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2:35Jenn Cutter: This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, October 28th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you important context and help each other understand. Today, Apple just released a laptop design that Steve Jobs once called ergonomically terrible. John Ternus calls them the new MacBook Pros with touchscreen, and we'll find out what Sarah Lane wants to call them shortly. Yes, Sarah's going to join us to talk about that and the whole week of Mac announcements. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Jen Cutter. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story. Apple announced a MacBook Pro with an OLED touchscreen on Wednesday.

3:14Jenn Cutter: Comes in 14 and 16 inch versions. And a nice little retro touch. The Apple logo lights up on the lid again. That's not the biggest part though. You can get it with an M5 Pro or an M5 Max. And it is properly titled the ProLED XDR display. The MacBook Pro with a ProLED XDR display, which, by the way, instead of the notch for the camera, uses a dynamic island, just like an iPhone. The display was definitely the star of the show, though, not just because of the touchscreen. Tandem OLEDs use stacked light-emitting layers working in tandem, hence the name, to produce brighter displays with greater efficiency and potentially longer lifespan, and it makes the laptop weigh a little less.

3:59Jenn Cutter: Apple says it has 2 ,000 nits peak brightness, 10 million to one contrast ratio, and the touch part is what makes it light. The sensor is integrated into the display. Apple says that's gonna reduce latency. It really feels like you're touching. In capacitive touchscreens, you often put the touch sensor between the glass and the display. Apple is using an on-cell approach. This is often used in phones, but not always in large laptop displays. There's also a new hinge on this to help stabilize the screen when you touch it or when you're doing a video conference call and you're touching it. Like I said, it weighs less, three pounds.

4:41Jenn Cutter: It's about a half pound lighter than the previous model. Apple did a weird way of announcing this. No live stream, no NDAs. Nothing got posted like right at the top of the hour or as soon as the announcement was done. The announcement took like eight minutes and then they told everyone to just go check it out and information just began to trickle in from here and there. Sarah, what did you think, not only about that weird announcement, but of the laptops themselves? Well, the laptops themselves, I'm into. I do not have a problem with touch screens. I know some people are, you know, the mind immediately goes to, well, just going to have like fingerprint smudges all over it.

5:24And like, who needs this anyway? Well, you could say that about a lot of car displays that now we rely on for lots of things. I mean, this feels like the natural progression to me for Macs. I would love one of these. Do I need one? Not sure. Are they expensive? Yes, they really are.

5:47Jenn Cutter: Yeah, and Gadget did the math. It's about$400 more than an equivalent non-OLED MacBook Pro, but it's going to look a lot more expensive because there's an LCD screen version for the other MacBooks and stuff like that. If you're wondering about apps, all the Apple apps are optimized to work with touch right away because macOS automatically translates touches into clicks. And a bunch of other partners have been doing this. Notion, Canva, Zoom, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Adobe Lightroom, DaVinci Resolve is on there. A bunch of different apps are optimized for the touchscreen. It also has a six-speaker setup with a newly designed woofer.

6:30Jenn Cutter: The MacBook Pro with ProLED XDR display starts at$2 ,899 for the 14-inch with M5 Pro and$3 ,399 for the 16-inch with M5 Pro. Both of those start with 24 gigabytes of unified RAM and a terabyte of storage. If you want to go to the more powerful M5 Max, It goes up to$4 ,499 for the 14 inch and$4 ,799 for the 16 inch. And it gets even more expensive if you upgrade to the max 128 gigabytes of RAM and 16 terabytes of storage. And Gadget says the maxed out version will cost you just$14 ,549. Oh, I actually have that. Yeah. You can order now, shipping November 6th. Oh my gosh. Jen, do any of these prices make you have crazy thoughts?

7:20You know, for the first two prices, I was like, you know, like in my brain, that sounds like right about what Macs cost. And then it just gets on a rocket.

7:29Jenn Cutter: Yeah. When you add the M5 Macs, it goes crazy. And then obviously, if you max out the specs, it's ridiculous. Like 24 gigs isn't bad as a starting thing. But like if you are working in DaVinci, in Blender, in all these things, like you're going to want more than that. I like it. There needs to be a middle ground between 24 and 128. Don't forget unified RAM does work a little better than 24 gigs of discrete RAM would, but you're not wrong, you know, for, for certain agentic things or DaVinci resolve things. You're, you're going to want to have more than 24 gigs in a lot of cases. Going back to the announcement itself, like you said, Tom, a little, a little strange.

8:09Uh, You know, I was already, you know, 10 a.m. Pacific and was like, where's the live stream? Where's the live stream? Apple.com. Nothing. There wasn't one. Nope. Obviously, some outlets were doing live blogging on their own. So we were getting all the information, but it did feel a little strange. And I think this is, I don't really know why, but we've got the iPhone duo, which is like, you know, that was, that was the big news a couple of weeks ago. And then we got the new iPad mini. Then we got new MacBooks updated. Today it's, it's the MacBooks with touch display.

8:52Jenn Cutter: It's don't forget the smart home stuff that sneaked in there between the duo. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I actually did kind of forget about it, but, uh, but, but yeah, it's almost like, I don't want to say that the company was burying this because I think they're hoping that people really take to it and want to buy these expensive machines. But it did feel like, wow, all right, we're at the tail end of a long journey of Apple announcements. This is totally anecdotal. And I know we're talking more about the announcement strategy right now than the laptop itself. And we'll get back to talking about the laptop in a second.

9:31Jenn Cutter: But anecdotally speaking, when they did the actual stream about the duo, my wife was like, oh, yeah, I should watch that. She watched it and she's like, yeah, I don't know if I want it. Today, before I was done writing up specs, while I'm still looking at live blogs and looking for people who are publishing information, And she comes in and was like, yeah, so it's on the store and I specced it out. And I'm like, she's in the market for a new laptop. She's like, it's this much more expensive. And we wanted to talk about that. I'm like, maybe that's why they did it this way is the person who actually wants to buy it went straight to like, oh, it's out.

10:12Jenn Cutter: Let me take a look at the store and see what it is versus waiting for an announcement to finish. Well, but, but, but then the question is we got new MacBooks yesterday. we've got the touch macbook today you know what is exciting about the touch screen and and i i don't have a problem with fingerprints but uh but but i still i was also a fan of the old macbook touch bar and nobody else liked that thing but i was like it's great it just depends on what you're using it for in certain uh applications it actually works really well like when i used logic pro the touch bar was awesome for that reason but it was still kind of limited i feel like the touch screen is depend again depends on what you're doing but for some people that's going to be a big benefit and also i mean windows machines have been doing this for years it's not like people are going to be like wow you have to like touch a screen for the first time never heard of that before it's like no people are people are familiar with that the touch screen laptop I have in my house is a Chromebook, right?

11:23Jenn Cutter: Like this, this isn't new. And I have had a Microsoft surface that was a touchscreen, uh, in the past as well. Uh, I thought it was interesting that they spent zero time justifying the touchscreen. They, if you, if you watch their promotional video, it's like, it's kind of pushed in, in the middle of like, and you can touch it. But the star of the show is like, look at this brilliant OLED display that we put in a Mac book. It's amazing, you know, and oh, since it's OLED, you can also touch it if you want. That might be helpful sometimes. Like they, they didn't try to say like, we know we said it was ergonomically terrible in the past, but we think we've solved that.

12:04Jenn Cutter: Nothing like that. And no mention of Apple Pencil. That was another question a lot of people had was like, oh, can I use an Apple Pencil with it? Nothing on the specs, nothing about that. It's simply your finger is the stylus. As someone who likes touchscreen, I have my old ThinkPad touchscreen that I still use. It's not on Windows anymore because it's too old. It's on Linux. But after I switch from that back to a real computer, I try to poke things because I get so used to having that. And it's like Wacom tablets and stuff. Because when editing, when using Logic Pro kind of stuff, it is nice to be able to just touch, drag, move and not think about it.

12:39Jenn Cutter: Maybe that's why they didn't make a big deal out of it is they didn't want you to think about it as a star feature, but just as like you're talking about, like a thing that you will sometimes want to do, you know? Yeah. It just, it's, it's remarkably more expensive to be able to do the things that some people want to do. That, that was kind of my takeaway is like, wow. Oh, okay. Like a maxed out version of this. Oh yeah. The maxed out versions are always ridiculous on Macs. But this one is especially maxed out and ridiculous. The fact that it, but if you, if you don't look at the maxed out version and you just look at the base, it's four, it's a$400 tax on an equivalent non touchscreen version of a MacBook.

13:26Jenn Cutter: And, and I think that's not too crazy. In fact, Eileen at one point had, had, had found there was a configuration that she was looking at that was not the touchscreen that was more expensive. now it was because of the way that she had configured them so i think i think your eye can go to that fourteen thousand dollar and just like start the fog yeah yeah but but yes that that is only one configuration it's not cheap i think we can all agree on that no no it is no laptops are cheap right now no and that's true too max has never been cheap and it's not a longevity when you're putting that money down yeah i i guess it's smart the the more we talk about it here the the more I realize it's smart for them not to make touchscreen the star and just make it like, oh yeah, it's touchscreen too, but this display and it's lighter, right?

14:20Jenn Cutter: It's lightweight because of the way we did the capacitive display and the fact that we're using tandem OLED and really the ProLED XDR is the advantage here. You know, you get touchscreen because they're putting the ProLED XDR in. I do have to say though, ProLED XDR feels so not Apple. No, especially that that's included in the name. It's the MacBook Pro with Prolet XDR is a very bulky Apple name. Yeah. And listen, other companies have all sorts of crazy names. But Apple has always sort of been like the MacBook Pro with touch plus or whatever. Or ultra or whatever. They would make it like, you know, we're family friendly.

15:05We're just going to make it like, you know, no spec heavy stuff. We're going to, we're going to make it easy to talk about, um, at Thanksgiving, but probably next year, I don't know about that one.

15:17Jenn Cutter: Yeah. I think because they, cause it would have been very easy and very Apple to call it the MacBook pro touch, but that would have immediately done the thing where they were making it the star of the show. Right. And maybe because they don't want it to be at the start of the show, they went for this. Well, let's emphasize the OLED display. Well, what do we call the OLED display? Well, it's the ProLED XDR. And then suddenly you've got this bulky name. Yeah. Well, folks, that wraps up the, what is it? Pro Intel announcement from Apple today. We got an iPad mini. We got the MacBook Pro yesterday with the M6.

15:58Jenn Cutter: This has the M5s, but these are the M5s that are more powerful than the M6. Which is also weird. Yeah. But okay. And they're going to come out with M7 versions of these laptops next year. That'll be a spec upgrade they do. Like, oh, the MacBook Pro with ProLED XDR is now available with M7. Like expect that to happen maybe next fall as one of the mini announcements that they do. That's my guess. Well, thank you, Sarah, for jumping in and help us make sense of this. Appreciate it. And we'll talk to you tomorrow on the show. Indeed. Have a good show, everybody. Thanks, Sarah. DTNS is made possible by you, the listener.

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20:12Jenn Cutter: All right, let's get into the briefs because, Jen, Apple's not alone today. No, it was a very busy day for products. Amazon decided not to let Apple have the entire week to themselves and announced a smart alarm clock, a photo frame, and upgrades to its Echo speakers and Echo show. Going to start with the Echo Studio with Home. camera because it has a camera because say it with me facial recognition it can easily switch between profiles based on who it sees nearby it can also do that by voice and you can hold things up to it and ask questions about whatever it sees which you know feels pretty good and standard by now and it can use the camera for advanced room adaptation to detect how many people are in the space and adjust the acoustics the new echo studio with camera is 250 dollars tom is this something you want in your house?

21:03Jenn Cutter: I wouldn't mind. I have an old Echo Studio. They're still selling the studio without the camera. If it does bother you, they're not discontinuing that one. There's not enough in here to make me want to swap out my old studio for this. I imagine a lot of people will have a reaction to having a camera in their Echo Studio. Those are probably people who wouldn't buy Amazon products in the first place, though. Yeah, I don't think this is a bad thing. You can also pair it up with a Fire TV to do video conferencing, which I thought was kind of an interesting use case as well. If it were to make it so that I can just walk up and it knows I'm Tom and not have to worry about switching profiles, that is something that the Apple Home View is supposed to be able to do well.

21:50Jenn Cutter: So that's become table stakes. I think they needed to do that. So they've also got the Echo Time, an alarm clock with a 2.3 inch screen for clock faces that uses an ultrasonic transducer to tell when you're sleeping based on your breathing. It uses light to help wake you up and can do so based on a schedule determined by your own circadian rhythms. The idea there is that if you need to be up at 7 a.m., it will adjust how much before that it starts brightening lights and playing tones to actually get you up. They made a point of saying it does not have a camera. It is available now for$199. And as somebody with a light wake-up alarm, game changer.

22:31If you've never used one, I highly recommend them.

22:33Jenn Cutter: Yeah, and I guess it depends on how well their algorithm is. But the idea is if you're someone who needs 60 minutes before you need to get up to just start slowly cajoling you, this is better than a bunch of snoozes, right? It's going to bring you along over the course of that hour. If you're somebody like me that gets up easily, they'll just start doing it 10 minutes before. And the algorithm is supposed to - I'm at 40 minutes if you want to keep track. Okay, that's good to know. So it's really dark and then gets a - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to assume this one's going to have pretty good transitions between lights.

23:06Because some of them, if you're buying a cheap light alarm clock, it's off, middle, on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That might as well just flick on the room light.

23:13Jenn Cutter: I had one like that from Hammaker Schlemmer once. I ended up returning it. Yeah, this is fine. $199 a little expensive maybe not these days as expensive uh nintendo's one like this uh you know charges about that much and both of these are going to have cute faces on it so you can pick and choose yeah uh i i'm curious how well that that sleep uh detection works with the ultrasonic stuff you know and they're not doing any snore detection or anything like that it's not a health thing you know but yeah yeah like they kept it basic enough that i think like for the people who want these things and like want to get into it in something already in the ecosystem, I think it's going to do pretty great.

23:53Yeah, I agree. So we've also got the Alexa photo frame. It's a 10 inch touch display meant to look like a normal photo in a frame most of the time pulling from Amazon Photos. You can talk to your frame and ask it to find photos and send them to the frame. You can attach voice memos to photos and have them play back with a tap. And if you buy it for someone else, you can set it up with photos and a voice message of your choice as soon as they open the box. The Alexa photo frame is$200 in black and$229 for birch or walnut.

24:25Jenn Cutter: Yeah, I think those, I may be wrong about this, but the way I read it is it's actual birch and walnut frames, hence the extra 30 bucks. Like it's real wood. I feel like this is for people in the Amazon ecosystem because you can have Amazon photos sync with your Apple or Google photos and it doesn't cost you anything. if you're already a prime member. And then if you're somebody who has an echo, then you just add this in and then you can talk to it and syncs your photos and you can tell it like, we got the family coming on, show me all the family photos. And then it'll be able to tell who your family is and pull them in and all of that stuff.

25:05Jenn Cutter: It seems like, we've had digital photo frames since like 2001. It seems like the digital photo frame has finally been perfected. I like everything about this if I wanted a digital photo frame, which I'm not really the person who does. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. You don't want one. But the growing market is for retiring people, for people who have tech, who have, like, their kids set them up with an Alexa or whatever. And now they can just add this to the network. And now they don't have to worry about, like, you know, them trying to check email on phones and computers and stuff. Just send it to the frame.

25:37There it is. Here's your voice memo. And everyone stays in contact.

25:40Jenn Cutter: Yeah, the photos, the photo of grandma with the little voice memo that you can play. It has the saying that you recorded or saying or singing a song or something. I love that. It's great stuff. And the Echo Show 16 is a version of Amazon Smart Display that has a 16-inch screen. It's also 40 % thinner and has 80 % thinner bezels than previous models. If you put it in the Smart Home Hub mode, later this year, it will be able to use Alexa Home Map, a feature that takes images you send it of your house to determine where your smart devices are. That can help you manage them and do things like adjust the thermostat when you walk into a room.

26:19Amazon was very proud of the 13 megapixel camera. They say it can recognize faces from up to 17 feet away and use night vision. So no sneaking around in the house at night, I guess. You can pre-order now starting at$500 and shipping by the end of the year. if you don't want to wall mount it, a stand costs$70 and a tilt and swivel stand costs$125. There's the last little bit here. The Echo Dot got a faster chip, a fourth beam forming microphone and a better speaker. That one starts at 99 bucks available now.

26:52Jenn Cutter: Yeah. All this stuff can be a home hub now. They're obviously pitching the Echo Show to be your smart home, you know, command center. They have a calendar view now that you can do on the Echo Show and they have a photo view now that you can do it. So they're changing up how it works. Again, it seems like they're in competition with Home View on those kinds of specs. This is the least impressive of the announcements to me simply because it's an upgrade to an already existing product. So they're just adding things to it. But it's not necessarily bad. I definitely just thought of a use for the night vision though.

27:26Okay.

27:27Jenn Cutter: Yeah. You're in the living room. Everyone's asleep. You don't want to wake them up. You can use whisper mode because you're getting a snack out of the fridge and your Echo Show 16 is on the wall in there. And you say, hey, wake me up at 6 a.m., not 7 a.m. Or actually, if you're up in the middle of the night, maybe it's the other way. Wake me up at 8 a.m., not 7 a.m. And then you use whisper mode and it has the night vision so it knows it's you talking. You don't have to say it to you. And then it sends it to your Echo time. See? And then now you haven't woken everybody up. Yeah. See, Amazon is ready for you in all use cases.

28:01Jenn Cutter: Indeed. All right, folks, starting on November 16th, discoverable servers on Discord will get server web pages. These are actual web pages, pages on the web. That's why they're called that. That will include descriptions of your server, you know, like for the Daily Tech News Show server, if it were public, which it is not. It would say like, it's the Daily Tech News Show server. Here's what it's about. It would include summaries of discussions. They're talking about Linux and they're talking about new Apple stuff. And Discord said by mid-December, it will occasionally have word-for-word conversations show up on those pages so you can see what people are actually talking about in that server to get an idea of what's in there.

28:44Jenn Cutter: These pages, because they're on the web, will be indexed and therefore show up in search engines. This is a way for Discord to say, for the servers who want to be a place that brings in new people, like Reddit, you'll be able to search and find out what people are talking about on that Discord server. Now, Discord will not show usernames or avatars on these webpages, just the content, does not include direct messages, group DMs, anything like that, just the things that are in the channels. And this is limited to discoverable servers. So the server has to have agreed to be public. It has to have at least a thousand members and it has to not require invitations.

29:26Jenn Cutter: Admins can opt out certain channels from being included. Maybe they've got a, you know, members only channel or something like that. Individual users can also say, I don't want my messages being included on this. So you can you can be on the discoverable server, but say, don't ever show my messages on these pages. And if you're in Australia, Brazil, Canada, the EU, South Korea or the UK, you'll have to opt in for your messages to be showing up on these pages because the default will be out in those countries. And if you're a teen, you can't be included at all. Teen users will be excluded from this altogether.

30:01Jenn Cutter: Nevertheless, Jen, even with all of these caveats and all of these controls, I've already seen a few people who are upset about this. I was legitimately shocked at the upset that came out of this from the gamer community specifically referencing like we're all pretty sad that forums are dead and dying and all the php stuff going on did not help um but we've like losing all of these great websites with all of these great walkthroughs and guides and hints and stuff that aren't video big part being like these these were things in text that we have lost because they're no longer accessible and searchable and they all move to discord well now if on those discords they become publicly searchable is that not good but then there comes the uh the attribution issue so because these things are not showing usernames and avatars people are like wait so now they're going to just take my work for free and i don't even get credit yeah i mean there's a little bit of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good uh and in the internet internet being uh that person you dated uh who always could criticize you no matter what you said.

31:08Jenn Cutter: And I think that's what's going on here is I think Discord really did make a good faith effort to say like, look, we understand not everybody wants to participate. We'll give you controls. If you had to do it for some countries, opt in, maybe do it all countries to be opted. That'd be my one big criticism is like, why are you making me opt out when you're already have a mechanism in some countries that require it to be opted in? But okay, fine. And then, yeah, you know what? Maybe opt in to people who say, no, I want my username to be on this. But frankly, the idea is that the search engine will take you to the Discord, right?

31:43Jenn Cutter: The Discord page. And when you see the Discord page and you see the conversation, you may want to actually go into the Discord server and find out. So if it's about credit, I mean, yeah, they're not stealing your credit. They're not giving you credit, but there's the balance between privacy and credit. So maybe put that in the user's control. You clearly have room to make granular options. So perhaps once they see how well this gets ingested into search engines in the first place, they can add further granular options. But it's early. I love the notice that that is plenty of time to decide whether you want in or not.

32:21And also the whole thing with discoverable servers, people really took that to mean every server ever. And that is not the case. These are generally giant servers who are advertising that they want people to come in. It is not like your little niche one. You have to have a thousand people

32:36Jenn Cutter: to even be in the conversation. Then it has to be turned into a discoverable server that allows anyone to join, which already is dangerous on Discord to just allow anyone to join without an invite, right? So yeah, this is a small subset of servers that are doing this. Well, folks, a reminder that it is free preview week on our Patreon. If you are following us at the free level, we're putting everything out for everybody this year or this week. No paywall. So editor's desk, bonus shows, all of that stuff goes out to everyone. If you want to try it out and you're not already following us on Patreon, just sign up as a free patron.

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34:38Jenn Cutter: Let's get to the quick headlines that make you smarter. The Xreal Aura wired extended reality glasses with Android XR will launch in November starting at$1 ,099. That includes the glasses with its 120 hertz refresh rate and 1920 by 1200 resolution per eye, as well as the puck that plugs into power it. Yeah, you stick that in your pocket or something, I guess. SK Hynek says it does not expect memory shortages to end until 2030 now. The company outlined many plans to increase production and has long term deals with 14 of its clients that account for more than half of its output already through the 2027 and 2028.

35:19Jenn Cutter: Right. Meta launched an app called Waddle World in the Philippines and only in the Philippines right now on Android and iOS. The game lets you grow a 16-bit virtual pet similar to a Tamagotchi, but with AI. Aw, salamat for that. Kodiak AI will deliver 75 autonomous trucks to California freight company DTL Transport in 2028. This is significant because it's Kodiak's first commercial deal for their driverless trucks. They are providing service directly where they operate the trucks. And in fact, starting in December, the first trucks will be carrying goods for IKEA without needing humans on board.

36:02Samsung launched Galaxy Buds On, a clip-on style headphone design. They'll be available in the US in early November for$229.

36:11Jenn Cutter: I wasn't going to talk about this, but Everybody seems to be talking about the fact that on X, sometimes an animated hand shows up and points at the promote button, trying to get you to pay to have your post boosted. Everybody wants to talk about it. So there we go. We mentioned it. Nobody likes distracting animations. That's why reading the web is so hard. Yeah. NVIDIA released Nemotron 3.5 transcribe on Wednesday, an open weight model that can transcribe audio in up to 40 languages, which is 39 more than I know. You know, this next one, I found this interesting that Etsy reported revenue growth of 11%.

36:54Jenn Cutter: And it's not just because they divested themselves of some assets. Gross merchandise sales grew 9%. Company expects sales to increase 7 % on the year. Maybe that's where everybody's going to make money now is selling things on Etsy. Yeah, well, it's nice to see more homemade stuff going out there. A lot of Etsy sellers were really worried about like all the drop shipping and stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Seems to be a slow, but starting to turn around. Google announced Gemini for Carbon, a follow up to Gemini for Argonne just two weeks ago. It comes to security professionals this week and everybody else soon.

37:30Jenn Cutter: Everybody took forever to get Argonne and they're like, oh, and now four. It's still Gemini 4 though, but still, yeah, it was pretty quick. These are at least code names I can get behind. They're not silly. Okay. That's fair too. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today, Mark has something to add to the weekend conversation about modding your music tech. Yes, Mark, thank you for this. This is a great example of how to do this. Mark wrote, feel free not to air this correction and cast it into the bin of overly nitpicking feedback. But I want to point out an error on this weekend show on vibe coding custom firmware for audio gear.

38:10Jenn Cutter: In the episode, Rich Straffolino mentioned that the Yamaha DX7 is featured on the Van Halen song Jump, while Rich is correct that the DX7, a digital synthesizer, is ubiquitous in 80s pop music. It was not used on Jump. The synth used on Jump was the Oberheim OBXA, an analog synthesizer. Other than that, it was an excellent episode and I learned a few things and I bought an M-Wave FM1. Content like this is exactly why I subscribe to DTNS. Keep up the good work. See what he did? He did a little sandwich of humility and praise with the gentle correction in there. I showed it to Rich and Rich said, as soon as I said it, I knew I wasn't sure and was probably wrong, but I was trying to rack my brain for an example.

38:55Jenn Cutter: And that was the most 80s sounding song that came to mind. And then in all caps, why didn't I say Tarzan boy instead? Damn you, Oberheim. And then he wrote, LOL. Mark was very nice about my synapse malfunction. And after Rich's response, I had to go look up what song was called Tarzan boy. And that was definitely a hyper 80s song. That was amazing. I'm happy I I know it exists now. So also you didn't know about Tarzan boy before. That's oh, yeah. Music video is a little problematic. But in the 80s, no. Yeah, not then. Not then. But yeah, good stuff. And thank you again, Mark. Thank you very much, Mark.

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