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3:09This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, May 26, 2026. We tell you what you need to know, give you the important context and help each other understand. Today, we're getting into a little known topic, the effect of AI on jobs. I'm sure none of you have thought about it, but we have some actual numbers on this, some studies to kick around, and there's some good news. Yeah, quite a lot bubbling up there. Super interested to talk about that. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Tom Merritt. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story.

3:44As I mentioned, several stories today shining a light on the effect of generative models on jobs. aggregate employment in developed countries remains stable. Data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, or the BLS, shows that the unemployment rate for jobs potentially most affected by generative models is lower than for less exposed occupations. That is very good news. U.S. Census data shows that one in five companies is using generative models in a business function. That might be a little less than you would expect. So the pervasiveness of these tools is probably a little overstated in the general press.

4:23The Yale Budget Lab has been studying this since back when ChatGPT launched, and their report in March found changes in the types of jobs was high. but that is a trend that predated the appearance of chat GPT. And when they look at unemployment duration for those in roles that are thought to be exposed to AI, they didn't find an effect. There is unemployment duration changes, but they don't seem to be affected by the use of the tools. Now, they're going to do an update in a few weeks and we'll see if that holds. Then the MIT Technology Review had a great article detailing how we're seeing the first effect on entry-level positions.

5:04And that's where the news is not as good. Anthropic released a report this past March that found, and I'll quote, suggestive evidence that hiring of younger workers has slowed in exposed occupations. And a working paper released November by the Stanford Digital Economy Lab found that since 2022, when ChatGPT first appeared publicly, I'm going to quote from that report as well, workers ages 22 to 25 in the most AI-exposed occupations, like software development and customer service, have experienced a 16 % relative decline in employment after controlling for other causes. That's important. There are declines in employment for lots of reasons.

5:45They tried to control for those reasons and say, when you take those effects out, it seems like we actually have a 16 % decline in these early career employment offerings. In contrast, employment for workers in less exposed fields and for more experienced workers in the same occupations as the exposed fields remained stable or even grew. And in jobs where generative tools are mainly used to augment your job rather than automate it, headcounts grew faster than the average for entry-level workers. So the key there, Jason, is that if you're replacing a role, that's having a bad effect on entry-level.

6:23But if you can have an entry-level that uses that tool, then that's good. You're actually getting more of those jobs. Yeah. I mean, and that's just kind of a common, I mean, that's certainly how I felt about these tools. Yeah. This moment is destabilizing. It's uncertain. I think there's a lot of reason, you know, a lot of what you were just talking about. We've been hearing these stories of kind of that 20 to 25 range, you know, students coming out of college, having a kind of a pushback or resistance to AI just kind of as a whole. And I think this is largely why, right? The threat of, oh, shoot, like I'm going to end my time in university.

7:05Am I actually going to have a job to go into? And it does sound like what you're saying. There is a little bit of that. But the overarching sentiment really ties in with how I feel about these tools, which is this doesn't necessarily have to slash will mean that these things just completely go away. If we start doing our job now to figure out how we integrate and collaborate, let's say, as one word, with these things, then we set ourselves up for success potentially down the line. And so that kind of ties in with what you're talking about there. Yeah, no, it's the transition. We are. I've talked a long time about like the transition could be disruptive and hard or it could be easy and short.

7:46And we are beginning the transition. So we're getting our first. No matter what, it's different. And we are starting that transition. Yeah. Yeah. Now, one piece of good news, the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas found in February that wages are rising in AI exposed occupations that place a high value on a worker's tacit knowledge and experience. experience that's one of the reasons it's affecting entry-level jobs more is that the companies are saying oh if you if you know a job uh we're not gonna we're not gonna replace you with an ai tool we're gonna ask you to use it to do that job even better which is the smart thing to do but as we were just talking about if the role can be automated that that's a thing you give interns and stuff like oh do this tedious job well now you don't have to give it to an intern anymore that means those roles aren't there and that means that people coming out into the workplace are like, wait, I'm looking for this kind of job and that kind of job is not there.

8:38So there's another article that I think is worth taking a look at from MIT Technology Review. This one written by Georgios Petropoulos. He's an assistant professor at the USC Marshall School of Business, arguing that we need to start adapting now by changing our educational approach. So we're not training people for jobs that are going away, but we're training them for the new kinds of jobs being created at the entry level and also giving businesses incentives to adapt their training and hiring as well of these early career workers and not just get rid of all the early career jobs because then you have no more new people to train and become experienced and then you run out of people, which is always the fear, right?

9:18And if you are someone entering the job market, you can prepare yourself by becoming fluent in LLMs and agents, et cetera, and then learn how to apply that knowledge to your area of expertise. That's something that's going to help you get a job if you can show a company, hey, you know what? I can use this to give you something new. And if you're young, you can pick up these tools faster and maybe even get better than the experienced workers. So that's something to pay attention to as well. He writes, every graduate should know how to use AI tools, check their output, understand their limits and combine them with human expertise.

9:55Here's some more numbers to consider. the unemployment rate for recent college graduates rose to 5.6%, while the underemployment rate, that's a share of graduates working in jobs that really wouldn't require a college degree. So you're a college graduate, but you're working in a job that you wouldn't have had to go to college for. So you're considered underemployed because of that. That reached 42.5%. That is the highest level since 2020, since the pandemic. That isn't all caused by AI, but the advance of these tools certainly isn't slowing it down. It might be accelerating it. Meanwhile, anecdotal evidence that we are starting to see some new kinds of jobs being created.

10:35The Next Web has an interesting story about two former investment bankers who are out of work as an investment banker, but now charging the banks they used to work for up to$25 ,000 a day to teach their senior staff how to use large language models and agents and all of that kind of stuff. In fact, they're booked two months out. They're getting jobs with T. Rowe Price, Citibank, Bank of America. And of course, Stanford Digital Economy Lab, which is another place that has been tracking this, we talked about earlier, is about to launch a regularly updated project providing data on exactly this. So we're going to start getting that in addition to the Yale Budget Lab regular reports.

11:16So we'll start to be able to see what's happening in real time as we go. And this is where the rubber meets the road, Jason. You know, this is where we try to figure out, like, is this moving too fast to adapt to? How are we going to adapt to it? And how do we make sure that companies don't get too short-sighted and just, you know, like, oh, I can save a lot of money by firing a bunch of people. That's great. Right. That's not only not great for the people who lose their jobs, but it's also not great for the company. It's very short-sighted because eventually another company is going to take advantage of all these entry-level workers that are available that have trained themselves up and, you know, they're going to outcompete the other companies.

11:53Well, and that company that just got rid of this large swath of workers suddenly finds itself, who knows how far into the distant, into the nearer distant future in a position where they might regret that because they actually need those people because it wasn't quite what they expected on the other end. I mean, I think, I think what this really, um, in aggregate, this is quite a lot of stories lumped together. So I think it's a really great view, um, that really just kind of seems to point to the need slash emphasis on learning, on training on these skills and these tools. These things have been around long enough now where I'm noticing just the people that are in my life but aren't necessarily tech people starting to kind of reach a point of acceptance if they were resistant before and just being like, all right, so these things aren't going away.

12:44How can I possibly use these things? because it seems like everybody else is. And I mean, we're going to talk later in the show briefly about the Pope's encyclical Pope certainly, you know, talking along these lines of like, you know, there's no point in like resisting this moment because it's happening. So how do you move forward with it instead of cutting against the grain? And that kind of seems to be what I take from your summary here. Just standing in line for a concert this weekend, I was hearing people around me saying, well, I asked chat GPT dot, dot, dot, you know, like just casual conversation like that is happening.

13:22And, and, and I think it's worth, you know, emphasizing or acknowledging that this is scary. This is scary for everybody because it's uncertain. We don't know. There's no guarantees, you know, what's going to happen. And we're coming out of a period of increased uncertainty. Well, we're in a period. I shouldn't even say coming out. we're in a period because of because of covid because of world events that that this adds to the uncertainty so you know if you're feeling scared and nervous and like I don't want this to happen you are not alone but there also are ways to deal with this and there are some there are some evidence that there is a way forward that isn't just apocalypse and I think that's worth paying attention to as well I completely agree well hopefully the people who support this show completely agree with us trying to give you that kind of information so you can make your own mind up about it.

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18:31All right, there's plenty more we need to know today. So we're going to jump right into the briefs. Reviews for the Fitbit Air. They are out there in the air floating around. This is the latest fitness wearable from Google. It's out. And you may remember, we talked about it in recent weeks. It's a screenless wristband activity tracker, kind of stylish thing. It kind of blends in with your fashion, let's say, costs around$100. Reviewers seem to like how comfortable and thin the band is, that fabric band, of which you can replace that band and everything. If you don't like the style, you can swap it out.

19:11Not to mention the ability for the band to kind of blend in with what you happen to be wearing. So that's good. The hardware itself that's embedded into the band, or rather docked into it, it's this small pill piece of hardware, hides inside the band. And they say, you know, that's small enough to kind of hide away and you forget that it's there mostly. Sina did point out the awkwardness of having a wrist wearable without a screen to show, you know, the time throughout the day, which I mean, this is a screenless wearable. So you kind of expect that, but might be weird to look down and not have that.

19:44The hardware itself also lacks GPS and NFC sensors. So there is some limited functionality there. software wise uh sounds like reviewers are saying this is very much a google health driven device mostly requires the app for much of its features that includes health dashboards ai generated summaries for you know your activities your sleep uh heart metrics skin temperature afib alerts stuff like that it also includes gemini health um gemini based health coach features for training plans you've got food logging workout interpretations and more All that kind of managed inside the software, but pulling pertinent information from the band.

20:22Reviewers do seem to agree that many of the software features are sometimes useful, sometimes pretty glitchy and repetitive, sometimes off base. But one very important note is that they're free inside the Google Health app, whereas competitors like the Whoop, you're paying extra for that stuff. And speaking of, there are plenty of direct comparisons to Whoop wearables. uh that you know that company kind of launched their first screenless wearables all the way back in 2015 they're doing great but the fitbit air doesn't apparently compete with the whoop on battery life it comes in around seven to ten days uh which is shorter than whoops two week standard so you're limited there overall it sounds like an inexpensive on-ramp uh for people looking for an expanded health data experience definitely not though a smartwatch replacement which I mean you know again it's a screenless wearable like of course it's not a smart watch replacement it's not a watch it's not a watch yeah exactly that that's what some of the google folks are are screaming at these reviews uh yeah and also uh worth reminding folks that if you were looking for the fitbit app it is now google health uh so folks at our discord were were making fun of the fact that the logo kind of looks like the southwest airlines logo uh you know so don't be confused if you're trying to book a flight and you're suddenly seeing your heart metrics You can't do that on this screenless band.

21:45You can't get assigned seats or anything. But yeah, I think I was taken by all of the reviews not really agreeing on the pros and cons as much as I usually see when I look at all these different reviews. Everybody's got a very different perspective. I even saw some people putting the$100 price tag in the con side, even though most people were saying it's a good bargain. So a lot of different opinions on this, not as much consensus. But as our mutual friend and co-host, Wen Tui Dao, has pointed out, a lot of people very excited about this versus the Whoop lock-in and some of the activities that the Whoop businesses have done.

22:23So I think you're going to see a lot of people trying this out. It is a little confusing, though, that it is a Google Fitbit, but the app is Google Health, not Fitbit. Google, never good with those naming things. They tend to enjoy getting in there and messing it up when things are stated and understandable. It's like, all right, we've got to change things now. This name is just too understandable. A couple other stories here today about how these generative models are flooding different kinds of systems. So first, a study from MIT and the University of Southern California looking at 4.5 million civil cases and 46 million PACER entries.

23:06It's a legal system showing that the pro se rate, basically those filing without a lawyer, has doubled since the launch of ChatGPT. So people thinking they can save on paying for a lawyer by just using ChatGPT. That had been flat for around two decades prior. So this is not a previous trend. Also, they noted that nearly one in five complaints now contains generated text, something that absolutely did not exist prior to 2023. Lawyered cases have also seen an increase of 123 percent more filings as well. That is resulting in judges and institutions facing a big increase in workload related to those cases.

23:48So the lawyers are also using these tools. This is the augmented use instead of the replacement use. We're seeing both in this case. One is people saying, I don't need a lawyer. I'll just use ChatGPT. Lawyers saying, oh, I can do more cases if I use this to help me file the summaries. And yet we don't have more judges. One of the judges commented on the ballooning of court filings as an existential threat to federal courts. So this is a new problem we're going to have to deal with is how do we, you know, it's like spam. You know, how do we deal with the increased number of things people can do with these tools?

24:20And of course, we've been talking about this in bug reports for a long time. Google Cloud COO Francis D'Souza speaking about the impact of AI on enterprise security practices at an event in L.A. He talked about shadow AI use of consumer tools that result in dramatically faster attack development and implementation. He said the time from discovering a vulnerability to attack has dropped from eight hours to 22 seconds between breach stages and how the increased impacts that's going to impact your organization working to protect themselves because they have to react so much faster. You don't have time to do proper vetting and elevation and testing.

25:01So he's arguing that companies need a platform approach. In other words, prepare for these before they happen. You need data, security, and governance designed together, not tacked on later. Basically, you got to be proactive instead of reactive if you want to keep pace with this pace of threat development. And this is just from public tools, right? We're not talking about people having access to frontier models that are restricted like Mythos and that sort of thing. Yeah, definitely. This is a story that I continue to hear and track, I know, on this show and then on AI Inside around security.

25:35Just last week, Linus Torvalds was complaining about the influx. I think it was last week, anyways, the influx of these bug reports. And it's like, it's too much. Do some extra work here. It's not enough to just say, here, here's 500 % more for you to look through. We don't have the ability or the capacity to do that. Because not all bugs require the same amount of attention, right? No, totally. Well, and then you also have the models kind of detecting the same things because multiple people using the same models to find the same things. So then it's not just a matter of there's a bunch of new vulnerabilities.

26:09There's a bunch of reports of that same new vulnerability coming from all directions. So it gets messy really fast. And as far as the legal thing, I think what comes to mind for me there is, A, I can't help but think of the lawyer who, you know, very early on in this generative moment did something with his case and was very much finger wagged for, you know, bringing AI so deeply into the court. just a couple of years later how much of this is happening it's just interesting to note but um also from a um from a perspective of accessibility right because what people are using these models for a lot right now are things which would have cost them a lot of money and potentially been inaccessible to them whatsoever you know without tools like this so contract review um legal review Whether they should be using these tools or not for that is one question.

27:04And that's what you're kind of talking about here is it's certainly happening. But for a lot of people, they might not have an alternative. Like they might not have a choice. And now suddenly they can, you know, I think I read immigration applicants have learned through Reddit guides that they can use Copilot, pay a Fiverr lawyer for a quick review of what they come up with, and then file it themselves to get a faster return. And that's just the reality we live in right now. People are doing it. And it's tempting to say, well, then the judges and the bug processors need to also use these tools.

27:36And that's fair. But it's asymmetric, right? You know, the bug report processing. Yes, using these tools can help whittle them down, I'm sure. And we'll get there. But you do need human review on a bug patch before you approve it. Because you want to make sure that someone didn't hallucinate a fix that doesn't work and all this other stuff. you want to be extra sure, which is something you don't have to be on the bug reporting side, right? You can just file the bug report without vetting it yourself at all. Yeah. Yeah. And just move on. No, it's, it's cool. It'll get cut down the line if that's the case.

28:09I threw this in here, not because I'm a car guy, because I'm definitely not a car guy, but because it's a pretty car and interesting nonetheless. Thanks to R.W. Nash and the subreddit for this one. Ferrari unveiled the loose. It's a first fully electric car. It was designed with the help of johnny ive and mark newson from uh love love from is the name of their company their joint design company uh the loose is a high-end ev four electric motors 1035 horsepower 122 kilowatt hour battery or kilowatt battery uh capable of zero to 62 miles per hour 2.5 seconds so you know fast kind of a big deal i suppose if you have the money to spend on it But anyways, the interior has, quote, precision engineered mechanical buttons, dials, toggles and switches, along with multifunctional digital displays throughout.

29:00There's also a dedicated companion app so you can do the standard things like controlling your climate, charging settings, monitor your dashboard settings for the vehicle. And then on the outside, the loose is very beautiful. It's sleek. It's got this like shell type of form to it. It just looks really expensive. And it is. Starts at 550 ,000 euros. Production due in late 2026. U.S. deliveries planned for the second quarter of 2027. Like I said, I'm not much of a car guy, but I know when I look at a car and I go, that's a sexy car. And I don't just throw around that word. Like that is a nice looking car.

29:40And Johnny Ive involved. Well, yeah. Yeah. And I think having Johnny Ive involved did cause a little backlash because you have some car enthusiasts out there hating on this thing. Of course, it's the Internet. Put anything up and people are going to hate on it. Right. But I thought Tim Stevens had a really good take on this on his sub stack. He said this is like Dylan going electric at the Newport Folk Festival. Right. Everyone screamed like, how could he it's a betrayal. How could he possibly do that? And of course, eventually everybody was like, oh, Bob Dylan, pretty great, both acoustic and electric.

30:12and I think Tim thinks that of the Ferrari. He said the interior is one of the greatest he's ever seen. He wasn't that impressed when he saw photos, but when he actually got in the car, he was really impressed. We're going to have Tim on the live stream on Thursday at youtube.com slash daily tech news show to talk a little bit about all of this. But yeah, big deal for Ari going into the electric world, I think, especially when there's been some, you know, talk about, oh, is our EVs, you know, really a thing these days or not? Yeah, for sure. That is a conversation that's been coming up a lot lately.

30:42I will say from the interior design perspective, like the switches and the buttons and everything look really satisfying. There's like this one button, if I remember, I don't know if it's the one that turns it on, but it's encased in this. It almost looks like you're sitting at like the Star Wars board and you're like, you flip the lid over and you go. It just looks really satisfying. Yeah, that's the Johnny Ive touch. Totally. I've got to say. Well, folks, if you want to talk about your impression of this, you want to talk about whether you think the Google Home app looks like the Southwest app too much, you can join our conversation in our Discord.

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33:13All right. And now let's dive into some headlines. There were a lot because it was a long holiday weekend here in the U.S. So let's dive right in. Pope Leo XVI's Magnifica Humanitas Encyclical is published and frames AI as the new industrial revolution. It asks governments and big tech to disarm AI through strong legal limits, independent oversight, protection for children, and placing curbs on the power of a few of the dominant labs. Anthropic co-founder Christopher Ola joined the Pope for a public conversation where he too, in Anthropic style, argued for regulation and a moral framework for AI policy.

33:53Interesting moment. A Google AI Pro subscriber posted on X that a single Gemini query around creating an avatar video. It was just one prompt burned through their entire five hour rate limit in around four minutes. Plenty of complaints are abound out on the Internet about tighter usage caps from Google. And this definitely is feeding into that flame. Yeah. I mean, don't get the idea that everybody's burning through a five hour rate limit in four minutes. But but Google is taking a look at this and saying that shouldn't have happened. And a lot of people are complaining that that the rate limits are too strict.

34:27We also have the Virtual OS Museum, a free emulator project that lets you run more than 1 ,700 operating systems of the past, as well as apps from more than 250 platforms. You can do them offline. You can download. There's a light package that streams images on demand. And it includes Mac OS, AUX, Next Step, DOS, Windows, bunch of Unix variants, early mobile operating systems. currently runs best if you have x86 hardware doesn't do so great on apple silicon but you can try it out go check it out the virtual os museum is a wonderland for nostalgic people you can find it at virtual osmuseum.org and it deserves to exist because we need to remember these things into eternity i just love that yeah i know i love it drew houston who is dropbox founder and CEO of 19 years, is officially stepping down to become executive chairman with Ashraf Al-Karmi, who has been product chief since 2024 at Dropbox, taking over the lead at the company once that happens.

35:40Spotify keeps adding more printed stuff, which is weird. More than 650 English language long form narrated magazine articles produced in-house from outlets like Rolling Stone, The Atlantic, Vogue, Wired, Pitchfork. So that will go in the global audiobook library if you are a premium user and you pay two bucks per article. You pay two bucks. I think if you're not a premium user, you pay$2. Oh, okay. So you get them if you're a premium user. Sorry, I just spoke. You get them included. Or you can pay two bucks per article if you're not. There you go. There you go. Anthropic published an update on Project Glasswing last week, announcing plans to soon add more partners to the Mythos models, and for the first time, stating an intention to release Mythos to the general public, quote, once we've developed the far stronger safeguards that we need, end quote.

36:35Once we've brought our Colossus data center online. Also, probably helps. Huawei says that its logic folding architecture will let it produce chips with transistor density matching the 1.4 nanometer scale by 2031. Now, this is something TSMC and Samsung aim to mass produce within the next couple of years. So Huawei would still be behind, but they're catching up. The more you restrict their ability to buy the chips from someone else, the faster they're getting it, developing it themselves. Yeah, getting better themselves. The UK Civil Aviation Authority plans to launch an awareness campaign this summer to explain the importance of new rules restricting the use and carriage of portable power banks on airplanes.

37:18Yeah, something that I think a lot of people don't realize is a real risk. And there's some stats that these incidents happen more often than you might think. Memory price rises have caused Xiaomi's net income to fall 57 % on the quarter and revenue fell 11 % first fall in three years. Oh, wow. Wow, that's big. Spain's ministry in charge of consumer affairs has issued a precautionary order to block Polymarket and Calci's prediction market websites, while the ministry investigates whether a gambling license is actually required for them to operate. Yeah, this is going to be something that gets repeated in other countries, I have a feeling.

37:56We had a long holiday weekend here in the U.S., so a lot of stuff to catch up on. For example, Sennheiser announced its Momentum 5 wireless headphones come in June 16th for$400, improved active noise cancellation, Dolby Atmos support, and digital signal processing for Bluetooth. Okay. NVIDIA will no longer provide updates for the 20-year-old classic NVIDIA control panel with the exception of RTX Pro users. And those folks' Pro features will eventually be migrated to the NVIDIA app as well. You can still use the existing installs, but there will be no more features or fixes for it. So keep that in mind.

38:36Jinwei Zhao at the University of Victoria in British Columbia found mentions of a battery and USB-C in a May 7th firmware released from Starlink. This implies that we might get a battery powered version of the mini dish. That would be interesting. Very interesting. And finally, Zurich-based Orbit Robotics showed off a four-armed robot called Helio. It's designed to work in space stations unloading cargo and doing maintenance, saving$140 ,000 per astronaut hour. Yeah. They don't have legs. You don't need legs in space. You just use two of the arms to hold yourself in place and then the other two arms do stuff.

39:15Right. Yeah. We should all learn from that and work on replacing our legs with two arms. As arms? Yeah, let's get to work on that. We had every episode of DTS with some shared perspectives. Last Wednesday, we talked about the Software Freedom Conservancy's lawsuit against Vizio finally getting a trial date. Well, the SFC argues that Vizio has not properly shared all the source code it is required to under the licenses for the open source code it uses in its tvOS. Today, Jason C has some thoughts on why he thinks the SFC is right. Yeah, we spent a lot of time talking about like why Vizio would resist this and what the legal case is.

39:57But Jason C is giving us the emotional case and dare I say the ethical case. He says Vizio used open source code to literally save themselves years and decades of time to build an operating system that is robust, stable and secure as Linux. And to do that, they have to accept the Linux license. That's part of the social and legal contract for the license. I cannot agree to a contract, then break the rules, then argue that following the rules would hurt my business of selling ads. If you don't like those rules, that's fine. You can't benefit from the literal decades of work the Linux community has put in.

40:30This isn't a surprise and change in the license or anything else. Vizio and many other companies try to get the benefit of open source and ignore the conditions they don't like and hope the crazy open source people won't have time or money to fight it. Same thing is going on with Bamboo Labs and their use of AGPL code for their slicing software needed to use their printers. They used open source software to build their slicer, saving themselves years of work and now want to close it down to control their ecosystem. And yeah, the company response to this kind of argument that Jason's making would be like, well, no, we're not breaking the license.

41:03Except they didn't see Vizio making that. All of Vizio's arguments were like, well, they don't have standing to sue or we've released some open source code and that's all we need to release. So, yeah, it does seem like they kind of know they're supposed to do this. Yeah. I mean, if you don't like the game, don't play the game, I suppose. Yeah, exactly. If you don't like the rules, don't play the game. Yeah. Well, we'll let the judge decide if they broke the rules. And then if they did, I think everything Jason says is absolutely correct. Jason C. and Jason Howell, both of you. Oh, thank you. All the Jasons.

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