Honda is Getting Out of the EV Market in the US - DTNS 5312

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2:08This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, July 17th, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context, and help each other understand. Today, Honda is getting out of the EV business in the U.S. for now. For now. For now. Where are you going, Honda? Come back. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Wynwood now. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. All right. Honda, which I have a personal affection for because when I grew up, my mom always had a Honda. She was a Honda Accord lady. And so I've spent many of my life hours in a Honda. Anyways, that's part of what drew me to this story, that one factoid.

2:50Honda is ending sales of its Prologue electric SUV in the U.S. at the end of the year. Effectively means that the company is exiting the U.S. EV market for now. The Prologue first launched in just not very long ago, a couple of years ago, 2024, after being announced in 2021. The decision to remove it from the U.S. market actually follows Honda's cancellation of three other upcoming U.S. EVs in March. That happened in March. That was attributed to the removal of federal EV incentives here in the U.S. by the U.S. president. The prologue itself was originally meant to jumpstart Honda's broader EV push built on GM's, that is General Motors, Ultium battery platform that it was working with.

3:44But GM walked away from Ultium in 2024 in favor of other battery formats that left Honda shifting focus back to its own EV platform and leaving Prologue kind of orphaned in the U.S. product lineup when it came to EVs here in the U.S. Still, the Prologue, this is what's really interesting, ranked as the sixth best-selling EV in the U.S. in 2025. So did pretty darn well last year behind the Tesla Model Y, behind the Model 3, but ahead of almost all the others, which is kind of crazy that this change is happening even in light of that, right? Honda is pledging that owners will continue to get full dealer support for service, parts, and warranty coverage.

4:35And Honda plans to keep selling compact EVs in markets where maybe things are just a little bit more hospitable to EV like Japan and China. Have you ever had a Honda? Do you have any affiliation or affinity to Honda vehicles? i i don't mind hondas i'm more of a toyota girl for nostalgia and subaru girl in terms of like my actual vehicles but now it's really interesting though i mean like i i know many many people with of course um honda accords being a big car uh for folks when i was a younger person it's really interesting i um and i i don't i am not a car person i do love my cars but i'm not a car person per se and i'm not as as familiar with the market but it really feels like at the same while just from observationally it feels like evs have really picked up you know in the u.s in certain for certain makers and of course like tesla's tesla being the big one but also like wait who made the prius that was toyota it was toyota yeah and toyota obviously had like a lot of success with like you know their um with their models and also like i know like you know kia and like all the also all the major uh manufacturers for the most part had their own ev models this is kind of surprising honestly because just honda is a pretty popular maker uh here in the us so yeah but at the same time i guess as like a subaru owner um i know like it's it's really weird to go to other countries even japan and not see many subarus around uh yeah you don't see too many supers in japan obviously uh strangely enough but to kind of see them not really have a foothold in terms of their evs like they played around with evs a bit or and hybrids but they haven't had the same like success as the other models and i'm kind of wondering if that's like just an effect of like the american ev market like what is it that american ev buyers like want is it still kind of more of a premium like is are evs still more kind of on the premium side for car buyers because obviously there's like companies like audi um like like audi and i can't think of any other off the top of my head that have ev models that i'm seeing around but yeah not as many of the compact evs or or is it just that maybe honda didn't quite just just as you said didn't quite get a foothold and now it's a little bit difficult just kind of with everything yeah i don't know i mean i i realize this is about an suv right this is an ev suv so not a very compact vehicle but often when i think of honda and my own experience my own history with honda with my mom you know she had an accord she had a civic she she's had all different kinds of hondas but i do think of kind of the smaller vehicles and then when i you know you mentioned prius we also had a prius at one point i'm i'm just really surprised that honda couldn't do the prius thing in the u.s because i have to imagine that there would be a lot of demand for it and i mean you know you take this SUV it's not like it was failing here it was in the it was doing well when when compared to other EVs in the country which I think says less about like our that side of our business is failing I think what it says more about is just that there's really challenging economics and policy stuff happening here right things have really shifted um both for consumers and for car companies on those incentives, the lack of incentives, those incentives going away.

7:55That's a huge hit for the industry in the U.S. That alone makes me a bit unsurprised that companies are kind of in a position to have to reconsider or considering what they do differently. GM, Ford had canceled its own electric SUV in the U.S., delayed its EV pickup. Stellantis, They restructured, they reduced their EV production in the U.S. And a lot of this kind of timed with some of these shifts happening in policy. And so it's just, it's unfriendly to EVs here where it didn't used to be. It used to be a little bit more friendly to that technology. So Honda's like, okay, well, you know, over Japan and China, like they welcome EVs with open arms.

8:39Like, let's just go play in that sandbox. Why do we need to be here? It's a bummer for us, right? Yeah, absolutely. And like, yeah, definitely for sure. And I think to be fair, one can speculate the incentives are why EVs have seen quite a pickup in the last several years. Oh, yeah. I would think so. Yeah. It is a weird time, especially with Sosuukinami positions. People are much more kind of conscious with what buying power they have. And so certainly – also, and this is something – I guess maybe as a side tangent. I mean I still have a conventional – sorry, a combustion engine regular Subaru Crosstrek.

9:14and i think especially in the u.s i think like among many of us we have like a conscientiousness where we want to move away from like you know combustion engines to evs but it's like a really weird time as well because i've always heard the advice lately that really what you want to do is lease an ev rather or or buy secondhand if you can just because that the battery tech obviously is changing and shifting so much that if you're someone who just wants to have like the cool new thing than just lease and kind of go from that structure but at the same time when i was growing up my parents were like don't ever lease a car yeah so i don't know if maybe that's like a really prevalent mindset where it's just like well it just also at the same time why would i buy in a more expensive suv ev when you know like i don't know just it just feels like a lot of it just feel like because the technology is new because it's shifting around our i guess our patterns and our spending habits are still adjusting to how EVs work or EVs as like a technology and as a kind of consumer product are working.

10:15It's just really interesting. So yeah, I guess it makes sense. As you said, in Japan and China, it's probably more of a win for Honda to just focus on those markets and later figure out what's going on in the US. I mean, and there's an insane amount of of competition and, and options in those markets as well. And it definitely has me wishful that we could get more EV competition here in the U S like if some of those vehicles that are, that are predominant and doing so well, like BYD and others in China could be over here that would, you know, that I would see that as a good thing for the market.

10:52But of course, things really are going in the opposite direction right now here in the U S. And I don't know when that's going to change anytime soon. Well, if and when it does, we will be here chatting about it as best we can. Regardless of whether we're car people or not, we're going to talk to you guys about it. And so we'll also take time to thank you guys for listening to us, whether we talk about cars or other things. And DTS is made possible by you, the listeners. So let's take time to thank Jeff Wilkes, Tim Deputy, Brandon Brooks, and Michael Babcock. Thank you guys so much. Yay, yay, hooray.

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14:25All right, there is more we need to know today, so let's get to the briefs. All right, well, we have a few items telling the broader story of AI and China on the world stage. All right, first, everyone seems to be very interested in the release of Kimi K3. This is a new frontier model from Moonshot AI. It's positioned as the first open 3 trillion parameter class system, very capable with long horizon coding, large code-based analysis, tool using agents, knowledge work, and reasoning. It still trails proprietary top models like Claude Fable 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol, but it is said to go toe-to-toe with Claude Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.5, which is a first for open models.

15:08So think of it as a near-frontier level open model. And what's even more interesting is how this ties into China's broader push in open-weight ai and computer independence and on that note chinese president xi jinping opened the world ai conference in shanghai with a keynote where he launched a 29 nation ai launch alliance rather called wiko wiko waco w-a-i-c-o the world artificial intelligence cooperation organization headquartered in shanghai xi's pitch was that ai development quote should not be a solo performance by a single country, but a symphony of international cooperation. And he warned against, quote, overstretching the national security concept, which was clearly targeting Washington.

15:54He pledged 5 ,000 AI training slots for developing countries over the next five years. Yeah, interesting stuff. And I think as far as that is concerned, this is, you know, this is a, yes, a uniting move amongst all of the countries or the nations that are involved in that, but it really is all about kind of China putting itself more into a driver's seat position, I would say, setting AI policy on the world stage as opposed to kind of being in the backseat and reacting and responding. And this is the push-pull that we're seeing right now in the U.S. and all of the kind of impact that the U.S. government is kind of bringing into the major tech players that are most of them based in the us and kind of what that means um to the pressure that is applied outside of the country then you got china with its open kind of process the kind of the open weight aspect of things or the open source aspect of ai saying hey wait a minute we deserve to be here and actually we can go toe-to-toe with those things and they're both pulling in different directions it's like one has a lot of control like potentially a lot of control over the models and the other is let you know let those models free yeah and uh it's just interesting to see the the kind of power uh struggle that's that's forming right now yeah it's definitely a very different perspective as a very long time software engineer the idea of open source open models is is kind of inherently appealing to me at any rate.

17:32And obviously, we've heard other US based companies kind of, you know, criticize open models a little bit. So it is very interesting that, and I don't, I can't tell you whether this was like, like, oh, well, we're going to go open despite or whether that was just kind of like a foundational, like kind of precept, like these, these, this kind of entire other family of models. But again, as a software engineer, That's very appealing. That kind of feels like the way that, you know, ideally a lot of this kind, especially software like this, or it's really weird to call it. I don't even know how to call it software.

18:06Like technology like this that has such wide sweeping effects and is becoming, you know, just such a kind of daily driver of commerce, human computer interaction. it makes it i mean to me innovation by any ears innovation um i like that um it makes i mean to me it it feels better for it to be open source now of course um and i guess pair that with what you know however you feel from from whatever country you're from about the politics around this but it is very interesting kind of like the step the the the the very opposing perspectives both from a technology side and a technology development side but also like the political international collaboration side.

18:47It is quite interesting. And for users, there's what this says about this reliance on these costly cloud-based, subscription-based systems which we've very quickly become kind of expectant upon. And then you've got these open models and so far it seemed like the open models have been lagging behind and they still do it's not like this is like a fable you know territory but the thing is that gap is shrinking and as a user like take the politics and set it aside as a user would i prefer for my models that i work with on a daily basis to be in the cloud paid by subscription managed by somebody else trust in somebody else blah blah blah or would i kind of prefer it to be all local and like i have control over and to be quite honest that's what i would prefer.

19:43And so it's interesting to see those gaps shrinking. That's a really good point too. Anecdotally, I've had lots of friends who, you know, if you're a software engineer, you kind of have to confront generative AI. You just have to. And you all know my position on it, very skeptical, but I am using it. But at the same time, even people that I know personally that are more like me, they're still like, we recognize it as a tool. And as you said, Jason, an at-home kind of like offline local is still very appealing. And that's, and that's, I think what, what really grabs some of us is that, oh, if I take what I perceive to be the quote unquote bad stuff out, which is like the high cost and like the proprietary, like the more like kind of like cloud-based stuff, and I can play with it on my own terms, that really attracts people.

20:28So I think that, that, that you're a hundred percent spot on there that, and especially with all the, again, socioeconomic factors, big neon sign that, that the openness and kind of local um is so much more appealing than again token maxing and trying to run up like well we're not doing that anymore because obviously it wasn't tenable but you know the token maxing era is over it was so quickly done oh man seeing some of like the prices like if you look at android bench and like we were looking at them on android faith like oh my gosh i don't i think work actually would yell at me if i used used uh whatever this what i forgot what the top one was but it was like $133 per something or other.

21:06And I was like, nope, we're not doing that. I'm not getting that. I'm not getting that. Until they tell you like, yes, you do. And then they tell you, no, you don't. And then I think I even saw a story that I can't remember. I didn't put it in the rundown, but a story of a company that basically told its workers like, hey, we're not giving you raises because we need the money for all of the AI that we're doing. And yeah, I bet that's not going over so well. Sorry, pardon my, oh my goodness gracious. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Okay, y 'all. Well, that's really, anywho. Anywho. Well, speaking of models, Bloomberg reported that Google's Gemini 3.5 Pro is now months behind schedule with 10 current and former employees saying to Bloomberg that engineers and managers inside the company are worried about losing ground to Anthropic and OpenAI because they are continuing to get their models right with coding, right?

22:02They're doing all these things, pushing out all these things, and Google apparently with the Gemini 3.5 Pro really lagging behind and really trying to get that right before they go public with it. Google had hoped to bring the model to Google I.O. in May with a June rollout, but the company held back. It's refreshing its training data. It's boosting its capabilities around coding. But ultimately, those tests that they've been running on, those changes have been disappointing internally. Google is saying it's currently testing 3.5 Pro, an upgraded flash model and other models with partners, but no indication when those are going to actually be announced.

22:39Google's also in active talks with the US government on AI safety issues related to those models. But, you know, this was just interesting to me because, you know, Google, I can acknowledge here, Google never put out a firm public date on the release of this model. So it's not like they said it's going to be then and then it's not. And that's a big story. But it is just continually interesting to me how fast things change. because it was not long ago that Google was far in the backseat and we were waving our fingers at Google for not being where it should be because it had all the early research on Transformers and all that kind of stuff.

23:17I can't believe Google fumbled the ball so hard. And then they got into the front spot and now they're in the back spot. I mean, it's like a game of, I don't know, table tennis or like horse. What is it that people play? Pickleball. Pickleball. Pickleball. But it's more than just a couple of people on the court. So maybe it's like a horse race. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah, definitely a horse race. Yeah. A horse race. You just can't keep it up. Yeah, no. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. Actually, if anyone's interested for a YouTube deep dive, there's this creator called, I think it's called Alberta Code.

23:53She's a software engineer. I believe she used to work at Google. and she actually kind of had some videos kind of talking about insights into like that also it seems like we had at least for us as outside observers have this like cognitive dissonance i'm like it's google why are they behind in this race why why is their horse what's what's up with it what's up with their horse in the race and she had some interesting observations as as just being a actual like a regular google software engineer working within google not on not on llms and generative ai but just anyway if you're interested i would say i don't want to paraphrase anything but it just seems like yeah it's it's just such an interesting cognitive dissonance between what we perceive google to be and obviously i work on a google platform so it's like huh just just really interesting um yeah what what this also reminded me of um is that last november google had invited me out to sit down with the uh gemini 3 team at the time.

24:48This was like smack dab. Gemini 3 had just released. It was on Tuesday. I was there on a Wednesday sitting with them. Thursday, it was the eve of Nano Banana Pro's release. So it was a really big week, right? Me and a handful of other creators got a chance to sit down with Google and just talk about what it's like being on the team, what they're creating and everything. And they were talking a lot at that point about just the importance of shipping fast, how in AI development, you don't really have the benefit of releasing something and like, ah, yay, we finally did it. Because everybody's on everybody's heels.

25:27They're constantly innovating in bunny ears. And so that just makes me think with this, some of those people internally, they're probably sweating bullets. You know, it's just so interesting, the pressure of being in charge and making these systems right now, I have to imagine. yeah especially with presumably if you kind of um snake eating its own tail use the i models to generate more code oh yeah which they are definitely doing which feels like just hitting that nitro on that well i guess we're talking about horses do you know you don't can you give a horse nitro coffee that'd probably be bad for them feed them yeah i don't know i know nothing about racing horses i can't even offer any guesses i'm picturing it though um oh and by the way that The creator was Alberta Tech.

26:12I mispronounced. Alberta Tech. Alberta Tech. She's actually pretty funny. Okay. Would you like a creepy little robot block? Sure. I know you would. Let's do it. Well, first, the Salamanca City Central School District in New York is running a summer pilot that puts a humanoid robot called Sally into high school AI and robotics classrooms. Sally will act as a teacher's aide and after-hours tutor, powered by an AI system named, all right, help me out, Jason. Is it Optio? Op Show? Optio. Optio would be my guess, but I didn't hear anyone say it out loud. All right, Optio. It's a partnership with Realbotics from Toronto to test if these robots can deliver useful assistance to students with natural language, facial expressions, and live feedback.

26:55They have been programmed to work with education-specific safety guardrails. Students log in with their student ID, which helps them receive personalized support based on their unique learning data. And in a completely different direction, South Korean and U.S. researchers from KAIST, Keist, and Stanford University have built a self-dressing robot that can pull on a... Self-dressing. Self-dressing all by itself. It can pull on an entire suit onto a person around 10 seconds without the person using their hands. It uses soft and flexible air-powered vines embedded into the clothing that crawl up the wearer slowly.

27:33You need to watch the video of this to really understand. As they stand still, ultimately covering their entire body, the team sees near-term use for elderly and disabled people and for situations where workers need to suit up and remove the gear quickly, like emergency services and clean rooms. Okay. It really is kind of like the things you've seen where a vine is crawling up. Crawling up. Yeah. Why am I suddenly blanking on the technology where you do long exposure video or whatever or time lapse? That's what I'm looking for. Time lapse of a vine kind of crawling up. But instead of it being a vine up like a pole, it's clothing that just like wraps itself around you.

28:14And hopefully it stops and it doesn't just like start suffocating you, which is just weird looking. Yeah, it was like a jumpsuit. And the vines are pretty thick. They're like these really thick vines. So, I mean, it's a very simple use case. Actually, I think emergency services and clean rooms makes a lot of sense because you're imagining like the PPE, right? the big kind of clothing where you probably can't touch it i will say that um not this is not a drag on them but i was hoping that it would zip itself up but the the the person wearing the jump yes i totally the guy because it goes up it goes up but then the guy has to like pull the zipper to like zip up the front i'm like seriously the robot can do that you can't also zip the clothes or velcro but um this is i mean it's it's a it's a first concept so i know we're all imagining something from i don't know sci-fi or anime or something but it is it is an interesting idea and and again like i really feel like any of these like especially robotics has a really good area to address in regards to disabled elderly folks and yeah accessibility and all that so absolutely accessibility and of course yeah emergency clean emergency and clean rooms that sounds really awesome like i imagine it must be very difficult if you're trying to get into ppe and you know you're trying to keep it clean or sanitize not touching and not touch anything so um yeah we'll to just we'll we'll see where this goes it's really interesting if you're curious please google it and look at or look at the show notes and look at the video uh and i guess let us know what you think if you have any other ideas um but you know what else we have for you today is some new patreon perks because they're here we have new benefits including exclusive ways to find out what's going on behind the scenes and even have a voice in the show and from now until july 31st if you use the code experiment.

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31:08All right, we got a bunch of quick headlines to leave you with. There's some really smart stuff in here. You're going to feel smarter after we talk about some of these things. I guarantee it. Well, Apple sent legal letters to about 40 former employees now at OpenAI, ordering them to save documents as part of its trade secret lawsuit over hardware designs. More than 400x Apple employees work at OpenAI. And Apple says what it's found so far is, quote, the tip of the iceberg. Dun, dun, dun.

31:40Yeah, could we edit that in in post, please? He's the dramatic chipmunk. Thank you. Netflix said about 300 of its titles used generative AI this year for VFX work like crowd scenes and battle sequences. On a separate note, Netflix shares fell almost 10 % after forecasts came below expectations. The company also announced it'll shift to annual engagement reports starting in 2027. All right. Well, in the continuing theme of like, I guess you really can bet on anything. Prediction Market Calci is now letting users bet on Phase 3 clinical trial outcomes and FDA drug approval decisions for biotech companies with market caps above$500 million.

32:22I can't help but read Polymarket and Calci and just want to shake my head. I don't like them. I don't like them. We can tell. I know. But there you go. Somebody does. People do. I just, I don't care for her. San Francisco's city attorney sent cease and desist letters to Apple and Google demanding they remove 13 AI Nudify apps from their stores, eight from the App Store, five from Google Play. Yes, please. Google Vids, the workspace video creation tool, now lets users create a digital avatar that looks and sounds like them from a selfie and a voice recording, and it's limited to users 18 and older.

32:58Good. Probably a good thing. Yes. Thanks to R.W. Nash in the subreddit for this one. Security researchers found that Anthropix Cloud Chrome extension doesn't actually verify whether clicks come from actual users. That lets malicious extensions trigger AI actions like reading their Gmail or scheduling calendar events. It is a flaw that has not been patched as of the latest version. So hopefully it will be. A California class action accuses Apple of knowing for over a year about a flaw that could expose real email addresses behind its hide my email aliases while continuing to charge for the feature.

33:36OpenAI confirmed that GPT 5.6 has been sporadically deleting user files when running in full access mode, including Mac system files and production database credentials. officials open AI has called the incidents honest mistakes and said the company plans to update its developer guidance and add safeguards just general rule if you don't want an agent to do something don't give it the access to do it end of story amen well Amazon Zoox is recalling all 105 of its over taxis after one drove into heavy smoke near an active fire in June and had to be reversed out by a remote operator zooks has since pushed a software update that adds smoke detection well lisa's there now i guess a who commissioned review of 63 studies found no evidence that mobile phones cause brain or head and neck cancers even among heavy users brain cancer rates by the way have actually declined worldwide despite billions of people using cell phones Well, that's a nice fact.

34:40I like hearing that. It's interesting. Yeah. I feel like, but tomorrow we're going to get a report on the opposite side. That's how these things work. All right. Well, enjoy it today, y 'all. Well, Micron signed three to five year supply deals with eight auto partnerships, including Qualcomm, Hyundai Mobis, and Samsung's Harman to provide memory chips for AI-powered vehicle systems like driver assistance and digital cockpits. And finally, Signal is beta testing the ability to link an Android phone or a tablet as a secondary device so you can sync your chat history without needing a separate phone number.

35:14There you go. All right. All right. Well, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspectives. Today we have some thoughts from Alex C on Patrick and Roger's Experiment Week show on upcycling. Yeah, Alex C writes, I always love hearing from Roger and Patrick. I also love checking out pawn shops, Gazelle, eBay, and the certified re-burst. Re-burst. Re-burst. Re-burst. Re-burst. Re-burst. Re-burst. Don't buy re-burst stuff, y 'all. No. And the certified refurbished sections of retailers like Apple and Best Buy. I also usually look for open box items on BestBuy.com and Amazon. You never know what you're going to find in there.

35:50It's kind of exciting. And then you get a good deal and you're like, yay. Oh, dude. I love me an open box item. I sure do. I surely do. So thank you much, Alex C. And yeah, definitely all y 'all. If you haven't yet, check out Patrick and Roger's Upcycling from Experiment Week. Well, what are you thinking about? Do you have some insight? We would love to hear it. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Indeed. And a big thank you to Alex C. for contributing to today's show. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. That's right, you. Because I'm pointing at you if you're watching the video version.

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