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2:11This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, the 3rd of November, 2026. You can forget about the third. It's not the fifth. We only have to remember the fifth. We tell you what you need to know, give you important context, and help each other understand. Yes, and today, Google does the right thing by turning AI off by default for schools and letting them decide what elements they want to turn on, and then they ruined it. They ruined it. Went and ruined it. Good job, Google. Search hostage. I'm Tom Merritt. I'm Jason Howell. Let's start with what you need to know with that very big story. I mean, I don't know that it's a very big story, but it's that big enough to talk very, the very big story and to which we were anyway, thanks to Fred for noting this one on the sub Reddit.

2:58Google announced on Tuesday that it will turn off Gemini, Gemini notebook, Gemini in classroom, and Google search for kindergarten to 12th grade student accounts by default sometime next year. School administrators can then turn the ones they want back on. This is giving the schools the choice. I like opt-in, right? Yep. Always good. Google search though, will be off by default. And Google says that AI is so integral to how it presents search results that it cannot offer the product without it. That's why it's in this realm. So if a school says, I want no AI, then Google's position is, well, then you can't use Google search.

3:44Like if you really don't want AI, that's fine. We are letting you turn off Google search, but there's, there's no middle ground. I mean, Google could offer a default to its web tab. The web tab on Google search doesn't have any AI in it at this point. Uh, they could actually offer a search box that automatically adds the ampersand UDM dash 14, uh, search switch to the end of every query that would keep the AI overview from showing up. It could also offer schools an option to turn off the AI mode tab, but Google says, no, too integral. Even though we offer that to people, we can't offer that to you without making you take everything else.

4:28I mean, schools could even add open source extensions like hide Google AI overviews to the browser for kids, I suppose. That brings with it a whole lot of maintenance issues. Instead, Google vice president for Education Chris Phillips told the New York Times, quote, search and AI are deeply integrated. And if a school wants to have no AI, students, quote, will not have access to search and they'll see a message from their school that indicates it's not available. We'll get to that in a minute. Google also turned on guided learning for all Google Classroom users worldwide. The guided learning mode asked students questions and explained step by step rather than just giving them the whole answer.

5:06That's a great thing that helps students work through a problem rather than just using it as a cheat sheet. And there has been pretty much rave reviews for guided learning. Later this month, Google will test adding that mode to Google search. So if some kid tries to go to Google search, should it still be available at its school and use the AI overview? They can't just take the answer from there. AI overview will say, oh, hey, you're asking about a physics problem. Let me walk you through that instead. This could have been a, oh, good for Google story, Jason. Very well, very easily could have been.

5:42It just feels, I don't know. It's hard to read this and hear about this and not feel like Google's twisting a knife to some degree. Like, oh yeah? Oh yeah? Kind of like holding their search hostage or whatever. You take all or nothing. Because like you very, very well pointed out, there are a number of different ways to tackle this in a different way other than it's all or nothing. And I really don't understand the rationale here as far as that is concerned. Google has made great strides in making its services, its hardware with Chrome OS. a lot of this integrate well into the school environment, into the educational world.

6:28And this just feels, I don't know, I get a petty kind of energy from this that I don't like. I don't know that this is something I'm constantly fighting against within myself and then trying to point out when other people do it is generally your worst interpretation of a motivation is not usually what people, actual humans are doing. Uh, even humans who work at tech companies, even CEOs, uh, are human beings, uh, who aren't, uh, care, you know, cartoon characters of evil. So I try to remind myself of that. And I look at this and I'm like, well, if we walk through it, if Google was being totally greedy, they wouldn't let, they wouldn't let you opt in to Gemini.

7:09They'd be doing opt out. They would be doing, they'd say like, look, you can turn Gemini off anytime you want, just on by default. Cause we think it's great and integral to our search. They're not doing that. They are playing ball and saying, no, we're going to do the right thing. We're going to make it opt-in. Schools will be able to choose which parts they want to have. They didn't want to do the extra work to provide an AI-free Google search. Question is, why? Is it because they're petty? Let's assume not. Because I don't think that's usually it. I don't think, you know, yes, it happens. It feels that way, but it's fine.

7:4398 % of the time, when I have been in a room where decisions like these have been made, it wasn't, let's be petty. It was usually like, ah, we'd like to do that, but if we do, there's this problem that it's going to cause. And for Google, I think the problem it's going to cause is they don't want to support that. They don't want to be giving the message that Google is useful without AI mode. And they may be planning to get rid of those options. They may be planning. I mean, web is already like deep down. You have to press more to get to it. They could even deprecate that search switch that I mentioned with the ampersand in it, in which case they don't want to confront that.

8:26And they certainly wouldn't want to launch a service for schools and then deprecate it and then either have to maintain it just for the schools or take it away from the schools. So for them, I think they're saying, look, our Google search product is just going to become more and more powered by Gemini. It would be disingenuous to provide them a version of search that didn't have Gemini in it, knowing that it's going to be taken away. If I'm going to try to put myself in the place of a person at Google, that's probably the thinking there. I mean, and that's certainly the direction that they've been heading the last couple of years as they've been modifying search to integrate AI more and more, which is this is the world we live in now.

9:08Search has been a product of its kind for a couple of decades. Now we have this new technology and it is making its mark on all of these things, including search. How could you possibly want to use a search engine that doesn't do all these things anymore? You know, that's kind of their belief set. I do think, though, that at a time when Google is no stranger to being regulated or forced by the EU or insert government entity here to make changes that those entities decide go counter to the use by this, that, or the other person. And this kind of seems like a time where doing something like this could potentially lead to the ire of the EU or whatever to say, hey, you know what?

9:57I know you don't want to, but we're going to compel you to. And I bet you if they were compelled to do it, they'd figure out how to do it and they'd do it. And so if that's the truth, then why don't they just do that? It's not a figure out how to do it. They know how to do it. Let's not even give them the wiggle room of like, well, we'd have to create a new product. It's already there, right? It's that they don't want to offer it. And I suppose there is a very good reason to argue that the best version of search is probably powered by Gemini. That wasn't true three months ago. I think that Gemini has improved enough recently that you get better answers from Gemini.

10:41It's still not perfect. It still occasionally makes mistakes. But also, I feel like it's gotten to parity with the kind of mistakes you get from people gaming search engine results with SEO. And so as long as I can find a link that is verifiable and reliable, sometimes I'm fine with the AI overview telling me where to find that because it'll get there faster than the gamified page rank version of search. from that point of view, Google might be saying like, we're not going to be offering that inferior product for long, especially with open AI out there claiming they've got 20 % of the search market already.

11:19Uh, you know, maybe that's true. Maybe it's not, but it's certainly something we have to pay attention to. And we want the best version of search. The best version of search is I got the answer I wanted really fast. Uh, and, and so if that, I could see where, if that's the way they're going, they're like, why would we continue to offer a inferior service to school? you know yeah yeah i think and as a as a parent though when i look at this so first of all first and foremost like you said at the top i totally agree choice is a great thing when it comes to technology from my perspective you know choice is always the best the best thing to have give give a parent the the choice whether you think it's a right or wrong choice give them the ability to turn it on or off so that they just feel like they're in control at the same time i I also find myself a little conflicted with this idea of schools turning off AI entirely.

12:12I want them to have the choice. But at the same time, as a parent of two kids, I don't want them using these tools and learning bad habits or relying on information that's false or having it do all their work for them. I also don't want them not using these tools and being set behind, not learning how to be critical of what they see, learning real valuable tools that they are going to need in the next however many years or decades or whatever as a result of this technology. So as a parent, I'm conflicted on this, but yeah. Yeah. And I think that's fair. I think Google would say, great, you should talk to your school.

12:51And that's the appropriate place to make the decision. Google shouldn't be making the decision for the school. The school should be making the decision. I do think that Google should have a non-AI search engine made simply for schools. Maybe it's one that doesn't even have advertising in it. Maybe it's one that works differently than the ad-driven model that we see. Or maybe schools can just be like, great, we don't have Google search. We'll use DuckDuckGo. I was just going to say, DuckDuckGo exists. Maybe there's that. Maybe this is a great opportunity for DuckDuckGo to make further its mark.

13:30But while I've gone through the process in front of everyone just now of like, okay, this is probably what Google's thinking and it's not purely evil. I don't think they're right that they couldn't. It's one thing to say like our Google search will continue to have AI. They don't want to say that though because there'll be backlash against that. But that's the truth. And so they're saying like it's integral. We can't offer Google search without AI. You can't. Don't lie to me and tell me you can't. You can't. You just don't want to. Maybe you have some good reasons that you don't want to, but you could, and I kind of think you should.

14:02Just offer that web tab and say, you know what? For as long as we offer this, you can have that. Make that something schools can have, and that's a good compromise position. I totally agree, 100%. Well, too bad. Sorry, everybody. That's less entertaining when Jason and I are fighting, but I'm kind of with you. Who knows? Maybe there's enough agreement where Google changes its mind. Yeah, maybe somebody from Google is listening to this. If you are, I'm trying to make a good faith argument here of like, hey, maybe that wasn't the right call. Right, yeah. Well, we'll certainly find out. And if things change, we will let you know.

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18:06The report said nine in 10 agent workflow steps are routine, and open-weight models handle them at parity for a quarter of the price of the cheapest closed model. Open-weights also preserve control over your data as another fact there. You can also use domain-specific models. Gartner's report suggests that frontier models will have a role in research and development. Yeah, this report makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, I think for people who aren't following Enterprise all the time, the reason you care about this is it is one of the most influential analysis groups, Gartner group, saying, hey, Enterprise, you probably don't need to be spending all those tokens.

18:53You can have a specific to your needs open weight model that keeps your data under your control. And guess what? As a side benefit, you save money. In fact, they wrote that. They're like, really, the benefit is over data control. And then you get the side benefit of saving money. I don't, I saw some people trying to turn this into like, ah, this is going to undermine the business model for Anthropic and OpenAI because they're so enterprise specific, which is true. They are. They're very enterprise weighted. But I don't think this takes away the need. In fact, Gartner made a point of saying like for the highest level of usage, your research and development roles, you're going to need those frontier models.

19:35And I think companies will be happy to continue to pay for those. Well, and not only that, if you're running open models and you've got your, as they say, the harnesses within them to kind of shuffle around agents to go out to other models to carry out certain tasks that are better suited for that model versus this one or whatever, then in my mind, the frontier models don't necessarily go away. They become another destination. potentially for that harness to tap into when you need to do it. Not everything needs to be shuffled through at the high cost at the frontier level. Maybe your open model does the majority, as this report says, the majority of your work.

20:15But when you need to reach out, you do. And hey, you save money in the process. Still, those frontier companies have a lot of use, like you said, in research and development in those real higher level capacities. Yeah. If you read this Gartner report, it's very much about like the tedious, repetitive, you need it every day kind of stuff goes to the open weight models. The stuff that is very specific, maybe even very specific to your company that you can get an open weight model to do exactly the way you want it, have that agent and that harness running, you know, multiple times an hour doing its thing versus why would you waste tokens with OpenAI or Anthropic multiple times an hour for something that simple?

20:56For OpenAI and you want the like, okay, how do we improve our business? Is there a method we can use? Is they analyze our customer service or that kind of stuff, which Gardner calls more of a capital expenditure, kind of see where they're coming from there, which is like, you're paying for resource, you know, like machinery versus just, you know, the cost of doing business, the run rate of like, yeah, I need my accounting agent to process the TPS reports every 15 minutes to keep them up to date. Buy me an additional red stapler for my desk. Yeah, yeah. And order those red staplers whenever inventory runs low so we never run out of them.

21:36And that way, if someone loses them, they don't have a problem. They just go get a new one. There you go. Yeah. It always does come back to office space. So, yeah, I put this in here because I thought some people might see this headline and think, Like, oh, this is bad news for open AI and anthropic. And I don't think it is. I don't think it really is. But it is interesting when we talk about the Chinese open weight models and the dominance thereof. The idea that companies are going to have to rely on open weight models is an important consideration when you look at where those open weight models are coming from.

22:12And depending on what your business is, whether you want to trust them to a model that was developed in mainland China or not. Yep, yep. And as they continue to get more and more capable and kind of closing the gap and everything, why wouldn't you opt for going local, going more private, saving money in the process for the wide majority of the things you do? It makes a lot of sense. All right, Apple reported its earnings on Monday. So we thought we'd run through the things that tech users care about from there. I know many of you are in the investment game, but there's plenty of great Bloombergs and Financial Timeses for that.

22:49let's talk about the things that we, as the folks who use this stuff, care about. How's Apple doing? They're doing good. Are they going to stick around? Good news, they are. They beat their own expectations for earnings per share. Revenue was up 12 % on the year, beat expectations there too. However, worth noting that the key to the success was China. Apple revenue in China rose 21%. That does paper over some other less rosy parts of the region. and even the China rise of 21 % was still a bit below expectation. How does Apple think they're going to do, right? Are they going to tank next quarter?

23:27Apple expects revenue to rise 7 % to 10 % next quarter. That's above what people thought they'd say, so they're being a little more optimistic than folks thought. Gross margins, though, which is a measure of profit, will be 45 % to 46%. And the reason I'm even bringing that up is that it's a bit below what people thought they'd say, and CEO John Ternus attributed that to the unprecedented price of memory. This is the big story out of this earnings report is that the shortage and the price of RAM and other components like solid state drives is finally having an effect on Apple. It had an effect on Apple later than other companies, but it absolutely is having an effect.

24:07Inventory cost rose 31.1 % for Apple last quarter as a company tries to increase its supply, but mostly because the value of the inventory is rising as the cost of parts goes up. iPad sales did not grow, and it was one of the only product categories that did not. Apple said that was because of supply constraints. They just couldn't make as many iPads as they could sell. That's a very bad sign when you've got demand and you cannot fill supply. That was the only category they said that about. The only other category that fell was wearables, home, and accessories. That fell 8%. And Apple attributed that to the fact that last year they launched the AirPods Pro 3 and the Apple Watch SE.

24:47And those were just in greater demand than the more iterative launches this year of the Watch Series 12, the Ultra 4, and the AirPods 5. So Apple's hoping to juice this category with the new Apple Home View and possibly more compelling upgrades next year. But people are holding on to these wearables and accessories and watches longer than they used to as well. Otherwise, things were rosy. iPhone sales rose 17 % on the year. Mac sales rose 24 % on the year. Apple has identified the Mac as a growth area because of people using it for agentic uses. We'll see how long that lasts, but it is working for them now.

25:23And services, which is pretty much all the non-hardware. It's the App Store and the Apple Card and Apple Pay and Apple TV and Apple Music all in one. That grew 10%. But those supply constraints are the big story. That's going to continue to be an issue. COO Sabikhan said for the December quarter, they expect supply constraints not only on the iPad, but on the Mac too, primarily driven by memory as demand has been higher than they expected. Obviously, there are supply constraints on the iPhone Duo. Those aren't entirely caused by components. Some of it is by yield. And they said at this time, it's really hard to predict when supply and demand on the iPhone Duo will balance.

26:03One last note of interest from the earnings call cfo kevin parek said on the product side you know we feel ai offers a compelling reason for customers to upgrade and switch in order to get the latest capabilities and we also feel there's opportunities across third-party apps and partnerships as well as first-party opportunities now he didn't clarify but a lot of people took that to mean somehow distributing third-party agents and maybe getting a cut if you do. But who knows? Maybe they did play around with that with ChatGPT, and then they didn't do anything else with that. I kind of thought that might be their way of like, oh, you can choose ChatGPT or Gemini, and then we'll take a cut of whatever subscriptions get sold because of that.

26:49Yeah, that's super interesting. I mean, at the end of the day, as I was kind of like reading through this and kind of considering this moment of supply shortages and how all the hardware companies are really struggling to deliver because of RAM shortages and components and all that. And then you got Apple still kind of kicking butt. But like you said, starting to kind of feel the impacts of that. We have the price increase that kind of came later than some of the other hardware companies. But when I look at Apple, I always think of, for right or for wrong, I think of Apple as like a premium, not quite luxury, but I guess it's to some degrees a luxury brand.

27:29It's like Coke. It's not YSL, but it's still. Sure. And so then when I think of price increases and where Apple's at right now and how they continue to do pretty darn good given the situation, it kind of makes sense to me that people flinch a bit less when Apple raises its price because they're already used to Apple being a pricey kind of competitor to, say, Android, you know, just taking phones, for example, Android phones by comparison and everything. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how much that, you know, kind of plays to Apple's favor in moments like this, but that kind of came to mind for me. Yeah, I think they have been mostly because of Tim Cook, who, you know, is still kicking around.

28:10He's still available, you know, to ask a question. He's cooking around. He's still cooking over there. You know, he made them into a supply chain juggernaut, and I don't think they're not, or they would have been having these problems earlier. And they're not even having the problems that other companies are having yet. They're saying they might have the problems. They're finally starting to see the evidence of supply constraints. And, you know, according to SK Hynix and others, it's still going to be a couple of years if demand remains the same before capacity can catch up with it. Yeah, yeah.

28:45Yeah, that is an ongoing issue, and we're nowhere near out of the woods as far as that's concerned. Over the summer, multiple agents went rogue. We've certainly talked about those stories many times. Entered websites and databases that they weren't supposed to. Behind many of these incidents was a security company called Irregular Security. Kind of a funny name paired with all of this. Anyways, the company's CEO, Dan Lahav, was speaking at an event in London and said there was a misunderstanding due to an error that the isolation guards were not set up as they were intended for the specific tests.

29:25Those were his words. In other words, irregular security made a mistake multiple times in multiple tests. Now, Lahav also said the fix was actually very straightforward, his words, and that it was solved during the same day where everything happened. Now, he has not released any technical details or explanations of what those mistakes were. But, you know, throughout all of this, kind of the theme and what he's alluding to, and at least my interpretation is, this is less about agents being crafty. This is really just about humans not doing what they needed to do to set up a proper test, essentially.

30:05Yeah. I still think based on what OpenAI and Anthropic have released that the agents were capable of things they did not expect them to be capable of. But I don't think it's in a way that was like, oh, my gosh, they're out of control. It was more like, huh, we didn't think they could get there. And they did. You know, the water got in the crack is a good analogy for that. But what Lahav is saying makes me actually feel a little better, which was like, oh, yeah, we knew how to set up our tests properly. We just didn't do it. You know, and so the fact that we haven't seen a bunch of rogue agents out there, everybody's looking now.

30:44Right. And over the summer, no one was really aware to be looking now. Every third party outlet, every security company that wants to make its name is hoping to find a rogue agent. And the fact that we haven't seen any makes me think that this is probably the major reason that we had those rogue agents. I don't know if it fits the definition of malpractice legally, but this company not properly setting up their safety regards. And I'm surprised there's not more call to make them account for this, even if it's not from their clients, from other folks. Yeah, I mean, at a time when this technology is developing at such a rapid pace, there is so much pressure on the inside to keep things moving.

31:30And I think this kind of is an example of a different aspect of that challenge, which is on the testing side, you know, there's probably a higher likelihood of overlooking something really important if that pressure comes into a testing environment as well. And this might just be an example of that. Yeah, and I think that's why we haven't seen the technical details. They don't want Australia suing them. They don't want to give anybody a weapon to hit them with. They're happy for everyone to just hate Sam Altman and Dario Rode and just don't even look over at irregular security. Pretend we're not here.

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34:59But if you've got a Video Strong Made box or a MeCool box, you might not want to have it. Meet the trash can. Yes. One other nugget in Anthropix updated S1 filing for its IPO is the company thinks it's close to developing RSI. Who is it? But in this case, we're not talking about wrist pain. We're talking about recursive self-improvement. The ability for a model to improve itself without needing human interaction. And Thropic says it, quote, may imminently meet the definition, even though it hasn't yet. And I said it may be hoping that this is good marketing for subscribing to its IPO. But I haven't yet.

35:41It may be dangling a carrot right in front of you that you could never quite get to. scientists at mit used open ai's gpt-6 astra to raise the math score of the open weight quen model six times they call the approach weight space programming the work opens up the possibility of using models to edit the genes of other models ah this is the kind of self-improvement that i i like to see uh and seems like it's actually backed by science so that's cool china's national Development and Reform Commission has said it plans to roll out legislation that will set standards for AI safety and ethics across the entire breadth and width of AI development, from research to deployment, including monitoring the impact on workers.

36:30Reviews are out for the iPad mini with an A20 Pro chip. Generally, it seems display, the performance, the fast charging, and the thin and light case. On the flip side, they're less impressed with the price, of course, the lack of Face ID, and the 60 hertz refresh rate, which, yeah, is pretty low. Yeah. But not prohibitive. How often do you really notice? Apple's audio intelligence is rolling out to beta software testers of the Apple Watch as part of iOS 27.3. Audio intelligence can do things like identify sounds for the hard of hearing, like a doorbell or an alarm or a siren. It also includes Live Rewind.

37:11That's that feature that lets you see text of what was just said in the last 15 seconds. And Siri recaps, which can summarize a conversation. Super curious about that Live Rewind feature. Adobe is adding licensed music from Universal Music Group and Warner Music Group into its mobile video app, Adobe Premiere Mobile. you'll be able to use up to 60 seconds of a track as long as the project is for non-commercial use. Yay. Very nice. And here's another product you probably should stop using. M7 Software has told users of the M Secure Password Manager that you should change your passwords, reset your two-factor authentication, and maybe remove all your pass keys for any credentials stored in the password.

37:56This is not change your master password. This is change all the passwords in the manager. Oh my goodness. M7 has not given any details beyond saying they were detecting suspicious activity. That's a lot of work. Yeah. That doesn't give you a lot of trust. No. On that one. You don't want that from your password manager, especially without an explanation. God. And just to think about changing all those passwords. Yeah. You're talking about a whole day of work. Yeah. Most people. Yeah. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. And today, Dean is a terminal user and loves it. Yeah, we were talking about TRMNL and Seed yesterday with that e-ink DIY display.

38:41Dean writes, wanted to comment on the Seed terminal report. I've had terminal for over a year and can't recommend it highly enough. I use it for mostly a family calendar, but also for other dashboard type things. And it really is great. I charge it once every six months. It's light enough. I've put magnets on the back to have it on the refrigerator door. Used to use an iPad for the same thing, but then had the whole thing of having a charger cable constantly connected. It's much heavier, so it fell off and broke. And Terminal's devices are very, very hackable, so you can get it to show any data you want.

39:16Maybe a good live with it section, Dean. I think so. Man, you're selling me on this, Dean. I mean, the device looks cool, but that sounds really appealing to have something like that only charge it once every six months and have it be dynamically updated and all that. And to be clear with Dean, he's talking about the devices you get from Terminal. Yesterday, we were talking about this DIY collaboration between Terminal and Seed Studio. But you can get devices directly from Terminal that do a lot of the same stuff. Interesting. Going to have to check those out. Well, what are you thinking about?

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