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3:17Sarah Lane: Today, Google teases a partnership with Qualcomm, which could see laptops competing with Apple Silicon and Windows on ARM. I'm Tom Merritt. And I'm Sarah Lane. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story. At Qualcomm's Snapdragon Summit, Qualcomm CEO Cristiano Amon spoke with Google's SVP of platforms and devices, Rick Osterloh, star of Android Faithful every once in a while, about a version of Android being built for PCs. Osterloh commented on Google's plans to rebuild Chrome OS on an Android foundation. He said, we are building together a common technical foundation for our products on PCs and desktop computing systems.

4:00This is another way that we can leverage all of the great work we're doing together on our AI stack, our full stack, bringing Gemini models, bringing the assistant, bringing all our application and developer community into the PC domain. This would accelerate the pace of AI innovation at the core of Chrome OS, simplify engineering efforts, and help different devices like phones and accessories work together with Chromebooks. Amon from Qualcomm added, I've seen it. It's incredible. I think it delivers on the vision of conversions in mobile and PC, and I can't wait to have one. Now, obviously, these two are partners.

4:37They're going to say nice things about each other. But, you know, he's pretty unreserved there. Chromebooks have not typically run on Qualcomm chips in the past. There's a few. So, this is clearly about to change. It also seemed that there might be an Android-first version of a desktop OS in addition to Chrome OS. Some of the comments leave room for that kind of interpretation. Chrome OS obviously has been very successful in educational settings, but it's limited. And it seems like Google not only wants to make it more capable, especially to add Gemini to it, the full stack, but it also may look to offer more powerful PCs than just Chromebooks.

5:15It might want to come for macOS and Apple Silicon. It might want to come for Windows on ARM, aka Copilot Plus. It really seems like they are trying not to leave the Chrome OS fans behind, Sarah, but saying like, this is going to be a big deal on the desktop.

5:34Sarah Lane: Yeah. So I don't use Chrome OS, but I know, especially with my friends who have younger kids, that Chrome OS is quite beloved or at least quite used in educational settings. So this is very typical of Google where my first question is like, wait, so Android is going to come to the PC and that's great, but Chrome OS will still remain as a separate entity? Yeah. If I had to guess, and I do, so I'm going to. Let's guess. I think they are, they're rebuilding Chrome OS to have an Android foundation so they don't have to virtualize Android apps. Right now they run Android apps on Chrome OS, but they're in a virtual machine.

6:20So that makes it more efficient. And that will be a, you know, when they say it's based on Android, that means the frameworks and everything are there, but it won't have to do all the things that Android operating system does on a phone. And then they may also have a more full-fledged version of Android that can run like macOS does on an ARM-based processor made by Qualcomm, like Windows does on an ARM-based processor made by Qualcomm. And so I think what we're talking about is Chrome OS will look the same, but there will be a more full-fledged version of it. And whether they call that Chrome OS Plus or something or something else.

7:04Yeah, exactly. I don't know. But one thing that's happened is, like you said, a lot of students students use Chrome OS, learn Chrome OS, love Chrome OS, but when they get into college, when they get into work life, realize I need more power than that. I need to have a Windows machine or a Mac.

7:22Sarah Lane: Well, one of the things of Chrome OS, and again, this is most of my friends who are parents tell me is it's locked down on purpose. It's supposed to be simplified. That's the point. You know, it's good for certain things that you do in school and it also keeps students from wandering off and doing other stuff. You know, it keeps you focused. So the Android OS, you know, if that would be something that would be called on a PC would be, you know, a greater version of this. Well, okay. That I think a lot of people are like, yeah, that's what I want. You know, Chrome OS isn't enough for me. So, you know, how do they just differentiate from each other?

8:07I think it'll probably be the way you differentiate. Well, you know, now that I say that, I'm starting to say this, I'm like, there aren't very many successful versions of that, but you know, there are limited versions of Windows that run on lightweight machines. I think they haven't succeeded because Chrome OS is so good at that. So my guess is what Google wants is when that Chrome OS user gets to the point where they need to buy a more powerful machine, instead of choosing Windows or Mac and having to relearn a new interface and a new way of doing things, they can offer them like Chrome Plus.

8:43Yeah. Yeah. It's like, hey, it's the same interface, same system you're used to, but it's not locked down anymore. It's not limited anymore. You can run with it. But I'm curious too, because I have a Chromebook that I have sitting by the couch that I use all the time when I run into that situation where I like, I need a desktop browser to do this. Uh, and I don't want to run into my room and grab my Mac book. I'll use my Chromebook. I use it all the time, but there are some times when I run into a limit there and I do have to go get the Mac book.

9:14Sarah Lane: So for anybody who's like, well, what is that limitation? You know, what is that situation? What, what happens when you're sitting on the couch and you're like, oh man, I need the real computer. Yeah. It's, it's usually if I'm doing something memory intensive, you know, I'm certainly not going to edit on the Chromebook, uh, even though they have some editors and they can do some lightweight stuff. Uh, if there's anything where I do need to use an Android app, uh, 50 % chance it's just not going to run very well because it's virtualized and it's on a low power machine. That's like 10 years old, uh, at this point.

9:46Uh, so I just, need more power. And sometimes I just want multiple windows of apps, which you can do on Chrome OS now. But sometimes I just need the ability to have a little more power under the hood. And I think that's probably what they're talking about with these new versions of Chrome OS built on Android from the ground up that are more for the desktop. I am as curious as anybody else to see if that's what they're after.

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13:03Sarah Lane: We finally settled on the main complaint about iPhone 17, and it is scratches. Specifically, multiple users have complained of scratches appearing around the camera on the anodized aluminum casing of the iPhone 17 Pros. iFixit published an interview with professor of mechanical engineering, David Niebuhr, to explain it. He thinks the sharp edge of the camera bump means the anodization process of the aluminum isn't as even. And if Apple had a more gradual curve there, you probably wouldn't see the scratches as much. He recommends getting a case if you want to avoid scratches. And I say to him, there are many of us who don't like cases.

13:45Sarah Lane: So thanks a lot. In brighter news, users are also reporting that the LED flash on the iPhone 17 Pro Max appears to be stronger and sharper for better flash. and a better flashlight. And Macworld found some code and iOS 26.1 beta that references notification forwarding, which could mean interoperability with third-party smartwatches. Oh, that would be an EU compliance thing, if that ends up being what that is. That makes sense. I think we may have a legitimate problem with the scratching here. A lot of times these problems are a little bit like, oh, it looks a little yellow in the screen and then it goes away.

14:25Or there's always battery life complaints with an OS. But this one, this one feels like it's got a, an actual engineering problem with it. Most people are going to put a case on it. So maybe it won't be as widespread, but I wonder if Apple has to do something to make up for this. Cause if it is an engineering defect that's causing it, that's the kind of thing. What would they do? You're holding it wrong.

14:46Sarah Lane: Like, like give away free cases, I guess. I guess. Listen, I am I I have historically just not liked cases because I'm like, I like my phone. I want to look at it. I want to feel it. You know, it's you know, it's beautifully engineered. But but for that reason, I've also had lots of mishaps. Cases are great. But if you're needing a case because the phone gets all scratched up too easily, not great. Remember with the iPhone 4, the you're holding it wrong thing. Oh, yeah, I remember that. There was an intent issue and they gave you bumpers. Maybe they'll give you a camera bumper that just goes around the part that gets the scratches.

15:33Sarah Lane: Maybe. I don't know if they could do that. I feel like that would almost be better than saying, oh, you have to just use a case. Yeah, that way people like you and Terrence Gaines on the Tech John was like, I bought this phone. I want people to see it. I want to hide it in a case like that. Maybe that would satisfy. Yeah. The UK's National Crime Agency has arrested a man in his 40s in West Sussex in connection with an investigation into a cyber attack on Collins Aerospace's baggage and check-in software. And if you've been flying in Europe, you're well aware of the problems caused by that attack.

16:06It is used by multiple airlines across Europe, and it failed this week, causing delays as they had to switch to pen and paper to make your bag tag and your boarding pass, which is slow. They have since brought in extra people to try to speed things up. And Collins thinks it might be up to a week before its system is back online. So they're going to have to continue those manual workarounds. and that means there's probably going to continue to be some delays.

16:34Sarah Lane: Well, if you are traveling in that region, I know this isn't funny because nobody likes a big delay. At the same time, I wonder how many employees of airlines just being like, OK, I need a pen and paper. We can do this. We'll just we'll just we'll do the tag. We'll do it live. We'll do the tags ourselves. I'm guessing they just print out a blank boarding pass and have to write the info on it I guess I guess so Jason Hill is flying to Dublin today which is one of the affected airports so maybe we can find out oh shoot yeah oh Jason I hope the best yeah me too hope the absolute best but yeah this is you know cyber attack this is something that I've been a story that I've been following And and yeah, it's it's it is interesting when any large company, which, you know, an airline would be has to deal with like, OK, plan B, do we have one?

17:42Sarah Lane: So this is this is definitely a test of that. Definitely. Alphabet sent a letter to U.S. Representative Jim Jordan on Tuesday saying, quote, YouTube will provide an opportunity for all creators to rejoin the platform if the company terminated their channels for repeated violations of COVID-19 and elections integrity policies that are no longer in effect, end quote. Representative Jordan had subpoenaed Alphabet as he investigates whether the president coerced or colluded with Alphabet to censor speech. Alphabet basically said, yeah, they did in their letter here. We could have an argument and a discussion about whether these policies should still be in place or not.

18:29But I do look at this and I'm like, well, if the policies changed that they violated, then I guess it's fair to say, well, we don't have those policies anymore. So you can have your account back.

18:39Sarah Lane: I guess the question really is like, has the creator moved on to somewhere else? YouTube is probably where you still want to make your money, but you have other options. So yeah, for folks who felt like this was unfair or they were targeted unnecessarily, et cetera, et cetera. I wonder how much YouTube will see creators coming back. Yeah. They may have moved on to Substack or something and be happy there. That's a really good point. People are mad at Pocket Casts today. Yes, they are. They're so mad. Pocket Casts podcast app users who bought a lifetime ad-free subscription and Automatic, which owns Pocket Cast says that that's a few thousand people, are still very much alive.

19:32Most of them. It's a lifetime.

19:34Sarah Lane: Yeah. So it's a lifetime subscription. And they're seeing ads on the app with a message that says they have to pay a subscription to remove them. And they're not happy. They're like, I'm still alive. This is a lifetime ad free subscription. What gives? Well, CEO Matt Mullenweg said anyone who has ever paid for Pocket Cast even before Automatic acquired it should not see ads. He says it's a bug and they plan to fix it. They did this in 2019 after switching from a paid model to a free model with a subscription for added features. Pocket Cast offered users who had previously paid for the app a lifetime ad-free subscription.

20:12The lifetime memberships were rebranded as Pocket Cast Champion in August of 2024. But at the time, they said they weren't going to change anything about the plan. But a lot of people are like, they changed it to not say ad free so that they could put ads. And Automatic is saying, no, this is a bug. It shouldn't work that way.

20:30Sarah Lane: Well, you know, if it's a bug, it's a bug. Fix it. That's all I got to say. These things happen. Many of our listeners use PucketCasts. And, you know, we've gotten some feedback about how well that works in various scenarios, listening to podcasts or whatever else. There's a whole, I use Pocket Casts and there's a whole bug with Patreon RSS feeds where sometimes they just don't show up until overnight. And Patreon and Pocket Casts are going round and round about who needs to fix it. And I would just, again, I'd like it to be fixed. That's all. I don't care. Who doesn't? Well, Tom, let's talk baseball.

21:08Sarah Lane: Let's do it. Let's do it. Major League Baseball announced Tuesday that it will introduce an automated ball strike or ABS system next season. We're in our current season, so this would be next season. The system, which has been tested outside of the regular season, uses a dozen cameras to record pitches and determine if they were inside the strike zone or not. If you're not familiar with baseball, ball or strike. So in 2026, human umpires still making those calls, but the pitcher, the batter and the catcher can all challenge the call if they so desire. Each team gets two challenges and gets to keep them if the umpire's call ends up being overturned.

21:54Yeah. So instead of having, you know, the ultimate arbiter be a human, which is what we've had up until now, the ultimate arbiter will be an algorithm. They will always be making a call, the robots, but they will only be appealed to if someone disagrees with the umpire's call. And to keep you from disagreeing with every call, you only get two challenges. You can only have two challenges wrong in a regular game. They add challenges if you go into extra endings.

22:25Sarah Lane: Because otherwise it's just going to, it's going to just become like a challenge fest. Yeah. Right. And the idea is that this, this preserves the game as it is because the human umpire is still making the calls. But you've got a machine that is more accurate that you can appeal to in a really important situation when you really are sure. I'm sure that was a strike and that batter should be out and it would have been the third out. And I think I need that overturn. You can appeal to that. I mean, so challenges, obviously common in sports. We got it in football, basketball, tennis. I mean, yeah, we're used to this.

23:01Sarah Lane: At the same time, part of me wonders, how long do the human umpires have jobs? Well, yeah, I actually like the way they tested it in the minor leagues where the bot would tell the umpire what the call was and the umpire would make the call. and the umpire had the latitude to overturn it but every time they overturned it they would have to justify it in a review later so it didn't change anything on the field it looked like the umpire was making all the calls but it was the robot kind of as an assistant to the umpire but i guess umpires didn't like that uh so we went back to just letting the umpires make their own call and they only hear the the robot call when there's an appeal the appeal happens really fast because it has to be a player that's on the field they have to say so right away and the umpire knows right away, like immediately gets to hear if there's a challenge, what that call was and say it.

23:51And then we move on with the game.

23:52Sarah Lane: I wonder how Huckling will change in baseball. Kill the bot pyre. Given our robot overlords, it's like, oh, you suck. Delete the umpire bot. Yeah, we'll see. Recently, we mentioned a study from MIT Media Lab that found that 95 % of organizations see no measurable productivity increase from generative tech. Well, BetterUp Labs and Stanford Social Media Lab collaborated on a study to find out why that was, and they blame it on something they have termed work slop. Everything is slop these days. Basically, they define work slop as AI-generated work content that masquerades as good work but lacks the substance to meaningfully advance a given task.

24:38Now, not all employees, in fact, not even most, are using LLMs without checking its work or refining the prompts. But enough are that it's causing more work down the line as co-workers have to interpret it, correct it, or redo it entirely. From the study, of 1 ,150 U.S.-based full-time employees across industries, 40 % report having received work slop in the last month. And employees report spending an average of one hour and 56 minutes dealing with each instance of work slop.

25:10Sarah Lane: Well, as somebody who is trying to use AI tools as much as possible to enhance my work, I get it. I get that sometimes I'm like, you know, now I'm talking to the AI program about, you know, why I wanted it to be done differently or, you know, I'm checking its work to make sure that it's not just fake or, you know, just otherwise, you know, has gotten it wrong. it's I know for certain tasks people say oh couldn't live without it you know drastically changed my life for the better which is great but uh I think there are so many scenarios where this actually does become something that it's like you have an intern that you're constantly looking over their shoulder about yeah well and and what's happening is 60 percent of the employees are sucking it up and doing the work that you're talking about.

26:10But 40 % are like, I don't know, I feel justified. I asked the tool that my boss told me to use and this is what they gave. So I'm just going to pass it along. Right. Whereas if they had had to do it themselves, it might not have been very good if it's not a very good employee. Right. But it would have been better than what the work slop. Right. And so it's what needs to happen is companies need to stop saying use AI at all costs, right? And they need to train people to understand not only that you have to check this work, but that you're going to be held accountable for checking the work, right?

26:43I think that's the problem is it gets passed along and then there's no consequence. So they keep doing it.

26:48Sarah Lane: Yeah. I think that you hit the nail on the head. It's here's a tool that's supposed to make your job easier. Use that tool, but check that tool. And if you don't check it appropriately, then you seem incompetent. Right. And I think the employee is like, but it was the tool that we broke. So it's not my fault. And that needs to change. Yeah. Spotify just announced that it integrates with DJ software like RecordBox, Serato and DJ. That means that if you're a DJ, you can access the entire Spotify library from within your desktop DJ software. Spotify supported third-party DJ software until 2020, but discontinued support because of rights issues with music providers, which it apparently has not resolved.

27:34Good news for DJs. If they haven't already found a solution they like, this could make some things easier.

27:40Sarah Lane: Yeah. And finally, a few quick headlines that are just good to know if you want to understand the news in the future. Alibaba announced it's going to spend more than$4 trillion over the next five years to ramp up AI efforts. That's an increase from the previous$53 billion three-year plan, so quite an increase. Alibaba also announced its new QEN 3VL model, which it says matches or exceeds Gemini 2.5 Pro, and it will integrate NVIDIA's development tools for robotic self-driving cars and connected spaces into Alibaba's cloud platform for AI. Logitech launched its$99 signature Slim Solar Plus K980 keyboard, which can charge entirely from solar power, even while indoors and it can last four months without the lights on.

28:28DxOMark ranks the Pixel 10 Pro XL display as the best smartphone display of all time. It's not best in any one given spec, but it excels by reducing eye strain and it drops to a mere four nits in a completely dark environment. Those are a couple of things help put it over the top.

28:45Sarah Lane: PhonePay, that's Phone P-E, is India's largest payments provider and has filed its first round of documents for an IPO. PhonePay has more than 610 million registered users. And the U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced a proposal to change the H-1B visa program in the U.S. This is in addition to that$100 ,000 fee. This proposal would give weight to jobs with higher wages. So when applications exceed$85 ,000, they hold a lottery. And if you there's going to be four wage categories. If you're in the highest wage category, you get four entries. If you're in the lowest wage category, you only get one entry.

29:23So it gives people in the higher wage category a better chance of getting the visa. Hey folks, if you'd like to hang out with us live, sometimes we just do office hours. Sometimes we stream our Live With It show with Sarah. Sometimes we just do hangouts and we do DTNS Live, the weekly show every Thursday. Become a subscriber. Don't miss any of those. youtube.com slash daily tech news show.

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30:53Sarah Lane: We like to end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. Today, Milton has some info on energy sources for tech companies building data centers. Milton writes, during your Tuesday show, you said you didn't believe there was enough fossil fuel in the U.S. to power all the gigawatts of new AI servers. Maybe I did phrase it that way, but I just meant like, I wonder. I have no belief. But anyway, Milton did, because of my throwaway comment that wasn't very well considered, a lot of work. And I felt a little bad that he had to do all this work, but it's very valuable and very instructive. Milton wrote, it takes 7.42 cubic feet of natural gas to generate one kilowatt hour of electricity.

31:37That's 7.42 million cubic feet per gigawatt hour. Multiply that by 24 hours by 365.25 days for your hours per year. And it comes out to 65 billion cubic feet of natural gas to run one gigawatt AI server farm for a year. that's a lot until you look at how much proven natural gas reserves there are in the U.S. Right now, there are 600 trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves in the U.S. That's enough to run a gigawatt AI server for 9 ,224 years. Even a 100 gigawatt AI server could run for 92 years. If anyone wants to check Milton's math, we'll have this all in our show notes as well. He also points out that natural gas is the quickest way to create a new gigawatt of electric power.

32:31It takes about two years starting from scratch, whereas nuclear, which is what they've been talking about with these new open AI servers, they need like 12 nuclear power plants worth of energy for them. Nuclear and renewables take longer. Thank you, Milton, for doing the math.

32:45Sarah Lane: I like to think that Milton had some fun with this. He did. You know, just being like, I wanted to do a deep dive into energy. So, yeah, thank you so much. What are you thinking about during the show, future shows, past shows, anything tech related? Do you have insight into a story? Share it with us at feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. Big thanks to Martin for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for the Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron. Do it right now. patreon.com slash DTNS. We'll talk to you soon.

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