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2:26this is the daily tech news for thursday july 23rd 2026 we tell you what you need to know give you the important context and help each other understand today google is letting you use your selfie to access your google account as an emergency fallback is that is that safe i don't know we're gonna talk about that I'm Jason how I'm gonna do it now let's start with what you need to know with a big story so if you've ever loved recording yourself with a selfie now you can do it and have a reason other than just like looking at your video and going oh that was pretty good I like what I did there Google just launched selfie video sign-in and so basically it allows users to record a selfie video, big surprise, but in advance and then use it later as an extra way to get back into their account when locked out or happens to be accessing the account from a different device than they would normally use.

3:24It's designed as a stand in option for when users might be trying to access their locked account but can't access their passkey. I think passkey is the real kind of thing around this. Oh, you don't have the device that your passkey is stored on. here's another way to get access to it in case of an emergency. Usually pass keys are attached to a device. To set it up, my dogs are going nuts, so apologies. To set it up, you point your phone or your laptop camera at your face to record a selfie, right? It'll instruct you to look in different directions from different angles, that sort of stuff. And then Google stores a reference video tied to your account on its servers.

4:04Then when you're locked out in the future, you record another selfie, a short selfie with the device that you happen to have. Google compares that against the stored video that it has to confirm that it's you. The option is going to sit inside the security and sign-in sections inside of your Google account alongside other options like pass keys, like recovery contacts and backup codes. Now, Google is including some safeguarding tools, something along the lines of liveness detection. So if the tool spots that something fishy might be going on, like potentially using a deep fake video to bypass that checkpoint, the system is going to include other requirements to block to block those attempts and hopefully ensure that you are an actual human and not just trying to game the system.

4:56Google isn't releasing the details on that process. Specifically, they did share that standard security practices include device metadata like location, time of login, browser settings, and IP address. And other systems like this often use things like accelerometer, sensor data, other signals from the device that collectively ensure that the person is who they say they are. So there's that. A few other tidbits. And then I'm super curious when what you think about this, the video that's stored is encrypted at rest. It can be deleted at any time. This is a feature that is opt in, must be set up in advance of an event.

5:32So you can't do it during account recovery. And yeah, it's rolling out globally now to most accounts. So what were your thoughts when you heard about this? I feel like maybe we, I don't know. Like I have an immediate attachment to the very beginning, the early days of Android and like picture security and that video process and everyone immediately reacting and saying, that's highly like insecure. Don't do that. Yeah. I kind of had the same thought and also just thinking it'd be really funny if someone did duck face and or whatever. I believe there's a new Gen Alpha face for selfies, which is sad, angry.

6:12I can't do it myself. Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure my daughter is adept. Adept at doing it. Yeah. I generally like, so this has come up in like, I think similar technologies have come up for me personally in the last like few years. Like for example, as an American going to the UK, there's a new app that it's not a visa, but it's like kind of an electronic permission or permission immigration type thing. and a lot of them did use did did do that kind of one time you know like video where you do the up and down you do left and right um and i suppose always there's a little bit of kind of feeling of of ick when the idea of video of my face is stored on the cloud somewhere again it's all encrypted and of course there are options there i still think we all have like a little bit of a reflex now being no not nor not more not more of my digital self being stored somewhere else but at the same time especially as we move to pass keys and now we've talked about pass keys at not like at length at length for the last two to three years and about how you know a lot of different things about it i actually have thought about that now that pass keys are quite prevalent and especially since a lot of services allow you to do passwordless like completely passwordless entry or login i did wonder to myself a few times what if i actually do lose all my phones because i carry like two or three on me um but what if i lose all of them or you know what is this and what is that and like there's i don't think we have we don't have a muscle for what happens when that happens with paskies and whether that's like an immediate muscle like what do i do like what are my fallbacks or like how to like kind of circumvent that like what what are the steps you take to circumvent that i don't think we have a good muscle so i was like honestly though if this is like an option, like maybe this is a human understandable...

7:58And it seems like they have put a lot of guardrails around it, a lot of interesting practices to kind of, you know, I know we all probably think about deep fakes as well. And they seem to have put a lot of thought into it. So I don't think I mind, especially since it seems to be opt-in. I don't think I mind and I think that it probably... I'm not a security expert. It seems more secure than, say, reverting to your old password, especially if your password is password1234. Don't make that your password. I don't know. I think it's interesting. It's a little upfront ink, upfront ik, kind of in the back, kind of like, okay, I think this could be cool.

8:38I mean, Google offers like a whole kind of collection of different ways to access your account and everything. This is just yet another thing. Like I mentioned earlier, this isn't, it's easy to read this. Like when I first like read the headline of this before I knew anything about the story, I was like, wait a minute. So now anytime I want to log into my account, I'm just going to use a selfie. That sounds like, eh, I don't know how I feel about that. This isn't really meant for that. This is like, oh, you're on a different device. Your passkey's attached to a separate device. How the heck do you get into your device?

9:10Well, this one time you've got this video stored and, you know, and it works. So to that end, yeah, okay. I'll probably store the video because I have gone through the experience of almost losing my Google account because I locked myself out through a stupid, stupid move live on a podcast with two-factor authentication in my Google Voice account. see a very, like almost 10 years ago on This Week in Google, there's an episode floating around that details that. So I know what it's like to suddenly be in a situation where it's like, oh shoot, it's like your digital life flashes before your eyes when you're like, I might have just screwed it up and everything that I have attached to my Google account is gone.

9:53Would I like to have a separate backup that I know probably isn't going to change? High likelihood my face is not going to change over my lifetime, knock on wood. And so having that as a fallback is good. Also, you're not setting this up in the moment. A hacker or someone who's looking to pretend to be you, they have access to your account. There's no way for them to do that. I have to do it explicitly in advance, set it up. And the fact that it's encrypted at rest basically means that Google is saying, hey, it's not like we have access now suddenly to this biometric data of you, even though they have my entire Google Photos library, which has tens, if not hundreds of thousands of videos and photos of my face floating in there anyway.

10:39So I don't know. I'm not too worried about it personally, but I get it. I'm so curious because I think it's actually fascinating. And I think some of the, you know, obviously deep fakes are a legit concern these days. I appreciate that they're not letting details of their kind of mitigation efforts out. I am so curious, because I do think it's cool the idea that, of course, things like metadata of location and browser settings and IP address are already commonly used things to kind of circumvent fraudulent logins. Like, hey, why are you trying to log in from Antarctica? That's not usually where you log in from, that kind of thing.

11:15But I do like the idea that the accelerometer and sensor data could also feed into that as well. We were talking before the show a little bit. I was talking about like AI slop. Sorry, people stealing, say like musicians playing a guitar and then overlaying someone else differently on top of it. I had that same kind of idea of like, it's almost like using that kind of like physical data that should correlate to like a real person doing it as opposed to deepfakes doing it. So I just think that that's all very, very interesting on what they're doing. I would love to know how it works, but maybe I don't need to know how it works for this as well.

11:48I also have an anecdote where because my father is absolutely not tech savvy. I don't think this is a crime, but I did try to take a selfie of him and use it for, I think, like his doctor's office required a selfie or something similar that required a selfie. So I actually was pulling out pictures of my father and trying to take pictures of the selfie from my screen. And you'll be you'll be glad to know it did not work in the slightest. Like, it did not work in the slightest. But just to say that you got to use it. No, you're right. it wouldn't work you got to use a polaroid you can't do it at your screen never mind never mind i didn't just say never mind you can see yeah there are a lot of reasons why it didn't work but anyway um google's probably very keen to yeah lame they went through this like calling back to what i mentioned earlier like they they've been dabbling in this sort of thing for a very long time early hollow era android right was when they first did the like photo unlock of your phone and even that technology, that was beginnings and it was highly insecure.

12:52Literally, you could get into it if you just held up a picture of the person. That was just a straight up photograph recognition or whatever. Things are a lot more advanced now. Things are a lot different. But still, some people are not going to feel very comfortable about scanning their face and storing it on Google servers, to which I say, then absolutely, totally get it. Don't do it then. You don't have to. You don't have to. You know what you don't have to do, but we really appreciate that you do, you don't have to listen, but you are listening right now. And you know what? That makes this show possible.

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16:13All right, there's plenty more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. All right, well, Alphabet posted one of its strongest quarters ever, with revenue rising 24 % year over year to$121 billion, easily beating Wall Street expectations in the process. Google Cloud was perhaps its strongest player, rising 82 % on the year, which is exactly what Google is hoping all of its infrastructure spending would lead to, making it a cloud leader. Google spent$5.9 billion more of its cash than its stockpiled for the first time since going public in August 2004. It also increased capital expenditure forecasts from around$180 to$190 billion last year to$195 billion or from$195 to$205 billion this year.

17:04Most of that infrastructure spending is related to its Gemini buildup. No surprise. Oh, big surprise. As for some of its other areas, advertising grew 17 % at a slower than expected rate. YouTube ad revenue was up 12.6%. Sundar Pichai made sure to tell investors that Google is not falling behind on AI. Pichai is feeling the need to tell investors that that fact does make you wonder if Google is actually worried about falling behind on AI. But he did promise an increased release cadence to address expectations. Yeah. The falling behind on AI thing. This is what I was referring to on Tuesday's show.

17:42Exactly. When we were talking about the release of some of the new Gemini models and how 3.5 Pro wasn't one of them. And we knew that that was a day ahead of the Google earnings. that I believe that release was Google basically saying, hey, whether they want to admit it or not, hey, we recognize that we're not leading the pack right now in the minds of people who are following this closely. But I promise we're on our way, you know? And so this is kind of Vichai saying, hey, we're not following by it on AI, but just the sheer fact that he has to say that kind of says a little something about like maybe where they are right now.

18:21And I do believe that they can get back there. Again, it's a horse race. They all kind of trade that placement. Gemini right now, nearly 1 billion monthly active users was another stat that came out of the earnings. That's a huge accomplishment. And that's primarily because Google does a really great job of embedding Gemini, of having an insane number of surfaces that it can embed its Gemini AI into. So it has a massive amount of users just to begin with using its tools. and then Gemini appears in there and has any sort of integration into a user's use, be it curiosity or reliability or whatever, they're going to get credit for that.

19:00So, yeah. It's kind of crazy. I think by, obviously, we're talking about the biggest of biggest tech companies right now, especially with the AI leaders. It is still hilarious to me that by most, just about any other, the bottom 95, 90 % of tech companies, Google is doing great, y 'all, in terms of ai with with that many active users but this particular you know llm generative ai race is it's like it's definitely a race but gosh darn i don't even know how to describe it it's like it's not even like a horse race it's like a race of like it's like one of those pod races in like star wars where you can't even follow what's going on and it's just like yeah it's just that was excellent side of the sound effects um but yeah it's it's almost like by nanoseconds it feels like that so much right because there's so there's so much in terms of stakes there's so much money right now in this in this specific part of of the economy it it really does feel like um by by most other by by a lot of other standards they're doing just fine but of course especially the stock market built so much on sentiment um yes understandably they're feeling a little bit like no we're fine guys no really we promise it's yeah we're good we're good i mean that's just the ai side like the cloud side they're doing excellent yeah um you know google's playing that game the right way But the first negative free cash flow amount that you mentioned, that's a huge thing.

20:21And clearly, that's Google funding all of these efforts in AI. Massive amount of spend there. And some would say, okay, well, is that a red flag for Google? And are the investors going to continue to feel comfortable with that kind of outflow? So far, so good, I suppose. But that could always change. Keep waiting for that to change. So we'll see. Well, the OpenAI hugging face hack story has seen kind of a few pieces and new developments, so I'll catch you up. Bloomberg reports that in addition to 5.6 Sol, the ChatGPT model, one of the two that OpenAI had identified, they said there was another one that was unidentified.

21:06There's actually a third unnamed model, unreleased model, involved in the hack by OpenAI. Sources say the other model was misaligned and not trained with some of the usual techniques. That's about all we know about it. So now we're talking three different OpenAI models kind of involved in some way, shape, or form here. Reporting from TechCrunch details that a proper sandbox, like a sandboxed environment, would not have had any way whatsoever to get a connection to the Internet, right? That's kind of like what a sandbox is. Researcher Martin Boone told TechCrunch, quote, if sandbox would actually mean sandbox, you expect it to have no physical connection to the Internet whatsoever.

21:48This sounds more like they had some firewalling or something in place. And firewalling is hard from the outside in, let alone inside to the outside Internet, end quote. Now, TechCrunch says that path to the Internet was done through a misconfigured package proxy that was ultimately exploited to break its containment. So not very sandboxed at all. The Financial Times reported that people close to the test were, quote, freaked out. We're freaked out. Yeah, that would be kind of freaky. And that some had warned that these kinds of aggressive tests could actually lead to this sort of breakaway behavior.

22:24And then finally, Politico reports that lawmakers in Washington are now rallying around an AI kill switch act to mandate incident reporting and require companies to build mechanisms that are capable of throttling or shutting down these powerful systems on demand. And who would have access to that demand? The Department of Homeland Security would have authority to order those suspensions when deemed appropriate if that is to pass. So yeah, a lot of stuff happening here. Also, I'm just kind of, I continue to be like, I'm realizing I say it a lot, so maybe I need to tamper it down a little bit. But if you don't want an agent to do something, don't hand it the keys to do something.

23:07And I don't know. Are you ever perfectly sandboxed, I guess is the question. Do you know how to ask that question of your team and say, are we actually sandboxed here? I'm surprised that they didn't know that. i guess i again as i said many times i'm not a security expert my only response to this is like um even the people that set up the agents are human beings too uh there's a reason why there's a reason why they're all infallible right yeah absolutely absolutely there's no so there it is totally possible to write bugless code um and it's totally possible to you know i mean i just think this is like i mean agents aren't that perfect either so in a very imperfect system i think assuming that certain things can't happen or should not happen is not the best case i know we've had emails about this about um in terms of like um limiting scope of like permissions and and things like that and as you said jason basically if you don't want the possibility of an agent doing a thing don't give it the capability of doing here's the keys now don't don't use them don't use them bad it doesn't yeah make good choices do these things with the keys but not those things.

24:18It's kind of like giving keys to a kid and saying don't drive somewhere when we're not looking. You know what I mean? It's like even before agentic AI. When we were just doing things kind of in a deterministic way, people would still mess it up and now we have basically, again, agents that can act independently semi-autonomously to autonomously without us. What are we going to do? It is like, as you said, the kids taking the keys and maybe they try to make good choices, but... Yeah, but agents just can't help themselves. They're just curious, just like the rest of us humans. And I did say humans are infallible.

24:57I meant humans are all fallible, not infallible. Yeah, we are. Imperfect. I'm going to get that correction before that becomes an email tomorrow.

25:10Amazon is bringing its Luna Cloud Gaming servers into Prime Video on Fire TV with a new games tab that sits at the top of the screen next to other options like movies, TV shows, and live TV. The movie brings games like EA Sports FC 26, Hogwarts Legacy, Clue, and other casual and licensed games into the Prime Video interface. It also brings Luna out into a more visible placement in a way that might convince casual players who don't already own a console to spend more time in the app. Yeah, and they've stated here, Their goal is not to replace major console gaming or gamers, pull them away. Clearly, they're different categories.

25:51But what this does, and we're seeing this, right? We're seeing it with Netflix. We're seeing it with Peacock. It places another opportunity to tie major IP that really ties in and integrates into the content that's already in those places into these interactive elements. What does that do? Well, that keeps people on your platform longer. And hey, all of these platforms want that. They want a sticky experience that keeps people in there. And so a James Bond game inside of the Amazon experience, which is apparently coming somewhere down the line, and more MGM IP also being integrated. That's good for the entire kind of view of that platform for keeping people there, keeping it sticky.

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27:38and estimate trade in value. Advanced, intuitive, and deployed. That's how they stack. That's technology at Capital One. Hey guys, it's Giraffe Wallo from the comment section. Listen, it's time to stop settling for hair products that just don't work, baby. With all the prestige brands at Sephora, upgrading your routine is easy. If your hair needs repair, they've got the K18 Leave-In Molecular Repair Hair Mask. If you're trying to level up your wash day, The Kerastase Elixir All-Time Hair Oil leaves your hair looking ridiculously shiny without feeling heavy. Also, Sephora makes it super convenient with free shipping and same-day delivery.

28:15Shop hair at Sephora and give your hair the upgrade it's been waiting for. All right, we got a bunch of headlines to read for you. And with every one, you will feel smarter and smarter. Well, South Korea disclosed that hackers spent 10 months inside its National Diplomatic Academy system before being detected exposing names emails and job titles for at least 6 000 diplomats and a foreign ministry employees worldwide the teenage plaintiff in meta's second social media addiction trial has officially dropped the case this is days before it was even set to begin so no money exchanging nothing it's just dropped all right well google built a new migration tool into android 17 that lets iPhone users wirelessly move photos, messages, contacts, passwords, and ESIN data to a Pixel or Samsung Galaxy device.

29:11The friction there is reducing soon. Well, I mean, it just sounds like it's getting easier and easier. Interesting. Ford is going to use Apple Maps as the built-in navigation system for its$30 ,000 midsize EV launching in 2027, with the mapping data feeding into an enhanced version of Blue Cruise, which is ford's hands-free highway driving system not to be confused with blue's clues the children's show totally different yeah blue's clues grew up got a driver's license and created blue all right well the european commission has officially fined google 890 million euros for favoring its own services in search results and blocking alternative payment methods on google play the first penalty under the digital markets act there you go close to a billion but not quite a billion but close uh braden hancock a researcher at the lod institute and co-founder of snorkel ai told tech crunch quote i don't think you get a model this strong and this quickly on the heels of fable doing strictly distillation this is in regards to kimmy k3 and um some charges that hey wait a minute are they distilling fable uh nathan lambert an ai researcher at the allen institute for ai said on a podcast that if that were the case you'd see more companies doing it open ai president greg brockman also said in an interview that it's quote too early to tell if kimmy k3 was improved by distillation of open ai models all right well we have to thank rw nash for this one in the subreddit reddit stock dropped about six percent after the wall street journal reported the company may not renew its$60 million a year AI data licensing deal with Google because both sides sit far apart on pricing of the deal.

31:02Yeah. Reddit is getting more and more, like Reddit continues to recognize the value of its data set. IBM is buying HRL laboratories from Boeing and General Motors. This is to add silicon spin qubits to its quantum roadmap, along with its existing superconducting cubit work. Well, the European Commission approved Saudi Arabia's public investment fund-led $55 billion deal to take Electronic Arts Private. That clears a major regulatory hurdle for what is set to be the largest gaming acquisition ever. And finally, ending the headlines on a pretty sad note, John C. Dvorak, longtime PC Magazine columnist, No Agenda podcast co-host, also regularly on the This Week in Tech podcast network when I and Tom Merritt worked there.

31:54I booked and worked with him a handful of times. He died on July 20th, a few days ago, at the age of 80. So yeah, sorry to hear that. We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. And today, Christopher wants to remind us of Honda's early EV. Yes, he does. Christopher writes on DTNS5312 from last Friday, Jason mentioned it being weird that Honda couldn't do the Prius thing. Many years ago, Honda introduced the Insight, which was a very similar style hybrid to the Prius, but the Prius just was more efficient and more popular. Now, Honda has several hybrid models, including the new Civic Hybrid, which kind of goes spec for spec with the Prius in terms of seating and cargo capacity and miles per gallon there are some reviewers who even claim that they have beat toyota at the prius's own game i currently drive a honda civic hybrid and i test drove a prius before i bought it toyota have seemed to have seemed have seemed to have made the prius more sporty and cool while honda focused on cargo space and fuel economy signed christopher ashmore thank you christopher that's good insight yeah i think i think in my mind when i said prius i i was probably thinking more just like the straight ev which i know that there is a version i think there's a version of the prius that is straight ev even though that's not the version that most people know i i used to own a prius like our family we used to have a prius um you know years ago and four years um so i'm very yeah very familiar with the hybrid side of things and um yeah so my apologies that that's just speaking to my general lack of understanding of of following very closely the the automotive industry so of course honda has something that's similar you know from a hybrid perspective that makes a lot of sense that was really good because yeah i think that the prius just is like just more well known for whatever reason uh yeah for whatever reason mainstream like for us for us more like non-car people so that was really helpful um truly helping each other understand uh sometimes it's not us helping you guys understand but you you're helping us understand and if you have more of that whatever you're thinking about you have insight please share it with us, feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com.

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