ChatGPT Starts Infiltrating Group Chats - DTNS 5146

0:00This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, November 14th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, give you some of the important context around that, and help each other understand. Today, Andy Beach tells us about an experiment involving an AI friend, and ChatGPT is piloting group chats for select users. Yeah, speaking of AI friends, I'm Jason Howell. I'm Widwidow. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. OpenAI is piloting group chats in ChatGPT, and this is going to enable users to collaborate in real time inside of a chat instance, essentially. It's like a group chat instance with ChatGPT integrated inside of it.

0:45The group chat experience is meant to provide a space for collective planning, brainstorming, decision making, whatever you can come up with as a group. Users can start a group chat by inviting up to 20 participants, quite a few people in a single chat bot instance, into that chat with a shared link. There are settings to manage group controls like naming and muting notifications, that sort of stuff. And ChatGPT will also keep, importantly, personal memories and histories private and separate from the group chat experience. So you won't have to worry about, you know, your personal chats with ChatGPT.

1:26At least they say you won't have to worry about this creeping into the group chat experience. Now, this is a limited pilot for mobile and web users starting in Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and Taiwan. Feedback from this pilot, of course, will be used to tailor a potential broader rollout. but you can imagine this is probably going to go everywhere at some point. And also direct the possible inclusion of additional features down the line. And I think when I first saw the headline and hadn't read up on this, my mind immediately went to going into a standard chatbot, like a ChatGPT instance, and there just being a bunch of people in there all throwing commands at ChatGPT, like, now do this, now do this.

2:14and my mind just thought like, oh my goodness, that sounds messy and everything. But really what this is, it's just like a group chat with ChatGPT integration the way a lot of other companies have kind of done. Google's done this, Microsoft's done this, Slack has AI integrated into chat. So I don't know, to my mind, it's not a whole lot different from what we've seen before. What are you thinking? I think I can see places where this would be really valuable and I have been on many, many, many, many Zoom calls meet calls where it's meant to be like a retrospective or we're like triaging issues or we're talking about, okay, let's plan for stuff.

2:51And I could actually see where a bot that maybe is able to, I don't know, take polls, take notes, be able to, and I, again, I always cautioned about like the fidelity or the accuracy of things that are brought up by ChagyPT, but in a kind of collaborative space where you're just brainstorming, it might be nice to have a assistant to help manage and facilitate some of that stuff or maybe even generate questions that people, I think that's one of those things, like often like group discussions, there's a lot of the people side, but then also kind of like knowing how to prompt people or knowing how to like keep a conversation going.

3:29And I actually could see like a chat GPT or some kind of conversational assistant having some utility there because I'll tell you like not all of us are good at like keeping a group of 20 people talking productively about a certain thing. So there might be some benefit there to the conversational strength of ChatGPT. I do worry sometimes just because, as we know, and they've improved this, that ChatGPT tends to be a little more, what's a positive word of saying, placating? But, like, you know, it tends to want to make you happy. Yeah. And so I suppose just the caveat of that, but then extended to a group of people and then warnings about echo chambers, like echo chambers and like that.

4:13But I do think that there is a there's room for this. And again, they seem to be kind of forward thinking about, you know, privacy and delineating like personal history and data in a sense from group data. I don't know. What do you think, Jason? Would you use this for like? Well, like when I think about this, like I said, my vision of what it was before, arguably before I read a single word about it other than the headline, was wildly different from what I finally realized it was after reading through it. When I read through it and really kind of understood what they're going for here, like I said, it just reminds me of, you know, Google Chat integrates Gemini into group chats.

4:53Microsoft Teams has co-pilot in Teams mode. So you've got that. Slack has its own AI assistance, including its own that can be integrated into the chat that the chats happening inside of that software. So I think two things come to mind to me. One, I'm not really using these features in that way on the things that already exist. So I'd be really curious if I would use this in a group setting. And two, like with ChatGPT, it's not to say that I don't use ChatGPT. I use it a lot, but I don't use it in that kind of mindset or paradigm. And so that would be a little bit of a switch for me. But along those lines, I think what that points to is ChatGPT becoming more of a collaborative workspace in general, which is something we already give credit for to apps like Slack and the Google suite of products and Microsoft has it all.

5:51there's a lot of already there collaborative kind of aspects to their products and correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen a whole lot of that from ChatGPT it really has I mean yes you can buy team plans and everything but is there a whole lot of collaborative stuff happening in ChatGPT and you got to start somewhere I suppose but does this signal a bigger push for open AI really kind of starting to get into that side of business and enterprise use and everything too. I think we might be looking at that. It sort of reminds me a little bit about we talked about last week about Sora and how that's a very interesting social creative outlet for open AI to explore.

6:34And maybe this is just sort of adjacent to that. But I agree. I think it's so funny because they we've really been had it's like the world of us of assistants and chat bots and so they have they've had us talking to a bot like just one-on-one talking to a bot for a couple years now i guess it makes sense to bring a few more people in the room and then see what happens with the collaboration side of it i do think that's really interesting i wonder if there's some kind of like weird extension here where you know i think there's a concern that if we keep just talking to our bots or you know have like agents do all of our talking for us there's like you know some your mileage might vary on on how serious you think this is about the social skills of the society at large going down maybe this is like a way to do like speed dating with like chat gpt you do a big group chat and then you know you have like the assistant kind of facilitate like connections and stuff like that i don't know i'm just thinking trying to like you know make up for the gaps that may be too much of this assistant bot talking has for us dating with chat gpt that's a whole other thing i never thought i'd think about but there was like hey hey mary you should meet sally she likes horses and i don't know macrame and chat gpt tell me what we both like tell me how we have things in common please chat tbc tell us what we should talk about right now to make yeah what should we talk about where do our interests collide it's i i think it makes a lot of sense it obviously we have no idea where this is going but i mean it with all the other collaborative tools out there it's not surprising that nobody wants to stick the fingers in it Yeah, well, and one of the things that I wondered is like how integrated is a ChatGPT chatbot into a group chat setting?

8:18And just so you know kind of how that works, my understanding is you include ChatGPT in your message and then it knows to kind of listen up. Although I think it's also, you know, it's gathering the context of the chat, regardless of whether you include its name. But if you want it to respond and integrate into, you know, provide an answer for something or summarize or whatever, you have to explicitly call on it. Otherwise, it kind of takes a step back. And that's what just kind of makes this. I mean, it's a standard like group chat environment with ChatGPT summonable if you decide to pull it in.

8:53That's my understanding anyways. And yeah, I'm curious to see how it all works once, you know, it potentially broadens out to more regions. Yeah, absolutely. That happens. I'd be curious to try it just to see what it's like in clever spaces. So for sure. Well, we'd like to think of this as a big collaboration between us, your host and you, the listener, because DTNS is made possible by you guys. We want to take the time to thank Philip Shane, Paul Boyer, D. Laser and thank Sherry for a raise. Thank you. You shouldn't have, Sherry, except that you should. Maybe not should, but thank you for doing that.

9:25Thank you. There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. Well, Meta will launch third-party chat integration with WhatsApp in Europe over the next few months, a move that is now required thanks to the Digital Markets Act. Birdie Chat and HiKit will be the first to connect, but all third-party services must maintain WhatsApps. Oh, my goodness. That's hard to say. I know. What's apps. What's apps. End to end encryption implementation. Users with WhatsApp accounts registered in DMA regions can opt in from the settings tab on both iOS and Android. Once in that integration will allow text, photos, videos, waste messages and documents to be shared.

10:08And meta plans to notify users each time a new service is added, which makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Meta, you know, going one step further, I suppose, to be like, see, we're playing nice with everyone else. We'll let them know when a new service is added. Well, it sounds like a handy, you know, handy feature that I hope comes to more places. I thought this was funny. Maybe not funny, but interesting. Meta does warn that third party apps, quote, might handle your data differently. And well, you know, Meta isn't necessarily a saint in that area. Like, oh, I don't know. I don't know if you want to trust them with your data.

10:43It's like, well, you're meta though. I'm just saying. Pot, kettle. Yeah, right. Right, right, right. But yeah, I think it's a good feature. And I hope it comes out to more places, even though they're being somewhat compelled to do this because of the DMA. I always wonder with features like this, like, does it just make sense to just, you know, have this as a testing water and just bring it to more places? and they probably don't want to, but... Third-party, I mean, integrations, I feel like whenever you have a platform of any kind, third-party integrations is probably in the top two to three features that people will eventually want if you are lucky enough to stick around.

11:22So it only makes sense. Thank you, Meta, for playing by the rules for now. Yeah, thank you so much for playing by the rules. Google is developing a new feature for Android devices called, well, at least right now, called either gesture exchange or contact exchange that will enable users to more easily share contact details with other users using NFC. Users will be able to select what to share, so photos, phone numbers, emails, that sort of stuff. And then on the receiving end, the receiving user will have to explicitly trigger to choose to receive those details on their phone. It's unclear if NFC will be used strictly for connecting the two devices for like making the sync up or if it's also going to be used for transferring that shared data between them these details were by the way discovered in an apk teardown by android authority the branding that they have in place that gesture exchange or contact exchange neither of those names is is like set my my world on fire um could be a placeholder maybe they'll come up with a better name because i thought ios has a great name for this i mean i It's fantastic.

12:32Name drop. I mean, I feel like that that tells you exactly what it is. Yeah. Yeah. There's a definite like cool factor to name drop gesture exchange or contact exchange just makes me think it's a Microsoft feature or something. Right. OK. We've been in the Android game for a long time. Did this did this story give you a little bit of like, I don't know, nostalgia or something? Because I feel like this is like one of the first things my husband, who was the person who got me the Android phones, like showed off to me on his Nexus something, something but maybe this is like a sexier version of it what was it called because i vaguely remember but yeah we've been around a long time we've seen a lot of changes i i vaguely remember that i guess it didn't really take off because now we're talking about it beam was it beam was it beam or was beam just file transfer i think file transfer but maybe with beam that was also contact share i honestly can't remember it right now i swear although you know obviously between me and my husband we didn't really need to share contacts so i don't remember there oh yes uh galaxy nexus android beam easily share contacts websites apps mass directions and youtube videos okay so more than just contacts yeah yeah um times a flat circle as we said many times so but i mean to be fair from like the the it seems like they're in 2025 they'll have a nicer sexier better user experience for it because i kind of remember being kind of clunky but But anyway, yes, I had a sense of nostalgia.

13:58Didn't set the world on fire or whatever it was back then. I think it's gone through two, three, or maybe even four branding changes. So this might be the fifth. Not unfamiliar to us in the Android rodeo. Is that a rodeo? Rodeo, sure. Rodeo. All right. Well, Apple, on the other side of the aisle, updated its app review guidelines to introduce stricter measures to fight copycat apps and misleading branding. So this new rule bans developers from using other companies' icons, brands, and product names in app icons or titles without explicit permission. So this is an update to previous rules that had already discouraged imitation and encouraged developers to, quote, come up with your own ideas.

14:41The news section now makes it a bit more concrete what that means. And the change comes after a wave, a recent wave of clone apps for high profile launches like OpenAI, Sora 2. This update also includes a number of other changes related to age verification, data sharing with AI, personal data disclosures, and loan app rates, among others. Yeah. I mean, you are a developer. We talk about that fact all the time. And you've been doing this for quite a while. Have you faced this directly in your own experience that you can talk about? I mean, and does Google have something that compares to this? not not directly because usually i think i'm always working at the person to be copied but to be honest as a can i say as like a side project side hustle person i i think there's there's non-nefarious reasons you'd want to do this so the most of the times that we run across this these days this is obviously an app that's trying to clone a common one i got tricked into downloading the wrong gpt i think at some point and and those kind of feel a little more not for good reasons but i i also think that there's a cavalcade of again talking about third-party integrations and people wanting to kind of create companion apps or features where maybe the primary publisher developer doesn't do it i made a lot of companion apps and i was like but i i want people to know that this is a companion app for this game it makes sense for me to somehow include the logo there so that wasn't that's not necessarily trying to supplant or trick people It's more just trying to identify a group of users that would connect.

16:17So, yeah, I think there's a valid use for that. But, I mean, maybe that's just, maybe that's silly thinking. That was like us 15 years ago, and nowadays there's just a cavalcade or a deluge of fake apps. So I haven't personally, and I imagine these days, it's just anecdotally, I feel like this is primarily and probably most usefully as stopping people trying to trick you into downloading them. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I definitely welcome that because I've certainly seen in the app store, you know, you go there like, oh, is this app on Android? You know, of course, I'm speaking again from the Android perspective.

16:50I don't have an iOS device myself, but, you know, go in there like, oh, is this app finally out for Android? And you go and you see something like, yay. And then you realize, no, it's just people, you know, trying to trick you. And I don't like that. I don't like being tricked. Nah. How about instead of a trick, I give you a treat. I like it. Retro Games Ltd. Retro Games Limited has officially opened pre-orders for the A1200, as in the Amiga 1200, a full-size Amiga 1200 replica that is sure to tug on the heartstrings of retro computing fans all over the world. It mimics the original's design. It's packing an ARM CPU, running Linux, and a custom Amaberry emulator.

17:35It includes 25 licensed games. So you're going to get Defender of the Crown, which is a fantastic old game. Turrican Trilogy, Rough and Tumble, just to name a few. The unit includes a fully functional keyboard that looks identical, pretty much identical to the original USB ports. HDMI out, of course, you can plug it into your big screen. A recreated Amiga mouse. It also includes an Amiga kit A1200 game pad. via 1200 pre-orders open now for 169.99 british pound sterling release date set for june 2026 was uh was the amiga ever on your radar when you were younger is this is this tugging on heart strings or is this a little early it's a little early i think the nas is what tugs on my heart string so just just the expectation set are you similar similar time area i think if memory serves you know the m e n s the original n s right original yeah okay yeah yeah well i had the commodore 64 that that was my big like initial you know computer fascination love of my life when i was a teenager and i have retro games uh c64 version the the maxi that came out a handful of years ago and you know so i have that experience to draw from i could say well built really tugs on the nostalgia strings pretty easy to import games into the device if you have a thumb drive and they make that really easy on this apparently so even though it has 25 games you're gonna be able to pull i mean it's so easy to get these games online if you really are motivated to do it and they're you know they're tiny files and stuff so people who have an inkling to do that sort of thing uh it looks like this is a fantastic way to go with uh you know for an amiga emulator like that looks like the real thing.

19:27It's cool that these exist. I love it. 100%. Finally, some quick headlines that are just good to know if you want to understand the news in the future. Well, Amazon has rebranded its satellite internet project from Project Kuiper to Amazon LEO, LEO as in low Earth orbit. The company has already launched more than 150 satellites aimed at offering global high-speed internet coverage with commercial service plans expected to follow its current expansion. Yeah. Speaking of Amazon, Amazon and Microsoft are supporting U.S. legislation known as the GAIN AI Act that would limit NVIDIA's AI chip exports to China and require chip makers to meet U.S.

20:10demand before exporting. The act aims to ensure domestic supply for U.S. tech firms. That's why they're supporting it. Well, Google's call recording feature is now more widely available to Pixel 6 and newer devices, though older devices will not have access to the AI-powered call notes feature found on Pixel 9 and 10 devices, unsurprisingly. Yeah, pretty unsurprising. A Texas judge has refused to dismiss Elon Musk's lawsuit that alleges Apple and OpenAI colluded to block XAI and XCorp from competing in new AI markets by allegedly favoring OpenAI's chat GPT over XAI's Grok app in the App Store.

20:50This actually forces both companies to formally respond to the claims in court. Well, Mozilla, speaking of AI, is adding an AI window feature to Firefox, an opt-in AI browsing assistant and chatbot where users can choose the AI model that will act, quote, as a trusted companion in the browser and a wait list is posted if you want to check it out. Netflix launched a series of party games for TV and web users that can be played using a smartphone as a controller. Titles like Pictionary, Tetris, Lego Party, just name a few. TikTok users can now share Amazon Music tracks, albums, playlists, and personalized streaming stats directly from the Amazon Music app into TikTok, similar to Spotify and Apple Music integrations that have been in place for the last year.

21:34And finally, Apple TV subscribers gaining full access to all major league soccer matches in 2026 at no extra cost. So no longer requiring a separate season pass subscription like before, and also joining F1 streaming as an included perk for subscribers. Oh, gosh. Can we bring some clarity to NFL streaming? Because, my gosh, this season, if you're a football fan in the U.S., it's just a nightmare. Anyway, those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper. Yeah, The Guardian sent a reporter to spend a week with an AI wearable you may have heard of called Friend. If you've seen the promotional video that they've done for this, it's wild.

22:13I think I saw that a handful of months ago, and it really does feel like Black Mirror. Andy Beach explains what that experiment revealed. Andy, my friend, thank you for joining us. Well, Tom, as long as I'm still flesh and bone, it is great to see you. Yes, the experience of Madeline Aguilera is really interesting. Tell us about what she wrote up in The Guardian. Yeah, so we've sort of seen a little bit of this before in sort of other areas, but this was the first time I had seen a journalist sort of sit down and try to document it. She lived with an AI friend for a week. It's$129 AI pendant, literally called friend, that is designed as a daily companion and marketed as an anecdote to loneliness and something that sort of constantly listens and delivers some form of soothing and affirming tone.

23:09So this is not dissimilar to what I've seen you use, which is a device that will just do note taking. Right. But rather than summarize the meeting, this is helping you feel better about yourself. Yeah, it's almost it's folding in those note taker AI pens that are that are out there. Plod is the one I use, but there's B and a bunch of others that that have become popular. but it's not just sifting that information. It's, it's sort of more of your constant interactions and you engaging with it and it providing some form of feedback and, and apparently usually in some sort of affirmation way. I highly recommend that people read the piece on the Guardian to get the full flavor of this.

23:58You absolutely have to, but it, as you might've guessed, maybe it didn't go exactly as planned. Didn't go great. And, And again, I guess I would say it is definitely early in this area, and I don't think it's ever going to be for everybody. But the big pieces that stood out, she called it infuriating, not comforting, and that it was boring, evasive and oddly manipulative. Is that a personality conflict, though, which is an interesting take as it is, right? But is that something where maybe this journalist is just not the right type of person for friend and maybe these kinds of devices need to adapt to different personalities?

24:40Or is there just something wrong with this from the get go? Well, I think there's twofold here. First of all, I do think it's very early for something that's like a super wide commercial availability. And therefore, I suspect that like just the prompting and the other pieces that are there are relatively clunky. and need to evolve and be much more mature. Because we saw open AI get all sycophantic and that's got all the resources in the world behind it all the time. Absolutely. I mean, almost all AI sort of that we interact with that are similar to GPT or Claude or something else right now, they're sort of trained by default to be like Labrador retrievers that just constantly want to please you.

25:20Yeah, that's right. Everything they've got. Perfect, nailed it. But I do think there are use cases where this is a useful technology for parts of the market. We've already seen, I've seen articles for over a year now about how Japan has been using generative AI for the elderly as companions. And there have been case studies around people with early onset dimension using GPT as like a reminder tool and a conversation piece, because the more they talk, the more it helps build those memory bonds. So I think there's edge cases where there's value in it, but I think it's probably too early for it to be something that we all just broadly go out and use in some way.

26:04And then sort of to your earlier point, not everybody's going to want to do this. Like there's just a lot of people that are not going to have a desire, but I think there still are a handful that will want some version of it. And I'll say even my own, I'm certainly not talking to an AI, but I started an AI journal this year that I found online. And I've found it wildly helpful as a way of just sort of encapsulating my day. And then it knows a lot of things and it can prompt me with questions and trends that it sees over time. It's almost like having a little therapist in your pocket. Well, and I think therapist is a good comparison here because some people just don't like the idea of a therapist at all from the get go.

26:48And maybe this journalist is one of them. I'm not saying she is or she isn't, but that could explain it right there. It could also be the fact that sometimes you break up with your therapist because you're like, you know what, this therapist is not the right one for me. Let me go find one that is. So it goes back to whether it's the right person. I feel like this attempt is too early and not fine-tuned enough. And I'm being charitable when I say that. I think you could take current technology and make something like this, but it would take a lot more work than it sounds like went into Friend. Yeah, absolutely.

27:24I think it is early. I think we will see versions of this. I suspect this is one of many products that we're going to see. I will be curious for CES this year because this is exactly the kind of thing you would expect to see a lot of. Oh, my gosh. I can already picture the booth. Yep. So, like, I do feel like we'll see more of it. And it'll be interesting to see how it sort of matures and evolves and whether it can get past these early, clunky, awkward phases and get into something that feels like it's actually valuable to an individual. Well, fantastic. Andy, thank you so much for talking to us about your friend and mine or somebody's friend, the friend.

28:06If you would like to make a friend, perhaps Andy would suit the task for you. I am available as a friend and it's actually a much lower price than$120 ,000. Yeah. How much is it at your sub stack? It can be free. You can come over. There's a lot of content that goes out for free. There is a paywall for some deeper cut essays, but my sub stack covers the media and AI convergence, what we're doing in the tech stack and what I think culturally matters about it. That is called Engines of Change and it's Engines of Change.ai. Fantastic. Thanks, Andy. Thanks, Tom. Yeah, devices like this. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that we had the Humane AI pin, we had the Rabbit R1.

28:49They weren't doing the I'm your friend thing necessarily. They were doing something that was a little easier to obtain, just like contextualizing things and not going to that deeper kind of personalization level. it's still really early for technology like this and i guess you got to start somewhere but yeah when i saw the pre like the the promo video for this thing i was like i'm not sure i'm ready for that nope it's kind of like it was like having a mean girl coming along with you i i will say that i i do think that there is value you know with the idea of having someone to kind of keep those language and those like kind of communication bonds going but i think it's so interesting because as andy mentioned that's like an edge case and i feel like so many times there's such good technology out there but it works on edge cases like there's there's like a couple two or three like very scarce but incredibly useful use cases and then you plop that into you know the world and the economy and then people companies want to monetize it and so you end up kind of like trying to figure out a wider a wider use case of it and there's like always a kind of the muddling of there for me so anyway yeah we'll see all right well the holidays are coming up and if you have a if you want a gift for a dtns fan or hey if you want to like maybe encourage a new dtns fan but getting someone some swag check out dailytechnewshow.com store we have a lovely pint glass that tom was trying to tempt me with yesterday that is currently being road tested by prolific response writer rw nash tom's got an ebook out synced a little bit more about tech there's holiday cards postcards more done uh done with art done by the fabulous lynn peralta just go take a look figure figure out some good gifts for your fam and get ready for the holidays dailytechnewsshow.com

30:45finally we end every episode of dtns with some shared wisdom and today anon jr has thoughts on the coda the music service that lets you turn off generated songs all right anon jr writes I understand the impetus behind wanting a system to identify and block AI music. I don't agree, but I understand. I also have a very real concern that these systems are going to be utter garbage at IDing AI music. We've already seen on the text side, books written well before computers, much less AI, being identified as 88 % AI written. So far, I've seen nothing to indicate that the music system would be any different.

31:27Yeah, I'm not super familiar with this, so I'm going to have to look into it, but I completely agree with it on Junior. Like, I get it. I totally sympathize with people not wanting to hear these things, but putting an automated system that does this, I mean, you're guaranteed to get false positives. You're going to miss things. Some things are going to get through. You're going to be angry because it lets something through. And I mean, they're just not perfect, which isn't to say that they shouldn't try, but, you know, just be forewarned about that. Yeah, not too unfamiliar from like the copyright issues, copyright claims and such automated copyright claims on YouTube and other similar services.

32:01Or like removing, you know, adult content from search and then you end up kicking out a whole bunch of other very legitimate stuff as a result of that as well. Again, I'm not saying that it shouldn't exist and it shouldn't happen and that there isn't really great intentions behind these things. Totally get it. But they're not perfect. They haven't been perfect forever and they're not going to be perfect here. I just have this image of trying to stuff a genie and very specifically Robin Williams genie from the original Aladdin movie back into the bottle imagine that yeah and he's all just like sinking to make fun of you it almost like really it really feels like that situation where the genie is out of the bottle and trying to stuff them back in is just a losing fight well what are you thinking about is it AI is it genies let us know if you have some insight share it with us feedback at dailychecknewsshow.com big thanks to Andy Beach Thanks to Anon Jr.

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