DJI Released the Osmo Pocket 4, But Not in the US - DTNS 5249

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2:29this is the daily tech news for thursday april 16th 2026 we tell you what you need to know give you the important context and help each other understand well today andy beach tells us about an ai licensing licensing deal in the works for 2200 publishers and dji released the highly anticipated pocket 4 vlogging camera yeah i've been waiting for it i'm jason howell i'm with it now let's start with what you need to know with a big story dji uh officially launched the osmo pocket 4. this is i would i would say anyways at least in my opinion a very anticipated follow-up update after the pocket 3 which i happen to have right here very good camera became a huge hit among content creators like myself and vloggers, that sort of stuff.

3:20The updated handheld camera, the Pocket 4, again features the gimbal-stabilized one-inch sensor that you had on the previous camera. This time, though, you get 14 stops of dynamic range, so that's, you know, higher dynamic range is a great thing. 4K quality, again, you do have that on the previous, but up to 240 frames per seconds for slow motion capture. So you're going to get real high resolution, real sharp, lots of frames to interpolate through for slow motion. 10-bit D-Log, that's going to appeal to video edit nerds who like to have full capability inside their edit suite. Built-in cinematic color profiles, if you choose to use them.

4:08a two-inch rotating LCD similar to the original, a larger battery, a couple of hundred milliamp hours larger, so 1 ,545 milliamp hour battery, but it does get support for fast charging, which you can get like 80 % charge out of 18 minutes, so that's pretty darn good. And for the first time, you get internal storage, 100 gigs of internal storage, along with the micro SD card slot that you still have on the side like the previous one. The new camera improves on nighttime low light capture. It has a new slow shutter mode, in fact. And then when I got my DJI Pocket 3, I got the creator combo, which is like a whole kit with a whole bunch of other stuff in it that's really useful.

4:56This does have a creator combo as well. But one of the things that stood out to me is it has this little clip-on fill light that snaps right above the camera, that moves with the gimbal, has me a little jealous, not going to lie. But you're probably wondering when, what's the catch, right? Because there's always a catch. What is it? What is it, Jason? And if you're not, I'm telling you there is. At least here in the US, there's a catch because this device has yet to clear FCC certification. That's due to the company being added to the agency's covered list at the White House. If you remember, they put a bunch of Chinese companies on the covered list.

5:38This happened back in December 2025 over White House concerns involving national security. Now, in the UK, if that's where you happen to be, buyers can find the base model right now. Starts at 445 British pounds sterling. The creator combo, 549 British pounds sterling. so finally we get the update although here in the us we don't we just have to wait it won't wah it's out but you can't get it yet yet i think that's the important part like do i think that we're never going to be able to get it in the us like i don't obviously i don't know for certain but i have a hunch probably going to be able to at some point uh what is so i it's it's i i know you've really loved your your dj your osmo pocket 3.

6:23i actually recommended it to a couple of uh friends of mine who do their own content and they've all loved it if if there was one feature or is there rather a feature that would make you want to shell out the extra whatever that price may be presumably in usd if and when it comes to the us what would it be what would be the is there something that would make you that is making you want to switch other than the fill light yeah i mean definitely the fill light would be useful um seriously it's one of the things that And I'm like, oh, dang. And probably there's some sort of an attachment or third-party solution to attach onto here.

6:57But I've definitely found myself in situations where I'm like, do I want to carry along a big, large fill and figure out a contraption behind the camera for it to have that? I mean, low-light performance, I think, is going to be one of those things that on a regular recurring daily basis when you're using these cameras. I mean, my experience with the Pocket 3 is the more I used it, the more I found reason to use it. And then I would, every once in a while, I would run into a situation, low light being one of those things where it's like, okay, maybe this is one of those things where it's not quite as good as it possibly could be.

7:33And this seems to pay a little bit closer attention to that. So I give it a lot of props for that. Also, the wider dynamic range. Do I feel, though, that with the Pocket 3, I have to rush out and trade up for the 4? I'm not really feeling that right now, as excited as I am. It's kind of a... The 3 is great quality. It's a great camera. I still use it. I still love it. That doesn't change even though there's a 4. But I look at the 4 and I'm like, if I was in the market and I didn't already have this, absolutely, I'd be getting the 4. Does it feel like, I mean, and I don't personally know like the whole story about adoption of the Pocket 3.

8:11It just feels like I've seen it so much, especially, I mean, like, of course you. Does it feel like any of the improvements are specifically like, maybe this is a silly question, but do you feel like they are creator, like creator bumps, like kind of watching how creators have adopted this? Do you think like how many of these are specifically geared towards creators and how maybe the Pocket 3 has been used over the last, How long have I been around? Like four years? Three years? Feels that way. Yeah, probably three years would be my guess. I didn't look it up before Showtime. I mean, there's a lot of stuff here that is going to inherently be appealing, you know, appeal to creators.

8:46I think the device in general is just kind of designed for creators of mine. So having that low light, having that internal storage, which is actually another feature that I like because on the 3, you do have the micro SD. If you forget to put one in there and you go out on location, you bring the camera. It's happened to me one time where I brought it and I'm like, all right, let's go. Oh, wait a minute. Never mind. You know, and at least with the internal storage, you're not up the creek, not being able to shoot your footage with it. I mean, it just feels like a device that DJI has really created for the creator community.

9:21And I mean, I'll tell you, like I've been to a ton of events since I've had mine. And it's kind of like that effect where when you buy, when you're in the market for a car, suddenly you start seeing that car everywhere. And now when I go to events, I mean, I see these things everywhere. Everybody's got it. Everybody has their own unique kind of system and kind of mounting system. I have my own unique mounting system that I've created because they're very just flexible and they're super compact and portable. And you just kind of like, like you can just keep it in your pocket and then pull it out and use it.

9:51And you do get better quality than you might get out of your smartphone, just on a whim. So I think at the end of the day, they are really built with creators in mind. And I think DJI continues to put out a strong product from that perspective. Well, then I guess we'll have to just wait and see when it'll be available in the US and then start. Is it Bader Meinhof, where if you hear about a thing, then you start seeing that thing everywhere, even though maybe... Is that the name of it? it better mine off like frequency illusion where it's just now that you notice it something like that but maybe maybe now that we're looking for it we'll start having a little better mine hoff or frequency illusion about the osmo pocket four but yeah i know when i'm at an event and i see it i'll be like oh can i see that you know what i mean i'll be very curious to get it in my hands and see it up close uh well probably sounds like dji is having another hit on its hand at least nascent hit hit except in the us so we'll see but yeah i'm excited to see it like if you ever get it I'm excited to hear if you note any specific changes other than the fill light.

10:50But, yeah, really nice camera. All right. Well, it's time for us to take a little bit of time to thank you guys because DTNS is made possible by you, the listener. So thank you to Jeffrey Zilks, Alo, Adam L., Philip Less, and Andrew Dotson. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, guys.

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14:29All right, there's plenty more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. All right, well, YouTube has officially rolled out the ability to eliminate shorts from your feed on your smartphone or tablet. It's done by setting your shorts feed time limit to zero minutes, which in turn hides all short form video content from your mobile feed. This builds on a shorts timer that YouTube launched last October, which at the time only allowed a minimum of 15 minutes before being prompted to take a break from watching shorts. And earlier this year, YouTube integrated those timelines for younger users and shared that a zero-minute option was coming.

15:02Now that option is live for all users, not just parents. Yeah, there's something about how this is done. Like, I get it. The idea is like, you know, from like a – what was the feature on Android where they allowed you to start setting app time limits? Yeah. Digital well-being. Digital detox well-being. Yeah, from a digital well-being standpoint, I get it. you know the shorts some people feel like they can be sucked into the algorithm on shorts and spent and suddenly you've spent two hours and so this is a way to kind of trim it down at the same time what youtube is not doing here is they're not giving you a switch that says turn off shorts they're giving you a way in the kind of uh digital well-being settings of this app to say i want a time limit of zero and for some reason in my head i just think that's kind of funny it's like YouTube not saying, oh, we understand people don't want to see shorts.

15:56They're giving you the option. You just kind of have to know how they're wording it and how they're presenting it in order to benefit from it. Dude, that's exactly my 100 % response to this. It's like they're copying to the idea that shorts and infinite scrolling or just short attention span and short form content that people are concerned and that they know people want to turn it off, but that there's something, whether that's like concern about brand damage, concern about like maybe detracting from a feature or some kind of like really positive, like let's be, let's be positive about this framing and making it zero minutes.

16:35And I, I do, I, I a hundred percent agree with you. As soon as I thought it was zero minutes, I was like, well, number one, that's a little too opaque to me because I think most people like us tech savvy users, people that listen to this show, they will understand and probably, and probably find it. I think if you're just a regular person who isn't as tapped in as we are, but that has concerns about content, I feel like this is just on the side of being a little too opaque and hard to find. Like, like the thing that people we want to do is to be able to eliminate certain kinds of content. And this is just, it's just a little, it's just like just a little too opaque to me for the average user.

17:11And, and, but, but I, I, I feel a sort of a little bit of sympathy because I also could see a world where, especially having been working in software development this this makes sense to someone i'm sure there's someone out there that that thinks that this is a reasonable approach to address this problem but again it might come from a more tech technical engineering product development perspective as opposed to a human one so i i that was the first thing i thought of when i read this dude absolutely 100 i was like you guys could have called it something different like turn off shorts easy A little switch.

17:44A little switch. Oh, I think I will turn that off. No, nope. We don't want people turning it off. But if they really want to, well, they can go to their time management settings, in their settings in the app, daily limits, then shorts feed limit, and then put zero. And you do all those things, and you have earned no shorts in your feed. I think it's pretty funny. Yes. But hey, you know what? If it works, it works. And for the people who really do not want shorts in their feeds anymore, there you go. go anthropic launched clod opus 4.7 so the previous version was opus 4.6 so it's just one one measly point update uh they say of course as they always say it's most powerful model but important to note the difference here most powerful generally available model that anthropic offers the model update ships with built-in safeguards and uh those automatically detect and block high risk risk, cybersecurity risks or requests, the kinds that its most powerful and publicly unavailable model, which is Claude Mythos, which we've definitely talked about, is capable of executing, supposedly.

18:53Anthropic says that 4.7 is, quote, less broadly capable, end quote, than Mythos and acts as a testing ground for the safeguards that it will eventually need before any sort of broad Mythos-level public release. So it's kind of like they're saying, you know what, we know Mythos is capable of all these things. We want this model to be a testing ground to see how it can kind of work with those capabilities or prevent against some of those capabilities, that sort of stuff. Security professionals can apply for access through Anthropics' new cyber verification program, as they called it, for legitimate use cases like penetration testing, red teaming, that sort of stuff.

19:34some have also pointed out that the model has a new tokenizer which is important to know if you don't know kind of like tokens you know basically equate to money essentially when you're using these things and in this case it processes the same input text into more tokens so more money this is per anthropics documentation they say that should result in improved text processing and model performance, but that also means up to 35 % more expensive runs. So I'm guessing, Wynn, this is not the model that you activate when you want to draft an email. Probably not. Probably not. I might be wrong on this because I'm not an expert on LLMs, but kind of in the early days, I think last year or maybe the year before last, there was kind of this common thing that people would do to basically try to illustrate the difference between an llm and what we might think of as like maybe normal human beings as a general intelligence where if you ask this was like a year and a half ago it's probably it's i know it's i know it's different now like to ask say chat gpt how many r's are there in strawberry and it couldn't do it because it would tokenize on a word so it under it the token it sees is strawberry and unlike a human being that can, you know, you can tokenize it into S-T-R-A-W-B-E-R-R-Y.

20:57It took me a second there. The LLM understands it as just a single token. So that way, so for a while, it actually couldn't answer that question because it wasn't able to break that concept up into smaller tokens. And so that's an example of why, I might be getting this wrong, but I'm pretty sure that this is kind of why more tokens are in fact better for processing and help, you know, this current style of AI, this particular AI technology, perform better. And as you can see, just from that small example, you can see, oh, how that might open things up. But yes, more expensive, which is kind of mind-blowing to me.

21:31And I've mentioned this before that a lot of companies, especially software companies, are evaluating people and how many tokens they spend. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and I have a lot of criticisms of that, but it's also leading to some incredible bills that people are racking up on a monthly basis, just trying to use as many tokens as possible. And I just can't imagine the hilarity. I mean, again, as you mentioned, this is like very specific. Like, wait, is this? Yeah. So this is like, I think it's just, the financial economic impacts of this are just insane to me. And I just wonder how many people at these companies are gonna be turning on this new model or this new kind of more improved tokenization and letting the bills rack up.

22:13Because actually right now - Because who cares? Yeah, well, at my work, when I pick my Claude model, it actually shows, like, for the more advanced models, how much more a month it is. So it's so fascinating to have these weird, like, economic decisions in my, like, this kind of, like, decision in my life. And then knowing that people are actually picking the more expensive option and just letting those bills rack up. So it's really fascinating because there is, like, a definite correlation between more expensive, more processing power. But, man, is it more money. It is a weird world we live in right now, y 'all.

22:46Yeah, people immediately jump to the, well, if I immediately go with the highest tier, or the more expensive has got to be better, right? And it doesn't necessarily always work out that way. No. Like sometimes it can kind of work in the opposite direction too. But yeah, it's a different mindset, I think. So yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah, we'll just see how it all pans out. but um yeah uh anthropic staying busy well vivo's x300 ultra is now officially the company's first ever global flagship targeting video videographers and camera aficionados with a zeiss tuned triple lens system at 14 millimeters 35 millimeters and 85 millimeter millimeter equivalents it has dual 200 megapixel cameras and support for 4k 120 fps 10-bit log video aside from being flagship level on the internal specifications on the internal specification side of things it supports a specialized video rig attachment that includes a camera cage dual hand grips physical shutter and zoom controls as well as a cooling fan along with a zeiss telephoto extended gen 2 ultra lens attachment that pushes the 85 millimeter lens to a 400 millimeter equivalent it literally looks like a small camera once you put all this stuff on it pricing is undisclosed at this time but it's important to note that global release does not mean global big asterisk that does not mean that we will see this phone in the u.s canada or the uk certain european markets parts of asia and brazil will however see its release sometime soon yeah we just continue to see more and more of these oh it's a phone that you can put this ginormous lens screw it into place and it just it continues to not look it continues to not look normal slash look weird every time I see it maybe at some point it'll be normalized for me you know I and I continue to question and guess like okay it's super neat I love I love innovation in phones and companies taking risks and everything but who is getting this for that like I mean maybe clearly the market exists because they keep doing this but it just kind of surprises me it's like what it's it's in a million different pieces so anytime i want to use it i have to like piece it all together and like i was at mobile world congress last year not this year and i saw a couple of these in person and man i can't remember the name of the company off the top of my head but one of them like when they brought out the phone it was in a suitcase because the phone with the attachments took up that much space and i'm like okay well it's not a phone anymore.

25:22Like, why are we pretending here? Yeah. I always wonder that because like, you know, I think when was it that I think there's been a lot of movies that were shot on iPhones. And I think where was one company that had Francis Ford Coppola shoot like a movie using them. So I feel like that, that, that from that perspective, it's like trying to show that modern smartphones have such compelling cameras that you could consider to shoot a movie with it. But this is something different. This is like, if you want a serious camera maybe your phone can fill that void and i i just don't know if it's like the same thing because i i think it's something like novel and also maybe like an aesthetic thing if you want to use a smartphone to shoot a movie but yeah i don't yeah who is this for like that that's a very legitimate question like films maybe it's for like film students they're like oh so so okay we don't have the budget for a large scale you know camera camera might get in hollywood but this gets us closer than we were before i truly have no idea but at the same time like i don't want it to sound like i'm negative on this at all i think it's really cool that these companies do this and everything i'm just so curious where it leads i mean yeah we'll see it's just really funny because the the body of it is not a camera body it's a phone so you have all this yeah it's it's just like is it balanced like do you i don't understand but yeah no it's definitely really cool maybe maybe we'll be the fuddy duddies and in a year all the kids will be having having these like cinematic cameras what if what if in a couple of years we have these because they become so normalized that this is just the standard for smartphones totally possible right i'm gonna need a bigger bag you guys to carry this thing around all right y 'all do you have thoughts on the show would you like a cinematic phone instead of a phone that can shoot video i don't know well we need your help and do you have other thoughts on the show itself?

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28:30All right, we got a few quick headlines that are just good to know. Might make you look smarter in the future. All right. Well, Canva launched the new research preview of Canva AI 2.0, a fully agentic design system that includes conversational design, persistent memory, automated scheduling, and third-party app and service connectors. It's all moving in that direction, isn't it? Anthropic launched government ID and selfie verification for Claude. Did this kind of quietly. Might not even have known about it. Only for some users, and it is the first major AI chatbot to require such verification.

29:05Well, Meta is raising Quest 3 prices by$100 up to$600 and Quest 3S prices by$50 up to$350 starting on April 19th, citing the unsurprising global memory chip shortage as the reason for the increase. Yeah, we need like a spoken macro for global chip shortage that we just like slash M for memory or something and everybody just hears that because we say it a lot. Apple's 2025 environmental progress report shows the company hit a record 30 % recycled content across all of its shipped products. Good going. Good job there, Apple. Well, according to Windows Central, Microsoft has reportedly killed production of its Surface Hub 3 50-inch and 85-inch models and scrap plans for a Surface Hub 4 follow-up.

29:55Okay. Well, speaking of Microsoft, also, Microsoft reportedly planning to refresh its Surface laptops this spring with Intel Core Ultra 5 and 7 models, followed by Snapdragon X2 Plus and X2 Elite devices coming later this summer. That's reportedly so. Well, Roku said it hit 100 million global streaming households this month and is now running on more than one third of North American televisions and half of all U.S. broadband households. Doing all right. Yeah, go Roku. Goku Roku. Goku Roku. And thanks to R.W. Nash and the subreddit for this one. A New York jury ruled Wednesday that Live Nation and its subsidiary Ticketmaster illegally maintained an anti-competitive monopoly over large concert venues.

30:46In a major case that actually began a couple of years ago in 2024. All right. Well, those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper. Yeah, big publishers like the New York Times, like News Corp, have been cutting multimillion dollar AI deals. But what about the other, you know, 2200 news outlets out there? Well, Andy Beach says a new deal is trying to build the infrastructure that might finally get them a seat at the table. Andy Beach, welcome back to Daily Tech News Show. Hey, Tom, good to see you again. I am hoping this will end up paying me, but I doubt it will. Tell us what's going on with the News Media Alliance.

31:24Yeah. So the News Media Alliance is sort of an aggregator of multiple smaller news outlets that is out there. And they have stuck a deal with Bria, one of the AI startups and a model maker, to allow the 2 ,200 members publish and get paid for the content that is helping train that system. It is an opt-in collective deal. So who are Bria's clients? Where would this content end up being used? So a lot of this is smaller market news sources that will be out there, but it also covers some entertainment spaces that are as well. I mean, you called out it sort of falls below the level of what a Reuters or a New York Times or the Associated Press would be.

32:15But there's a lot of markets out there, and they have both national and international coverage as part of that. So those would be the kinds of news sources that would be going into Bria's models. But then do we know who uses Bria's models? I haven't seen a lot of details around exactly what their core customer profile is. But I know that they are certainly out there looking for deals in this space. I haven't seen anywhere where they've made deals with the larger publishers. So I think this is them looking to aggregate and collect in a broader range of those sort of mid-tier news sources that they can use both for content training and ultimately for RAG, for augmented data collection.

33:04Okay. So this is not for somebody doing a competitive search engine to Google. This is for a company that needs to gather intelligence, where somebody is saying, I don't know what kinds of businesses, but we need to use this for our consultancy or for our corporate strategy. And so is that right? Is that what RAG enterprise systems are? Yeah, I mean, so it would be a way of, I mean, it'll do two things. First, it'll improve the communication that their model has, because it'll have a lot more content that is human-derived and sourced. But then the content that's in it, looking sort of quickly, it looks like a lot of legal financial services and healthcare industries are BRIA customers already today, which means that as they find those new sources, they'll now have a place that they can go fetch and retrieve cited sourced information, which again is sort of the thing that we're always wanting.

34:07We know that models have a tendency to hallucinate and make up facts when we don't ask questions the right way. So this is a way for Bria to halt that and have a cited source that they can reputably back up and point the user to on the other end to ensure that that data is more solid. So it helps them better as a business serve their customers, and it ultimately helps the content creators themselves and the News Media Alliance folks because it gives them a reliable income source. They'll get payments every citation, effectively. Okay. So, yeah, let's talk a little more about that. Like, should I sign up Daily Tech News Show to the NMA somehow, which I doubt is going to happen?

34:51How would I get paid? Yeah. So it looks like one of the things that they are certainly setting up is this notion of a RAG system, a retrieval augmented generation, which means that they will source across all of the partners in this alliance looking for data that matches and answers the questions that the users are giving. If you get cited, they'll be able to tabulate that and they'll come back and you'll get effectively like a royalty off of that, similar to what you would do with like a Google search back in the day for for being able to say that, you know, you helped answer or solve this question.

35:29Gotcha. Do we think this, you know, in your opinion, do you think this could be a model if it does well? So it's not the first time we've even seen this. In fact, the first time I read this, I thought it was old news. But then I realized after I went back, we had talked a couple months ago about Microsoft setting up a system where any publisher could come in and register in their system to allow Bing to become an AI source for them. And they were doing some payments off of it. The model there was slightly different, but that was just one company. This is Bria, the model maker, the LLM themselves, putting it together so that any of their customers can now take advantage of this collective data in conjunction with their LLM.

36:15So I do think there's like, I think collective licensing is an important one, because obviously, it's very like those big deals like a Reuters or an AP, those kinds of deals take a long time to sort out. There's a lot of lawyers involved. And you're not going to be able to do that as a smaller like, you know, Daily Tech News Show is never going to have enough power to go in and have a conversation with Bria or OpenAI or anyone else to have that conversation. but you could take advantage of a collective licensing model that's been set up to potentially contribute. Your payout may not be as big, but it gives you an onboarding way to get into it.

36:54So I do think we're probably going to keep seeing more of these. Yeah. It feels like there might even be some startup ideas in there for collecting the publishers that are even smaller than NMA members as well. Yeah. Yeah. And I think even long-term, you could go beyond that and say that there's likely places that will, even if you're not a traditional newsmaker, there will probably be places that collect like you can opt in your social media in such a way that you perhaps maybe don't get a payment, but get some sort of reward or benefit back for contributing back to the model. Well, when that startup hits, I'm sure we're going to read about it on Engines of Change.

37:33Let folks know where they can find what you do, Andy. So I write about the intersection of media and AI technology constantly on my sub stack. it is called engines of change.ai thanks man thanks tom thank you andy thank you andy and tom uh appreciate you yeah this is just this continues to be a real challenge that needs to be figured out uh certainly working in that direction i'll be curious i kind of wish i could go into a time machine like five years from now like okay where did the dust settle on this one because it keeps going back and forth but yeah i feel like ai impacts everything but it feels like a lot of the movers and shakers that are making the most moves are like the big like big huge companies and so it's like the can we say like the regular people the regular companies like not gigantic huge brands that i feel like it's so up in the air for what the rest of us are going to be doing so um totally yeah same i just want to i just want to peek in the future and see how this all works out um yeah and then yeah maybe play the lotto with my peek in the future so maybe i'll stay with a lot of uh every episode of dtness with some shared perspectives today tj has a reaction to an email tom read on the editor's desk that's a show tom does as a subscriber perk by the way where someone had asked about android app development it's kind of perfect for today having you here win all right well tj writes i'm not sure why folks are saying why folks saying developing for android is more expensive we don't do a lot of mobile development but i don't see Android as being more expensive than iOS development.

39:03They are about on par from my experience. I'm the iOS guy and my colleague is the Android guy. Both seem to take the same amount of work. What do you think about that? Have you developed much for iOS versus Android? I used to. And that was like 10, 15 years ago. So I will say that TJ, I think in a very raw way, I agree with you it is very hard to give you the most precise answer in like dollars per hour of developer experience um cost but i would say i think that's really fair it's not that android is more expensive or that i s is more expensive i would say roughly they're the same so the the the i guess i suppose to i guess leak the content that that tom wrote on the tom read on the editor's desk is basically the question of why AI hasn't made it so that why don't we have more?

39:58So it originates from the idea, from this fact that a lot of times, and Jason, you're very well aware of this, that a lot of times Android apps tend not to exist when there might be an iOS app in general. Android has always felt like kind of like second string when it comes to app development. Maybe we'll get there someday. Maybe. Maybe we'll get there someday. And so I think the posit was that is this because Android development is more expensive? And that's why companies tend to just do iOS first. I just strongly disagree with that other than the fact that it just costs twice as much. It costs twice as much to have an iOS and Android app because you need literally another set of developers.

40:34In terms of expense, if I may say, that's really the only reason is that iOS and Android are still quite different enough that you, to be the most effective and to have a high quality production app that you expect to be able to scale, you still, even in this age of AI, require people that understand the platform, like each platform in and of themselves for like the best output. AI is not good enough yet to just say, hey, like to a certain level of scale and quality. AI is still not good enough for us to just say, make me an iOS app, make me an Android app and never think about it again. I am using AI extensively at work.

41:13And while it is getting very good and surprisingly good, I still need to review the code. And part of what I need to do is understand my particular platform, like the pitfalls, things for like performance, other things that are kind of outside the purview, like user experience and all those all these other kind of things that don't necessarily show up strictly in the code. Like what kind of things tend to create crashes for people? What are things that might cause like slowness for people? I need to understand all that and be able to review the code, all of the code that AI is generating for me within the context of Android.

41:46And I actually asked an iOS colleague of mine, so, hey, dude, do you think that, how good do you think AI is at iOS? And he basically gave me the same answer, like, it's really good, but he still needs to look after it. He still needs to check it. He still needs to review it. And so by that regard, no, AI cannot just make Android and iOS, you know, one effort. You still need people with individualized knowledge to review. And that's kind of like the problem that we're having now with AI and software. People are telling you that you can write entire apps with just a single prompt. And while that is true,

42:21we haven't been living with AI generated code in production level apps for a long time. I will share very honestly that I have heard a colleague say that they have had a lot more averages in the last month than they had in all of last year because of the volume of code and the limitations of human beings and experts to be able to efficiently and completely review that code so we're in a really bit of a weird spot where ai is getting really good at coding but again you still need human eyeballs and so android isn't more expensive it's just literally another platform you have to develop for yeah and traditionally ios has always been ahead because either a lot of designers tend to be iOS users, so they're less familiar with Android, so they tend to just go with what they know, which is fair and reasonable.

43:07iOS was first. iOS had a better pickup for many years, though not for several years. Android has been the number one mobile OS for several years. But it's just a lot of it is historical bias and historical just history as to why a lot of times you'll have it. So anyway, sorry. That was my rant. Not more expensive. AI is not ready yet. And thank you so much, though, everybody, for your thoughts and questions. So, yeah. Anyway, what are you guys thinking about? Do you have some insight? Please share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Yes, indeed. Thank you, Andy Beach. Thank you, TJ, for your thought-provoking feedback there and contributing to today's show.

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