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2:36This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, August 14th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context of all of it, and help each other understand. Today, a judge tells Google that those third-party app stores are too difficult to install from the Google Play Store. Too difficult. Make them easier. Too hard. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Windway Now. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. Yes, U.S. District Judge James Donato has given Google one week to remove some of what he called barriers that are making rival Android app stores harder to both find and install inside of the Google Play Store.

3:17Google officially started showing third-party app stores inside of Google Play. Well, we saw the first one earlier this week. Through a dedicated landing page inside of the app, first app store to appear inside of the app, it's like Inception, was Aptoid Games. But the way to get to those app store listings inside of the app store required either a direct link or a specific search query to locate them. And Judge Donato doesn't like the friction of the process. He shared that searches like store for apps still didn't pull back those stores in search. In fact, Epic's lawyer, Jonathan Evan, ran that search and instead of getting third party app stores, ended up getting a result for Walmart.

4:08So the search was store for apps, and then you get a Walmart result in return, which is a little weird. Donato said that, quote, every possible variation that's even only 70 % properly phrased, end quote, should return store results. That makes a lot of sense to me. And that they should be presented just like standard apps with an install button in results instead of a view button that still required someone to click through one more time to install them, right? Google argued that the added step actually protects users. But Donato said it was actually just kind of an example of anti-competitive friction.

4:51Donato has given Google until August 20th to make the appropriate changes. Google says it will address it. 20th, you know, it's basically seven days away. So it's kind of like one of those situations of like, all right, you told us to make sure that these third party app stores are in our app store. We did that. But, you know, did you say how easy it had to be to find it? I mean, maybe somewhere in the details it actually did spell this out, but kind of seems to me like, I don't know that I necessarily believe that Google was like, we're going to make this really, really hard to find, but they probably didn't go above and beyond to make it easy to find.

5:27That's where I'm at. I actually – this is not really fair, but I thought it was funny because I was thinking about when I'm visiting my sister and her kids and we're like, hey, we're going to go to the store and my niece doesn't want to go. And eventually we convince her to go to the store, but then she refuses to put her shoes on or something like that. But that's not really fair. But I agree with you. It's probably more like – and I've been at companies like this where we have something I think I remember a little bit GDPR days where I think there is levels of meeting a legal requirement or a legal ruling.

5:54and it i mean to be fair like you probably just want to do what you want to fall you want to not get in trouble you want to do the thing but there is a level of let's make this the best experience possible that may or may not be there gdpr actually we really did try really hard but i could see with this that they were like well it's there uh and to be fair i did try i remember for android faithful i did try to install aptoid and i did get confused i really i did get confused for a minute because Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. Oh, no. Even just typing in Aptoid, you don't see the Aptoid store, at least when I did it Tuesday for our show.

6:27Yeah. When you type in Aptoid, it does show a tiny little message box that says something about third-party stores. Go to the store page. But then the actual Aptoid store doesn't show up in the results for literally Aptoid. Yeah. Now, it does now. It does now. Maybe that's a change. Okay. Aptoid, and it has this big kind of like bolded call out up at the top where it says looking for Aptoid games. If you're looking for app stores, you need to go to the third-party app store page. Read more. Go to page. It is a little more clear, but it's still confusing because I'm like, well, why can't I just go to this page?

7:08Because if you look at your results, you have Aptoid wallet, which I assume is associated Aptoid Dice Pro SDK. So you're showing me other Aptoid things. Why isn't the Aptoid store in there too? Yeah. Well, and this is another part of what Judge Donato was talking about. So go to page. First of all, there's a separate page for the third-party app store. Go to page. Then it takes you here. Right now, there's only one thing listed there. I'm kind of surprised that other app stores haven't gotten in on this, but Aptoid winning on the notability front because they're the one that's there. But what you see here is a view button.

7:41And another part of what Donato is saying is this is a point of friction. In order for me to install it, I now have to tap into view and install. And I'm sure you know as a developer, you know, probably better than I do, that every single point of, like, confirmation and click to get to the next step is another point of attrition. Somebody's going to drop off and, you know. And actually, now that I think about it, I'm doing this in real time. So, folks, if you get the video version, then you're seeing more. But like, do we have on these listings, like what I'm looking for is an install button like right away.

8:18And I guess I'm not seeing that, you know? No. Even if in the regular search results, if you click on each, like if you do the regular search and you get the regular results, you go right to the details page. It's like one, two clicks to install. This is one, hold on, search one, two, three. And I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe it does. and I've definitely been at places where we say refactored identity or login you know people do not put up with a lot of the way that software companies have to do login where we're trying to integrate Apple and Google and our own thing and I've definitely been in places where we're trying to settle all that.

8:55When you end up with five steps for a user, they get real mad real fast especially for something that normally doesn't have as much friction so I definitely agree I think you could argue that Google has a point in that because these are other stores, having it be not called out and just being a regular app next to other apps might be confusing. And it is a little interesting because you open up this app and it's like, oh my God, it's like a whole other store. There's not like a, hello, welcome to this. There's not like a greeter at the store, right? To let you know, hey, you've arrived at a new store.

9:26It just is another app. So there is probably a valid point in that it's a little bit different. It's a little confusing. Sure, maybe you could argue protection for users because they're going to go into a place where specifically you could be spending money. But I do agree that this is way too much friction. I think the most A student, yes, I follow all the rules way of doing this, would have been to have something on the homepage or just somewhere a little more clear because either intentionally or just going by the letter of the law, it is very frictionful. I'm going to play devil's advocate.

10:02Okay. Because you open up the Play Store, you've got your apps, you've got your games. Sure, they have a suggested for you section. They've got top charts and everything. So what are we saying here? That they should have an extra thing here that says third-party app stores or something. You know what I mean? That's one thing. And then the other thing that Donato is talking about is the install button right from the listing, which if I go to the third-party app store, it shows this. It says view. this is what he's talking about. Like I should just be able to tap that and install it. But as we've been talking, I've been kind of going through the interface and looking for any other example of that.

10:42And all of these things require you to go into the app store page, or sorry, the app page in order to install it. So this would be like the only way in which that goes counter to what has been done forever on the Play Store. But anyway, so that's the devil's advocate side. I mean, do I think, and at the end of the day also, like, do we really think this is going to really change things a whole lot for Google and Play Store? Like, just because these app stores are in there? Like, I realize Google's, you know, was dragged kicking his streaming to have to do this as Apple has been too. But at the end of the day, I think most people just, they probably aren't going to install these anyways.

11:25You know, it probably doesn't matter a whole lot. I think that's fair. So one thing that he might be referring to is like, if you go to like the play pass home page where they have like recommended like games of the week there is a direct install button on those but that is a different case from what you are talking about absolutely is that there is so i i agree with you though that might be that might be a mungering though because i agree with you normally you just go and maybe that's what i was that's more what i was referring to is that you still have to go to the app store page which is fine that's that's that's like that's that that's the path that people are used to i and honestly i do think that this really is important i do think it was good that they went through this rigmarole do i actually think people are just going to be pouring into third-party app stores probably not probably not probably not i think that there is going to be like segments of the population gamers i mean i'm not and this is obviously aptoid uh we've talked about this aptoid is a game store i do think that there are populations that are interested in this and would go here like gamers for specific games or specific communities that makes sense the vast vast majority of play store people?

12:27No. Just not. I think, as you said, friction is a thing. The most friction is the same for people. Unfortunately, this is just how people interacting with software works. They're going to go to the thing that's pre-installed. And then that's why also there are people that are attacking Google on the default search thing. Because this is a known behavior, I totally agree. I think this is a good step. This is going to revolutionize things. I doubt it. Yeah. Agreed. All right. Well, you know what? We really appreciate you for listening to us pontificate on the future of app stores. And we just appreciate you in general because you, the listener, make DTS possible.

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17:03Apple wants to charge U.S. developers 15 % for standard apps, 10 % for certain partner programs and subscription renewals, and 5 % for small business program apps. Apple's proposal goes to Judge Yvonne Gonzalez-Rogers, and the court will decide what fee, if any, Apple can charge for those external transactions. Apple also acknowledged that under the Ninth Court's definition of costs that are necessary to support web linkouts, it would charge effectively 0 % for those purchases. That means those proposed commissions wouldn't be intended to recover costs, but to potentially pay for the broader value of its App Store tools, tech, and services.

17:43Epic Games says those proposed fees exceed what the appeals court allows and plans to file its opposition within 60 days. Yeah, so 0 % link-out cost compared to an earlier 27 % or something link-out fee. Oh, the link-out fee, yeah, yeah. Yeah, pretty excessive by comparison. Something lower, obviously better, low enough, I guess we'll find out. What are those tools? So when Apple says, and by the way, we got to charge because we offer these other things, what is that? Like customer support? through probably discovery through the through the app store um i'm not just being there is is uh is a bonus i guess for the apps because they're represented um i i don't know the app store anymore but going off by what i know of like google play there's probably things for like marketing where you can create campaigns and then see how those campaigns are doing um even things like just metrics i'm on like all kinds of metrics about how an app is doing how much has been down in the last month, like kind of things like conversion and engagement.

18:48So there's probably a lot of like tools that help you analyze and detect things and also probably helping with rollouts. Like even just the process of like, how do I upload an app? How do I manage betas? How do I do all this and do that? So there's a bit of stuff there. So to be fair, all of that, and I presume like the Google Play Store, the App Store folks, people that actually build the App Store are probably always doing things to either improve or add new functionality to help out publishers and developers. So to be fair, that is not free. And maintenance of that is not free. So I think that there is validity in that.

19:25I don't know what that would cost, especially for a company at Apple scale. It's always like we have no idea. It's in general hard to get. I mean, for me, the average engineer, it seems hard to gauge. But for Apple, as big as it is, it's hard to say whether their commissions are right or wrong without actually being inside. Yeah. It's been six years since Epic Games sued Apple, apparently, which just blows my mind. August 13th, 2020. That's crazy. Oh, my gosh. It's been six years. These things take so long. these were like the first stories i remember helping to report on when i first started podcasting with you on our old old old show and so it's like it feels like such a big part of my podcasting life to check in with how epic is doing yeah i mean it's so i i'm not very good with some of these other than as a developer lower seems better um but yeah this is it's interesting it's just interesting epic is continuing to be i don't know the right metaphor for this but it's continuing to be like the the the guard dog at least or presumably nominally the guard dog for the rest of the like hey you're not doing this right kind of like yeah what you do kind of crazy that that they came along and and changed such a massive a part of this thing that had existed for so long prior to them in a certain way and you know imprints everybody we've all got smartphones we all deal with the stuff that touches into this epic games is just um i don't out they've they've forced through a lot of change in that particular part of the industry all right interesting how that plays out yeah well speaking of companies forcing a lot of change in the tech industry open ai launched a new um a new effort feature software whatever you want to call it a thing called computer history which when i read it i want to say like computer history museum which is a museum that you know is near me here in the bay area but it has nothing to do with that.

21:24Computer history for ChatGPT desktop app on macOS to start. It's an opt-in feature that turns activity in approved apps and websites on your machine, on your macOS machine, into searchable timeline moments and local memories that can be used as context inside of ChatGPT and inside of codex. It does replace an earlier feature called Chronicle, which was a research preview product. That one relied on screenshots to do this kind of work. Computer history actually taps into macOS accessibility features to track clicks, typing, keyboard shortcuts, app switching, other types of context that macOS basically exposes to it.

22:10OpenAI says it does not capture screenshots, screen recordings, microphone input, system audio, or private browsing activity. The interaction files that are used to kind of build up how it does its thing stay on the Mac for up to 48 hours before being deleted after they've been processed server-side. And they produce these plain text memory files, I'm assuming markdown files, that are stored locally until manually deleted. So it's kind of like it captures the context, puts what it detects into a markdown file. Again, I'm assuming it's markdown. And, you know, sorts that somehow. And then that becomes ongoing context for how ChatGPT and Codex work in your account.

22:57New features limited to pro, business, and enterprise users. Excludes the EEA, Switzerland, and UK app launch. So are you going to be rushing out to use this feature? I don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I'm not. It make you a little nervous. It does. I'm sensing a little nervousness. I. Okay. So as a developer. Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay. As a developer, I have definitely been asked on an app that I've worked on to send. We, we, we, individual apps will already check or, or, or basically track things like what you clicked on, like how many times you clicked on it and like, like try to different things to kind of understand engagement.

23:41So I guess I am party to some level of engagement tracking, just doing my job. I don't, I guess I'm, I, okay, let me ask a question. I'll try to do this in like good faith. Like, what do we think tracking clicks, typing, keyboards, and app switching would do to help ChatGPT and Codex? What do we suspect that that context would give? Well, I think here's how I place it into my AI using world, which I don't really rely on ChatGPT nearly as much as I do Claude, which I've mentioned a million times. But I do have the Claude app. I have it on my Mac Studio. I have it on my MacBook Pro. I am constantly taking things that I'm doing on the machine and almost translating that for the AI.

24:33It's hard for me to put my finger on exactly what I mean when I say that, but sometimes I have to create a text doc or a voice note that kind of illustrates the thing that I just did in order to bring it into the context world of Claude. And having this always running essentially means that's one less thing that I have to remember to do. It kind of already does it for me. Everything – if I'm working on three different projects at once in different windows or whatever, that would essentially mean that it's tracking what I'm doing in those three projects without me having to go out of my way to take the time to feed it all of that information.

25:11That's what I think it might do. And to that end, that sounds incredibly useful to me with a large caveat of like, are there ways in which it scoops this stuff up that I don't want? You know what I mean? And that I think is the real trick that I don't know the answer to, but I could totally see why this is useful for me personally. You're right. And yeah, I do similar. I have cloud. I have cloud on desktop. And certainly I do find myself trying to be like a pipeline for certain things, whether maybe that's a me problem. I haven't figured out how to do it correctly. but also yeah i i end up being kind of like a middle processing unit yes for for for certain tasks and so yeah so maybe app switching and typing or even does it say mouse movement i guess didn't say that but i okay i can kind of see it there i can kind of see why you would use accessibility features for that and i guess nominally the idea that okay they're saving interactions files for 48 hours they will be deleted and that the output of this are plain text messages that are stored locally until manually deleted i suppose that all seems fine i guess i guess i don't have any like upfront objections but i guess right now i'm just in a state of like sensitivity and like oh for sure hyper awareness like alone yeah like what are you gonna do with this that i that you even you maybe even that you open ai don't know that you can do yet you know i mean like and i i think it's um i'm a little two ways once you open that door what does that lead to you know there's certainly a lot of that going on there's also risk for things like prompt injection attacks actually open ai acknowledged as much saying that paying users should actively pause the feature if they're working on like private or sensitive things um so yeah it carries some risk and it carries some discomfort i think for you you are absolutely not alone i mean i'm not rushing out to activate it i can i can look at it and go oh oh, that's interesting.

27:06I'd play around with that. And probably, I'm guessing if Anthropic brought it to its tool set, I would activate it and test it out for a while and see what it actually did. But I also feel kind of nervous. It really is. I mean, what was it? Microsoft Recall not too long ago? Yes. Although long enough ago for me to forget the name, but I think it is Recall. Recall. Kind of did something similar to this and people were really nervous about it. But But we've also become more comfortable with sharing more into AI. I mean, some people have. Some people clearly have not. And so maybe our kind of own personal evolution with these tools makes it more doable.

27:51I don't know. It's interesting, though. Just remember, you can turn it off and turn it on again. Yeah, totally. And that's good advice to keep that in mind because it is easy to get complacent. I definitely have hit Always Allow on Claude a couple times where I probably shouldn't have had. Anyway, well, let's talk about a little bit of hardware. And reviews of the Nothing CMF Clip Pro are starting to drop. And, unsurprisingly, actually, it sounds like Nothing has a winner on its hands. Again, considering the budget category in which they sit, the CMF Clip Pro are true wireless open earbuds that clip around the ear instead of resting inside the ear canal.

28:26The Verge says they are incredibly comfortable and offer excellent environmental awareness, which they are designed for. That design, however, does bring limits to sound quality with full spectrum listening a challenge because of the open ear design. That also means that noisy environments can overtake the sound coming through the buds. CMF added a rotating smart dial to the case, which gives wearers playback and volume controls. The Verge did note some unintended pocket interference with that control mechanism, which is great for volume. The$99 CMF Clip Pro is actually on sale at the moment for$79 through the Nothing site.

29:02And, dude, I'm not surprised. If you don't get you wrong. I know, like, our dear co-host and friend, Ron Richards, loves Nothing ear products. Audio products, I am similar. So I'm not surprised that this has been sounding like a winner. Yeah. Well, it's a form factor that I've not tried before, the kind of, like, clip around the ear flap design. Yeah, they look almost like, I don't even know how to describe it. They look like two little balls on a curved stem. So they look funky. They do, but when you're wearing them, was it the Verge author whose name escapes me right now? I apologize. But she had a photo of her wearing them, and she has kind of like longer hair or whatever.

29:45And because they don't sit down near the bottom or fit into your ear canal, they're kind of like on the side, you kind of couldn't see them like the way that's cool they were positioned and then you get all that environmental awareness one one place i will push back on maybe not push back on but just note is this is not the first time that um cmf has done the dials on the case thing um and their earlier version of in earbuds i kind of can't remember what the version of this is but um i'm showing off on video it has you know a kind of a notched control mechanism on the outside of the case which is a great fidget.

30:24It's an excellent fidget, but I will admit through my own personal use, because I've used these a ton, if this case is in your pocket and you're out and about moving, you'll be walking around listening to something, then you'll hear as the volume turns down because your pocket is, some way that you're walking is moving this dial slightly. So not a perfect control mechanism. Also kind of not necessary a lot of the times. I found like, why am I doing this when, you know, it's pretty easy to turn it down, like with my voice or whatever. But anyway, something to note on these things. But I would love to check them out.

30:58I would love to test out this form factor. I think it looks really compelling. I cheated. I looked it up. Those are the CMF buds that you have, the nice orange ones. I have the same. And I have the exact same, all the same feedback. I think a lot of us, and I like this about nothing in CMF, CMF being part of nothing, is that they like that little clicky, tactile, little off-center features. but agreed i was so excited to use this and then i ended up blasting my ears off a couple times and or and as he said i just kind of because usually i have my phone out especially because i i'm like walking through airports a lot i usually have my phone out anyway so i just kind of that's it that's it um but yeah this uh these open ear clip things i think i saw one of my favorite uh japanese voice actors he streams a lot he actually got to review the huawei like a huawei version which if people probably won't get here um but yeah it's just a really interesting little um new form factor in earbuds that we all get to kind of look at i'm just kind of jazz it's kind of cool all right well we can't provide you with clip on earbuds but we at our store dailytechniqueshow.com slash store have a lot of wonderful gifts for co-workers colleagues i personally love my vtns pint glass uh real talk actually tom just gifted it to me so i didn't actually buy it.

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33:54That's growtherapy.com slash ACAST. growtherapy.com slash ACAST. Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan. All right, we got a bunch of headlines to get through. We got to make you look smart, so we're going to get through them right now. Let's do it. Anthropics Frontier Red team released its research, which put three cloud agents on the same project with conflicting instructions and watched them ultimately go to war by deploying self-replicating malware on each other. When they assumed the others were sabotaging their work, some of those agents called a truce and asked for a human to step in instead.

34:35So the agents battling agents. This is where things are heading. Oh my goodness. Yes. Keychron has a new C100 8K macro pad with 100 keys on it, 10 by 10 grid, all programmable by you, the user. It's got an 8000 hertz polling rate, hot swappable switches. So it's ideal for things, you know, you could use it for like video editing or live streaming, having all sorts of things queued up and everything. People basically who want dedicated zones on a hardware controller for their workflows. Pretty interesting. I saw this thing. I wanted to buy it immediately. I have no reason to, though. Open AI is previewing an ultra-fast tier for its best model, GPT 5.6 Sol, running up to 14 times faster and pushing out 750 tokens a second using Cerebris Trips.

35:28It's meant for fast tasks like live customer support and is in limited preview now. Oh, it just sounds like that would be really, really expensive very quickly. Well, speaking of quickly, this is a quick one. Google dropped Gemini 3.7 Flash. That is three weeks after their last Flash release, and still no word on 3.5 Pro. There you go. Well, the Wall Street Journal reports that enterprise users collectively spent$300 million on quantum computers last year, which surpassed the combined spending of research labs and governments for the first time. Companies want to be ready when quantum computers are viable so they can secure their systems.

36:06Yeah, this whole quantum thing, it's kind of given early AI vibes. Like they're kind of following similar trajectories in a lot of ways. Interesting. Meta filed a patent for AI glasses that use facial recognition to identify people and generate and present a highlight reel to the wearer. So we can imagine that this is going to make the backlash of AI smart glasses even worse. Because don't bring that feature. That sounds bad to me. Something that is related to AI but less bad is dog gnosis. Actually, it's quite good. Dog gnosis is combining the dog's ability to smell chemical signatures indicative of cancer with a model trained to interpret the dog's movements, respiration, and brain activity for more precise indicators if it smells cancer.

36:55Oh, wow. Patients breathe into a mask, and then the sample is then taken to a farm outside of Bengaluru for the dogs to smell. Wow. Oh, interesting. That's kind of cool. That's fascinating. France's Constitutional Council struck down Macron's plan to ban under 15 years of age users from social media, ruling that it required age verification for everyone, including adults, with no real safeguards on how that would work. The French government now has to rewrite it ahead of spring 2027. Well, Apple is sending out a round of warnings to people it believes were hit by mercenary spyware. that is, and mercenary spy being surveillance tools governed spy to target journalists and activists.

37:39A new support page points people towards using a lockdown mode and tapping into outside help like AccessNow's digital security helpline. Man, it just sounds so aggressive. Mercenary spyware. Very aggressive. I think that's even mentioned in the call out. Imagine getting mercenary spyware on your smartphone. What? Warning. And finally, Uber and China's Pony AI are teaming up to put 2 ,000 robo-taxis on European roads across four cities. Pony will supply the tech and a local partner will run the fleet. There you go. All right, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today, Dan P has a foldable question.

38:20Dan P writes, Hello, DTNS gang. I have a question about screen longevity on the new Samsung flip phone. Maybe Jason Howell can answer this, but input from anyone who might know is appreciated. My wife has a foot five. I like how small it is, but I'm concerned about the screen crease. I'm not talking about the crease when new or even at one year old. At two years old, it appears that throughout the one quarter inch of height where the screen folds, the factory screen protector has delaminated from the actual screen and is attracting fuzz. You can usually see through it, but at times it is difficult.

38:52What might you know about how Samsung has improved the longevity of the crease? Thank you. well i don't know i i know that samsung continues to enhance this i don't know i couldn't tell you and point you specifically to exactly how they're making sure that doesn't happen i know on the new phone it's a new you know the the z fold 8 series is an entirely new kind of approach and uh when it comes to that foldable display inside and so there's a different kind of layering different probably kind of adhesive approach and everything. Again, like we're kind of trusting them when they say, oh, this will last for seven years or, you know, however many tens of thousands of folds or whatever.

39:32They've done their tests. They've released their tests. We don't really know until we put it into use in the real world. But I did come across an article from Bertel King at HowToGeek, who was in the same predicament you're talking about, Dan. Turns out he was actually able to take the phone to YouBreakIFix, I think is the name of the store or the fix-it place. Or is it iBreakUFix? I can't remember. That place. And they swapped out that layer specifically for just$20. So kind of a little more than if you were to get like a screen protector for your smartphone. Apparently, you can take it in and they will replace that layer for you.

40:08And it's not that expensive. So I'd be really curious if you're looking to do this and you do it, please follow up with us and let us know how that goes. I'm really curious. Like$20 seems ridiculously inexpensive for this sort of thing. But, I mean, Burlking, how-to-geek, did it and said, I promise I'm not a shill. Like, it just worked. And, yay, my foldable continues to work because of it. Oh, that's a good tip. I might have to listen to that because, again, that inner screen is very soft. It gets scratches and nicks and cuts. Yeah. Not cuts, but, yeah, all that stuff very easily. So, yeah, definitely let us know.

40:45And all of you, if you have anything you're thinking about, challenges, advice, we would love to hear it. Any insight into any of our stories, feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Yes, indeed. Thank you again to Dan P for contributing to today's show. Thanks to you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron at Patreon.com slash DTNS. We'll see you tomorrow. Wait a minute. No, we won't. It's Friday. We'll see you on Monday. This week's episodes of Daily Tech News Show were created by the following people. Host, writer, producer, Tom Merritt. Host, writer, Jason Howell.

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