Apple Sues Top Leaker - DTNSB 5063

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3:17Huyen Tue Dao: Apple is suing the host of the YouTube channel FrontPage Tech, John Prosser, as well as Michael Ramachiodi in the U.S. District Court in the Northern District of California for misappropriation of trade secrets and violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Specifically, Apple says the two people, quote, conspired to break into an Apple employee's development iPhone to take Apple's trade secrets. According to Apple, Ramachiodi was staying with a friend named Ethan Lipnick who worked on software designs at Apple. And he got Lipnick's access code, probably looked over his shoulder or something, who knows, and was able to get into a development iPhone that had development software on it.

4:01Huyen Tue Dao: And then Ramachodi used a location tracking tool to make sure that Lipnick was far from home at a time when he thought he'd be out for a while, then made a FaceTime call to John Prosser where he allegedly showed off an early version of designs of what we now know as iOS 26. Apple contends that Prosser captured the screens and then had others make mockups based on them. And the reason you do that instead of just showing the screens is that can hide the origin of the video. Apple uses identifiers in development software to help identify sources of leaks like this. However, apparently they left in views of Lipnick's apartment and some of those mock-ups.

4:45Huyen Tue Dao: And somebody recognized it and told Lipnick about it after Prosser published the videos using those mock-ups. He started with one about the camera in January that was partially accurate and maybe things changed between January and the summer, but kept publishing things through April, showing things like the messages app, some of the liquid glass design that ended up being very close to what was shipped. Apple says an anonymous tip informed it of the leak and it subsequently fired Lipnick for failing to protect confidential information and failing to disclose the leak. So whoever told Lipnick, I saw your apartment, might have also told Apple.

5:21Huyen Tue Dao: We don't know. In the court case, oh, and fired Lipnick. Apple says it also has a voice note from Ramachiodi apologizing to Lipnick and blaming Prosser. Apple claims Prosser promised to pay Ramachiodi for the information. How they got a hold of that voice message, we don't know. In the court case, Apple asked for an injunction directing Prosser and Ramachiodi not to make, use, or disclose Apple's confidential proprietary and trade secret information to third parties without written consent. I'm guessing they won't get any written consent. And to destroy any such material that they possess, the company is also seeking damages and is requesting a jury trial.

6:00Huyen Tue Dao: Because there was other stuff on that development phone. They don't know what else was accessed. On X, Prosser wrote, This is not how things went down on my end. Looking forward to being able to speak to Apple about it. For the record, I certainly did not plot to access anyone's phone and was unaware of the situation playing out. Now, in these cases, usually your lawyer tells you don't say anything at all. But what Prosser seems to be saying is, I was not aware. I didn't plan anything, so you can't get me on conspiracy. and I didn't know any of this was going on. I just received information. It's probably going to be what his defense would be if this does go to jury trial.

6:41Huyen Tue Dao: Gwen, you're a developer, so does this strike too close to home? What do you think? It really does. And specifically, like I worked at some larger companies in the last like 10 years, and it is very specific. in when you sign a work agreement, especially a company like this, where, you know, it is of interest to people what you're working on, especially ahead of time, you sign a lot, you agree to many, many statements about not only not yourself leaking information, but also making sure that you do your dangdest to prevent that from happening, securing materials. And also that you, yes, you acknowledge that if you are aware of something like this happening, you need to inform the right person as soon as possible.

7:31That's your responsibility. So it is, and it's really funny because I usually like sign these things thinking, well, I mean, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't know if that'll ever happen to me. You know, it's kind of like, oh yeah, yeah, sure. Legal, blah, blah, blah, blah. I wouldn't, yeah. Who would ever want to know what I work on at work? and to see it play out so spec i so so intricately and so specifically is actually fascinating to me because like oh okay so this is this is what they're talking about when i assign those things to to go to work and this is what they mean when you know when you they say hey like don't just leave your your work stuff just hanging out where someone could see it because i mean i think like i don't know just as a regular dev i'm usually not necessarily working on things of so much interest, but okay, it happens.

8:19And I think it's just, it's just incredible to see, okay, there's a reason why these legalese exist. So that's my, my, my first impression is like,

8:27Huyen Tue Dao: okay. Yeah. It's, it's a bit, I mean, Apple is filing a court case, so it is to their advantage to make it sound as dramatic as possible. Yes, that's fair. But it does sound really dramatic. This sort of like scheming plan to make sure he was away and they put a tracker on him. It makes it sound like they fired a dart out of it or something. I'm guessing that they just had Find My iPhone. Like I have some friends that we have Find My's. So maybe it was just that or something like that. It probably wasn't quite that devious. But if true, it does describe a betrayal of a friendship, right? I'm sure Lipnick just thought like, oh, my friend's staying with me.

9:03Huyen Tue Dao: I don't have to worry about him. And he might have needed to worry about him. Yeah, that's actually the most upsetting part to me. Like someone who's familiar enough to stay at your house and then they totally betray your trust. And not only that, I don't understand how you – okay, I'm still trying to understand how the apartment ended up in the mock-ups. You know what I mean? I think if I understand it right, Ramachodi made the FaceTime call to Prosser from that apartment, from Lipnick's apartment. Okay. And then in the screenshots, the apartment was in the background. Okay. And maybe when they were showing the camera or something, there was a piece of furniture and they kept that in the mock-up.

9:43Huyen Tue Dao: Is my guess something like that, maybe? I don't know. Okay. Yes. That's... Okay. I was expecting, you know, to hear that, you know, someone else came down from the ceiling, you know, like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible. Sure. Yeah. Or maybe they slipped something in Lipnick's coffee like they did to – I forget the name of the poor gentleman in the first movie that they sent out to Alaska. Oh, and got it to go to the emergency room? Yeah, emergency room. Yeah, something like that. But no, I mean it's just kind of funny. It's both mundane in that that's very unfortunate that you're taking advantage of your friend because of where they work.

10:18But also there's like a weird, interesting mundanity in like, oh, wow, you can't actually track someone without their knowledge fairly easily. and steal information relatively easily like access code he just presumably yeah he didn't hack it quote unquote or anything he just saw it um it's just it's so interesting because also and this kind of shows that a lot of times with technology unfortunately um the the failing point um is human beings um because i actually got frightened like oh you guys use identifiers in the software to track who has what that's pretty that's pretty cool like from from like a oh, that makes a lot of sense.

10:56But the fact that it is, and I think that's why companies are aware that, again, the human element is when these things happen. So yes, I mean, I don't know if they're like, yeah, dude, sorry. After you learned that your friend kind of, you know, did a dirty on you, you should have just reported it to the office and maybe that could have saved you.

11:16Huyen Tue Dao: If there is any blame on Lipnick, and again, if Apple's allegations are true, That would be the one thing Lipnick should have done. Otherwise, it does feel like he is the victim in most of this. I mean, the other thing he should have done, this is not a legal thing. And certainly, I totally understand this. Like, I bet Lipnick had told himself, you know, I really need to make the passcode a little more complicated. I should get around to doing that. Because if it had been complicated enough, maybe it would have been harder to guess. or I don't know, maybe it was really complicated and Ramachodi was just good at memorizing things.

11:55Huyen Tue Dao: It definitely reminds me of a couple situations. I used to live in a condo in Oakland next door to a designer for Apple. And I didn't really spend a lot of time in his house or anything, but I remember when I was working at CNET feeling terrified talking to him if work ever came up that I was going to compromise him somehow. You know, I didn't want to accidentally trick him into telling me something that I shouldn't know. So I get the perilous situation they're in. And the other thing is my sister-in-law works for Apple. She's not in any of the areas that would really interest me. But, you know, we just don't talk about it.

12:37Huyen Tue Dao: And her husband works for The Verge. Yes. So, you know, that's something where they have to have, you know, strict limits. And he, to his credit, has recused himself from doing any reporting on Apple because of that. But, you know, there's, you have to take these kinds of things that may seem a little exaggerated, because if you don't, there's these edge cases that could play out that that could be, you know, pretty serious. Okay, so let me ask you this as a journalist, because I think, you know, as just someone who works in tech, and especially seeing, as someone in tech, but also someone who does like, you know, what we do in Android Faithful.

13:17And it feels like half of what we talk about are leaks, you know, and I presume that at least some of these leaks fall under this kind of thing where you're actually someone is breaking an employment agreement somewhere, you know, so taking that aside. And if things went down, as Apple alleges, I don't know, do you have it? It just I don't even know where to start with this question. but I guess how do you feel about if things went down as Apple alleges how do you feel about this from I guess how information how the information was obtained like and how it was presented and and I don't know like I guess ignoring what you know Prosser it was good for Prosser legally now

13:57Huyen Tue Dao: but I don't know like what is your take on this yeah no it's a totally fair question uh because you look at what Mark Gurman does where he consistently gets very reliable information early out of Apple, and he never gets sued. Even when he wasn't at Bloomberg, he didn't get sued. He's very good at cultivating the sources, protecting the sources, and walking the line. And Ming-Chi Kuo is another one who generally gets his information from industry sources in the supply chain rather than directly from Apple. But same thing, you don't see Ming-Chi Kuo getting sued because he's very good at understanding that line.

14:30Huyen Tue Dao: John Prosser didn't understand that line, again, if all of this is true. And honestly, Apple doesn't sue if they don't have a reasonable suspicion that this is true. Apple doesn't sue about these things. They get upset. They may fire employees, but they almost never sue anyone. So you have to really cross over some ethical lines and legal lines for this sort of thing. On the process side of things, to get directly to your question. As a journalist, you have to protect your sources and you have to verify your sources and you shouldn't report on anything that was illegally obtained unless you're dealing with like extreme public interest, right?

15:14Huyen Tue Dao: I'm reporting on a dictator in a country and so I'm technically breaking the law, but the ethics say I'm doing more good than harm. early looks at liquid glass don't fall under that for me. So I think what Prosser is trying to say is like, I just got a leak from someone. It seemed reasonable that it was true. And I reported it. I didn't know where it was from. But as a journalist, you need to know. That is one of the questions you ask is, you know, is this true? How did you get it? Where did you get it? You have to know those things to know whether it's verifiable or not. And it sounds like either he didn't do that work or he turned a blind eye to something that he knew was illegal, which in a journalistic enterprise, which he's not, he's a YouTuber, but in a journalistic enterprise, I don't think an editor would allow that.

16:05Yeah, I just thought it was so interesting because again, it feels like, you know, as you said, there are a lot of people that have a lot of very, you know, reliable information. And again, just to get to the point that they're probably someone's breaking an employment contract somewhere. But as you said, this is normally not a big deal. It just happens. And the degree to which the importance of the information leak just never feels like something that actually threatens a, you know, a business or launch or anything. But yeah, it is surprising that this has gone to this level. I actually was kind of shocked, as you said, that Apple's doing.

16:38Huyen Tue Dao: If Lipik had knowingly showed it. Yes. It would make all the difference. As a journalist, I can say, like, look, this employee decided to risk his employment. And as long as eyes wide open, they know that. And I'll try to protect that source because I think this is an important story. That's a whole different situation. But this was not obtained in that way. It kind of makes me a little bit sad because I think, you know, and let me have it. How can I frisk? That's good for me. Like, you know, like I think in a lot of times, like, again, we see these things and we sign these things and we just kind of hope that, you know, I mean, like we're also regular.

17:13people right you know like we're just average people living our lives doing a job it just so happens that we do our job for x company fang company and you think okay yeah like it's no big deal like i'm not i'm i don't work for the cia i don't work for x company i can just leave my phone around with my friend and it should be fine working on the most secret project yeah why would anyone yeah why would anyone care but i again it just okay well just goes to show you that if you signed something, then maybe just regardless of who it is, be careful. Indeed. Okay. I want to go reread my agreement after this, I think, just to be sure.

17:52Huyen Tue Dao: Right. I get it. I get why you would kill that one. Well, DTNS is made possible by you, the listener. We want to take the time to thank Jeffrey Zilks, Alo, Adam L., and Tony Glass.

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21:21Huyen Tue Dao: There's more we need to talk about today. Let's get to the briefs. All right. Well, OpenAI is adding a new beta feature for subscribers to its Pro, Plus, and Team plans called ChatGPT Agent. The new feature combines the operator agent, which can control a computer, with the deep research function that can do an in-depth study. The agent uses a virtual machine to carry out its tasks. You have to authorize it to do things like access email or make purchases or take other consequential actions. You can interrupt the actions at any time, and it can be used to automate work tasks, schedule appointments, plan itineraries, and more.

21:59Pro users get 400 messages a month and plus, and team users get 40. Enterprise and education users will get access in the coming weeks.

22:07Huyen Tue Dao: You know what my biggest problem with this feature? I haven't gotten it yet. I really want to try this out. I think it's really interesting because it may get lost on some people. Like it's two things that already exist, deep researcher and operator. They could already operate things for you on your computer, but it's combining the two so that the operator is smarter. You know, like when you say create a travel itinerary, it can use the deep research to really get good information. You know, if you're like, I want to tour that coffee farm, you know, you can find the best one and all of that. So I think it's interesting to see how that plays out.

22:44Yeah, I think these two things are the most compelling things to me, both agentic AI in general, I think makes so much sense, as well as deep research. Because, again, things that a computer can do or just anything that is based in silicon is going to do a lot faster than a human being can do. So I really think this is super interesting and I would definitely try it.

23:03Huyen Tue Dao: I would love to try it, too. Because I pay for the plus service. So I keep going to my dropdown. I'm like, when is it coming? When is it coming? The U.S. House has passed the Genius Act. This is just a follow-up because we've been talking about this. The Genius Act is the one that sets rules about the use of stable coins in the United States. The bill was sent to the president, and I just checked. By the time you listen to this, it probably will have been signed into law, but it hasn't right this second. The regulations require stable coins to be backed by either one-to-one U.S. dollars or one-to-one other low-risk assets, and it defines what those are.

23:39Huyen Tue Dao: stable coins are used to make transactions between currencies faster and easier they're not a money making coin themselves they're a store of value that is reliable uh outside of the normal systems that are costlier and slower uh cryptocurrency firms already use these uh to store cash a lot of times if you cash out on like a coin base or something you can have your money stored in a stable coin but more traditional financial institutions would like to use them as well to reduce their cost of moving money around. But they were waiting for clarity on their legal status in the country because they're much more conservative about that sort of thing.

24:14Huyen Tue Dao: The House also sent two bills to the U.S. Senate for consideration. If you've been following this, you know one of them would ban the U.S. government from making its own digital currency, central bank digital currency. And the other would set regulations for other kinds of cryptocurrencies that aren't stable coins, including classifying cryptocurrencies as a commodity rather than a security. So now the Senate will debate those. Those might pass, but the Genius Act was almost certain to pass. The other two, a little less certain. Does genius stand for something? This is not really relevant. It's a backronym of some sort.

24:47Huyen Tue Dao: Okay. Yes, it stands for something. Okay, it's a backronym. That's all I need to know. Thank you. Sorry. All right. Well, Meta has declined to sign Europe's voluntary code of practice on AI. The code is meant to help companies stay in compliance with the EU's AI Act by engaging in certain kinds of transparency and reporting, not required by the laws, but is also meant to give companies legal protection from any alleged violations. Meta will now have to demonstrate its compliance in other ways and may receive more regulatory scrutiny as a result. Meta says the code introduces legal uncertainties and goes too far beyond the requirements of the AI Act.

25:27Huyen Tue Dao: So my translation of this is Metta's lawyers looked at the guidelines and said, well, we don't want to do that, that and that. And I don't think we're legally required to. And Metta's executive said, so if we don't follow this, it makes things better for us. And we can waste a bunch of the EU's time by making them give us more regulatory scrutiny. Great. Sounds like a deal.

25:55it's just like i this is just one of those like i i really do appreciate a lot like i appreciate the spirit in which we often talk about stories from the eu trying to regulate certain things and even as someone who really enjoys their job and enjoys tech and enjoys innovation i totally i i i would like a little more parental supervision at times this is just hilarious to me because i I think like in, I always think all this is like a balance of like, you know, understanding in the challenges to understand the technology enough to be like, okay, what do we need to actually regulate? And how can we deal with that?

26:28Oh, as always, the big thing is do not stifle innovation. But then it comes around to this where it's like, okay, we're just going to like, I'm trying to think of a polite word to say this, just like mess around for a while with the EU and waste money and people's time.

26:47Huyen Tue Dao: A couple of other quick ones here. Netflix reported that its revenue grew 16%. That beats analyst estimates. And Netflix projected higher than expected revenue for the next quarter, partly due to currency fluctuations. The weak dollar helps them, but also subscriber and ad growth. Netflix says it's on track to double its ad revenue this year, which it's coming from a small base, but that's still good. Netflix no longer reports subscriber numbers, but it did report that viewers watched 95 billion hours of content in the first half of the year with the show Adolescents, It's the most watched, followed by seasons two and three of Squid Game.

27:18Huyen Tue Dao: The company also projected higher content sales and marketing costs. In the earnings call, co-CEO Ted Sarandos said for the first time, Netflix used some AI models to make some special effects for the Argentine show The Eternat. Sarandos said the cost of it would just wouldn't have been feasible for a show in that budget. And he also said, or I'm sorry, the CFO said that they're not interested in buying a legacy network, which they usually say they're not interested in doing things a couple of years before they do them. So keep an eye on that. Tom, I do have to ask you something. Has anyone recommended to you K-pop Demon Hunters?

27:55Huyen Tue Dao: Oh, my yes. Multiple times. And we watched it shortly after it came out. And we're like, oh, that was fun. We did not expect the overwhelming popularity that it's gotten. It's crazy. I saw it and I was telling people it reminded me of a show like the title itself reminded me of a show I used to watch for a little bit on the USA Network when I was in high school called Tattoo Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills because it's just this weird munging of concepts. Yeah. And I've been surprised about how many of my friends, most of them with children. So that's how they kind of got into the show, have said, you have to watch this.

28:27Huyen Tue Dao: I'm like, well, same here. Like people who have no knowledge of K-pop are like, this show's great. I really enjoy it. I like the music too. Like it's an amazing confluence of like animation style and kind of the sort of high school musical appeal, I think, a little bit too. And yeah, it's interesting to watch. I think it was the – was it the student that did Into the Spider-Verse? I could be wrong about that. Yeah. But I thought that – I think that's right. So yeah. I mean, so yeah, if you like Into the Spider-Verse and you wanted more of that amazing animation, there you go. Yeah, yeah. All right.

28:58Well, to switch tacks a little bit, Russia's deputy head of the lower house parliament, Anton Goralkin, who oversees IT regulation, said that Meta should prepare to stop offering the WhatsApp service. Sorry, the WhatsApp service in the country. Russia designated Meta as an extremist organization and has already banned Facebook and Instagram in 2022. A list of banned services from, quote, unfriendly countries is set to be published on September 1st. Yeah.

29:25Huyen Tue Dao: And this clearly is part of a bunch of other stuff regarding the United States and Russia and Ukraine and all of that. But, you know, something something to keep an eye on. If you for some reason need to travel to Russia and you use WhatsApp, that's that's something to be aware of. Speaking of Ukraine, Estonia's 3Od systems posted an 87 % rise in its sales of unmanned aircraft in 2024. Ukraine regularly uses 3Od's drones for surveillance in its war. 3Od also develops electro-optical gimbals that can be mounted on multiple kinds of drones and used as sensors. 3Od is pursuing a sale as demand for its products increase dramatically with sales not only to Ukraine, but also seven NATO countries.

30:09Huyen Tue Dao: The Economist did an interesting story about the boom in technological advances in unmanned aerial vehicles in Ukraine because they had a bunch of startups doing this already. And then the needs of fighting the war have caused them to innovate on an accelerated timescale. Literally necessity invention. All right, well, DuckDuckGo is adding a setting to search that lets you filter out images made by image generators. In the image search section, choose the drop-down menu called AI Images and then choose Show or Hide. You can also turn it on in General Search by tapping the Hide AI-generated images option.

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30:54Huyen Tue Dao: And Windows Central noted a Microsoft support page change that says, and I'll read the whole thing, Microsoft no longer offers new entertainment content for purchase, including movies and TV shows on Microsoft.com, Microsoft Store on Windows, and the Microsoft Store on Xbox. However, you can continue to access your purchased content in the Movies and TV app on Xbox or Windows devices. Microsoft only sold movies and TV shows for Xbox and Windows. They never did it on mobile, and it stopped selling music in 2017. All right. Well, the Unicode Consortium announced the following new emojis coming to Unicode 17.0.

31:34Trombone, treasure chest, distorted face, fight cloud, apple core, orca, ballet dancers, and, quote, hairy creature. It's Bigfoot. It's Bigfoot or any other name. It's Bigfoot.

31:49Huyen Tue Dao: And everybody's mad that they didn't call it Bigfoot. but nobody's mad that they called it Fight Cloud when it kind of looks like an atom, frankly. It does. I don't know. It's one of those things where I think they have like a paella. They have paella in the emojis and they don't call it paella. They call it seafood something and it's very confusing. I think it's because they want to keep the descriptions as general as possible. That's a very standards organization thing to do, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just it's just and I like that the emoji, at least given in as given as example, at least by Engadget is that kind of like classic, you know, one the one video that someone has of a Bigfoot, which most people think is a dude in a suit anyway.

32:28I kind of like that small detail as well, that it's possibly just a man in a suit and that is now immortalized as an emoji emoji. By the way, Unicode 17.0 set to release September 9th.

32:41Huyen Tue Dao: All right, folks, you might not know this, but we have a live show separate from this show as well called DTNS Live. More casually, just stream live and talk about the stories of the day. You can catch it at 4 p.m. Eastern at YouTube.com slash Daily Tech News Show.

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33:32Huyen Tue Dao: Between dance, soccer, school events, and everything else kids have going on after school, Kleenex Snap & Go is easy to take along. It fits in backpacks, sports bags, or even in the car. So it's ready for whatever comes next. So do the best thing for your kids and teachers. Stock up on the ultimate classroom favorite. Maybe you'll even become the teacher's favorite parent. We still haven't settled who would be the favorite in our school. We haven't settled who the favorite brother is either. For whatever happens next, grab Kleenex. This episode is brought to you by Capital One. Capital One's tech team isn't just talking about multi-agentic AI.

34:05They already deployed one. It's called Chat Concierge and it's simplifying car shopping. Using self-reflection and layered reasoning with live API checks, it doesn't just help buyers find a car they love. It helps schedule a test drive, get pre-approved for financing, and estimate trade in value. Advanced, intuitive, and deployed. That's how they stack. That's technology at Capital One.

34:30We end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. Today, Michael is helping us understand.

34:37Huyen Tue Dao: Yeah, Michael writes, I was coding with ChatGPT and I spent five hours on installing Homebrew and other software to turn my PDF sheet music books into 300 DPI JPEGs, then AppleScript to load JPEGs sequentially into pages and resize them to eight and a half by 11. It took longer than I thought, but now it's amazing. Right-click on any PDF, and in seconds, a folder of JPEGs are created. I'm a trumpet player, but with AI and time, able to release my books as EPUBs. Enjoy your show as always. Michael, thank you for sharing this. That's pretty cool. That's wonderful. So this is the thing that actually makes me really happy about generative AI being able to empower people to do things like that independently.

35:24This is awesome. This is what I think the best, awesomest use case for the current generation of AI is enabling people like Michael to do, I don't know, just do their own thing. I love it. Yeah.

35:36Huyen Tue Dao: Michael might not have the money to pay someone to do this or might not know a friend who could do it or had the time to do it and now could do it themselves. That's so cool. All right. Well, what are you thinking about? Do you have some insight into a story? Please share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Thanks to Michael for contributing to today's show. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron at patreon.com slash DTNF.

36:12Huyen Tue Dao: This week's episodes of Daily Tech News Show briefing were created by the following people. Host, producer, and writer Tom Merritt. Host and writer Jason Howell. Co-host Rob Dunwood. Co-host Jen Cutter. Co-host Wen Tui Dao. Producer Anthony Lemos, Producer Roger Chang, Editor Hammond-Chamberlain, Editor Victor Bognat, Science Correspondent Dr. Nikki Ackermans, Social Media Producer and Moderator Zoe Detterdy, Our Mods, Beatmaster, WSkottis1, BioCal, Captain Kipper, Steve Waterama, Paul Reese, Matthew J. Stevens, a.k.a. Gadget Virtuoso, and J.D. Galloway. Modded video hosting by Dan Christensen.

36:44Huyen Tue Dao: Music provided by Martin Bell and Dan Luters. Art by Len Peralta. Acast ad support from Tatiana Matias. Patreon support from Bobby Wagner. Our guest this week was Andy Beach, and thanks to all our patrons who make the show possible.

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37:18Huyen Tue Dao: Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. I'm going to do that again because I bumped my mic.

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