Apple Sues OpenAI For Alleged Trade Secret Theft - DTNS 5308

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2:06This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, July 13th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you all the important context, and help each other understand. Today, Apple wants a pound of flesh from OpenAI for alleged trade secret theft. If his allegations are true, it just might get it. It just might get it. Yeah, this is an interesting story. I'm Jason Howell. And I'm Rob Dunwood. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story.

2:36That really big story that was like the big story all weekend. This is the fun that we have when we come on a Monday to do the show. We've got a whole weekend's worth of news, and this one was definitely leading a lot of the online conversation. Apple sued OpenAI on Friday for trade secret theft, alleging that OpenAI's chief hardware officer, Tang Tan, ran a campaign to capture confidential information from Apple employees around hiring. This is really interesting. Tan is, by the way, a former Apple VP of design, spent 24 years at the company. The suit here claims that Tan asked OpenAI job candidates who still worked at Apple to bring unreleased hardware components to interview sessions to kind of like show them off or like a little bit of a show and tell sort of thing, which is interesting to ask for.

3:29It also alleges Tan created a checklist that detailed how employees could actually essentially evade Apple's security procedures, encourage new hires to email confidential files from their Apple devices to personal accounts before signing. Really? I mean, when you put when you lay it out like this, and of course, this is coming from Apple's filing. It's kind of like, what were you thinking? But I mean, I also realize there's two sides to every story. But anyways, the lawsuit names former iPhone engineer Chang Liu, who discovered after leaving the company that his Apple issued laptop still had access to the company's internal servers.

4:14Apple says Liu then downloaded a bunch of files, presentations, design details, that sort of stuff while already employed at OpenAI. Now, Apple did say that it tried to resolve the dispute privately back in February, chose to publicly file now because OpenAI never really responded to the original dispute. So maybe they were just trying to ignore it and it would go away. Not the case. Apple is seeking monetary damages, as well as an order requiring OpenAI to destroy proprietary materials and redesign its upcoming products as need be that might incorporate Apple technology. OpenAI, of course, is saying, quote, they have no interest in other companies' trade secrets.

5:03So OpenAI, maybe that's part of the reason why OpenAI didn't respond because they were like, well, we didn't do that. But I mean, this is quite a list of things to allege. So what are your thoughts on this? I mean, as this has been brewing over the weekend, this seems like a pretty big deal. Well, these are just allegations. Yes. But Jason, if these allegations are true, if Apple can prove this in court, it's going to cost open AI. I don't even want to say what the dollar amount is, because it'll probably amount to some kind of deal to where Apple just now has part of the company. This is that massive.

5:37they can't release these products you know under this this this this this could literally you know like say once again it's alleged this could you know i i don't want to say that apple is making all of this up but it's very possible that there's a lot of this that is this is this is not true but there's something allegations are true yeah and apple is a particularly litigious company so they tend to have their receipts apple is the company that went after people making podcasts way back in the day when you and I started podcasting because they didn't like the name podcast. And they literally were suing people cease and desist not to use the name until they decided better that, oh, you know what?

6:14Actually, that's a good thing for us. So this is that company. If this stuff is true, man, it literally changes the hardware landscape for OpenAI because they've got a bunch of stuff that Johnny Ive and the team has been working on that I don't know how they could release it if this stuff turns out to be true. And unless they say, well, Apple, how much do you want? Apple just says, I mean, literally, it's like, we'll open up the cash register. Apple, you just reach your hand in here and take out how much you think you should have. That's literally how bad this is, if the allegations are true. Yeah, again, circling back on that again, if the allegations are true.

6:48I mean, I can't imagine that there is no whatsoever no there to be found there. There's got to be, you know, for Apple of all companies to file a lawsuit like this, be pursuing it since February. They have extreme confidence that they're right. Clearly, that's why they're filing this. So there's probably some sort of there there, but I guess we'll find out to what degree. I mean, there's a lot on the line for OpenAI, right? Like you mentioned, Johnny Ive and the IO hardware company kind of merger acquisition, whatever you want to call that from a number of months ago. They've got, you know, OpenAI reportedly has plans to announce their first kind of official hardware.

7:33I know we talked like recently about an open AI, like keyboard partnership thing. That's not really the hardware product that we're expecting from open AI to happen. Supposedly supposed to announce this year release potentially next year, something like this comes along and even open AI is, you know, is, is acknowledging like this is, this has the potential to kind of push things a little further, potentially a lot further. I don't know. There's a lot of impact here. It pushes things a lot further. And here's the other part of this. We're just talking about OpenAI and Apple. But if this turns out to be true, other companies are going to say, oh, Apple, you know, or say, oh, OpenAI, that's how you roll.

8:15We're a little bit more skittish with working you than working with you than maybe what we were before. So there's all kind of tentacles from this. this is this is as bad as it can be because i would have to imagine that some of the evidence that apple may have would be actual apple employees who are looking to potentially go work at at open ai saying hey i i kind of was looking to you know maybe go to where the grass is greener but they're doing some scandalous stuff apple you may want to be you know uh take heed in this i wouldn't be shocked if there's at least one or two people who have done that who actually said hey wait a minute i was just looking to change companies i wasn't looking to to you know to still trade secrets.

8:52So once again, this is all alleged. We don't know that any of this is that has actually happened. It's all alleged. We'll have to go through court. But if it turns out to be true, this is absolutely devastating for open AI for potentially for years, because they they're very close to getting to release hardware. And I don't know how they do that. You know, if this stuff turns out to be true, because Apple is going to want to go over everything that they have with a fine tooth comb. You know, you mentioned the employees, you mentioned Apple employees and, and, you know, interesting little tidbit that I came across is that open AI has hired more than 400 former Apple employees.

9:31You know, probably, you know, I don't know what that number is exactly, but quite a few, so much so that Apple has had to rebuild at least parts of how it does its iPhone product design inside of the organization. So, So it's not just the integrity of a person coming in potentially from Apple and saying, God, do I want to work with a company that might actually do this sort of thing? It's also about like, if I'm an Apple employee and OpenAI is courting me, whether OpenAI asked me for any of this stuff or not, I know now going in that the scrutiny is going to be so high. As an Apple employee, am I okay?

10:09You know, even if you've got nothing to hide, suddenly you're stepping into a fire. And are you OK with that? And that could I mean, based on more than 400 former Apple employees like, you know, granted, they're they're hiring from all over the place. But that has serious impact on the recruiting pipeline as well. And not only that, potential employees from anywhere are saying if this turns out to be true, because like I said, these are all allegations this way. If it turns out to be true, is that the kind of company I want to go work for? yeah because essentially what this is with this it's like you do took a laptop allegedly that still had access and was just downloading design let's go let's just get what we can get it's like you know what hey when you interview bring bring some of the hardware you've been working on let's do a show and tell once again this is alleged but we just we just want to see the proprietary stuff that you're working on you know like we're not going to use it we just want to see what you guys are doing don't worry this is as bad as it gets um like it says trademark uh you know or you know trade secrets have been sold we didn't get into espionage or anything like that so i guess it could be worse but it's this is like i said this if it turns out to be true this is not good in any form or fashion because hardware plays that that open ai has been working on now for some time they all get squashed and have to be gone over with a fine-tooth comb you have it's not about we didn't do it we have to prove the stuff that we worked on does not have this stuff in here that's what it could become for them and that pushes them out and you know we're saying sometime i'm thinking it pushes them out you know years potentially so at a time when ai more yeah and and everything happening in ai is um progressing and moving so fast so you don't want to have that hindrance of release time and everything.

11:57Just to kind of wrap this up, Altman did say on X, by the way, if you're wondering, he is, quote, not afraid of Apple. So there you go. What else is he going to say? I know, right. You can either say, no, we didn't do it, or yes, we did. Those are really the only options. There's like no gray areas at this point before they get to court. This will be one I'm certain that we'll be talking about many, many more days as this goes through court. Yep. DTNs is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to all of you. And we've got a lot of folks to thank today. So let's start with our existing patrons, Ian Smart, Erwin Stir, Ken Hayes, and Phillip Shane.

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16:04All right, there is a whole lot more to get to today, so let's get into the briefs. so new counterpoint research shows that global smartphone shipments fell 11 year over year in the second quarter of 2026 its weakest second quarter dating back to 2013 worldwide shipments of smartphones also fell four percent year over year according to a separate report by omdia but all is not lost counterpoint said apple grew shipments of the iphone three percent year over year with a record 20 of global shipments in fact it's apple's second biggest quarter showing for iPhone on record. Samsung posted the strongest year over year growth among the big five smartphone makers and still reigns as the market leader at 24 percent share, growing by two percent, according to the Omnia report.

16:48Yeah. And the interesting is that Apple didn't raise the price of the iPhone and yet still doing as strong as they are right at a time when everyone else, I mean, everyone else is raising the prices of their smartphones. Apple didn't and yet still just cruising along and kind of breaking their own records pretty kind of kind of kind of they're doing well because like the numbers are not insignificantly down they're they're down you know you know pretty good and for them to to actually still be growing same thing for samsung to still be growing for companies that are the size that they are and are growing that is definitely a good thing for them but um you say that the iphone prices have not been raised i just like to throw in so far yet yet no absolutely i totally agree i think it's coming yeah i think it's i think they have to they're gonna have to do something on it because like they one of the things apple can do is they've they've ultimately over time they have really made a lot of margin on the memory upgrades like if you wanted to go from 64 to 128 or to 256 that costs a lot a lot more than what the memory costs so they've been able to bake some of this and eat some of this and i think that That's what they're doing now on devices.

17:57But as they start to manufacture new hardware, that'll be a question. Can they hold the prices that we've seen for the last couple of years? If I were a betting man, I don't know that I bet on this one. I wouldn't bet on this one either. I really do think that Apple's choice here. And again, this is pure speculation. But my guess is that Apple's choice was to be like, you know what? We could weather this for a while on our most important key product to kind of keep the ball rolling. once the new hardware comes, we might have to have a little bit of a reckoning. Maybe it's $100 bump here. I mean, we're not going to have to wait very long to find out the answer of this as well.

18:31But another aspect of this too is that Apple doesn't really dabble in the lower end the way some of those other competitors do. Samsung certainly does, but you got your Oppo, your Xiaomi, your Vivo, all dabbling in that low end, which is really undergoing a very pivotal moment in the kind of shadow of this memory price thing that's happening right now. Those margins are. We're already slim before. Yeah, those devices don't make those companies a lot of money. They are just, you have a device that says Samsung on it. You have a device that says Apple on it. You just have a A.B. A.L.O.R.E. device, but they don't make a lot of money on them.

19:07They make the money on the higher-end devices. So that is a benefit that Apple has. But still, I'm still, like I said, if I were a betting man, we don't know yet. But I guess when they have new devices out, you're probably going to see at least a bit of a price hike on. I think you're right. I agree. And I'm not a betting man. I don't bet. But, you know, if in an alternate universe, Jason bet, I suppose so. Around 200 economists and tech leaders have signed a we must act now letter encouraging policymakers to better understand, understand, yes, but also address its warnings that AI could reshape the economy in very dramatic ways.

19:47And they're saying faster than like the industrial revolution. The letter references, quote, risks that include large scale job displacement, as well as opportunities such as major gains in living standards, end quote. So a little bit of the both sides thing. The letter There is more of an encouragement for economists, for policymakers, for leaders to of these companies to better understand the moment without including any specific policy recommendations. So they're not saying this is what we think you should do other than come on. You know, this is just another kind of encouragement to kind of pump the brakes a little bit and wrap your minds around it before we move forward.

20:28Also, I found a kind of somewhat related article on a Verisite survey of nearly 1700 U.S. adults. And that survey finds that 69 percent of those in the survey support compelling AI companies to transfer 50 percent of their stock into a public sovereign wealth fund that would feed back into the community. You know, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders had proposed the American AI Sovereign Wealth Fund to do just that last month. So just a few different angles on the, oh, shoot, AI is coming and it's changing everything. We got to act now side of the side of the discussion, I guess. So over the last, I don't know, probably six months or so, I've been doing like reading on the Industrial Revolution and things like the Luddite Rebellion and stuff like that.

21:20textile workers just just trying to see the parallels and there are a lot it's like you know i think we always say that you know when there's a new thing that comes out in this case ai it's going to disrupt and and it does but i think for other things it has been one industry that was affected at the time with ai it's kind of like all the industries are affected at the same time and the amount of potential people that could potentially be displaced is is literally orders of magnitude more than what any of those other, you know, big shifts in like, usually it was just in manufacturing, people came out of the fields and went into factories.

21:56That was that that's the closest thing you can get to, because it was literally like a 20 year thing to where just the way that America worked and really, you know, you know, Western, you know, the Western world work was just different people worked in factories now, not so much on farms. This is reminiscent to that. I mean, we're kind of in it. We're seeing what we're going through, but there's a lot of concern. So as this, these folks are not saying you need to do this, you need to do that. They are saying you need to be aware of what potentially could happen if these things that we're predicting may actually come to fruition.

22:30It could be massive job displacement. You're talking about, you know, just enormous amounts of people in the middle class that have the kind of jobs that generally would be affected by AI could be affected by AI. And there's so many different ramifications that come from that. So I just, I think they're saying, Hey, stuff is happening. Um, you were already in it. We're already seeing some of these signs. So you need to be aware and potentially think about policy that you want to put in place to stem off what potentially could happen if things go is, you know, like, like some, you know, some economists are actually predicting.

23:01Yeah. And I, and I respect the letter, um, for, for the fact that it wasn't all about doom and gloom. It wasn't as coming, the world's going to hell in a hand basket basket. Everything's on fire. This is horrible. Get out. It also kind of took time to point out that there are aspects of where we are and where this is going that that could and will likely be beneficial to some degree, you know, making workers more productive, improving living standards, potentially, although, you know, you probably argue both ways on that. But nonetheless, this heavily disruptive change. And like you said, with the Industrial Revolution and, you know, revolutions of the past, massive changes happened.

23:45It hasn't it hasn't potentially happened at the speed and rate at which it seems things are, you know, that people are are concerned about right now. And that, I think, is a big part of that that letter as well. Yeah. And the letter doesn't spell this out. But one of the things that has happened is like when you do look at all of these things, we generally are better off today than we were yesterday when it comes to all of these revolutions, not every single one of them, but most of them. So the hope is there. We will find our way with AI, but we definitely need to be aware of it just because of how massive the scale is that could be affected if it does start to at first affect people one way or the other.

24:27As it says, there will definitely be positive benefits. We've seen those. There will be negative benefits. We've seen those, but just how many more do we see and how quickly do they come? That's the question that they think that governments need to prepare for. Indeed. So thanks to RWNash in the subreddit, the European Union is moving toward on legally banning children under 13 from using social media unless a parent or caregiver supervises their access. EU President Ursula von der Leyen said that they're considering a harmonized EUI delay to social media with gradual access granted once children turn 13 years old.

25:04von der leyen said this said quote this is not about whether children can access social media it's about whether and when social media can access our children end quote the access would only be given or should they the access would only be driven by an age verification app that uses official id when also aiming to keep data anonymous the commission is working on a formal proposal which is likely to be unveiled later this year so they're getting pretty serious about this they don't want you if you're under 13 they're not saying you can't use it they're just saying that your parents have to control it.

25:35And this is kind of the way that the world is going. We've talked about this on previous shows. It feels like what is happening to social media is what happens to cigarettes. It's like, okay, we truly understand that this is not good for young people. It's not good for old people, but it's definitely not good for young people. So we're going to put rules and laws in place that are going to simply just protect them. We've tried to allow the companies to do it on their own. They haven't done it to the level we've needed them to. So we are now going to start to regulate you. And this just seems to be where we're going.

26:06I think you're going to see more and more governments start to do this. Oh, my even in that article that we're referencing on nine to five Mac, you know, they have a list of all the places right now that are already also imposing similar things. And in some places, it's actually a lot more stringent. Australia, the UK, they're imposing a 16 and up requirement, you know, and so this is going a little bit earlier. Sure. 13. It's kind of like a PG 13 rating, although the MPAA probably wouldn't appreciate me saying that. But yeah, I agree with you. It really does seem like the tide is changing on this.

26:40I'm curious how this is going to impact similar view on AI tools as well. Like when I read this and I go, okay, social media, like we've, we've been living the social media moment for a long time. And we're just now kind of getting to this point to where we're like, yeah, maybe this isn't very good for young children's minds and everything like that. But I also know that a lot of these tools, these AI tools, you know, the same, same users are getting very curious about that too. And I know from my own use and experience with AI tools, the more I use it, the more I want to use it. And so I'm recognizing a little bit of like a shared pattern here.

27:15And I'm like, OK, so how long before this starts to happen there, too? I wouldn't be surprised. I think one of the differences will be with with AI, because you're absolutely right. There's a lot of young folks who are using it and they're going to use it in a lot of ways. But I think the cost of it is going to be it's going to become cross prohibitive for very, very young folks to use. It's like this now, you know, these accounts, they just you've got to pay for them. We've proven how useful they are. If you want to continue to use them, you need to give us money. And I think that that's going to police a lot.

27:45Whereas in social media, it's not that way. social media we want you to use it no if you really want to pay as you can in certain places like the European Union if you want to pay if you want to pay for if you want to pay what we'll take the buddy but we really want you to just use it because if if you're not paying us then you're not a customer you're the product and then we can make money off of you ad nauseum and that and that's really why we're here because they've been making money ad nauseum off of children on top of the fact that it's not safe for them so they're saying no we gotta you know we love for babies, we need to make sure they're okay.

28:18So we're going to start putting some caps on just how and how often they're able to use it or even if they're able to use it at all. Yep. Yep. Interesting stuff. So folks, we've got new patron perks here. We've got new benefits, including inclusive ways to find out what's going on behind the scenes and even have a voice in the show. And from now until July 31st, if you see the code experiment or use the code experiment, new patrons will get 26 % off their first place. That includes both monthly and yearly patrons. So check out the new tiers at patreon.com forward slash DTNS.

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30:00All right, now some quick headlines that are good to know might make you look smarter in the future. Sure. Is that time again? Anthropic extended free access to its Claude Fable 5 model through July 19th. That's this coming Sunday. It's second extension in a week. And yes, Anthropic plans to move to prepaid credits at that point. Or so they say right now until they get to the next deadline and then they extend it again. And then they say that they'll move. Yeah. OK, this could go on forever. Yeah. I'll be curious. See if they stick to it. But Anthropic and OpenAI are also in discussions with the White House to crack down on model distillation by Chinese labs.

30:36Some researchers, though, like Nathan Lambert, are warning that this could restrict open weight models altogether. And that would keep it in a second class category. They're they're cautioning anyways, when compared to more costly frontier models. It's like you get you get A-list actors and now you get B-list actors. And we're just going to move that over to the platform.

31:25Mm-hmm. Instagram accounts. And I can't say that I'm too disappointed about that. I would have never guessed, Jason, that they would have had to backtrack on this one. Yeah, totally. Would have never guessed it. SK Hynek's CEO Kwok No Jung told Reuters that memory chip industry is heading for its worst ever supply shortage in 2027 and expects customer demand to exceed the company's production capacity beyond 2030. So Ramageddon ain't going nowhere anytime soon. Oh, boy. Four years. I mean, he's not the only one saying these things, but perhaps the latest. But apparently none of that stop an Apple from engineering the M7 Ultra to support up to 1.5 terabytes of unified memory.

32:08That's double the M5 Ultra coming later this year. This, according to Mark Gurman at Bloomberg. Thank you, by the way, to RWNash for flagging this in subreddit. That's pretty cool, but where are you going to get 1.5 terabytes of memory? It's like you can't get it. But you can't. What you're just talking about. But you can't. OpenAI head of safety Johannes Heideki is leaving the company after a reorg that folds the safety team back into research. The second time in two years, OpenAI has merged the two. And then finally, finally, Waze is adding a new motorcycle mode. For those of you riding around and motorcycles want to use Waze inside of the app, it can factor in shortcuts and hazards specific to that motorcycle use.

32:51There's also a less chatty toggle. That's what it's called. Less chatty. to cut down on voice prompts. All right, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today, Bill R. has a recommendation in response to Wynn and Dr. Nikki's discussion of digital detox on technical tea last week. Yeah, technical tea is one of the experiment shows that we had launched last week. So Bill R. writes, good episode. I'd like to pass on some information here that my wife stumbled upon and that could help people that don't quite want to get a digital detox phone, but still would like to have some kind of service that can force you to not use social media or certain apps.

33:31Let me introduce you to Brick. I'm not an employee or a spokesperson, just a customer. Brick is an app that you would install on your phone that will forcibly block you from using applications and even websites. You can either allow certain apps or block certain apps. When you want to unlock your phone, you just have to use an NFC contact on a plastic doodad that they sell you. You can stick it to your fridge or wherever you would like. Now, anyone out there might say, if I get annoyed by it, I can just unlock it myself. While this is true, it's putting another step in between you and getting back to your apps by forcing you to walk through whatever this plastic doodad thingy is.

34:03In an emergency, you can unlock it from an app itself, but you only get five of them. And after that, you have to contact the company to get more. But Bill, I could just uninstall the app. Well, the option to install the app as a as basically you can install the app as an administrator to prevent yourself from doing that. So you can pretty much lock your phone down pretty good with this is basically what Bill is telling us. So the idea would be I'm trying like I'm trying to understand this. So I have the little puck thing on my fridge. I'm in my living room. I'm working and I want to like lock my or my phone is locked.

34:37If I want to unlock it, I have to get up, go to the fridge, tap the thing, and then it would unlock it. Am I following this correctly? Not so much lock the phone, but lock certain applications. So let's say that you're down in your office and you're working and you want to get on X or you want to get on threads or whatever. For those apps, you'd have to get up, go to your fridge or wherever your doodad is. I like how Bill describes it. It is a doodad thingy. But that little thing that basically has an NFC tag in it, you go tap it. That unlocks it for, I would imagine, a certain amount of time and you can now use the app.

35:09So there's friction there. You've got to physically get up and go do stuff and Jason I know this man There's times when I have to go to the bathroom don't feel like getting up to go So I'll just kind of sit there and wait until I can't so if I have to get up to go unlock my phone There is a good chance that the thing I wanted to do on it in that fleeting moment Well, yeah, the meet the moment was fleeting So a few moments later, I'm just back to doing whatever it was I was doing and it will decrease the amount of time that I'm on it So this is the type of thing that would work for me as long as I do have something that will unlock my phone So this brick, I don't know that I would have it on my refrigerator all the way upstairs on the other side of the house.

35:44It might be around the corner on the other side of the basement, but it would require me to physically get up to go do something in order to use social media. So this might be something I personally have to check out. I also appreciate the branding of brick, you know, like bricking your phone. Oh, my phone is brick. They got to get a new one. It doesn't work anymore. I like that. Let's reframe the brick. Yeah. So Bill R., thank you for letting us know about this one. And you can find out more about it over at getbrick.com. I'm probably going to go check that out. My dad going. So, folks, we love to know what you're thinking about.

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