Gemini Agents Are Coming to Chrome - DTNS 5108

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2:42I do not like it. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Jen Cutter. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. Google is rolling out a major update to Chrome in the coming weeks that will bring the browser closer to what some competitors like Perplexity, OpenAI, they've got it, have been doing with their own AI-driven browser experiences. And as I describe this, some of you might say, oh, I think I already have that. And that's true because if you are a paid AI pro or AI ultra subscriber, then you've probably seen the integration of that little Gemini star into the top right corner of the Chrome browser for a little while, I think a few months at this point.

3:27Well, the news here is that Google is now rolling that button out for all desktop users of Chrome here in the US anyways. Not sure about Canada, Jen, hopefully soon. Maybe that's part of this, but I didn't see it. This enables users to fire off queries related to the contents of individual tabs. So you can do the standard things like summarizations, Q &A, if you want to ask questions about what you're looking at, deeper integrations with Google's apps like Calendar, YouTube, that sort of stuff. And it also works with multiple open tabs at once. So you can kind of still keep working inside of the tab that you currently have open, but still reference some of the others that might be off on the side.

4:12Some other features coming, AI mode will now be integrated into the browser. So users can ask about this page straight from the Omnibar and you'll get AI mode results that actually appear in their own side panel that kind of slides out. If you're on iOS, users will soon see Gemini integrations appearing inside the Chrome app there as well. If you're on Android, you already have Gemini kind of integrated into the OS. And And so this is kind of how they're getting it into the iOS experience on a deeper level. And then, well, let's start there. Let's start there. And then we can talk a little bit about the agentic news of this.

4:50Is this something that you've used at all, Jen? Because I know this button's been there for a while. Like I said, I am a paid user of Gemini. And so I've seen it there and I've used it off and on. But I'm curious to hear your thoughts on whether you'd even want to use something like that. I have not seen it. It's like when I open Gmail on the web, it will remind me. It's like, hey, hey, look at this button. You can click this button. We can do stuff with your email. But I haven't seen it in the browser. Now I do a ton of research, like not just for news. I'm not an academic, but I work on some projects and some documentaries.

5:24So I do a ton of research. I post on social media every once in a while when I close like 1700 tabs. So I am that person where this sounds useful to me. But I tend to use a lot of this stuff in Firefox, not just the AI, but just the tabs in Firefox because Firefox has a much better way of searching open tabs compared to Chrome. So I wonder if this would start to level that playing field a little bit. Yeah, possibly so. I don't have a whole lot of firsthand experience, at least in the last handful of years with Firefox to know how to compare between the two. I mean, I think my experience with that little Gemini button inside of Chrome is that as with everything AI, there is no certainty around what you're actually going to get, right?

6:10Exactly. Sometimes you turn to it and it gives you exactly what you're looking for. And you're like, oh, that was incredibly handy. And it was integrated into the browser. Wow. You know, look at me saving 0.5 seconds in my life. And then other times you do it and you spend more time negotiating with it, reframing how you ask the question or whatever, you know, ultimately to maybe eventually get the answer that you're looking for. But it took you like three times as long to get there. And so there's a little bit, you know, as with anything generative AI and AI analysis and all that, you know, you get what you get half the time, maybe three quarters of the time.

6:48And the other quarter ends up making you feel like you paid the price for it. Yeah. When I get a weird message from family or hockey teams, I'll just send them a text being like, hey, so is this what you meant or did autocomplete fix this for you? And then I'll go back and it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that date doesn't exist. Let me send another message to the group. I'm like, okay, good. Let's show up on the right day. Uh-huh. Yeah. There can be a little bit of a tell at this point when AI is getting involved. And as users of these tools, sometimes it's easy to just get the thing and be like, oh, well, it's good enough.

7:25And you put it out there and you don't find out until later that, oh, it was not in fact good enough. And now somebody knows. Yeah. Anyways. There are other features like I alluded to. Some of the bigger changes will be coming later this year. And this is part of the reason why I wanted to kind of flag this for a big story discussion here, because Chrome, I have felt, has been kind of, as Google has done with AI in general the last handful of years, kind of lagging behind what some of the upstarts are doing, right? Perplexity has its current browser. Open AI has its, I'm suddenly blanking on the name of it, but they have their own agentic browser.

8:03Anthropic has their agentic plugin or extension rather for Chrome operator. That's OpenAI. And so a lot of these up and comers, even though they're major companies, have been integrating and moving towards this agentic browser experience ahead of Google that, by the way, happens to have Chrome, which is a massively popular browser. But now apparently Chrome is moving toward that agentic AI experience with features coming later this year. like performing tasks between windows on behalf of the user. So you could think like booking appointments or ordering groceries or whatever, that sort of stuff and contextualizing between all these things while you're working on the main window that you're in.

8:48And it's unclear if there's going to be an additional cost for these features. You have to imagine it's costly to do these things, to execute these things. But yeah, I think it makes sense that Chrome would eventually get there. I'm happy to see that Google is finally announcing that. Yeah. Like my gut reaction is, oh, I don't know if I would trust it to do these sort of things, but I thought of a different angle like five minutes ago. And it was, this could be really helpful for those of us with some level of executive dysfunction, because I saw in the, the animated feature that they had as the example for the groceries, it's like, hey, bring this stuff to a party.

9:29And then you ask Gemini to, hey, make this a grocery list. and made this list. It went to Instacart. It searched everything individually. It put it all in the cart, but it didn't press go, which was the part that I was really afraid of. So it did that first bit for you, which starting is the hardest thing with executive dysfunction. And then going back to fix it for some reason for my brain as well. It's just much easier to go back and fix like, oh no, I want this mushrooms, not that mushrooms. And then press go. And like that does save time. That does save brain power. that does save frustration in your day.

10:03And I was like, okay, I can kind of finally see where this has an actual use case. Yeah, that's a really great point. I hadn't really considered that because I would look at my own kind of behavior in professional life and whatever. And I certainly suffer from that too, where sometimes just getting started with a thing is a mountain for me. It's a mountainous Herculean task. Yeah, you build it up so big. And then it takes you five minutes and then you spend the rest of the day mad that you didn't do it earlier. Yeah, totally. But that getting started piece is always the real challenge for me, not from a motivation standpoint, but just from an overwhelmed standpoint.

10:40It's like, I know where I want this to be, but really kind of kicking this off and going from blank slate to something that I can then kind of, you know, mold together like a piece of clay. That's, that's, and honestly, when I look at the way that I use AI tools, that's largely how I end up using them. I don't use them as the solution beginning to end to the thing I'm doing, but rather a great starting point. Here's a rough draft or here's a entry level baseline to begin with. That's something better than blank page syndrome, you know? And so that could be really helpful. Yeah. If any of you out there are using it like this, do send us a message, feedback at dailytechnewshow.com because I would love to hear it.

11:22Yeah. And before, just real quick, before we move on, you mentioned trust. And I think trust is a really important part of this too. And I think it's probably one of the bigger hurdles that agentic AI, as it becomes more mainstreamed, is going to face. And, you know, people are going to have to learn through probably experience and there will be bumpy roads along the way too, to get them to that learning point. But they're going to have to learn to trust that these things can do their bidding for them or whatever you want to call it. And that it's not going to make a horrible decision that you end up regretting later because it did it for you.

12:01And yeah, I mean, a few days ago on the show, we talked briefly about Google's agent payments protocol, which is kind of along the lines here, Google building this protocol so that people can learn to trust the agents more on how they manage transactions and money and all that kind of stuff. We're going to need a lot more thinking and reassurance around that for people to really buy into the agentic future of AI. DTNS is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to John Atwood, Pat, Mike Cortez, and our new patron. Welcome to Antoine. Oh yeah. Welcome Antoine. Good to have you here.

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15:47All right, there's more we need to know today. Let's get right to the briefs. Earlier this week, Tom Merritt shared that he believed OpenAI was hiring people with robotics expertise that would lead to a robot product coming from the company. Now, the information reports that the company is teaming up with Luxshare, an Apple device assembler to build pocket-sized AI devices that work closely with its models. People with direct knowledge of the matter shared that the company was considering glasses, a digital voice recorder, and a wearable pin to be their first products. Tom shared his hot take with us this morning.

16:23He thinks this might be a smokescreen after all, and that OpenAI still has what it needs to bring an AI robot to market, not necessarily humanoid, but a robot nonetheless? I mean, this is just a really big question that we have right now. Having Johnny Ive on the team, you know, they're going to create something that's notable, that's noteworthy, obviously coming from a company that has a tremendous amount of mind share and proven experience the last couple of years with OpenAI. So, you know, they're going to, they're not working on some random throwaway thing, or maybe it ends up being random and throw away, but I give them a little more credit than just throwing something together.

17:02I would agree with Tom. I think they're probably, I would guess, going to try and create something that another company with maybe less resources, less brain power, less creativity, as is offered to them with a relationship with Johnny Ivan team, has the ability to do. And, you know, robotics is a huge part of the future of AI and where it's all leading. I could totally see it. What do you think? I think it would be really funny if they announced a pin and then did the, and one more thing and it's like, oh, this pin controls your new robot. Just tap on your shoulder and it brings you a drink. Like tap on your pin on your shoulder.

17:47Yeah, I would be surprised if they started small here. It's not a company that wants to start small. They want to promise the moon and then maybe make the delivery on that later. Yeah, that's a really good point. I don't see them starting small either. But what does that mean from a time schedule? Is this something that we see next year or the year after? And if that's the case, what are the competitors doing? We see a lot of glasses happening right now. Does OpenAI just come out with another pair of glasses? I don't think so. I think they really want to set themselves apart. I never thought I'd say glasses is a crowded market, but it kind of feels like it's a crowded market all of a sudden.

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19:10Pricing is flexible. And Mastodon says the European Commission and several government organizations are already clients of the new service. So you get that bag, Mastodon. I am a Mastodon supporter. And so I put my account on Mastodon.social because I did not want the responsibility for moderation. I can run my own server. I don't want to. I don't want to need to designate a DMCA agent and all that stuff. So if you can give Mastodon money that supports Mastodon and covers all those bases for you, I think that's going to be huge for bringing more people to Mastodon and definitely those organizations too.

19:50Because people don't consider like Blue Sky legitimate until like sports teams and all that stuff started showing up on there. So like Mastodon needs that pull as well to not just have the InfoSec people on it. Yeah, totally. It's a really good point. You are a Mastodonian. Is that a word that exists already? I don't know. We can make it a thing. Well, let's see what happens. We just put it out there and let the universe take it. We are Mastodonians. At MetaConnect's 2025 keynote, Mark Zuckerberg encountered two awkward demo fails while showing off their new smart glasses. Now Meta is sharing why those failures happened.

20:26In the first instance, the phrase, hey Meta, start live AI, activated every pair of Meta Ray-Ban glasses at the event. overwhelming the development server. In other words, a self-inflicted DDoS. The second glitch involved a WhatsApp video call demo where a rare bug put the display to sleep, which prevented Zuckerberg from answering the call on stage. Meta CTO Andrew Bosworth shared that both issues were demo specific and not product failures. He also shared that fixes to those issues are now in place. And I straight up laughed out loud, but I found that that was the reason I was like, right. Because they had locked down the environment.

21:06So it was only in there, but then everyone in there in that environment got hit by that command. Oh boy. That's a weird one to overlook too. When you have the resources of a meta, I'm sure Google's encountered this so many times, the, hey, gee, which is all I'll say here so we don't fire off other devices. But that happening at events, like, yeah. How many times have I been at an event for Google and suddenly my phone wakes up when they're doing a demo and stuff? Just the fact that that can overwhelm the system, like there's so many of them lighting up and it just crumbles under the process. They did a test and then they said, yeah, when we did the test, we didn't have so many glasses in there.

21:45So it never came up as a problem. And I was like, listen, like we've all been to, again, you've been to the Google events. I've been to CES and E3s where the demo that works perfectly and tested perfectly, all of a sudden there's people in the room and it just, it knows there's an audience and chooses then to die. Not to mention it's so easy to blame the Wi-Fi. That's what we go to usually when, you know, that's what I go to when I'm watching a demo. And I will also say I am one to really sympathize with someone when they're encountering that on stage because, man, does it suck when you're up in front of a bunch of people or you're doing a live show or whatever.

22:19And yeah, you're just dying inside. They're like, oh my God, this didn't go nearly as I planned. It really stinks. Well, maybe we'll see something like this from Samsung. Speaking of AI glasses, Samsung is expected to announce an upcoming event where its Project Wuhan VR headset, as well as a pair of AI smart glasses, might finally be unveiled. Also expected at this event would be its highly anticipated Galaxy Z trifold smartphone. That's its triple screen foldable phone. So it's happening almost, I suppose. A number of Korean news sites are all reporting that September 29th would be the date of an upcoming Unpacked event, which is 10 days away from now.

23:09So that's right around the corner if that's true. Samsung has not yet announced this officially, but it does sound like there's more and more murmurs of this like upcoming Unpacked event with some really kind of kind of cutting edge new hardware coming from Samsung. I keep hearing things about like, oh, a trifold smartphone. And it just, it sounds so Star Trek to me. Like, yeah, I've seen pictures. I know that there are other trifolds out there. And I, I want to say I want one, but it's so weird. And it just feels so future that it doesn't apply to my life. But I love seeing these things. I just, I kind of love seeing that these things physically exist and physically work.

23:49And it was Samsung behind it and hopefully releasing it in more countries than China that we'll be able to see it more in the wild and not just with influencers. Yeah, I know this is really stupid sort of thing to do with a multi-thousand dollar device, but what I would love out of a trifold phone is to be able to hold onto the base when it's folded and just like flick my wrist and have the thing go. And then like flick it back and have it go. So Samsung, if you could get to work on that totally like useless, meaningless extra feature that just makes people go, ooh, that would be great. Yeah. See, and I just want a phone that fits in a woman's pocket.

24:30You have much simpler needs. Yeah. If I could get like, the folds scare me because like I'm going to admit it. I'm a little rough with my phones. I don't carry a purse a lot. So I literally toss my phone in my hockey bag, which is why I tend to use those bulkier cases, which then make it a problem for fitting in a jacket. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting nonetheless to have a phone fold all the way out into a large format tablet, not just like a larger screen, but like literally it's the size of a tablet by the time it folds out based on what we've seen from their prototypes and that sort of stuff.

25:06So interesting stuff. Well, whenever Unpacked happens, we will definitely be covering it. Heck yes. Security researchers used ChatGBT's Deep Research agent to pull confidential Gmail data from inboxes without users knowing anything had happened. The heist, dubbed Shadow Leak by Radware's security team, exploited a prompt injection vulnerability by hiding instructions inside an email that lied dormant until the user fired off a deep research command that uncovered the command and sent the agent to work harvesting the personal data and sending the info back to the attacker. The attack happened entirely within OpenAI's cloud infrastructure, bypassing standard defenses.

25:47OpenAI says it has fixed the issue. Yeah, time and time again, this is just something that they're finding. Are these deeply embedded, hidden, although not too hidden, prompt quotes or whatever you want to call them inside of other things that just send the AI into an entirely different direction? I don't know how you solved this. I mean, I'm sure someone will solve it. Yeah, well, red teams are creative. Yeah, totally. Everyone's going to have to up their game with all of these new avenues. Everyone thinks like, okay, I've got all my fences up. I'm ready. And there's always a hole. There's always a hole.

26:27It's a never ending chase. And people smarter than me are on it. And that's what I have to go with. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you on that one. And finally, circling back to Samsung, apparently. Sorry about that. I probably could have grouped them together. That may have made more sense. Anyways, Samsung has begun showing ads on its Family Hub smart fridges in the U.S. through a pilot program that displays commercials on idle cover screens. And these are the larger cover screens. So there's smaller ones that they have on some of their fridges. Those don't necessarily show ads. These are the much larger ones that fit multiple things on a screen at the same time.

27:06Owners are able to avoid ads, oh yay, by setting the cover screen to display photos or art mode, but doing that reduces the functionality of the smart features. Disconnecting the fridge from the internet can also block ads, yay, but again, limits key features, things like recipes and the meal planner that might be integrated with the internet. Owners can also remove specific ads for the duration of that specific campaign. So it's tied to a single campaign. If you see an ad, you can be like, I don't want to see this ad anymore. And that ad and that ad alone will go away for the length of that campaign.

27:42So say a couple of months and other ads will still continue. So talk about a game of whack-a-mole. There you go. There is no way to opt out entirely. In other words, for now, Samsung has not shared which models exactly will see the ads. Kind of sounds like Samsung recognizes that people might not be too happy about this and they're not saying very much about it as a result. Yeah, well, the problem is that earlier this year, Samsung said there were no plans to do these ads. And then people have started seeing them in the wild and people are like, oh, like you're imagining things. It's not true.

28:15And now like it is officially out and Samsung has gone back on their promise. There's no opt out. And congratulations, Samsung. You've now been eliminated from any future appliance purchase I make or anything my family asked me about. I would just say, don't do it. You can't trust Samsung anymore on this front. It's hard. Anytime you pay a lot of money for something. And I mean, this even goes for not, you know. Appliances are not cheap. Yeah. No, no. These things are not inexpensive. And then it becomes an advertising vector. Like it just feels yucky. I don't like that at all. I don't want to consider it a liability for the next 10 years.

28:55And that like, it's hard enough, you know, making sure your appliance works as an appliance for 10 years these days. I don't want to also have to worry about a firmware issue. Yeah. Maybe we need like a, we need someone to hack together an ad blocker or maybe even like a VPN that we can run on our fridge. Well, yeah, no. One of my InfoSec friends said like they'd only buy one of these if they were able to run a custom firmware on it. Ah, yeah. So it's like, you know, when you're trying to buy the specific routers that you can run your custom firmware on, now people are going to be looking for custom firmware fridges.

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31:01Finally, let's finish up as we usually do with some thoughts from you. This time, Roger has a thought on Meta's new smart glasses with the display. Roger sent us a quick note. Roger writes, really, really need a battery breakthrough. However, the wrist thing, tis a game changer. Yeah, I actually played around with one of these, a similar wrist control mechanism by a company called Mudra. I think it was pronounced Mudra at the Consumer Electronics Show last year. And it worked in, as far as I can tell, almost the same way. You put it on your wrist, it picks up on the kind of the electrical impulses kind of firing off when you do different things.

31:43And I got to say, in my experience, you know, I'm sure there's differences between this and what meta, between that and what meta showed off. But it was really impressive. Like the granularity of control, there were, you know, certain parts of the demo that I was like, oh, my goodness, like this is actually really cool. It kind of seemed a little bit more accurate than just like a camera that needs to be shining on my hands at all time. It might be obscured or whatever the case may be. It was really neat. Okay. I have to ask, are you left or right-handed? Right-handed. Okay. I am a lefty and I've had mixed experiences with some of these, but I am hoping that it has come far enough away.

32:22Like back in the Nintendo DS days, the game Brain Age where you would like write numbers and stuff. It did not like the way left-handed people had a stroke order for certain numbers. So that is always in my mind because also for some tablets that you write on, it did not like the way left-handed people wrote. Yeah. So I'm hoping that that becomes a solved problem with these wristbands because then I'd be a lot more interested. So we'll have to wait and see when more of them are in the wild. We will indeed. I hope they figure that out for you. That is a good point. Well, what are you all thinking about?

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34:42This episode is brought to you by Capital One. Capital One's tech team isn't just talking about multi-agentic AI. They already deployed one. It's called Chat Concierge and it's simplifying car shopping. Using self-reflection and layered reasoning with live API checks, it doesn't just help buyers find a car they love. It helps schedule a test drive, get pre-approved for financing, and estimate trade-in value. Advanced, intuitive, and deployed. That's how they stack. That's technology at Capital One. Hi all, this is Kim and Penn Holderness from Laugh Line. Summer is here, which means it's officially travel season.

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