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2:26This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, March 30th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you some context, and try to help each other understand. Today, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman shed some light on Apple's strategy to let you choose your LLM for Siri. Is that a good idea? We're going to talk about that. I'm Tom Merritt. And I'm Rob Dunwood. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story.

2:50So Jason and I talked about this briefly on Friday. uh apple's expected decision to let you choose which llm you want to use with siri and bloomberg's mark german who was the source of that friday story published some more details on what sources are telling him will be the way this works put this in his power on newsletter which always goes out sunday night german describes a strategy similar to apple's strategy with apps so with apps apple gives you some core apps so when you pull a phone out of the box for the first time You can still use it, but then you go to the App Store where you can buy apps from the best folks out there and pick the apps that you want to use while Apple takes a cut of the proceeds.

3:30Apple is going to continue to use Google models to power Apple intelligence to help you get the most out of iOS and to power new devices like smart glasses and pendants. So that out of the box, you will have some intelligence in there that you can use, but it will open Siri to third party services. Gurman says they will be called extensions in iOS 27, and you can add them from a dedicated section of the App Store. This builds on what you can do now with ChatGPT, and of course, if you pay for anything through that App Store section, Apple also gets a cut. Gurman implies that this, along with the growing belief that Apple's head of hardware engineering, John Ternus, is the likely CEO successor to Tim Cook, may mean Apple isn't pivoting to services in software as fast as it used to.

4:19In fact, it might still focus more on hardware, at least in the LLM space. Details, of course, will be announced on June 8th. So we got a couple of months yet for that keynote that'll kick off Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference. He compares it to the App Store, Rob, but I kind of think of it more like their search engine, which he also mentioned in there, where they say like, we're going to let you pick search. Well, sort of. They give you a default with Google that Google pays for. but they're going to let you pick your LLM so that you can have it work however you want. This to me makes perfect sense from an Apple standpoint, because what I have come to understand is that people who use LLMs are going to use the LLM that they like, regardless of whether it works with Siri or not.

5:03So from an Apple standpoint, you can either make Siri work with whatever your users are using, or a significant number of your users will just not use Siri because they're going to use whatever LLM they like. And I think that that's probably as much of what's happening here as anything else. If I were to go further, I think that Apple, you know, back in the day, I don't know, three, four years ago, I think they completely misread the tea leaves on what LLMs were going to be and just how big they were going to get big and as big as quickly as they got big. Because I think that Apple initially probably wanted to play in this space.

5:40But what has become evidently clear to me and I think some other folks would think like I think is that this just ain't the thing for them so they're kind of pulling back from trying to create an LLM some people will say well they were never trying to do that they were always about local but to me what is cool about all this artificial intelligence stuff particularly all this LLM stuff is that you have the cloud that can do all these wondrous things that you can't do locally on just your phone or just your tablet or just your PC. So from that standpoint, I think that the hardware play is absolutely right.

6:11Apple still makes enormous amounts of money selling hardware. They're very good at it. And even though they are trying to move into services, this particular one, I don't think it's it. So if they can get 30 % off the people signing up through the app store, more power to them. And, you know, I kind of think that that's where they are. I don't think they'll ever be any type of player in the LLM space. And, you know, and going forward, it'll just be an option that you make. And if you buy it through Apple, then they get a cut. Yeah, I think that that still means they're in the services business, the software and services businesses, but just the way they are with the App Store versus the way they are with, say, Apple Music or something like that.

6:49I think Apple thought this would be more like Apple Music, where they would have a Premiere version and then they'd let you use other versions as an app. This extension thing is bringing it more into the operating system and is a little more like search. it's kind of splitting the difference though with search you only have like five choices google is your default and then there's duck duck go and ecosia and bing and i may be missing one other one in there but you can't put coggy in there so i think this is better in that they let the marketplace decide whoever wants to give you an extension and if you if claude wants to make an extension put it in there as long as they give us the cut and that will be the biggest deal but for these determinations is whether Anthropic likes the cut that Apple takes.

7:34But as long as they give us a cut, then we're fine with that. I think Apple shouldn't be too greedy on this. They should keep the cut as small as possible to encourage as many of these services to come in as possible. Then I think that their user base will like that. They'll say, oh, we're getting choice. We're getting a decent privacy protecting. I think that's the other thing they'll promote. Privacy protecting local model from Apple, even though it's powered by Gemini, It's modified for Apple, runs on the device. And then we'll have the cloud stuff mostly, Apple will still have some cloud stuff, but mostly whatever we trust, whether it's Claude or Mistral or Gemini or something else, right?

8:12So I think that's a good near-term solution. Here's my conspiracy theory, Rob, is that Apple has decided, you know what? We don't think LLMs will be the be-all and end-all of this. And while all these companies pour all their resources into LLMs. Let's try to figure out what happens after that. Let's shift our resources to that. Let these guys power the now. We got jumped on LLMs. We were behind. Let's try to get ahead on whatever it is that is going to be the thing that is better than LLMs or different or the next big thing in AI. I hear what you're saying, but that could kind of be like Microsoft saying, you know what?

8:53We're going to get ahead of phones and we're just going to stop doing that. We're going to just leapfrog to the next thing. And then it's like, oh, wow. I think that Microsoft misses not being on the phone train so much that they still think about, you know what? Should we come out with another version of Windows Phone like Amazon is doing? I will not be shocked. In fact, I kind of expect that they will, because I just don't know that you can be that big of a company and have this kind of technology and you don't control it. You don't even control your part of it. You are completely beholden on someone else to allow your software to exist.

9:32And I'm not saying that's the case with Apple. I think Apple is maybe a little bit smarter than that. They said, you know what? We missed it. This is not us. We're not going to go build an LLM. That was never really our ultimate goal. It might've been a little goal, But it wasn't the big G. It was a little G. So what they're saying is that, you know what? We missed it. That's not our thing. These other ones are so far ahead of us. Let's just work with them. Make sure that the ones that we use are safe for our users because ultimately, if it runs through Siri, it doesn't matter who it is. They're going to blame us for it.

10:02So let's make sure that it works well, that it works inside of our walled garden, so to speak. And if we can make a little bit on top of it, take a bit of a cut, we still make money there because people have shown they're going to use whatever LLM they like using. Yeah, I think the Windows Phone is a great example of why that might be what, I might be right, Apple's doing it, but it doesn't mean it will succeed. And in the meantime, what they've been doing with ChatGPT is not an app store, but you can choose to add ChatGPT to Siri or to Apple Intelligence right now if you want to. And if you pay for ChatGPT, you can authenticate with that and get the better results.

10:41So they kind of already have the infrastructure for doing that. They're just going to formalize it and make a marketplace out of it. Man, it makes sense to me. Well, DTNest is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to Michelle Sergiu, Kirk Stephenson, Miranda Janelle, our new patrons, Amin and Tamara, and our returning patron, Gary. And we got a raise by Jay. Hey, I love all of that. Welcome, Amin and Tamara. And thank you, Gary and Jay, as well.

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14:09All right, there's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. Microsoft continues to deal with issues. Microsoft has pulled a preview of a non-security update. The preview became available on Thursday, but some users got an error that said some update files are missing or have problems. We'll try to download the update again later. Microsoft didn't give a timeline on when the update would go back into preview, but the next patch Tuesday cumulative update is coming on April 14th and they probably want to get this back in the insider's hands before then. That's the Windows bad news. GitHub has users dealing with promotional tips being added to pull requests by Copilot extension.

14:46The example getting the most attention is one shared by developer Zach Manson when a person on his team used Copilot to fix a typo. It also added that techs quickly spun up in Copilot coding agent tasks from anywhere on your Mac OS or Windows machine with Raycast. Neil Wynn did a search for that phrase and found 11 ,000 examples in GitHub pull requests. Microsoft says the ability for Copilot to add product tips to pull requests has been disabled. Microsoft VP of Developer Relations Martin Woodward wrote it was giving product tips, which was kind of okay on Copilot originated PRs, but when we added the ability to have Copilot work on any PR by mentioning it, the behavior became icky.

15:27Disabled product tips entirely thanks to the feedback. So that explains why the tips were in there at all, right? If Copilot was making a pull request itself, then it could add whatever documentation it wanted. And they wanted tips to be one of the things that it could add to that. and I like the response, right? I try to judge people by how they respond to their mistakes. The response is, oh, we meant it to do this, but it was doing that. So we just pulled the whole thing altogether because the benefits did not outweigh the costs. Going back to the Windows bug rollout though, like, okay, I'll forgive that co-pilot thing.

16:07That's a mistake. How many of these out of band, this is the third out of band, two enterprise and one regular out of band update since the March patch Tuesday. And it's become normal now to be like, yeah, we'll have patch Tuesday, but then we'll have a couple of out of band updates in between. You're only supposed to have them on patch Tuesday, except in extreme instances. Yeah. Microsoft is getting into the realm, particularly with windows 11. It's like, it kind of sucks. It's like, this is the stuff that this isn't our top story because we, we get this so often. It's like, it's like a literally and every time you release something, we then a few days later, see, oh, we got to pull this back because of this bug.

16:45That is just regular language for Microsoft. And if I'm honest, it didn't used to be like that. Did we hear of these every once in a blue moon? Yes, but it wasn't every time you release something, you had to pull it back because there were some unintended consequences or a bug or something like that in the code. So this is problematic and Microsoft really needs to address this because it's making them look bad from an operating system that I always thought that Windows 11 was a good OS. But if you keep having these issues, you can change my opinion. You can change a lot of people's opinion with what's happening now as compared to what's been happening for the last eight, nine years.

17:23Yeah. And I know a lot of you have been saying this for years now that Microsoft has been degrading. I've been a little hesitant to jump on that bandwagon because I think it's easy to just get mad when stuff goes wrong and nobody's perfect. but this has become a bit of a pattern and a drumbeat that's impossible to ignore, even if you're being the most optimistic. I wonder, Rob, if Windows 11 isn't suffering from being like, oh, we're not going to put out a new version, right? In fact, they said they were going to do that with Windows 10, and then they did Windows 11, but they've been saying this is just going to be the version of Windows from now on.

17:58They seem to want to try to get to a world where they just have Windows, there's no number, and they update it. I don't know if that's the cause of the problem though. Maybe you do need a full reset every once in a while to, to kind of rip up the flooring and make sure everything's working from the ground up. I think maybe you do. Now we look at something like Chrome and I don't know how many is it? 77 million Chrome updates that there are at this point. I'm being facetious in saying that, but Chrome just kind of updates, but that's just one browser into the world. This is a full operating system.

18:29And at some point, you know, if it starts to get long in the tube, maybe it makes sense to say, you know what, Let's let's want to continue to support this for years to come and we'll continue to do everything that we're doing for years to come. But let's actually work on what is that next thing? Because what's happening now is that an operating system that for the first few years of this thing being out, I thought, man, this is really nice operating system. And it's like now, man, it's like, OK, it's it's it's not even something I'm thinking about. I fully expect the reputation of Microsoft to me at this point is that I expect that when they release something on a Tuesday, it's going to get pulled back before the next Tuesday.

19:06That's just kind of the reputation at this point. And that's not a good place for the company that builds the number one operating system in the world to be. That's just not a good place for them to be. No, I mean, Windows always has more attention on it. So it always has more publicity for its bugs. It always has more bugs because it's got more users. and so more people are looking for them. But that's been true for the entire run of Windows since the 1980s, right? So this is not, that part isn't new. The frequency we're seeing is new. Now, one of the reasons that it has more bugs is because it has to be available for multiple platforms.

19:42Maybe being available for ARM platforms, adding some more complexity is also part of this. Obviously, you've got different versions of Windows for that, but I don't know, that might be part of this too. You're pulling resources in multiple directions. This is another reason maybe for another operating system, because I do believe that ARM is the future for just PCs. I think that eventually they're all going to be ARM processors. So we know that there's still a lot of x86-based stuff out there. If that's the case, why don't you just go ahead now and say, you know what, let's just build something new that works for this thing really, really well.

20:15We don't have to worry about backward compatibility as far as – let me rephrase that. You don't have to worry. Microsoft always, more than any other company, has to worry about that. My point is that you build this new thing that's going to run this new version. The new version doesn't run on the old hardware. It only runs on this. So you're now only solving issues for the new hardware. So it's not backward compatibility that you're taking away. It's just that we don't have to worry about trying to make this thing work on older hardware. It's only going to run on this new style of hardware. Backward compatibility for apps, not for the operating system.

20:49Exactly. Yeah, I got you. Exactly. So I wonder if they maybe should do that because like I said, you know, they're contemporaries. Last time I checked, no matter what distro of Linux you're on, there's a lot of distros of Linux and they're still pumping those things out. Same thing with Mac OS, same thing with iOS, same thing with Android, Google or Microsoft. Why are you the only one that wouldn't want to do this? I'm not sure. Yeah. Well, I think they need to do something. So let us know if you know what it is. An article published in the journal Science by scientists from Stanford called Sycophantic AI Decreases Pro-Social Intentions and Promotes Dependence describes findings from research meant to determine what effect LLM sucking up to you has.

21:32When they're always like, that's right, boss, great idea. The first part of the study took queries in which the actor of a story was generally agreed to be a villain. They pulled these from comments on a popular subreddit, as well as credible interpersonal advice sources. And then they entered the query into 11 different LLMs saying like, hey, this guy told his girlfriend he was unemployed for two years to hide the fact that he had money for it. Right. So it's stuff like that. That was one of the examples. The LLMs validated the villain's story 49 % more often than humans did. In stories that included harmful or illegal actions, the LLM validated the behavior 47 % of the time.

22:19Now, granted, it's still a majority not validating the villain's story. But if you are presenting yourself as like, hey, I'm the villain, 49 % of the time, it's like you're fine. In the second part of the study, 2 ,400 participants interacted with chatbots. Some of them were sycophantic, some of them were filtered to not be. And they found that participants preferred and trusted the sycophantic ones and were more likely to choose them to ask for advice again. The effects persisted when you controlled for demographics, when you controlled for familiarity with AI, when you controlled for the perceived source of the response.

22:58Interacting with sycophantic chatbots generally made participants more likely to believe they were right. So I think this is great. I love getting good research like this that is well-vetted and well-controlled and says, hey, you know what? Not good to have these. I don't know if we need a law necessarily, but we should make sure that we know that if it's sycophantic, it's probably not helping us. And hopefully that the companies that provide them will make them less like that as well. If you really think about it, this makes perfect sense when you think about human nature. If we were to just look at like news, we tend to like the news that makes us feel good about ourselves.

23:40So I'll watch this channel because I like what they say. And I already kind of think that way. I like, you know what? You told me that you liked my teal background and my teal sweater today before you told me about the news. So I feel better about the news because you made me feel good about me before you said something about the world. That's just human nature. So I'm not shocked by this at all. In fact, I would say that I kind of, if I just think out how these bots will eventually take the world over, this kind of makes sense. It's like, you know what, before you just impose world domination, why don't you, you know, tell the people that, you know, hey, I liked your shirt.

24:15You smell good today before you start giving them information, because they'll be more likely to believe it when you make them feel better about themselves. Yeah. I mean, it's true for humans, right? Why wouldn't it be true for the bots? I always like having scientific validation of like, we think this is true. And I don't find it to be disappointing when it tells me something that I thought was obvious, because, you know, we all have biases. So maybe we're wrong. Turns out this one we're not and this is another good reason that you do need to do the research because we kind of felt like this this makes sense i'm saying that it makes sense but we didn't have any evidence of it that was purely anecdotal it's like rob feels this way tom might feel you know a different way but this is empirical they actually went out and tested this to see what do we get from it um i'm sure that it'll be peer-reviewed as you know um you know at some point if that it's already published in a peer-reviewed so it's already peer-reviewed so so yeah so this this is how this works.

25:07So it's good to at least know that our beliefs of how these things would work are kind of based on human nature since humans built them. So that's really interesting to me. The Wall Street Journal has sources telling it that what caused OpenAI to end development of generative video, including Sora, will start off with OpenAI needed to free up compute for a new model code named Spud. The Sora model wasn't profitable. Training the next model upgrade to Sora was going to be very expensive. The Sora team works separately from the rest of OpenAI research. This team is shifting to longer term bets like robotics.

25:40Resources will focus on agentic uses. So when I think about this, it does confirm a lot of what we've heard and suspected. But here's the thing. Sora is expensive. I believe it was costing OpenAI over a million dollars a day to run this. And it generally was just making people upset. it was just getting mad it was really cool time i remember when you first got it on ios it was like for the first i don't know four or five days you were putting tons of stuff out when it came out on on android i was doing the same thing i probably i probably have made 10 videos i don't think that i've opened this thing up since the 10th video was made yeah i i had a great time testing it pushing its boundaries seeing what it could do i think a lot of other people did as well I fell off of it after I got my yaya's out and was like, okay, I think I hit the boundaries of it.

26:32And they started tightening things up as well. And I think a lot of people did. And the usage leveled off. Now, what the Wall Street Journal article tells us here is a little bit what we were just talking about with the scientific story. Like a lot of our assumptions were true. They looked at this and said, we could use the expensive compute this is sucking down elsewhere. So let's do that because we think that's a better bet for us. And we're starting to fall behind Anthropic and Google in ways that we don't want. We want to keep in the game. So that all makes sense. That's what we suspected before.

27:04The other thing the Wall Street Journal article showed was that this team was treated almost like a separate startup within OpenAI. And so that's why I was able to do a couple of things that felt different than the rest of OpenAI. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just in this case, the startup failed. It did not end up getting the confidence of its backers, a.k.a. Sam Altman and the rest of the executives that run OpenAI. And so it's being closed down. Yeah, I think one of the reasons it did start up as a startup within OpenAI is because they really thought this is going to be a social network.

27:37And it became evidently clear after about six weeks, two months, this is not going to be a social media network. So if the original premise is not going to be met, we're spending a lot of money on this. It mostly makes people upset about deep fakes. And we could have those really, really smart developers work on stuff that actually makes us money. I think if this had looked like something that had a rising curve or if they didn't have so much trouble getting enterprise customers, I mean, they got Disney, but I think that was a lot of work. And they realized it's going to be even more work to get more clients to use this.

28:13I think if any of that hadn't been true, they might have kept going with it. but it's not even just the cost, it's the compute. They're like, we only have this much compute resource and we need to use it wisely. Is this the wisest use? And it turned out their answer was no. What do you wanna hear us talk about on the show, folks? One way to let us know is our subreddit. We get great ideas, great tips. Sometimes we know about a story, but seeing it on the subreddit goes like, oh yeah, that's definitely one we wanna include. So submit stories and vote on them at reddit.com slash r slash daily tech news show.

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29:53Let's get into the quick headlines, the things that are just good to know. Motorola UK posted on X that the company's first book-style foldable, the Razor Fold, will go up for pre-order in the UK in 15 days, which would be April 11th. French lab Mistral AI has raised$830 million to build a data center near Paris. And of course, they're going to buy NVIDIA chips to put in it. Thanks to RW Nash for noting that Blue Sky has released an app called Addy, which uses claw to let you build custom Blue Sky feeds by describing what kind of post you'd like to see. Yeah, and then you can add it to Blue Sky if you really build one you like, which is interesting.

30:33Thanks to Spelucci, who noted this one on our subreddit, though it didn't have a link at first. I had to go find the link. Always include a link. Bleeping Computer is our source for this. It says macOS Tahoe has added a feature to alert you if you're about to paste or execute a harmful command in Terminal. This is going to help stop things like click fix attacks. Had tip to Motang who noted that Sony Japan is temporarily halting new orders for its lineup of cf express and sd memory cards saying supply won't meet demand for the foreseeable future so ramageddon is we're in full bore ramageddon this way we are we are but there is hope south korea's sk hynix has filed the first paperwork for an ipo in the u.s which if it succeeds would raise a lot of money it can use to build new manufacturing capacity for memory it's not going to happen anytime soon once i say it'll be two to five years before those boundaries are done tech z explorer noted that the story that uber has agreed to buy chauffeur booking app back lane to bolster its high-end ride-hailing services and tech crunch reports that court records indicate the u.s fbi obtained warrants to compel apple to give them the identity of users who had used hide my email to anonymize logins this is search warrant done right with a court and all that just remember hide my email hide your email from the place you're logging into.

31:55It does not hide it from anybody who has a court order. Well, folks, we end every episode of DT Nest with some shared perspectives. Today, Yaniv has some thoughts on what might follow the Mac Neo. Ah, yes. Yaniv writes, since the MacBook Neo was announced, I keep thinking of the Mac Neo, smaller than the Mac Mini and cheaper, maybe$199,$299. And with the rumors of the Apple glasses having this combination could be convenient and pretty cool a powerful computer that fits in your pocket with enough power to run virtual reality or augmented reality glasses still trying to figure out what other functions it could be used for replacement for apple tv server any other ideas as always love the show so i actually asked this question on on social media last week it was like, Hey, you know, should, shouldn't Apple be thinking about a Mac, you know, you know, a Mac, you know, a Mac Neo, something below the Mac mini.

32:55Yeah. And it was just a question because there were, there, there were just, you know, renderings, you know, AI renderings of these small little devices out there and they look cute. But when I really think about it, so you can already get a Mac mini for 500 bucks. You can, you can already do that at, you know, 599 for a brand new one. I don't know that you can get much under that because if you were to, your Apple would be cannibalizing a device that actually sells pretty well. So I just, I just wonder, is there, is there really a reason that you would want to go that inexpensive? Because now you're getting in between, I said, between an Apple TV and a Mac mini, you know, with the pricing of $250,$299, somewhere in there.

33:36But that just seems like that's going to eat into the Mac minis you can already get for$499,$599,$699, so on and so forth. Apple doesn't ever mind cannibalizing its own lines as long as it's the one doing it. So maybe they would do it anyway. I think if they put out like a phone sized Mac mini that ran on an A16 Pro Max, you know, I think that would, that would grab a lot of attention. You know, people would really pay attention to that. I don't know if there's a market for it. Are there enough people that want a desk, you know, a very tiny desktop, uh, that they can even carry around with them like that.

34:14Uh, but they still have to like a Mac mini, you know, plug in your keyboard, plug in your, your mouse and your, your display. Uh, I, I I'm 50, 50 on whether I could see him doing it or not for a lot of the reasons you said, uh, not. And, and just because of the splash factor, maybe yes. I liked where Yanov went where he's like, what if it was meant for what, if they could do it wirelessly with that, without too much latency, uh, attaching to, you know, glasses or a pendant or something to, to give it a little extra boost of power. You just keep it in your pocket. You never have to take it out, you know, but it's able to keep your headwear from being that big old Apple vision pro computer you have to wear on your face.

34:53Yeah. That sounds like a, that sounds like an iPhone 16 to me though. I mean, yeah, but you don't have to put cameras in it. You don't have to, you couldn't make it less expensive. I just, you know, you're right. Apple does not mind canalizing their own stuff, but I'm just thinking with the price of RAM, just the component price, can you get this thing cheap enough to where you sell enough of them that it actually warrants the exercise? And I'm not so sure. That's where I run into it too. I hadn't even thought about the component prices. That's temporarily a big problem too. But yeah, if you don't know, do you have the demand?

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