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16 Mar 2026 · 30m · 13 chapters

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Apple Is the Most Repairable in 14 Years - DTNS 5226

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Hosts: Tom Merritt and Robb Dunewood

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The episode discusses Apple’s recent push towards repairability in their new MacBook, including implications from potential EU regulations, as well as market impacts from ongoing geopolitical issues.

  • IFixit's Rating: The new MacBook Neo received a score of 6 out of 10 for repairability, marking it as the most repairable MacBook in 14 years.
  • Battery Design: The battery is removable with 18 screws instead of glue, which can cause battery damage and safety risks.
  • Regulatory Influence: Changes may be influenced by upcoming EU regulations requiring user-replaceable batteries by mid-2027.
  • Parts and Repair Ease:
  • Apple provided detailed information about the screw types for recyclers.
  • No parts pairing issues were found, allowing users to replace batteries without restrictions.
  • Other components like the keyboard are easier to replace.

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Chapters

3:06

Apple's Most Repairable MacBook

Discussion about the repairability of the new MacBook Neo and its implications.

“iFixit suggests that they might be doing this because the EU requires user replaceable batteries by mid-2027.”
5:18

The Impact of EU Regulations

Explore how EU laws may influence Apple's design choices for repairability.

“Yeah, my gut tells me that Apple is doing this because the law is telling them to in a place where they sell a lot of Apple stuff.”
7:22

Rob's Experience with the MacBook Neo

Rob shares his experiences unboxing and using the MacBook Neo.

“would have never bought your device, potentially take a look at your device.”
10:54

Live With It Series Announcement

Introduction to the 'Live With It' series featuring Rob's experience with the MacBook.

“You can find it on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash daily tech news show, or just get it as a podcast if you want as well.”
11:12

Patreon Support Acknowledgment

Acknowledgment of DTNS supporters and new patrons.

“and our new patrons, Killoy, Roy, Joy, and Kenny, and our returning patron, Bill.”
14:55

OpenClaw and Its Impact on Device Makers

Explore the implications of OpenClaw on the tech industry and device makers.

“OpenClaw is continuing to have an effect on device makers.”
17:00

Ether: A New Browser-Based OS

Discover the features and potential of the new Ether OS and its applications.

“The AT protocol is an open protocol that BlueSky uses.”
19:21

Industry Cooperation Against Scams

Learn about tech companies collaborating to combat online scams and fraud.

“The companies agree to cooperate on several measures, including new fraud detection tools, better user security features, and more robust verification for financial transactions.”
21:45

Impact of Middle East Tensions on Chip Manufacturing

Understand how geopolitical conflicts may disrupt global chip manufacturing.

“And then we might actually get a law passed if you get some, you know, bipartisan support from people who actually know how to prevent spam or prevent scams.”
24:21

Supply Chain Disruptions and Future Risks

Analyze how supply chain vulnerabilities could impact technology production.

“And what we learned during the pandemic is that it only takes a feather to completely disrupt the supply chain.”
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28:10

Tech Headlines Roundup

Get the latest updates on tech news including Apple, Meta, and NVIDIA.

“All right, some quick headlines that are just good to know.”
29:21

Industry Developments and Challenges

Discuss new product announcements and market shifts from various tech companies.

“that can scan repositories for sensitive info like private keys that shouldn't be in your code.”
31:31

Anthropic and the DOD Discourse

Explore the ongoing discussion about Anthropic's relationship with the Department of Defense.

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2:44This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, March 16th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you some important context, and try to help each other understand. today the most repairable macbook since the obama years is also the cheapest it's uh it's the most repairable since gundam style came out as a matter of fact i'm todd merritt i'm rob dunwood but i gotta ask it's been that long since that song came out i feel like i just heard it like the other day i guess you could still hear songs they're old but you might have just heard it i'm todd merritt let's start with what you need to know with the big story iFixit gave the macbook neo a 6 out of 10 now you may say 6 out of 10 how good is that for a mac it's pretty darn good and it's actually you know getting close to being like oh that's that's fairly repairable uh as we mentioned most repairable macbook in 14 years the big thing is they didn't glue the battery in it's a battery in a tray with 18 screws 18 screws is a lot of screws but those are 18 screws you can easily take out rather than glue which might damage the battery and even risk some kinds of explosions or other damage.

3:58So it's very simple to take out. You undo the screws, you take it out. iFixit suggests that they might be doing this because the EU requires user replaceable batteries by mid-2027. So we might see this on other laptops, but the Neo is the first. Apple also gives you a list of all the screw types used inside the device when you open it up, which is something really good for recyclers. That might be something they're trying to apply to their list of green credentials out there, but that's something they're not mandated to do. iFixit also found no parts pairing issues. None of this situation where you put in your own battery and it's like, whoa, you have an unauthorized battery.

4:39they also noted easier keyboard replacement and generally a flat disassembly tree that means that you don't have parts stacked unnecessarily behind each other or behind glue and everything's fairly easy to get out of there on the downside ram is still soldered in uh and there's a few other bits and bobs that are a little more difficult than maybe they would absolutely necessarily be that's why you get a six not a seven and eight or a nine but but rob i think a lot of people were were very surprised because they assume that Apple just doesn't care about repairability. And while some of this may be mandated by following laws, they're making it for everybody and doing some things they wouldn't have had to do either.

5:18Yeah, my gut tells me that Apple is doing this because the law is telling them to in a place where they sell a lot of Apple stuff. So that's part of it. But it is also interesting. It's very, very interesting that the the MacBook that literally costs half as much as the next MacBook in the line is the most repairable. It's the one that you would think that, well, this one is so inexpensive in the range of MacBooks that you wouldn't care at all about fixing this one. You just go get a new one if there was a problem with it. But because probably of these laws in the EU, it makes sense that they have to start thinking about when that law kicks in in 2027.

5:56I have always been of the opinion that Apple did not actively try to make things unrepairable. They just prioritize their own design sensibilities above it. So if gluing in a battery made it thinner, made it fit the profile they wanted, then they would do that and not care. Maybe the law is nudging them to get out of that mindset. I think you're right. But I also wonder if Apple may be saying, you know, we could win over a lot of people, you know, to become our customers if we make things repairable and if we see as they have been saying for more than 10 years now that services is the future of revenue for apple then you want people to not only buy your devices but use them for a long time because you'll you want to get that subscription revenue from them for things like icloud and apple tv and music and all the rest that actually makes a lot of sense because if you can hang on to a device a little bit longer than you ordinarily would have because you can't fix it it's like if this breaks or the the battery needs to replace and your only option is just to go out and get a new device when you go out and get a new device there's the option that well you could go get a device that's not an apple device now we know that most apple users once they're in that ecosystem they tend to stay in it that you know apple is very good about that ecosystem lock-in but you at least if you are making it repairable you are making people who would have never bought your device, potentially take a look at your device.

7:25And you're also, you know, keeping, you know, folks, you know, kind of happy that, Hey, I don't have to go get a brand new laptop. I can just replace this thing. And it'll still give me another 18 months, two years out of. Yeah. Again, I don't know that that's what they're doing. I'm sure a few of you are scoffing loudly at the idea that that's what they're doing, but, but it could be, and it would be smart to do because you keep a happy customer, you keep them as a customer. Well, Tom, I don't know what they're doing, but do you know what I'm doing? Can you guess what I'm doing? What you're doing?

7:55Yeah. I'm excited about what you're doing. That's a MacBook Neo right there in your hands. A Neo that I just picked up. I think I picked it up Friday. I am fortunate enough to live 1.6 miles away from an Apple store. It's in walking distance. So I will be unboxing this and the first video will just be just me taking it out of the box. Here's what's in it, that kind of stuff. and then I will do like an initial impressions. But the reason we have this is that I'm not a Mac user. I have not used the Mac since the PowerBook 520C back when I was in college in the 90s. So we're going to live with this for a, I don't know, a month or six weeks or so, and then come on and do a full, Rob has lived with this for a while.

8:40I think one of the reasons why it makes sense for me to do it is because I'm not a Mac user. This is not a Mac for you, Tom. It's not a Mac for Sarah. For anyone who uses a Mac that is significantly higher end than what this is, this is probably not the device for you. But for someone like me who doesn't have a Mac, I don't know where I'm starting. This is something I can honestly give it an opinion based off of what it is, a$490 or$599 piece of hardware that I just picked up at the new hotness store right around the corner from the house. Now, the clickbait headline is Windows hater tries Mac.

9:12You're not a Windows or Apple hater tries Mac. You're not an Apple hater. But like you said, you, you have not lived in that universe. So I think this is a great test of like, okay, if Apple wants to bring people over from Android and windows ecosystems into their system, is the Neo a good entryway to that? I love that you're doing it. Right. So you get, so you guys got to tune in to live with it to find out. Um, like I said, can't tell you exactly when an episode's coming out because I need to live with it first, but I want to put the thing through the paces and we'll, we'll, we'll see how it fares out for a, like, do you have enough use cases for a lighter lighter performance laptop like that yes because my 3500 dell xps is sitting here this is what i paid for back in 2019 is humongous and it's heavy yeah that don't want to carry that around if you remember back at ces i was trying not to bring my laptop with me i was like let let me just see if i can do things on on my tablet and i actually was i was not using when when we were doing our live show from the floor of CES, I wasn't using a laptop, I was using my tablet.

10:16And so this is a full Mac. It is significantly more capable than a tablet would ever be because it's got the full Mac operating system on it. We'll just see what can it do with the eight gigs of memory. And once again, I'm not coming from a place of where I already have a MacBook Pro with 32 gigs of memory in it that I am using DaVinci Resolve to create 6K video. I'm not doing that. This is just a new piece of hardware that I'm picking up, and I'm going to just put it through the paces and see how it works for me from someone who's coming from Windows to Mac not for the first time, but in a long time.

10:52It's been a while since I've used it. In a while. Been a minute. Well, yeah. Folks, keep an eye on Live With It. You can find it on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash daily tech news show, or just get it as a podcast if you want as well. and keep an eye out for when Rob shows up to follow up on that. I'm looking forward to it too. DTNS was made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to Carmen Bailey, Chris Benetow, Jeffrey Zilks, and our new patrons, Killoy, Roy, Joy, and Kenny, and our returning patron, Bill. And we got a raise from another Bill in Lawrence. Oh, wow. Good stuff. Always good to catch up on the weekend and find out who's given us a raise.

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14:55There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. OpenClaw is continuing to have an effect on device makers. AMD wants to create a new product category called the Agent Computer, meant for people who like to run agents locally. These are defined as systems using AMD Ryzen AI Max Plus processors, including the AI Max Plus 395 with 128 gigabytes of unified memory. AMD's agent computers for Windows list includes systems from Asus, Framework, Kunlun Meta, Lenovo, HP, and more. Meanwhile, Alibaba launched a mobile app called JVS Claw for Android and iOS. It helps you install and deploy OpenClaw.

15:31Tencent, Minimax, and ByteDance are all developing their own OpenClaw-focused products as well. I think it's weird to provide you OpenClaw in a cloud source with kind of the whole idea of OpenClaw is that you're able to run it yourself. Uh, we'll see, we'll see Alibaba has got to try some stuff like that, but it is interesting to see all these companies start to look at the craze around open claw and figure out how they can be a part of it. Now, when we first talked about open claw, I think the very first time that I talked about it, I thought that the cloud play would be the way that people would do this almost like a, like a managed services for this because it's cool to put it on your own Mac mini, you know, or something like that, you know, in the house.

16:13But if you're going to be using this for work, it's a lot colder to put it into a cloud where you don't have to worry about backups. You don't have to worry about, you know, did it did it reboot if you weren't home? Yeah, that managed solution seems like this is something that could take off for this. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I'm underplaying the number of people who are running it in the cloud already because it gives you some security advantages as well. So, and I think, you know, the knock on OpenClaw at the beginning was that it was very insecure. But honestly, you know, we're seeing that that security is getting better.

16:50It's still insecure if you don't know what you're doing. But I think they've done a decent job of hopping on bugs and squashing them. So, yeah, I think we're going to see more of that. A browser-based operating system called Ether, A-E-T-H-E-R, has launched using the AT protocol. The AT protocol is an open protocol that BlueSky uses. It is similar to what they use on Mastodon, but just a different protocol. It includes 42 applications, the Ether OS does, including task managers, video editor, text editor, and of course a BlueSky client called Deckard. The aesthetic is very retro cyberpunk. You got a lot of black and glowing green in there.

17:31And there's not a lot of documentation yet. So this is not going to be for everybody. We don't know what all the ins and outs of it are. I don't think there's an easy way for you to have a saved session since it's running in a browser tab. But I don't know. There may be workarounds for that. If any of you are playing with it, let us know what you think. Feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. A browser-based operating system. That could be a thing. Now they've got to get it figured out. It needs to be persistent. I need to be able to turn my computer off and come back to it and continue the work where I left off.

18:05But it's amazing how powerful the laptops and the PCs that we are now using and just how powerful the browser. We don't think of a browser as a tech heavy application because they don't have to be if you're only running one tab. But the fact that you can run an entire operating system just in a tab is really pretty impressive for what that browser is ultimately doing all the things that it has hooks into. Yeah, I think of this as a an alternative for Chrome OS. So let's say you you you can run it locally, which I can't imagine you won't be able to do. Put it on an old device. You're running it.

18:44You're using your blue sky credentials as as your login. So you've got cloud credential management, but it's from a decentralized system, not a centralized system. So it's not somebody who's trying to monetize your personality. And you're able to do an open source Chromebook style operating system. Again, lots of things to work out here, but I think it's an interesting project for sure. I absolutely believe also that it's got over 40 applications now. That number is just going to go up if this thing hits. So this will be something that we'll have to come back and take a look at and see how it does.

19:16Yeah. And again, if any of you are playing around with it, please, please let us know. Thanks to Motang for noting this on our subreddit, Google, Microsoft, LinkedIn, Meta, Amazon, OpenAI, Adobe and Match Group have all signed the online services accord against scams. The companies agree to cooperate on several measures, including new fraud detection tools, better user security features, and more robust verification for financial transactions. Companies will also agree on best practices for scam detection, prevention, and reporting. They'll also share information on criminals with each other and law enforcement.

19:50And they also plan to lobby governments to make scam pretension even a priority. So they're doing a lot here. Yeah. And it's worth noting, like there's no penalties for them not doing this. But this is more like an industry standards organization. And it's one of those things that's in their best interest. They lose money. Their customers get hurt. This is not just PR. We're trying to prevent scams. Like they really do want to, they have a vested interest in reducing this. So I feel like these are companies that say we're going to be better at fighting this if we work together. And there really has been a lack of attention on the fact that these kinds of scams are flourishing in kind of rural war zone area places where they can abduct people and force them to work on this stuff, along with the ability for LLMs to make it easier and easier to fool people.

20:45So I am glad to see some firepower being brought against this, especially to get governments to say like, hey, you're talking about a lot of BS out there that gets you votes but doesn't really make a difference. This can actually make a difference in people's lives. And one of the things here is that when you – why are they doing this? Because, as you said, it is for their better interest. It behooves them to make these things more safe for the users that are on them. But also if you leave it to the government the government is always Way behind where the technology is these companies if they all get together and say hey We know how our stuff works and we see what's coming and they work on it collectively That's better than almost any type of government instituted here Here's a law that you must now follow because what ends up happening is that this is what you wrote in the law This is what we do.

21:33That's not necessarily what's best for the users that's just best for them to meet the compliance of said law or regulation that came into place. So the fact that they're working on this independently of that, I think is a really a good thing. Yeah. And then we might actually get a law passed if you get some, you know, bipartisan support from people who actually know how to prevent spam or prevent scams. You know, I know it's crazy to say that anything could get done in the current political climate. But, you know, this has a better chance than some others. Yeah, because no one likes spam. I don't think that is a one side of the aisle type of thing or the other.

22:09No one wants this. So if they can make it better, nobody wants scams. So if you can make it better, make it better. Bloomberg has an interesting article on the effects of the war against Iran on chip manufacturing. Not something I'm hearing a lot of people talking about, but right now, companies like TSMC and even Foxconn say they're fine. but analysts and investors are concerned that if the war continues it'll start to disrupt chip making in taiwan china and elsewhere in asia why would that be here i'll take you through some of the highlights but it's worth reading the article yourself chip making components could be reduced so a third of helium is processed in cutter and there are drones battering cutter and cutter is having a hard time getting shipments out sulfur is generated as a byproduct of oil and gas refining So if you have less oil and gas refining going on at the moment, you have less sulfur.

23:00There are other ways to get it, but it gives you a temporary reduction in it. And I think this is the bigger one. A third of the fuel used in Taiwan's electrical grid comes from the Middle East, whether it's liquefied natural gas or crude oil. TSMC makes about 90 percent of the world's most advanced logic chips. So if they have a hard time powering their factories or the power they need to power their factories rises in cost, that's going to affect chips. Disruption would raise prices not only of components already under price pressure, but it would affect other components as well. I mean, we have all this increased demand because people are building data centers.

23:38Now you're going to make it more expensive, potentially, to make that stuff. Taiwan says it has enough liquefied natural gas and crude oil to last through April. Uh, they, they are very dependent on shipments, but they say they've stockpiled enough to last through April. Uh, so if supplies start to loosen up by then they should be okay. Uh, but yeah, this, this would, uh, cause chip makers to prioritize the highest margin chips, Rob, which are not the chips that go in the devices you and I. So, so here's the thing. Um, they have enough, they have enough supply to work through next month. But the thing we know about wars is that they don't generally take weeks.

24:15They take many months, if not years to get sorted out. And what we learned during the pandemic is that it only takes a feather to completely disrupt the supply chain. It's a cascading effect. So if you can't get this and you can't get that, then we can't do this and we can't build this. And if we can't build that, then these other things can happen. It's almost like a Dr. Seuss book, but it doesn't take a lot to disrupt the supply chain. So although we believe that they're going to be fine for the next month or six weeks or so, depending on how long the turmoil that we have going on in the world last could really, you know, make, you know, these companies have to think about how do we, you know, how do we work in a world where we can't necessarily get the supplies that we need from the places that we used to get them from.

25:01You cannot change supply chain overnight. So can you get it somewhere else in the world? Yes. But that's that that is a significant undertaking to make that happen. And that doesn't happen in days or weeks or even months. It could take many months to see supply changes shift if there's a place in the world where you just can no longer get your supply or you can't get it out or you can't get it to the people you need to get it to. Yeah, that's why getting those ships rolling through the Strait of Hormuz is so important. Justin Robert Young at the Politics, Politics, Politics podcast doing a great job covering this, as well as the Economist podcast is another great source of information I have on this.

25:39And right now it's not the danger of the drones so much as the insurance. There are companies that could, there are boats that could go through there and probably make it through unscathed just fine. But if something were to happen, insurance wouldn't cover it. And companies don't want to risk that. They don't want to be the one that has something happen. And then they lose out on the insurance and the insurance is saying, we, we can't tell you, we can't cover you if you go through a war zone. So it is less about the reality of can you get a ship through there and more about getting that whole insurance situation resolved so that they're willing to put the ships through there.

26:19Not to mention risking people's lives. I mean, yes, 90 % of the ships might make it through, but you don't want to be on one of the 10 % of the ships that don't. So I understand why the ships themselves would not be wanting to go through there as well. So, yes, far from very complete in its resolution. but thought it was interesting to see the tendrils of this starting to affect the tech sector. Absolutely. Well, folks, we want to know what you want to hear us talk about on the show. And one of the best ways to do that is via our subreddit. So submit your stories and vote on them at www.reddit.

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28:26Yeah, that's not tariffs either. That's just kind of a weird one-time thing. Thanks to Evelyn Cleed on our subreddit for reminding us that NVIDIA's GTC conference, well, C is the conference, starts on Monday. We'll take a close look at what the company announces in tomorrow's show, but expect some news about NVIDIA's CPU strategy. MetaSound, a cloud computing agreement with Dutch company Nebius on Monday. In related news, Reuters reports that its sources say Meta is planning to lay off 20 % of its workforce. Both of those made its stock price go up. Apple announced the AirPods Max 2, a new version of its over-the-ear headphones.

29:03Not a big design change, but updated H2 chip in there lets you do some things like live translation along with other improvements to noise cancellation and sound. You can order them starting March 25th. They're the same price as the previous version,$549, and they'll ship sometime starting in early April. The team from GitLeaks has developed an open-source successor called BetterLeaks that can scan repositories for sensitive info like private keys that shouldn't be in your code. Yeah, good news if you were a fan of GitLeaks before. Samsung announced that market tracker FutureSource determined that it had 21.7 % of the world's soundbar market in 2025.

29:43That makes Samsung the leader in soundbars for the 12th straight year. I didn't realize they'd been the leader for that life. I didn't even know they were the leader. Thanks to RWNash for noting on our subreddit that Microsoft is pulling back on the number of features it identifies as co-pilot. For example, the Windows co-pilot runtime was renamed to Windows AI APIs. And I think this is because people are getting kind of tired of co-pilot and AI being in everything that they get. Yeah, exactly. Not so much reduce. I guess they're reducing a sum of the features, but just the names more than anything.

30:16Hua Hong Group said that its Huali microelectronics chip making business is readying a 7 nanometer process. That would make it the second Chinese chip maker to be able to do its own seven nanometer chips after SMIC. OpenEye says ads in chat GPT will not roll out beyond the U.S. for the time being, despite language in its privacy policy that implies a wider rollout. And then DIG announced it has laid off all but a small team as it reboots its relaunch strategy. They were going to try to take on Reddit, but they have encountered a bot problem. The number of automatic bots, especially in this world of agents, is a bigger problem than they had expected.

30:58So Kevin Rose is going to focus solely on Digg. Try to figure that out. The relaunch of Digg, the timing of when it happened with all that's going on with the bots is just unfortunate. The information reports ByteDance has paused plans to launch its C-Dance video generator globally as it deals with copyright infringement accusations. Microsoft pulled the Samsung Galaxy Connect app from the Microsoft store temporarily, while it resolves a bug that caused the app to block your C drive on some Windows 11 systems. Not a good thing to get. It's a little bit problematic. Yeah. Peloton introduced a bike and treadmill for commercial users, aka gyms in Australia, Austria, Canada, Germany, and the UK and US.

31:41I've seen a lot of like hotel gyms have Pelotons, but they were always just regular pelotons that they bought and i guess they're going to make it easier to manage these sort of things uh finally lg announced it will develop home robots using google's gemini and nvidia's isaac platform oh cool we in every episode of dtns with some shared perspectives today paul shares his perspective on anthropics fight with the u.s department of defense yeah so paul is writing uh in response to our discussion on dtns live on the thursday hangout Paul says, I think Rob came very close to the crux of the argument for me.

32:16Let's turn the question on its head. Should companies be allowed to tell their customers how their product can be used? The DOD is essentially saying that license agreements do not apply to them and they can do whatever they want. This could be very self-defeating for the government and may limit who is willing to do business with them in the future. Thank you for the excellent discussion and keeping me informed. I get where Paul's going. I don't think the DOD is saying license agreements don't apply to them. I think what the DOD is saying is they would like a different license agreement. They would like a more permissive agreement, basically.

32:50But I do appreciate Paul saying in very few words, but I probably took an awful lot to say less effectively. But this is an issue. As someone who came from a software developer background, someone who spent most of my adult career working for large software companies, you do want to be able to say this is how you use our software in your in your license agreement because if you don't say this is how you use it and then somebody uses it in a way that you didn't say that they could use it and something breaks somewhere in the world then who are they going to look at not the person who did the thing that broke the stuff they're going to look at the person who are the company who created the stuff so um i am on the side i'm probably biased because As I said, I come from a software development background, but if I create something, I want to put the, here is how this is to be used.

33:39You can't do something that we didn't intend it to do and then come back and blame us for it. That's perfectly sensible, but it's also the same justification John Deere uses to stop you from repairing your traffic. That is true. That is true. There's a line in there. And I think, honestly, the answer is that there is a way to come to an agreement to say, all right, you can use it that way. But you have to make it very explicit that we're not liable for those uses or something like that. That's not really what's going on here. Anthropic just can't communicate with the Department of Defense. It's the communication broke down.

34:16No, Anthropic, they really would love to say, we would love to give you these features if you give us buckets of money. We would like to do that. We're just not there yet. And that's where they are. This is something they actually are trying to do. They just aren't there yet. And I think that once things broke down in the conversations, it just really went left. And this conversation, we have been talking about this now. I think we're in week three, week four of this saga. it's not going anywhere just because there's so many ramifications for, you know, if Anthropic wins on everything, what the government can say.

34:51And if the government wins on, you know, what they can do to any company that decides we don't like you that much right now. Yeah. I mean, it's easy to get these two topics confused as well. And I have to keep reminding myself as well. There is the very understandable disagreement about the use of the product and the terms. And then there's the declaring anthropic a supply chain risk, which I'm on record thinking that that that is nuts. It's hard to argue that there is supply chain risk. And I think that that is you said this many times, they could have effectively done this without saying any words, just, yeah, we're not working with anthropic.

35:31That makes everybody think, well, why couldn't you were already in the government anthropic? Why couldn't you get the deal done? That that effectively does the same thing, but they went nuclear option. You can't do business on earth. Yeah. Which, which then causes a bunch of people to jump to its defense, including every technology company filing amicus briefs on anthropics. And they're not doing it because they love anthropics so much. They're doing it because we don't want this to happen to us. If we get on the wrong side of what the, you know, the department of defense wants. Yep. Well, folks, what are you thinking about?

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