Anthropic's Agents Escaped Their Sandbox Too... Sort Of - DTNS 5322

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2:37This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, July 31st, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context, and help each other understand. Today, Anthropic has its own agents breaking out and doing bad things thing. And we'll tell you all about it. Yeah, it has to be part of the conversation somehow. Interesting stuff there. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Jen Cutter. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. And yes, that story is Anthropic, who disclosed that two of their public high-end models, ones that we can all, well, one of those that we can all use, Opus 4.7, the other Mythos 5, which only a certain group of special people can use.

3:23Along with the third internal research model, those three models compromised a total of three unnamed organizations' systems during pre-deployment testing with third-party partner Irregular. So they were kind of doing a combined thing with Irregular. The systems were given a capture-the-flag cybersecurity task during this evaluation where the models were essentially asked to find specific pieces of hidden information on different machines inside of the network. Well, because of a misunderstanding over the evaluation environment's configuration, internet access was apparently left on. That meant that the agents could, in fact, reach real-world systems.

4:11They weren't sandboxed correctly, in other words. They assumed, that is the agents assumed, that this access was part of the test because it was open. And so they used it when it was needed. It's like, well, it's there. Why am I not going to try and use it? So that meant in one of the three cases, Opus 4.7 connected to a website that shared the name of the fictional target inside of the test environment and then compromised the actual site on the live Internet. That's one example. Mythos 5 created and uploaded a malicious Python package to the PyPy public repository, thinking it too was part of the test.

4:54That package ended up being downloaded and run on 15 real systems. So someone out there got those packages, including one at a security company. That allowed for credential theft, for some further access there. And then in the third example, the unnamed model failed to reach its internal target and then scanned around 9 ,000 of Internet-facing targets, eventually narrowed in on one that eventually compromised. Though in that case, it recognized, in essence, that this was a cloud account that didn't connect to the challenge itself, the whatever it was, capture the flag challenge itself, so it ended the attack.

5:37So, you know, it recognized it. It got some conscience there at some point. It was like, maybe I shouldn't do this. Anthropic and Irregular continue to investigate the specifics of the incidents. Anthropic has halted its cyber evaluations that could access the Internet while it's reviewing its testing infrastructure. And of course, what you got here is a follow on to the story that we've been talking ad nauseum about the last couple of weeks about the open AI models and hugging face. This is kind of like the anthropic version of that. I don't know. What are your thoughts, Jen? Does this have your mind swirling right now?

6:15Because this topic keeps coming up. It does keep coming up. It's starting to feel like a day ending in Y scenario, which is the opposite of exciting. And it's also so easy. It is so easy to fall into conspiracy thinking here. It's like, well, of course they're going to make this kind of announcement. They want to be in the conversation. They want to be like, our models are super crazy smart, too. Yeah, I think you're onto something there. I would have loved to have hear about it from one of the unnamed companies because then if they had raised the flag, be like, hey, look at what this jerk did.

6:48I would have been more inclined to take it more seriously, even though this is a very serious thing. Like, if you know this can happen, if you have the hugging face example right out there and in your face, how have you not triple checked your sandbox? How have you not quadruple checked what you are connected to? Why does this have Internet access? which, as anyone who's ever worked in security knows, like, hey, air gapping is a thing. It's a basic thing. It is standard practice for a lot of this. Why is that not happening here? It's like when you hear somebody at the DoD just sticking in random USB sticks.

7:22It's like, no, no, you can't do that. That's a bad idea. Please don't. Don't do that. Yeah, totally. I mean, it is important to note that there are some real differences between the Hugging Face and OpenAI story and this one. In the case of the Hugging Face OpenAI story, the agent that was trying to accomplish this task, it did so by exploiting an actual vulnerability that it discovered. A zero day, it figured, oh, wow, this is the best way for me to do this thing. So it was able to exploit that, essentially, and that's what gave it the access that it was seeking, that it felt like it required.

7:59In the case of the Anthropic system, this is more about a misconfigured system than it was about an agent getting really crafty with cyber capabilities and going rogue on a deep, deep level. This was, is it a sandbox if what you're trying to do is keep it off the internet, but oops, I actually left part of the configuration open and the internet is actually accessible? Does that fall on the agent or does that fall on the human that set up the sandbox? And in this case, it kind of seems like that's what's going on here is that someone who was setting up the testing environment didn't check that particular part of the configuration.

8:35And as a result, the agent's like, well, I have access to it. I've been given this task. Why wouldn't I use it? It's right there. I am also assuming in a moment of grace that these unnamed companies were obviously contacted and are currently going through everything right now. and stay unnamed so that in case anything was left behind, in case any new backdoors were added, you want to give those companies a chance to fix that first. Yeah. Yeah, indeed. Yeah, I have to imagine that they're going through things right now. But I mean, touching back on what you were saying earlier, I do think that there is an element of this scenario, this situation, the story of OpenAI and Hugging Face that we've been talking about ad nauseum, like has open AI for better or worse, you know, it's, it's like the no, no, uh, what is it?

9:27No press is bad press, or I don't know what the saying is, but open AI has been in the conversation a lot in the last couple of weeks. And Anthropic is very much the company that it, that everybody sees and that projects itself as the safety company. But they're also kind of playing a similar game from these other frontier companies, which is to say that we are so good that yes, Yes, our things do bad things, but isn't that a testament to just how smart we are that they're capable of doing those bad things? And so this does give, you know, I'm sure part of this is, you know, responsible disclosure on Anthropik's part.

10:01But I think there is an underlying kind of like scare marketing aspect of this, which is like, and see, our models are scary good, too. Yeah, well, it is Friday. And as I think enough people know, this broke earlier instead of being a Friday night news dump. Because you could have easily shoved this under. You send it in at the end of the day when everyone's checking out and going home. And then it becomes like a Monday story. But they're like, nah, let's get the weekend press. Let's tell people now. Which, again, could be responsible. Could be no press is bad press. It could be a little both.

10:36Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I do think at the end of the day, it continues to kind of hammer home this idea that like agents and the capability around these agents is such that we're probably going to continue hearing more and more of this sort of thing. I mean, this is a couple of stories pretty close to each other. You know, I've said it many times. I say it again. If you don't want an agent to do something, don't give him the keys to the car. Right. If you don't want them to drive, don't give them the keys to the car and then ask it not to drive. It's going to drive possibly at some point. The chances are not zero, you know.

11:10So we'll probably see more of this. Yeah, more of this and also more noise from governments about, hey, we really, really need to regulate these things yesterday. And then we'll hear the pushback on the regulation. Yep, yep. For things we're not pushing back about would be you, the listener, because DTNS is made possible by all of you. And specifically, in this case, thanks to Dale McKahee, Matt Saglin, Jeff Wilkes, and Liz Cohey. Thank you. Thank you. This episode is sponsored by Morning Brew Daily. If you're anything like me, you want to stay informed about what's happening in business and finance, but you also don't have an hour every morning to sift through headlines.

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14:29All right, there's plenty more we need to know today, so let's dive into the pool of the briefs. Sony said during its latest earnings report that it sees no change in its hardware profit margins this year and that it should remain similar to last year, nudging its full-year revenue and operating income forecasts upward. Sony shared it secured enough RAM to build every PS5 it expects to sell through the end of the year. That's critical because the release of the highly anticipated title, to put it mildly, for November's Grand Theft Auto 6 is expected to move a lot of units on its own. At the same time, Sony is standing firm on its plan to end sales of physical PlayStation game discs worldwide in January 2028.

15:14So that's not 2027, that's 2028. Sony CFO Lin Tao acknowledged the growing and loud backlash to the decision during a post-earnings Q &A, but continued to frame the decision as a result of long-term thinking about the digitization of content across media. He said the company would continue to cautiously move the effort forward while also looking at ways to keep frustrated players engaged in the digital ecosystem. Yeah, I heard you don't like that we're doing this. And what can I say? We're doing it. But we'll do things that we think you're going to like once you get over, you know, being butthurt about this decision.

15:53So yeah, it hasn't happened the same way in games that it literally just happened with movies bought through the PlayStation Store where it's like, yeah, you don't actually own those anymore. It was always a license and bye-bye license. Yeah, right. So, you know, even for the most extreme reactions, you can kind of see where gamers are coming from on this one. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. And it's, you know, that's a real sea change. I mean, you know, cloud and digital always kind of felt convenient to me. Again, I'm not a huge gamer anymore these days. When I can, I do. It always, it felt convenient to be able to just, you know, have it there stored on the device or accessible through an online marketplace or playable through the cloud or whatever but it always kind of felt weird because like i know that somewhere in the distant future i'm not going to have access to that thing anymore and that goes away and like i'm a very nostalgic person i don't know um it just it just feels weird it i get it i get the pushback yeah i'm a game disc buyer and game cart buyer because i was i went looking through like Because it's broken.

17:00First of all, Sony is securing everything they need for PS5s to the end of the year, including for the GTA boost. That's kind of massive. No wonder that's going to increase investor confidence. But I went through my game collection for PS5, PS4. It's all discs, all of it. And the only system I've been buying digital for lately is Nintendo because game keys did not feel worth it to me. so for for Pocopia it's like okay I could get a key but I just bought it digitally uh for the Marios and stuff because like for first party titles like especially for Nintendo uh the resale value remains high which I keep telling myself I'll sell someday but I never do because there's like two sales a year you get Mario Day in March and occasionally Christmas so they've been better about uh about sales for that but for Sony uh the only games I checked that I like bought quote unquote online are uh like fortnight which is just free to play and there is no physical and uh final fantasy 14 because you just buy license for the expansions so i was like wow i really thought i had more digital games and i would be like more on the fence about it's like oh no no i have all the discs and stuff right behind me yeah how do you how do you think um you know they were they were talking about kind of holding the memory that they need through the end of the year clearly that that doesn't mean that thing prices won't go up after the end of the year or with the next console or whatever but how do you think uh what do you think about the kind of landscape of players out there who don't already have the ps5 and gta is coming out do you think i mean is that going to be a pretty big movement like amount of people buying the console just for that game exclusives like people don't want to admit it as much but exclusives move type uh systems they they do that's why a lot of companies have retreated from pc because they're like no no no you need to buy our hardware because they want to get a higher attach rate they want they want you to have the system so you feel invested in it and i mean way back in the day to use an early example this has paid off for sony sony picked up final fantasy my brother and i got a playstation because we wanted the next final fantasy more than anything else i hear so that's why we got a playstation i can't say that we would have done it otherwise and now i've been since then far more of a playstation person than xbox because since uh post 360 there wasn't an exclusive enough that made me say oh i need this system so i don't have those systems yeah yeah it's interesting so he's got the math they're not guessing here well and and you know first party games sell systems there that you know uh or exclusive games sell systems rather and there isn't there isn't a property nearly as anticipated as this one coming out in a very long time like this just has so much time in the making so yeah yeah some people will pick like hey what console do i want on this what console do i want going forward microsoft has uh some not good press lately and and questions about the future of the division while sony is like no other than the game just things business as usual Going forward, PlayStation's here, PlayStation's ready to go.

20:18Yeah, it's working for us. Well, New York Attorney General Letitia James sued Kalshi. Kalshi is the New York-based prediction market that you've probably heard of, saying it runs unlicensed illegal gambling on the events that it tracks. Now, Kalshi event contracts cover sports, elections, TV game shows, among many other categories that users can basically place bets on. The state wants a court order to block Kalshi from operating in New York and is pushing for financial penalties equal to three times Kalshi's gains from the betting activity on its platform, on top of$100 ,000 for every unauthorized offer of wagering on events.

21:03Kalshi, you know, no surprise, says the lawsuit is nothing more than political theater. They do not agree, obviously. I don't know. The prediction markets, I think I've said before, just makes me feel all squeamy. I just don't like them very much. Like I actually know younger people who have gotten kind of pulled into the prediction market thing. And it's like they really believe they're making money. But when you do the math, no, you're not. You're not making money, dude. Stop it. Don't do this. it's hard not to reflexively react emotionally to this kind of yeah yes i guess that's what i'm admitting right now i'm very emotionally reactive to this topic i think everyone's been touched by someone in their life who's who's fallen into this kind of hole whether it's these like straight calci market whether it's sports betting which is just ubiquitous right now and whether it's kids with all of like the gacha stuff which i recall lots of lawsuits about getting fortnight away from this kind of thing and then it just came back in other forms including physical toys and those ones drive me crazy yeah so many blind boxes and stuff it's like oh that's half the fun and i'm like is it it's great for the companies how is this fun for you but uh you know it's it's i don't have the same kind of addictive personality which i know like whales are really driving this and gacha and a lot of games of that thing like is it political theater like yeah that's what politics Yeah, totally.

23:00federal environment in terms of regulation within the United States. So, Calci still has a chance here. This isn't going to be a slam dunk for either side. Yeah, indeed. Now, the New York State Gaming Commission had already issued a cease and desist order last October to Calci. Calci tried to block state regulators earlier this month. That was denied by a federal judge, as was an injunction just a few days ago related to that. So, yeah, there's a lot of dust in the air right now in New York. It's kind of, it's, you know, the state where it is based. So we'll see how that lands. And slightly lighter, but possibly more feeling news in a feeling positive way.

23:44We can say maybe welcome to the age of mail order tattoos and not the kind you put on with a wet rag, which I loved as a kid. and I was a little sad when those went away, but, you know, some ink is not necessarily healthy for you. Cypher X is a London-based biotech company that has created disposable micro dot tattoo patch technology that's loaded with 112 biodegradable microneedles that can apply a small tattoo in seconds with a short 15-minute wait afterward. The Verge's Jess Weatherbed, the very brave soul, said the process was painless, quiet, blood-free, and didn't require healing time. The result is a permanent black tattoo in a variety of 15 non-custom shapes with limitations like the small 15mm maximum size, single-color black ink, and limited placement options on the body.

24:38Because everyone who has tattoos knows, you've got to pay attention to what part of the body you get stuff on. Yeah, where these things are going. Because there is healing time. There could be color issues and stretching and stuff. For now, Cypher X sells the tattoo patches in pop-ups throughout London, but the company hopes to ship DIY home kits in a small tin to consumers for around 50 British pounds, roughly 66 US dollars, which has like a zero less than I expected on that price. I mean, for something that, I mean, if it's a true tattoo, and I do wonder what the long-term kind of thing is to this, you know, because we've got a lot of history and kind of sample size of people getting regular tattoos and knowing how that degrades over time and what that looks like, you know, 50 years down the line.

25:31We don't have that with this particular type of thing. So I'll be curious to see how that plays out. Yeah, but we do have consistency. Because when you go to different artists, like, okay, so my friend has, like, head to toe, giant coverage, giant sleeves, and it all looks amazing. And he pays, like, with a lot more zeros to this particular artist, knowing it's safe, knowing it heals well, knowing the colors are good, knowing the hygiene is, you know, impeccable. That's such a huge difference. And I feel like I remember Sarah Lane covering some like temporary permanent tattoos that you could get like this is like way back, like after a CES thing, but I'm not talking recent.

26:11So this is a market. It's a whole market of people trying to do this kind of stuff. But weirdly, that price makes me nervous. It's like, OK, is this good? Is this safe? Are there any regulators involved here? because I feel like tattoo artists, at least in Canada, have to get some sort of certification and clean bill of health for their location, assuming it's an official one. Yeah. I mean, and I was going to say, I think my knee-jerk reaction is like, oh my goodness, this just makes it too easy to brand yourself for life with a bad idea. You know, like the decision, the author of this article, Brave Soul, put an AI sparkle icon on her arm.

26:51And I'm just like, oh, my goodness, is that the sort of thing that 10 years from now you're going to be like, I wish I hadn't done that. So like my knee jerk reaction is the barrier to making this like permanent decision on your skin is so low. Like, is that OK? But then I thought about it. I was like, yeah, but anyone could take a needle and stick it through their ear and have a permanent hole in their ear. You know what I mean? Yeah. People do it all the time. So I guess whatever. It's up to the person. Teenagers in retail stores. Yes. Yeah. When I went on my ears pierced, my mom was like, absolutely not.

27:20we're gonna we're gonna go through uh there's someone a little more uh regulated than that have you ever thought about getting a tattoo i have a tattoo okay i have two yeah all right but they're not they're not highly visible yeah well it's just my entire chest no not really no i've got one on my ankle and then one yeah see ankle was one of the things like i thought about back in the day a group of us like had we made team canada and go to the olympics we're like oh oh yeah, like we're absolutely getting like either Hockey Canada or the COC logo. And I was leaning towards the COC logo because I didn't want black in it.

27:55But after a couple of clothes not making, I've never looked at another tattoo since. And I thought I would. And like as much as I love various things and various Pokemon and remembrances for family members, I've never thought about it again. And it's like, oh no, if this was available to me, would I have made one of those bad decisions? Right. But also like because it's in, you know, just single color.

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29:25It helps schedule a test drive, get pre-approved for financing, and estimate trade in value. Advanced, intuitive, and deployed. That's how they stack. That's technology at Capital One. Black Ink, that makes it easier for me to ignore, but not everyone. Yeah. Well, and it's very small. Like it's the kind of thing you could totally just do. Yeah. I was going to go very tight. Like a waistline or something that's always covered, you know, with a pair of pants or something. To use Imperial, like it only would have been like an inch by an inch, like small for me. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. We have new Patreon perks.

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30:42Apple has posted its best June quarter ever with revenue of$109.4 billion, up 16%. It saw double-digit growth across iPhone, Mac, and services. It was also CEO Tim Cook's last earnings call with John Ternus taking the lead next time. Oh, goodbye, Tim Cook. Do you think at the end of it, Tim was like, I never have to give an earnings call again. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you get to take your deep breath. And then it's one of those things where you wake up later and be like, oh, no, I don't get to do another one. It's such a huge part of your life. But also, I would also love to retire one day.

31:20Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah, interesting. Amazon reported$200.6 billion in second quarter net sales, up 20%. AWS grew faster than it has in more than four years. Profit tripled. Mostly, though, that is attributed to its anthropic stake rising in value. MediaTek approved a$5 billion financing budget to fund custom AI chips for data centers, with its first chip entering production in the fourth quarter and a second targeted for 2028. MediaTek expects more than$2 billion in data center AI revenue this year because everything is in billions now. Yeah, I know. If it's not billion with a B, what are you even doing here?

32:04Yeah, soon we're going to be talking about quadrillions and it's going to be normal. No, probably not soon, but you know it's going to happen someday. Quadrillion is a number, right? Quadrillion, I think. I'm pretty sure, but don't ask me. Or is that one of those numbers you make up as a kid? Oh, quadruple million. It's Spintillion real. Sound off at feedback at dailytechnews.com. There we go. DeepSeek put its V4 Flash API into public beta. It's a retrained version of the same model. now natively supports the Responses API and works fully with Codex. SpaceX says it won't finish removing XAI's 69 unpermitted gas turbines outside Memphis until July 2027.

32:49They argue that they don't need permits because they're still sitting on their shipping trailers. Okie dokie then. Techno, smartphone company, mobile tech company, let's say, Techno, will show a phone concept at IFA in Berlin next month that it claims has zero bezel. We're back to the no bezel thing. This is thanks to a new internal stacking technique that eliminates the last millimeter of border around the display. I'm curious about that. Xbox CEO Asha Sharma sent a memo laying out four priorities after this month's layoffs. Strengthen the platform led by console, throw games into global franchises, make Minecraft the world's creator program, one would assume trying to compete there with Fortnite and Roblox, and extend the world's fans' love.

33:43She wants 500 million daily users by 2030, making it around 100 million daily users now. Some big goals and some big words. And in my opinion, you kind of need game developers to increase players and stuff. So maybe stop firing everyone. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. U.S. users of Google's Gemini Spark agent can now drive desktop Chrome browser using your logged in accounts to save passwords, payments, other sensitive actions all require approval. So that's good. Google AI pro subscribers in more than 160 additional countries now get Spark as well. Starting August 2nd, the EU AI Act requires anyone publishing AI generated content that could pass for real to explicitly label it and requires chatbots to say they're bots during first contact.

34:38Fines run up to 15 million euros or 3 % of global revenue. In the first three months of Australia's under-16 social media ban that we've talked about, regulator eSafety found a few interesting stats that I'll relay here. More than 81 % of 10 to 15-year-olds were still using the platforms, down from nearly 86%, so like a 5 % drop. Account ownership dropped from 52 % to 42%, and about half the kids who kept accounts said the platform never even checked their age. And I need Canada to pay attention to this before we pass on online. Exactly, yes. OnePlus confirmed the OnePlus 16 is coming in the second half of the year, its first flagship since pulling out of the U.S.

35:27market. It'll have a 165-hertz screen, a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6 Pro, Sorry. And dedicated Wi-Fi and touch response chips. Okay. You can count them out, down, but not out or whatever. And finally, Spotify added a feature called User Notes. It lets listeners attach a short caption to any song in a playlist, kind of like a little memo about the song. That's visible to anyone who can see that playlist with the writer's name attached to it. It's rolling out to select markets to free and premium users. All right, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. And today, Cindy has a heads up about the fine print on any leasing program, Apple's PR included.

36:16Cindy writes, anyone leasing an Apple product needs to really read the fine print on those end of lease fees. I'm sure they'll be there and they can really add up. once upon a time i worked at the honda finance lease maturity center and you cannot convince me to lease a vehicle according to pc mag there are fees if the phone you return is not in the required condition and you and i talked about all this like well like since apple care isn't mandatory how are they gonna yeah ensure they get back something that isn't already cracked and smashed you better You better have that phone encased in five inches of a phone case and the display, you know, covered in a whatever, a display protector and stuff like that just to be safe.

37:03But it kind of takes away a little bit of the chic quality of the phone when, you know, when you got to throw all that. Yeah, no, you would definitely hope that people are reading fine print. And yeah, like leasing a car, which again, I think was like one of the things my mom was like, OK, in specific circumstances, it's OK. when she was trying to explain to me all the math that goes into it, I definitely got lost. So everyone, read that fine print. It's not quite the same as reading an EULA, but oh my gosh, please read it. So thank you, Cindy. And what are you thinking about? Do you have insight in a story?

37:35Did you work somewhere kind of relevant to one of our stories and have an internal thing to share? Please share it with us at feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. Yeah, thank you again to Cindy for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business, and we appreciate when you do that by becoming a patron at patreon.com slash DTNS. This week's episodes of Daily Tech News Show were created by the following people. Host producer writer Tom Merritt. Host writer Jason Howell. Co-host Sarah Lane. Co-host Rob Dunwood. Co-host Jen Cutter. Co-host Wintwood Dow.

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