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2:10This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, July 14, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context of all that stuff, and help each other understand. Today, Demis Hassabis thinks he has the framework for keeping frontier AI safe and controlled. But does he? That's what we're going to talk about. I don't even know if we'll be able to answer that question, but we will certainly try. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Jen Cutter. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story.

2:42Yes, so Demis Hassabis. Who is Demis? Well, CEO and co-founder of Google DeepMind published a policy and strategy essay on X and also on LinkedIn where he's pushing for a US driven frontier AI standards body. And this would pretest frontier models before their release. It would actively slow down that release when there are actual risks or potential risks that are spotted during that kind of analysis. The standards body that Hassabis lays out is modeled actually on FINRA, which is the private nonprofit self-regulatory organization that writes rules and supervises member firms while operating underneath SEC authority in the financial side of things.

3:34Now, in this case, this effort would be industry funded. It would be industry run, but accountable to U.S. federal agencies and national labs. And the standards body itself would get a pre-release review up to 30 days before the release of a model, before it's scheduled anyways. And then benchmarks would evolve over time as new risk patterns are recognized. So they would kind of add to the complexity or the kind of purview of this standards body over time. During that window, the models would be evaluated in specific areas. So think cybersecurity, bio, agentic actions, deceptive practices or deception in general, aka I imagine hallucination would probably fall in there, watermarking, all those kinds of things.

4:26Hassabis says that a standards body approach would be more effective than a classic governmental regulatory approach because that regulatory aspect and kind of inside of the governmental hierarchy of things could stall progress. It could also increase the chances of that bureaucracy and capture along the way. So, yeah, so Hassabis is basically saying, like, the time to act is now. And I don't feel like he's alone in kind of putting out ideas. But for whatever reason, and we can talk about this, Hassabis' idea here is being, I'd say, more warmly received than some of the other things that we've heard to date so far.

5:09But what stood out for you? Well, one thing, because obviously I'm going to relate things to gaming, because the first thing I thought of was way back in the day. When I was a kid, I remember Joseph Lieberman being like, you know, we got to regulate video games. We got to do this stuff. We got to put our hands all over it. And gaming store teams were like, wait a minute. What if we did this ourselves? We will be preemptive here before anything shows up as a bill and set up the ESRB. We will take care of ratings ourselves. this one sounds a little more robust than say ESRB for ratings because if you don't know how it works because a lot of people don't you've made a shiny new game you send that game to the ESRB and you give it a list hey here is what's in our game and like a representative clip now no one at the ESRB actually like goes through the whole game to see if you're right or not like Grand Theft Auto got in trouble for this for hot coffee if you remember that way back in the day in terms of like, there was stuff that the ESRB did not know about.

6:16And that was bad. I forgot about that, but now I remember. Now, for this, this looks like they will actually test things. It'll be a lot more hands-on. People will go through things. So this feels a lot stronger and sidesteps the whole, when companies ask to be regulated and then are surprised Pikachu when they are actually regulated. Mm-hmm. Well, and DeepMind or Hassabis isn't alone, like I mentioned, in kind of putting this out there, putting some sort of need or addressing some sort of need of, hey, this moment in artificial intelligence development is moving so fast. Of course, he's throwing out the AGI definition or not the definition, but just the fact that AGI is right around the corner, which I feel like they always say, and it's always right around the corner.

7:05A few short years away is what he said. But again, to my mind, it's like, all right, well, please define AGI because everyone seems to define it differently these days. I don't know exactly what that means, but I think at the essence, he's saying what others who are offering up solutions or different ways to approach this are saying, which is that this stuff's moving so fast. let's get in front of it while we can so that we create kind of a I don't know a friendly landscape that doesn't spiral out of control give too much of that capture to one particular group or class of people and things go in in ways down the line that you can't really undo because it's just too far too fast and so it's all about urgent action um and I don't know like I said earlier It does seem like people are responding to this a little differently than the things that we've heard before, because like with OpenAI, they were pushing, you know, they had an idea around governmental licensing, kind of a licensing approach.

8:11anthropic pushing more for like a legislative powers over um things like testing and deployment and then you got the white house pushing for these voluntary commitments which at least so far among other ideas but um not a whole lot of of teeth there this kind of creating an organization to oversee it that's kind of run by the organization but feeds into the other aspects i don't know So whatever it is, it doesn't give me the wheelies the way some of the other options have before. This gives those companies a runway, too. So the 30-day review, it's like, okay, so you're ready. And instead of creating an infosec nightmare by just dumping it out there and everybody gets it, including enemies of the U.S.

8:58government, this is going to be in favor with the U.S. government in that they get first dibs. and like and i figure in some cases like assuming this goes through uh the government's gonna be like no this is ours bye we own this now uh which gains them favor in terms of sidestepping future regulations like this is definitely getting in front of it and having more eyes on things probably isn't bad especially for the claims for what it's going to do in the future uh having that, again, that runway to be like, maybe we should tweak this a little. Maybe we should put better guardrails. I think this will actually kind of make some models better.

9:43Yeah, I think that it certainly could. And again, like you mentioned, none of this means much beyond the fact that it's a memo, it's a framework. This is not setting the wheels in motion, at least not yet, of an actual thing. This is just another idea on how to tackle that. One question that came up for me was like, well, how does this apply to those creating these models outside of the US? And similar to with FINRA, companies or organizations outside of the US that would want to ship their frontier class models into the US market would also need to pass those standards bodies test. But it does kind of put the US in some way into that de facto global gatekeeper role for frontier models.

10:35I mean, you live in Canada. How do you feel about that? Well, we need to make a model first, but I'm sure you have some thoughts that will be covered on this show in the future. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know how the world would feel about that. Maybe that just makes sense to people like, well, yeah, of course it would be there. But I'm sure there are people who would feel a little uneasy about that, too. But yeah, I think the fact that these conversations continue happening really do speak to how many are feeling right now, which is clearly something needs to happen here. and I think Mythos has kind of pushed this into the foreground of discussion to be like, oh, wait a minute, that time we were waiting for, maybe that time is now because things are only going to get more and more capable and what do we do?

11:25So yeah, I'll be curious to see how this pans out and how this is received, but immediate reaction seems to be pretty positive on it. DTNS is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to Brent S. Smithline, Erwin Sturr, Ken Hayes, and Philip Shane. Thank you all so, so much. We appreciate you.

11:53All right, there's plenty more we need to know today, so let's get to the briefs. Thanks to R.W. Nash in the subreddit for linking us to Microsoft's announcement that it's rolling out a major redesign of the Windows 11 search box. prioritizing local results and removing promotional content and noise. Thank goodness. The new home screen is simpler, showing recent searches and placing labels by source for each result so users are clear on what item they are about to click on. System items like this PC and Recycle Bin will appear ahead of the web and store suggestions when they match stronger as well.

12:31MSN and Bing feed content is being removed from the search homepage And there's new privacy settings to allow users to remove all web and Microsoft store content entirely, which will be great for people who've had to do registry edits to get that stuff out of there. Microsoft has also made it a bit more for... Is your kid's birthday coming up? Don't stress the prep. The Party Shop at Michael's is your one-stop shop for everything from bluey to rodeo. Transform your space into a birthday wonderland with dream-worthy tablescapes and decor starting at 99 cents. Plus, get free helium inflation on select balloon styles.

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15:49Are you a Windows 11? Nope. I don't actually have a machine that can run 11. So that's why I've been doing a lot of Linux experimentation. And then for my main work machine, I'm on Windows 10 because I haven't been confident enough in other platforms yet to fully move. Yeah, yeah. I would say, so I'm a Mac user. I don't really operate in the Windows side of the world anymore. But I will say, like, being an Android user, like, as far as, because I haven't had direct experience with how this kind of clutters up the OS and the UI. A lot. I've had to remove it for a lot of people. And even on Windows 10, I did edits to get the store right off my machine.

16:30I don't use it at all because I can install programs. That's a nightmare. Well, I know that on Android, there have been times where integrated into the OS level thing are these opportunities for people to kind of get their ads suddenly in there. And I want my UI on my operating system, whatever that operating system may be, to be clean. Because I have specific things I want to do within there. And there's just like a cognitive focus break that happens when things get messy like that. So I'm all about this, but it sounds like there are a lot of people really annoyed for a very long time about this.

17:07The crashing is the worst. You're like, hey, I'm looking for this document that I don't remember where I saved it, and then it crashes. Yeah. That's no good. That's not good. So some of these things are gone, dot, dot, dot. But for how long? Eventually, for everyone. Right now for the experimental line. Again, I'm sure many users here are on. So if you're using this, do write us, feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. Yeah. Be curious if Microsoft sticks to this or slowly over time, if it kind of decays back. Becomes a co-pilot again. Yes. Right. We'll see. We'll see. New York has signed the nation's first state moratorium on new hyperscale AI data centers for one year.

17:50Governor Kathy Hochul's executive order is effective immediately. It blocks new environmental permits for data centers over 50 megawatts, while the state works on designing new regulations to protect its residents from increased energy prices, water use, and air quality impacts. Hochul also directed the state's development arm to design a framework that helps local communities to better negotiate benefits when large data centers plan data center construction inside of those areas. And so, yeah, targeting very much larger data centers. This is not the first time that we've seen something like this be attempted.

18:34What was it? Was it Missouri? That's right. Missouri has been working on something similar. I think there was Maine tried to do something like this, failed actually. It was not able to do that because the governor actually vetoed the bill. But there's a little bit of a kind of a groundswell happening here. And this could act as kind of the model for other states to do something similar. Yeah, lots of town meetings have gone viral for how strong the opposition was of just regular people, not corporations, just regular people being like, wait a minute, I'm going to actually get involved in local politics for this.

19:13And I'm kind of impressed by this one so far, because it is more of a scalpel than a hammer. Uh, there are exceptions like, cause hospitals use data centers and stuff to keep all that. And this doesn't stop that because they're smaller things. A lot of those already exist. They're not going after the things that, you know, are currently in use. And, uh, yeah, it's, it is nuanced and you don't say that about a lot of bills. Yeah, that's, that's really good. I'm happy you pointed that out because that is kind of part of the reason why it's a 50 megawatt threshold and not the 20 megawatt threshold.

19:48Um, that's actually part of a separate bill that Hochul has yet to sign. And part of that is because those important infrastructures or institutions like hospitals, like you said, they also data center doesn't always mean AI, like data centers existed long before this current moment. It's just this technology is really thirsty and hungry for it. Yeah. But, um, but I do think also, you know, another thing to consider here is, um, you know, Obviously, clearly, this is about protecting residents. There are people who oppose this on the other side who would say, okay, well, great. Now we're setting the state behind when it comes to investments, when it comes to potential jobs, or just kind of cementing its role in the development of AI right now as it stands.

20:36And these moratoriums, does that set the state back? For some people, it's going to rub them the wrong way. For some people, they're like, bring it on. Yeah, I don't know anything about U.S. zoning. I know in my province, in some cases, you do have residential areas close to industrial areas. And that has always depressed prices and stuff. Etobicoke had a meatpacking plant. And some real estate agents would always make sure to do showings on days when it was not operating. And then when they moved in without due diligence, they were very upset. Same with people who move close to the airport, which I have lived my whole life.

21:12and so like you know the city finally cities finally put signs up saying like hey this is an airport flyover area know what you're getting into they're literally big signs on the road and i assume that kind of stuff is coming for data centers for having that impact on the community with the current designs i think in the future like these things will improve to get around rules like this to meet specifications so we'll see how how the nuance plays out Indeed, we will. Google announced a big redesign of Google Images, timed with the 25th anniversary of the image search tool. Oh my gosh, how has it been that long?

21:48Turning what was a straightforward search utility for images into a Pinterest-style feed that's built around visual discovery, personalization, and of course, AI image generation inside the search. Google Images now opens a For You gallery that services a constantly updated stream of images based on user interest and browsing history, if you have that on. Users can save items into named collections and return to those collection boards later, again like Pinterest. The new design is rolling out over the next few weeks to desktop users in the US. Because of the personalization, users will obviously need to be logged into their account to use it.

22:27furthermore google is bringing ai images direction uh generation into ai overviews on search with the latest nano banana model integrated directly that arrives also in the coming weeks for all regions and supports uh the image creation in ai mode yeah so this ai image generates because here's what it kind of sounds like a google felt like 25 years we have an updated google images we We got to give it a nice update. What can we do? Okay, let's go in the Pinterest direction. And honestly, it kind of reminds me of like a year ago with the new Pixels, a year ago, the new Pixel phones. They had an app or still have an app called Screenshots, which basically takes all the screenshots that you take on your phone and kind of organizes and allows for tagging and stuff, which is similar to kind of Pinterest.

23:18So when I saw this, I was like, oh, I wonder if there was a little bit of crossover, like mind meld action happening between those two things because it's very similar. but kind of different applications. But there's that. And then there's this idea that Google, I think where they're coming from is you come to Google Images to look for a thing. And if that thing doesn't exist, stay because you could just use Nano Banana to generate the image that you're looking for. But that's not how I use Google Images. I'm always looking for a very specific thing. I'm not looking for a generic, oh, just make me a picture of a sunset that doesn't exist.

23:49Like I want the image of that app running that feature or whatever the thing is that I went there for. Yeah, I used to use, that is a past tense. I used to use Google Images to try to find the provenance of an image and then TinEye showed up and that was a lot cleaner as to actually giving me the thing I searched for. And that's not a recent problem. That has been an ongoing problem. But that's my use case. I'm not a Pinterest user. For someone like my mom, when that eventually does show up here in Canada, I'm wondering if she'll switch just to keep everything under that Google banner. And also Pinterest has been kind of overrun with AI slop and not a lot of controls for that.

24:30And since Google has been making an effort, I'm not saying the greatest effort, but an effort is more than most in that being able to filter that out, being able with the new watermarking and stuff, it's a little easier for people who aren't looking at the stuff all the time. I can people who are not that capable for being able to sort that out and stop sending me images of, oh, we should get this. And I'm like, doesn't exist. No, we're not getting it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've used Google Images a ton throughout the last 25 years for a whole lot of things. And I'm very used to the way that it works.

25:07And so this is going to be one of those things for me, which is like, change is hard. Change is frustrating, especially for Google. like uh on mobile i get really mad that when i want to switch to reader mode i have to hit the like ai looking button and then make sure i do not hit the giant uh like ask google gemini button and hit this small reader button i'm like guys come on i was like it doesn't make me as mad as when like browsers remove the home button uh like i use shortcuts anyway but i was like how dare you change my ui even though that is what companies have done for my entire life oh yeah they can't help themselves.

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28:11Thanks a lot, Memory Crunch, for the higher prices and lower RAM. But I mean, this is just what we expect at this point, but I still don't like it. But it's where we're at. OpenAI is projecting$100 billion in ad revenue by 2030. But eMarket market, sorry, says the entire chatbot ad market will only hit about$5.4 billion by then, meaning a roughly 90 % miss by OpenAI, if that's true. Not good, Bob. Not good. Also, where are we at here? IBM stock fell 23 % after CEO Arvind Krishna admitted the company faltered in Q2, missing revenue and earnings targets. He blamed customers who shifted spending towards servers and memory instead of software, trying to beat anticipated price hikes, which I kind of understand.

29:05It sounds weird to blame your customers, but I got people who are buying a Switch before September because they want to beat the price hikes. Bad customer, bad. XAI's Grok build coding tool was found secretly uploading entire Git repositories to the cloud, even with improve the model switched to off, that feature, including one test repo that shipped over five gigabytes of code compared to 192 kilobytes of actual traffic, model traffic. CEO Elon Musk says all that upload data will be deleted. So have no fear. Yeah. Companies asking for forgiveness rather than permission, like Meta seeking in code that should not have been there.

29:48But people are keeping an eye on it, trying to look out for you. So we got that for us. Chat GPT is now showing World Cup betting odds from prediction market Calci inside its search results, meaning you can ask about a match like France versus Spain and you'll get an implied win probability. However, you will not be able to place a bet through the chat box. Yet. Maybe someday. I'm just guessing. Anthropic is giving verified K-12 teachers in the U.S. a free year of premium tier CLOD. That includes CLOD Cowork, CLOD Code as well, through a new CLOD for Teachers program that includes a set of teaching skills built with Learning Commons.

30:32CLOD for Teachers. The NSA and a coalition of international partners issued an advisory warning that Russian state hackers tied to the FSB Center 16 are exploiting home and business routers to break into critical infrastructure. So everyone at home, update your firmware, disable outdated SNMP and use a unique password. Please and thank you. Please and thank you. Goodbye. No, but don't go anywhere. There's more show. X tweaked its algorithm to boost posts from your mutuals. That is people you follow who follow you back. So that should make your replies feel a little less like strangers shouting at the moon and each other and more like you're talking to your actual community.

31:16I guess this is a feature that a lot of people on X have been wanting. Now you got it. Which is funny because it used to work like that. I know. That used to just be the way it was. Yeah. Apple's public betas for iOS 27, Mac OS 27, iPadOS 27 and watchOS 27 are now live with the long-awaited update to Siri AI. Apple's also promising up to 30 % faster app launches and 80 % faster airdrop transfers. Okay, go get it. And finally, IDC says China's smartphone shipments fell 4.3 % in Q2, fifth straight quarterly declined, though Huawei grew 20 % and Apple grew 24%. They were bucking the trend entirely because they were holding their prices pretty steady.

32:04So there you go. and finally we end every episode of dtns with some shared perspectives today tony has a response to the experiment week show with roger and you jen about gateway games tony writes i like this experiment it really took me back my first console was an intellivision pong type game it had pong hockey and soccer if i remember correctly all the same game but with a different looking pong paddle and the dot and the line go to different places on the screen that's why it's a different game thank you toady and everyone who checked out uh not just um our show on experiment week but everyone's we've been really uh loving the feedback from that and i'm gonna have to look up this game because i'm trying to figure out hockey with a pong paddle what that would look like i'm thinking like is it going to look like the soccer game where you have like multiple tiers of like, you know, that hand soccer game where you spin the guys.

33:04Yes, yes. Foosball, foosball. Thank you. I knew it had a name somewhere. Okay, there you go. Yeah, very well could. So everyone out there, what are you thinking about? Do you have some insight to a story, some feedback on any of the shows we do? Please share it with us at feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. Yes, please. And thank you to Tony for contributing to today's show. Thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron. It's super easy. Just go to patreon.com slash DTNS. See you tomorrow.

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