to the other to the other. Fascinating. But yeah, thank goodness for – I guess thank goodness. I mean I guess we're American. So thank goodness for us and for the Code Talkers that they did not have that. You're right, Mark. All right. You are right. Well, do you have anything you're thinking about? Do you have insight? We would love to hear it. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Yeah, big thanks to Mark for contributing to today's show. And thank you. That's right. I'm pointing at you. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron at Patreon.com slash DTNX.

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