iPhones Three-Year Transformation Roadmap - DTNSB 5084

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2:11Robb Dunewood: New episodes drop every weekday wherever you get your podcasts. Tune into Morning Brew Daily wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, August 25th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, follow up on the context of those stories, and help each other understand. Today, we've got details on the iPhone's three-year roadmap towards reinvention. And oh, yay, more price increases coming soon to Spotify. That's right. I'm Jason Howell. And I'm Rob Dunwood. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. And quick apology, because right on the other side of the door there, there is some construction happening.

2:49Of course, of all days, it's today. So I'm going to pretend like it's not happening. We're going to dive right in. Apple's big hardware event expected for next month usually happens in September. We don't really have an official announcement of the date of the event that hasn't been released yet, but that never stops Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. Oh, no. He usually has the details and he's shedding light on what to expect at that event, but also over the course of the next three years. and it really sounds like very big changes are afoot for the iPhone line. So let's first talk about next month and really just calling out the notable highlight, and that's the iPhone Air making its debut at the event.

3:35This is according to German, of course. It will be thinner. It'll be a lighter model. It's intended to replace the iPhone 16 Plus. and being that it's an Air, it follows the strategy that Apple has really carried out with its MacBook Air lineup. I don't even know how long that lineup's been around, very, very long time. But what I mean here is they're compromising on certain aspects in order to get the thinner and lighter. So things like a reduced battery life, a single rear camera instead of like a whole array of cameras no physical sim port so making some trade-offs to make a smartphone thinner and lighter to finally have an iphone air um what do you think about the trade-offs for something that is thinner and lighter do you think this is you know again like this happened with samsung very recently um with their edge phone is it actually a trade-off that people want for thinner and lighter What do you think, Rob?

4:32Robb Dunewood: It doesn't feel like that was the case for Samsung, at least. I don't think that that thinner, lighter phone is doing that well. I'm a big guy. Jason, you're a big guy, too. You're tall, but I'm a tall and a big guy. And thinner phones just kind of freak me out because I feel like I would break them. So I don't necessarily want something that's going to be thinner that I think is more fragile than the pieces of glass and plastic and metal that I already carry around in my pocket. So for me personally, I don't think I'd want something that's smaller. We'll have to see, though, because I do know a lot of people are really into I want the smallest, lightest possible phone that can be made by man.

5:12Robb Dunewood: And that's one of the reasons why Samsung and now Apple are making their phones as small and as light as they can get them. So we'll see. It's so interesting how these things move in seasons, right? I mean, not that we've seen the thinner, lighter season before. This is kind of a new season, but it's kind of like when you go to the movie theater and there's a movie about an earthquake, and then there's three other movies later that year about earthquakes. It's kind of like that in smartphones. Now they're kind of glomming onto the thinner, lighter thing, which I don't think is something that shouldn't be pursued.

5:42I can say I have the Galaxy S25 Edge, which is Samsung's thinner and lighter smartphone, and it's a pretty impressive device to hold. I haven't had it fold not by design in my pocket yet, so at least there's that. When I was at Mobile World Congress earlier this year, I saw Techno Spark Slim, which was incredibly thin, but it was also made of ceramic. So I imagine a company like Apple, like Samsung as well, are going to think about the more fragile than it should be perspective. perspective and a company like Apple, like they, they want to avoid any sort of controversy, I imagine. So they're not going to release something that just folds unintentionally in your pocket without you meaning for it to, at least I hope not.

6:33Yeah.

6:33Robb Dunewood: I don't, I don't think that will be the case for Apple. They're pretty good at the hardware that they make. I wonder what the price is going to be compared to the other devices. And I would imagine like with the Samsung, it was the price of it wasn't significantly less than, than an ultra. So because of that, maybe that will determine who gets this device and who doesn't. Yeah, super curious. In 2026, Apple's long-awaited foldable is expected to drop code name V68. It is expected to resemble Samsung's book style Z fold line with a 7.8-inch inner display and a 5.5-inch outer screen, four cameras, Touch ID in place of Face ID, and Apple's in-house C2 modem chip.

7:14Robb Dunewood: Apple is also working to reduce the interior display crease with an in-cell touch technology that could eliminate it completely. So this is, I think, of the three devices that we're going to talk about, this being the middle one, obviously, this is the one that I'm most curious about. Like thinner and lighter, okay, great. You know, like that, whatever. That's a little bit more traditional. What we talk about next, that also feels a little more traditional. This one is really the, like, I'm so curious to see what a, what an Apple does to the book style foldable. Is it just another book style foldable?

7:54Because at this point in the Android world, we've seen five-ish, six-ish years of innovation and development around this. I don't know that it's necessarily moved entirely into the mainstream during that time. It's certainly become more prevalent. I've certainly met people that I didn't expect to have them. Usually the flip, not the fold though. So there's that because they're obviously a lot more expensive when you get into the book style. But Apple's the kind of company that has the kind of fan base, has the attention to quality and design and innovation. I'll go ahead and put that in air quotes because that might make some people roll their eyes.

8:30But around these things, that ends up doing something that makes people go, okay, that's the one that I finally want.

8:37Robb Dunewood: Yeah, Apple is known for doing this repeatedly. They will come out with a piece of hardware two, three, four years after someone else has come out with the same piece of hardware. And within two, three, four years, you will forget that Apple did not come out with it first because of how well they did it. So the thing that is getting me here is that it may reduce the crease completely. That's pretty impressive. I was just in a Verizon store Saturday and I had the opportunity to play around with the Z Fold 7. And when you open the thing up, the crease is there. you see it but you don't notice it after 15 seconds of looking at it it just kind of disappears and it's just part of what the phone is so i'm really interested to see can they pull off a folding phone with no crease that would be a heck of a feat yeah now i should also point out and i actually wrote an article about this for zdnet a couple of months back um when the z fold 8 had been announced that supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo had reported that Samsung's next fold will also use a different manufacturing process for the interior display.

9:44And I think it's similar to what Apple is rumored to be doing, a laser-drilled metal plate sort of thing that's meant to eliminate the crease. So that might be the next kind of whatever, major milestone for these foldables is getting to a point where that crease disappears entirely. Again, though, like I've used a lot of these foldables at this point, the crease is rarely the thing that like, I'm, I'm thinking, oh, well, this is the reason why I don't want one. You get really used to it super fast. And part of that is because the crease has been so minimized. Like when you see, when people out there who've never seen one of these foldables in person, you've only seen it online.

10:24It's very easy when you see these things online to see the crease immediately and go, oh, that's ugly that's horrible but i promise you when you get it into your hands it takes it's a very short adjustment period before you get to the point where you're like oh it's actually not a big deal i hardly even feel it when my finger goes over it i hardly even see it either because i'm used to it or because it's just hardly there and i think it's a combination of both um but i do think that getting rid of it entirely is a major step we're expecting it to happen someday. Looks like it might happen with the next iPhone.

10:58So that's exciting. And then finally, 2027. Now, 2027 happens to be Apple's 20th birthday for the iPhone. Can you believe that? That's so crazy. iPhone around for 20 years. That just makes me feel old. Anyways, that's going to be the release of the iPhone 20, which makes sense. It's expected to debut with a curved glass design. That is a major departure from the company's traditional squared off look that has been around for many years. And this is just, once again, this is one of those moments where I'm like, damn it, like anytime we get used to, oh, I hate curved glass now, I want squared off, then it it's like a tennis match it keeps going over the net both ways and each time it's billed as like a major step forward it's just so funny to me so here's the thing uh much like when the

11:53Robb Dunewood: curved screens first came out on android people loved it until they didn't and then they hated it totally and i guarantee you when it comes out on the iphone people will love it it will be a great i could turn my phone i could still kind of see stuff and i got edge panel stuff i can do it'll be awesome because iPhone has never had it so I just wonder if we'll get to in four or five years they'll be like I can't stand this curve phone let me go back to the old way no you're absolutely right I mean that that was definitely the trajectory for Android uh users and I find I totally you know I can cop to the fact that I ended up in that camp when it was first we curve first came out I was like oh my goodness this is so nice and then over time you start you know the the reality of that creeps in you get these phantom touches on the edge if you happen to have an s pen which i realize apple doesn't really have on their smartphones but if you happen to have a stylus or whatever and you go to the edges that curved glass it kind of interacts with that in a little little weird way and yeah the style just came back to flat apple's like we've been doing that for years peace out um now what i'm what this has me thinking though is when you take the first rumor the iphone air the thinner and lighter and you combine that with a curved glass design or display.

13:06I don't know if it's going to be curved on both sides. Then you get closer to actually what I mentioned earlier, what I saw at Mobile World Congress with the Techno Spark Slim, because that one was curved on all edges and was ridiculously thin and light. And that curvature actually gives you the user the impression that it's even thinner than it actually is. And I felt that in practice when I held that phone. I was like, man, this thing, it almost feels like paper. it's so thin even though you know it's nowhere near that but um i wonder if that's where apple

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17:31All right, there's more we need to know today. So much more, so let's get right to it in the briefs.

17:38Robb Dunewood: perplexity ai is launching a program to let publishers earn a share of revenue when their content is accessed through its ai assistant including its comet browser the company has set aside 42.5 million dollars for the program with publishers set to receive 80 of the revenue of a five dollar per month subscription plan called comet plus this is in response to legal action from media outlets and criticism online the ai search tools like comet are damaging publisher traffic and income yeah you know most most other ai companies perplexity really does kind of seem to do things a little different and i give i have a lot of respect for them or have you know it's not like the every decision that they make is is a solid decision they've certainly made their blunders but they tend to do things a little different uh when compared to some of the other ai companies most other ai companies out there are striking direct deals with individual sites this is a little different perplexity is looking at this and thinking like maybe we can create a standard of sorts for sharing revenue based on the content that's used in the queries that we're doing.

18:42So, I mean, it remains to be seen whether, you know, I don't know if they're necessarily saying we're standardizing this, but maybe what they mean is they're standardizing the process or the kind of the mechanism by which, you know, publishers get reimbursed or get, you know, get some sort of income based on the content that ends up in these models versus what a lot of other companies are doing, which is, you know, paying big dollars to create these publisher contracts directly on a piecemeal basis that really only benefits the big players.

19:17Robb Dunewood: Yeah, Perplexity is a big AI player, but they are not open AI big. They are definitely not Google big. So they've got potentially to play maybe a different game. So I think that this is just them this this is just them trying to figure out what can we do to get the publishers to make them happy because we know we can't just go scrape their data and not pay them in some form or fashion this is the way that they're trying to figure it out yeah and i mean they've lost the you know they lost a bid to dismiss a lawsuit from news corps dow jones and uh new york post they've also been in the spotlight um recently with you know what a lot of people called improper website crawling.

19:58They claim that their AI is only accessing these sites on users' direct requests. So it's not the same as straight up scraping. So like I said, they're not perfect. There's plenty of other aspects about their business practices that I could name that people might roll their eyes at a little bit. But I'm open to this idea about where we are right now when it comes to using content in these AI services. Like you get, we, whether you, no matter how you feel about it, we got to figure something out because there is a lot of butt hurt companies out there that want to be, you know, compensated for their effort and for their work.

20:38And I think that makes sense to me.

20:41Robb Dunewood: It definitely makes sense. They should be compensated. You know, you are getting the content from a place and then charging people to access it through your AI system. You should be paying the folks that you're getting the content from yeah we'll see how it all pans out the u.s government is taking a nearly 10 stake in intel in exchange for 8.87 billion dollars using funding from the chips and science act the government gains 433 million non-voting intel shares as a result of this deal does not get a seat on the board by the way the deal uses that grant money as payment for the stake. Many see that as a major departure of policies of the past.

21:24Critics are arguing that this could bring with it broad regulatory issues, a distortion of the dynamics happening inside of the market, because the U.S. is directly getting involved in how that market works in this regard. The U.S. administration has signaled its desire to strike similar deals with other companies in the future. It's working to, of course, boost semiconductor manufacturing in the country, among other things. So 10%, almost 10 % stake in Intel. That was really big news at the end of last week anyways.

21:55Robb Dunewood: Yeah, this makes the US government now the biggest investor in Intel. SoftBank just, I believe, was$2 billion investment, but that tells a comparison to what they're doing here at 8.87%. It is non-voting share, so that's a thing. And I would say that This is not unprecedented. The federal government has invested in companies before. This one just feels a little different because before it was like, OK, the industry may go under if we don't do this. Right. Let's get you straight. And then you get us our money back as quickly as possible and go be owned by somebody else or or get back on track or whatever the case is.

22:32Robb Dunewood: This doesn't feel, at least initially, just doesn't feel that way. So I honestly don't know what to make of this because on one hand, it's like, okay, if you're getting$9 billion from the government, the people should have something to say about that. But it's just, it's very different because it's like, this is, even though it is non-voting shares and they don't get a board seat, they are the biggest investor in Intel. And that just, as I said, it just feels a little different. Well, and then we've got the TikTok deal that continues to be pushed off. I think I just saw that the U.S. president has signaled once again that the delay could be pushed back even further because they think they have a buyer or whatever.

23:17There's a lot of, I don't know what the right word is. There's a lot of mechanics happening right now directed specifically from the U.S. administration on these companies. It's just a really interesting time for tech and beyond. There's so much change happening in all directions, and tech is by no means escaping any of that chaos.

23:42Robb Dunewood: Netflix will open a Netflix house in Philadelphia on November 12th and in Dallas on December 11th this year each 100 ,000 square foot location will feature immersive experiences games food merchandise and attractions themed to or themed after some of the company's most notable franchises such as Stranger Things Squid Games Wednesday there are a few that have been named Netflix plans to refresh the experiences frequently to keep visitors coming back for virtual reality, mini golf, dining, and shopping. A third location in Las Vegas is expected to open in 2027. Why are you opening a place in Las Vegas?

24:19Isn't Las Vegas dead? That's what I heard. K-pop Demon Hunters will also be represented, which should make my daughter very happy. She went and saw that in theaters, the sing-along version this weekend. Apparently that was a big deal. And this will be free to enter, so you don't have to pay to get in. It's not like Disney World where you pay to get through the gates my understanding is it's free to enter but then once you're there you're going to want to pay for all those sweet vr experiences i don't know i'm curious i'm curious slightly dubious but curious nvidia's jetson agx thor is a new robotics robot brain chip module that sounds tough it's now on sale as a developer kit for three thousand four $499 is shipping next month.

25:05This chip is powered by NVIDIA's Blackwell GPU, of course, has 128 gigs of memory. It's making it 7.5 times faster than the one that came before it. Developers can use the kit to prototype robots. Probot type? No, okay, that doesn't work. Never mind. Moving on. A major growth area for the company outside of AI, the Jetson AGX Thor lets robots run advanced generative AI models. understand and interpret the world and perform complex tasks from all of that input and they've got some you know already some some big name uh you know companies on board amazon meta boston dynamics just to name a few they're all using the jetson technology so robot brain if

25:50Robb Dunewood: you've got the money for it so we told you at the top of the show that spotify plans to raise subscription prices regularly as it adds new features on its way to 1 billion users. CEO Alex Nordstrom calls the price hikes, quote, part of our toolbox, end quote. After keeping prices relatively stable for a number of years, premium fees are set to increase starting next month across several international markets. With individual plans jumping from$13 to$14 per month in some regions, Spotify is also rolling out new features to help with the increase, including more playlist tools, improved transitions between songs and expanded podcast and audio book features i mean all these subscription services are increasing their rates right um so i guess more features more money makes it a little better than just here's another straight up price hike but um yeah and i also hadn't noticed like are you spotify user have you noticed any price increases in the last few years i honestly haven't noticed i can't say that i've noticed but i'm but i don't know because i have so many others netflix disney totally everything else that i'm using i i start to get them confused and i'm going to be honest with you i've got the family plan so it's like man it's already spotify is already one of my more expensive subscriptions that i have yeah so i don't know maybe i got to go back to eight track tape or cassettes or something yeah right like what's the alternative what are we going to do you know it's getting pretty expensive i still i still got a walkman around here somewhere i can go grab some cassettes and maybe listen that way well look physical media has definitely it's encountered a comeback there are people now firing up laser discs and vhs like it's it's it's interesting how how it's coming back around once again vinyl obviously is the is the example that everybody often uh points to but um even cassette tapes you know because they all have their own sonic uh fingerprint and everything and i think people just enjoy owning And you don't end up in shenanigans like, oh, we're raising$2 this month,$3 next month, whatever, that we've just kind of gotten used to.

27:51So you might be on to something.

27:53Robb Dunewood: Yeah. I don't even know if they still work, but I have probably 500 CDs. Oh, I'm sure they still work. And I still have a CD player. So if they still work, it's like, here's the thing. The music that I liked from the 90s is the music that I like today. So I have to go back to many of those CDs. Interesting. Tell me how that goes. Elon Musk's XAI startup has sued Apple and OpenAI in Texas federal court on accusations that they illegally colluded to suppress competition in AI. Now, the lawsuit claims Apple's exclusivity deal to integrate OpenAI's ChatGPT into iPhones unfairly favors OpenAI and blocks rivals like Musk's or XAI's Grok chatbot for broadened visibility and high rankings in the App Store.

28:43Now, Elon Musk has spoken out about this in the past. We've talked about it on the show before about his belief that Apple unfairly pushes OpenAI to the top of App Store rankings. He thinks this is a move that creates an illegal monopoly that harms consumers by limiting their awareness and access to alternative options in AI. Now, OpenAI has responded. They're calling the lawsuit a continuation of Musk's, quote, pattern of harassment. Apple also has defended its app store as fair and unbiased.

29:15Robb Dunewood: So this will be an interesting court case, and I'm looking to ultimately see what happens because somebody is going to be right and someone's going to be wrong. You might have Elon Musk be told that, hey, you're just complaining because you're not number one in the App Store. You might have Apple say, it looks like you're suppressing stuff in the App Store from being number one. I don't put either one of those things past either one of those people or companies beyond their capabilities. So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Blue Sky has blocked access to its platform from users in Mississippi in response to the state's new law requiring all social media users to verify their age as well as obtain parental consent from minors.

29:53Robb Dunewood: The law took effect after the Supreme Court declined to block it despite ongoing legal challenges. Blue Sky worries that the law harms smaller platforms while favoring larger tech companies with deep pockets and stifles innovation throughout the industry. Blue Sky plans to block access in the state until courts resolve the issues. it's like a it's like swiss cheese out there right now for it's it's only gonna get holier and here's the thing the supreme court said we don't think that this is going to stand up in court but we're going to stand up until you get through court so yeah that's interesting isn't it so from from blue sky standpoint i kind of understand because they don't have the pockets that that you know that meta has they don't have the pockets that that you know that the x has uh Or TikTok ads.

30:37Robb Dunewood: They just don't have that kind of money. So they've got to be careful with this. Although I do think that you've got to get this stuff figured out because we don't want miners getting access to stuff that miners shouldn't get access to. But I don't know that this is the way to go about it. For sure. 100%. So what do you want to hear us talk about on the show? One way to let us know is in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them over at www.reddit.com slash r slash daily tech news show.

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32:20And we end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom and my cracking voice. Today, Andrew has a question following up on the special episode that y 'all did about Rob's second brain.

32:33Robb Dunewood: So yeah, Andrew's writing an email, I guess to me, because Tom and I on DTNF Weekend, we've done a couple of episodes where we talked about my productivity and digital note-taking strategy. It's called A Second Brain by Tiago Forte. And Andrew writes, I heard you talk about the second brain book on SMR previously. SMR is one of my other shows, Simple Mobile Review from way back in the day. And I've really appreciated the in-depth look Look at how you work on the two interviews with Tom. Did you ever work out a good system for doing second brain things while you were still in corporate? Managing multiple calendars, emails, knowledge, repositories has always been a bear.

33:09Robb Dunewood: I know you said you mostly got into this around the time you left corporate world, but I'm curious if there is any overlap that gave you insight. So I have been building digital notebooks for over 20 years now. We go all the way back. I think I first got into doing this all the way back with OneNote, like in 2002 or 2003. So it's been a minute. And one of the things that I found is that it was always easier to just keep work separate from personal. Now, what I would do is I would use a, you know, some type of calendar sync so I could have a single calendar that I could look at on a device, you know, whether it be, you know, look at in my, you know, on a Web page or look at it on my phone once we finally got to where we were using phones to keep calendars.

33:49Robb Dunewood: but I always kept them separate. Another reason was because for the kind of work, I had these really nice CRM systems where I put an enormous amount of notes there. So it wasn't a second brain, you know, that didn't exist yet, but I did tend to keep things separate. And it wasn't until 2019 when I left the corporate world that I really fell into second brain. So if I were to answer the question today, I probably would still keep a second brain for work and one for personal with interconnects where data could flow relatively easily between the two, because I am just one person. I just have one brain and I can think about different things, but I do like that segmentation where I've got work as work, play as play, or personal as personal.

34:33Interesting. Oh man, my, my, uh, digital brain contents are scattered among so many different places.

34:41Robb Dunewood: You got to go listen to this episode, man. That's a, that, that is one of the tenants of the second brain is put everything in the same place. It makes it a heck of a lot easier to find it when you're looking for it. Yeah, 100%. I know it's a me problem and not a tech problem. What are you thinking about? If you have insight into a story, share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Big thanks to Andrew for contributing to today's show. Great to do the show with you, Rob. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron. All you got to do is go to patreon.com slash DTNS.

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