Is It Legal for the US to Require 15% of Nvidia’s China Sales? - DTNSB 5079

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2:53The Financial Times was the first to break this, although the Wall Street Journal now has it too. Sources telling both of them that NVIDIA and AMD have agreed to pay the United States government 15 % of the revenue that they make from selling chips to companies in China. That has caused some people to lose their minds as sort of an unprecedented export control. I'll get to that in a minute. But you may wonder, what are these chips? If you haven't been following this story, the US restricts what kinds of chips both US companies or companies using US intellectual property can sell to companies based in China.

3:30And to comply with those rules, NVIDIA developed a special chip called the H20. AMD developed a special chip called the MI308 specifically so they could sell to China without violating those restrictions. And then in April, the government said, you can't sell those either. However, those restrictions were paused in mid-summer, and NVIDIA said in mid-July it would soon resume sales. And in fact, the U.S. Department of Commerce started issuing official licenses for the sale of those two chips from NVIDIA and AMD on Friday. Now, we'll get a lot more coverage about the H20, but most of what applies to the H20 applies to the MI308.

4:14The H20 uses NVIDIA's previous hopper architecture, but that's not the issue. The current architecture is Blackwell, and NVIDIA says it's designing a chip for China based on the Blackwell architecture as well. The restrictions mean that NVIDIA and AMD need to design the chips to be good at inference, but not training. Inference is the execution. Like when you ask ChatGPT something, it's doing inference to answer your question. And of course, training is when you make the model so that it can answer the questions with inference later. China makes its own chips as well, of course. They don't have to use the H20 or the MI308, but right now they can't make enough to meet demand.

4:55ByteDance, Tencent, DeepSeek, all bought large numbers of H20s before the U.S. cutoff access in April. Now, let's get to that revenue share part, because that's the news here. The revenue share with the U.S. government is not entirely unprecedented, at least in this administration. The U.S. reached a deal for a quote-unquote golden share of revenue from U.S. Steel when it approved its takeover by Nippon Steel in June. Though, that involved a stake in the company. The revenue share with NVIDIA and AMD does not appear to involve shares. Several analysts have said this deal could violate Article 1, Section 9, Clause 5 of the U.S.

5:34Constitution. That section says no tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state. And before you get too hung up on the word state, the U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted this over the years to mean any export to foreign territories. However, the administration may make the argument that this is a tax on a particular good, the H20 and the MI308, not a tax on the export. It just happens that nobody domestically is in the market for an H20 or an MI308 because they can buy better chips from NVIDIA and AMD because they're not restricted. The official annotated constitution that is on the U.S.

6:12Congress's website, congress.gov, says the Supreme Court has ruled that the export clause's restriction on Congress's taxing power does not extend to several taxes, such as a tax on all property alike, including property intended for export, but not in the course of exportation. So if I can turn that into regular speak, they're saying, look, if you're putting a tax on a certain kind of property and you're not taxing the act of exporting it, you're just taxing that property, even though that property gets exported, that's allowed. That might be what the administration is up to here. They're not calling it a tax in any of these articles.

6:51They're calling it a revenue share, but that would be a whole weird new kind of thing here. We don't know the details other than the reporting by the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal. Rob, what do you call this? Well, Tom, I'm not an expert in the Constitution or import and export rules and all that kind of stuff. All I can say is that when you break this down, it sounds like a vig to me. I mean, it just it sounds like if you got a little bit of action, that's kind of what's happening here. Now, it may all be legal. Our legal system is weird on on rules of what the federal government can and cannot do.

7:25But it sounds like a vig to me. Yeah. I mean, I looked at this and I'm like, so it's a tax specifically on these two products, which is a very narrow tax. But that's what it is because they're not getting a revenue share in the company. They're not getting revenue, at least from this reporting so far, they're not getting revenue from anything else NVIDIA and AMD sells. and granted this will reduce nvidia and amd's revenue to china by 15 but if they don't get this they don't get anything and that starts to sound a little like a thing to me too now that i'm saying it that way rob i guess i i don't want to say it but i'm i'm going to say it it sounds like if well let's just say that nvidia and amd were bakeries well we're taxing your beignets mm-hmm yeah tax anything else actually not even beignets you have to make sugar-free beignets if you want to sell them to ohio you're in illinois and you can only sell them to ohio if they're sugar-free no one wants the sugar-free beignets but we'll we'll take 15 of the cut of that it's yeah i know i'm breaking the metaphor when i do that but uh this is interesting and i I am curious to see if we get more details on what the actual situation is here, because that will clear up a lot of the rest of the questions about how this is supposed to work and whether it is, in fact, a violation of the Constitution.

8:49I guarantee somebody's going to sue over it. It won't be NVIDIA or AMD, but somebody will. I was just going to say that there is no question in my mind that there will be a court case or two on trying to figure out whether this is indeed legal or not. Yeah. And like I said, it's unclear if it will be or if it won't be, but there will be a court case to help determine one of those things. Yeah. Until we get the details, we can't say for sure. I can see a way in which it would be entirely legal. And that's what I laid out earlier is if they say we are taxing this class of chips and the class of chips is the same definition as the class of chips that they allow a license to be exported to China.

9:28those two chips are the only ones that fall into class, but it's, but if you sold them to me here in the United States, they'd have to pay 15 % of that revenue too. Then it seems like it doesn't violate that, that action. But somebody is going to argue like, well, if this class of chips is only consumed, so it's essentially an export. And so it's essentially an export tax. And then it'll be up to a judge to decide if they buy that argument or not. DTNES is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to Erwin Stirr, Ken Hayes, Phillip Shane, and our new patrons, Ahmad, HDR, Sarah, Sean Key, and Jill Eula.

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13:05There's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. last week when open ai launched gpt5 it took away the option for people to use older models the idea is that chat gpt can pick the best model to use based on your query but after a lot of people complained open ai restored the ability to use one of the older models gpt4.0 and if you pay for the plus version there's now an option in the settings to show legacy models yeah the only legacy model that'll show is GPT-4O, which implies to me that OpenAI said, ChatGPT-5 is good at picking the models. And I have found it to be pretty good at picking some stuff in the few days that I've played with it.

13:44But they must agree that 4.0 sometimes is still the better model than 5 and it doesn't get picked. And so that's why they picked that one to give back to people. At least that's my take. Even if 4.0 isn't, people like choice. I know that I want to use this model. I don't want you to pick the model you think I should use. This is the one that I want to use. So I think that this is a choice thing for a lot of people regardless of whether OpenAI actually gets right or not. Matter is the standard for smart home interoperability and it just released new spec. I kind of didn't know this was coming. The 1.4.2 spec allows manufacturers to qualify as Matter compliant even if they don't support Bluetooth.

14:27Before you had to support both at least for setup. Now you can support only Wi-Fi for setup, which means that matter compliant devices can be cheaper because they don't have to support a Bluetooth radio just for setup. The standard also now supports time-based behavior, like changing color as the day progresses rather than requiring constant commands to be sent throughout the day. You can just send the one. Number of times devices report status has been reduced in the spec. That'll save you a little battery life. And the standards for robot vacuum cleaners have been streamlined so that they don't vary as much between brands.

15:02That's going to make them easier to set up and make them a little more reliable under the Matter Standard. This update to the spec is going to trickle out in devices. It's not something you download today. Devices are going to have to implement it and they push their firmware out. New products will have to be made with the radio compliance and all of that, but you'll start to see it over the coming months. I like these spec changes, particularly the one that you don't have to have Bluetooth, because that makes devices that are already in some cases very inexpensive, just more expensive than they need to be.

15:30Because if you never use Bluetooth, why does it have to be there? Yeah, that was the argument from some manufacturers like our users don't use Bluetooth to set it up. And then we have to spend a lot of time putting the radio in and making a setup protocol for that, that the users aren't going to use because they're just using it for Wi Fi. So it solves that problem. That takes away one objection, which means wider adoption, right? Yeah, and they've got to support it too. It's not like you just put stuff in there and, well, just don't use this and you don't support it. It's got to be supported as well.

15:57It takes a handful of users using it for you to have to support it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We have a few notable product releases to tell you about. Debian Linux released its first stable release in more than two years. Version 13, codenamed Trixie, will have five years of support and adds 64-bit RISC-V support. The one getting the most attention is Cosmos Reason, which, as the name implies, is reasoning model for computer vision. And Fairphone is offering USB cables and chargers in the UK and EU made with recycled materials. Last week, the president of the United States called for Intel CEO Lip Bhutan to resign.

16:32And this week, the two are meeting at the White House. Among other things, the Malaysian-born U.S. citizen Tan will presumably explain why he is not implicated by the recent admission of a violation of export controls to China by Cadence Designs. Those took place while he was CEO, but Cadence says they didn't know anything about it. And the U.S. Department of Justice says they didn't know anything about it. It was rogue employees. I am sure that is among the many things that will come up in their conversation. And probably another thing that might come up, Rob, is like, so you need to make those Ohio factories happen faster because I'm sure that's part of this.

17:09It is an interesting way to negotiate conversations that you want to have. I will say that is an interesting way, but we'll see what comes out of this.

17:26You may be surprised to learn that Yahoo's AOL's dial-up internet service still exists. And you're probably not surprised to hear that. The reason I bring it up is that it won't exist for much longer. AOL said it will discontinue dial-up service on September 30th. AOL says the number of remaining subscribers is in the low thousands. Ah, goodbye, AOL dial-up sound. I wonder how long before we have the story of the last dial-up service in the world going out of business. I would imagine it'll still be a fair amount of time for that. Yeah, me too. I can't remember the last time I had a computer with a modem in it.

18:03It's probably got to be probably before 2004. But I was big on AOL way back in the day. I think it came out when in 91, it was a pretty, pretty, you know, just a way to get onto the internet. Well, for those few thousand that are still subscribing, you've got mail, you should probably check that. And now a couple of sources say stories about upcoming products. First, the venerable Mark Gurman says that his sources say Apple is testing an agentic version of Siri that can take actions across multiple apps based on your voice commands. It's something called the App Intents system. Gurman used the example of, say, asking Siri to search for a photo, edit it in this app, and then send it to someone using this app.

18:47Supposedly, Apple is testing it with Uber, AllTrails, Threads, Timu, Amazon, YouTube, Facebook, and WhatsApp, as well as with a few games. And as a non-Apple chaser, for those of you who don't like Apple rumors, Android Authority notes that Digital Chat Station said on Weibo that Honor is testing a smartphone with a 10 ,000 mAh battery that isn't a big chonky one. Like, there's ones with big batteries like that, but they're huge. This would be a normal-sized smartphone with a 10 ,000 mAh battery, which would be good for about three days without having to charge? I don't know why, Tom. 10 ,000 milliamps in my pocket just does not sound.

19:29It feels dangerous. That sounds like something I would want to do. But that is a big battery. So I would imagine if you are out in the field or something like that, this would be a great device for folks like that. Yeah. And there are field rugged smartphones that do this, but they're big, right uh so the idea of not having to to add weight with it is intriguing uh there are some rules in the eu and us about transport of large batteries that keep battery size milliamp hour battery capacity from from going up in those markets so it'd be interesting to see if this just was outside of the us and eu or if they figure out a way uh to affordably transport it and market it there i don't know it's a it's tempting though to have three days on a charge I'll tell you that.

20:15I will also say this. Mark Garman is pretty on point on his rumors. I did notice, however, there was no date associated with any of this stuff. So when will it come out, I think is the question that Apple users are asking. If they're testing it with partners, that implies it's not just in the maybe stage, but certainly not something we're going to see in iOS 26. Amazon's Kuiper satellites are a competitor for space-based internet like OneWeb and Starlink. Amazon launched 24 Kuiper satellites on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket on Monday, bringing its total to 102. The US FCC requires Amazon to have 1 ,600 satellites in orbit by the end of July next year, and all 3 ,236 for full operating up by July 2029.

21:01A couple of court cases of note, plus one to come. The UK High Court has dismissed Wikimedia's challenge to the UK Online Safety Act, though it said the organization could have grounds for legal action in the future. It just doesn't right now. Wikimedia brought the case because it's worried it will be categorized as a social network, which would force it to verify the identity of users, which goes against the entire ethos of how Wikipedia works. The court said to come back once it has been categorized, because if it isn't categorized as that, why have the trial? And then the other trial of note, Lawrence Klein has filed a lawsuit in California against Microsoft, seeking an injunction to force the company to continue to offer free security support for Windows 10 beyond the planned end date of October 14th.

21:47You can pay for Windows 10 support past that date, cost you$30 to$60, or you can cash in Bing points for it, get it for free. But not all PCs can upgrade to Windows 11 under Microsoft's own rules. So Klein is saying you're leaving too many Windows 10 machines unsupported, and he wants Windows 10 to be supported until Still, less than 10 % of the Windows user base is using Windows 11. Finally, a court case that might come soon. This one isn't a court case yet, but Hyundai is charging 49 pounds for an optional security upgrade for Ionic 5 EVs that were sold in the UK before February 2024. If they were sold after that, they are not vulnerable to this.

22:31But the upgrade that you have to pay for will prevent thieves from being able to use a Game Boy-sized device to unlock and start cars without needing a key. These are cars that have a five-year warranty, though. So I feel like maybe people are going to argue that that warranty should cover this and they shouldn't have to pay for it. It should absolutely. It should absolutely cover this. Yeah. But yeah, there's a lot here. There's a lot here. My question is on, you know, you have a device that's that small. It just seems to me like they would cover it. I don't even know why they're making news by not saying that that would be covered.

23:10And they fixed it for cars sold after February 2024. So it just feels cheap. I kept looking for a mitigation. I was like, oh, maybe it's a thing where like, well, you don't have to use keyless entry. So you could just turn it off. But if you want to continue to use keyless entry pay, I'm like, okay, I don't like that. but that could be defensible, but it doesn't seem like that's the case. It seems like your car is just possibly going to get stolen unless you pay these 49 pounds. Now, what about the Lawrence Klein lawsuit? Do you think that that has any legs? Could they force Microsoft to offer free support on Windows 10?

23:44Because it will be years before Windows 10 machines are down to 10%. It'll be years before that happens. Yeah. I think the argument Microsoft's going to make is you can buy a new computer or you can upgrade to Windows 11. And the argument that clients and lawyers are going to have to make is not everybody can afford a new computer. And there's a bunch of them that Microsoft won't let them upgrade. What would be amazing is if the court just ordered Microsoft to let everybody upgrade to Windows 11 instead of blocking the upgrade. I'd be into that. But yeah, I can't tell yet how much of a chance.

24:19Court's not going to want to force a company into longer support, but that's a big user base and they might find a compelling public interest. We'll see. ESPN's online streaming service launches in the U.S. on August 21st, the same day as Fox One launches. ESPN gives you all of its broadcast and cable TV sports content in the streaming service for$29.99. Fox One gives you all of its broadcast and cable content for$19.99 a month. The two services will be available as a bundle starting October 2nd for$39.99. That will give you almost all of the sports that was expected in the sports bundle called Venue, which would have also included sports from Warner Brothers Discovery.

24:59Venue was sued by Fubo and was canceled. Fubo now operates a joint venture with ESPN's parent company, Disney. Yeah, these names, man, I tell you what. But you're going to get two thirds of the now departed Venue for, and Venue was going to cost like 50 bucks, everybody was saying. They never announced it for real, but the rumor was that. So for$40,$10 less, you're getting most of the sports. I say two-thirds of the sports, but honestly, Warner lost the NBA. So you're probably getting more than two-thirds of the sports with this bundle. Here's the other thing, too. This is not an inexpensive bundle.

25:35So I wonder if people are going to say, should I just keep cable or should I go back to cable? But I don't think you get everything if you just have a cable subscription. There's additional features that are in these plans as well, if I understand it correctly. Well, most people's cable bill is more than this too, right? So when you're looking at cable, if you're like, well, I could pay more and get everything, but I don't have any choice, or I could pay$40 and get Fox and ESPN, and that just about covers me, you know, maybe it's worth it. So we'll see. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper.

26:09The US federal EV tax credit is going away from many vehicles on September 30 of 2025. So if you're looking to take advantage of the$7 ,500 federal tax credit, you better hurry. Tom caught up with Bodie Grimm to find out what EVs you might want to buy if you're ever ready to pull the trigger. Bodie, thanks again for sitting down and chatting with us and hopefully saving some people some money this time. Hopefully, Tom. I'm looking forward to our chat today. All right. So let's get to it. What are some of the top picks in EVs that are available before the tax credit expires on September 30th? Yeah.

26:44And it's worth mentioning that everything that we talk about today with maybe one exception can also be applied. If you buy it used, there's a$4 ,000 federal tax credit. So if you don't want to buy one of these vehicles new, you can save a little money by buying used and still get$4 ,000 off as well. Okay, great. That's good to know. I didn't realize that you still got, it's a reduced rate, but you still get a tax credit. That's awesome. Yeah. Reduced sales price, reduced tax credit, but you still save money overall. So Inside EVs came up with all of these categories and I'm going to give all the glory to them.

27:18I'm just regurgitating. Sure. Borrow from the best. Yeah. No, stealing. Full stealing. But the best overall EV is the Model Y. It's got a base price of$46 ,000. You throw in the tax credit, we're right around$39 ,000. The vehicle is a range between 327 and 357 miles. And it comes in a rear wheel drive or all wheel drive, uh, variance. Okay. So a classic, I know lots of people that have them, uh, Tesla model wise all over the place here in Los Angeles. Uh, but some people may balk, uh, for all kinds of reasons about buying a Tesla. What if they don't want to go that direction? Yes. So they get, they have another category called the best overall EV if you don't want to buy a Tesla.

28:07And the winner on that is the IONIQ 5. And we'll throw the EV6 in as well since they're both Hyundai group. One's Hyundai and the other is Kia, right? Correct. Very important distinction. The base price on the IONIQ 5 is$44 ,000. It gets you right around$36 ,500 with a federal tax credit. The range on this is a little bit lower than you would find at a model y we're looking at 245 miles to 318 miles and then it also comes in a rear-wheel drive and all-wheel drive variants the ev6 is very close you know forty four thousand dollars base 36.5 with the federal tax credit range 237 to 319. so basically the ev6 and the ionic 5 are almost equivalent uh in in those respects uh and compared to the Model Y, you're losing 50 to 100 in range if that's important to you.

29:06And people always overestimate how much range they need. But that certainly is something to keep in mind. Yeah, absolutely. And we should also acknowledge that the range game is fraught with problems. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Okay. What if I am sitting here saying$30 ,000, I can't spend that much. Anything below that? What's the best budget option? So the best budget option, and I agree with all the things that Inside EVs came up with here, but my favorite EV right now is the Equinox EV, which is made by Chevy. It's a base price of$35 ,000, but you throw the federal tax credit in, it's$27 ,500.

29:47It's got a range of 285 miles to 319 miles and it's a front or all wheel drive version. Interesting enough, if you get the base model, you're getting the 319 miles because that's the front wheel drive version. And if you go, uh, you know, a little bit more performance, you're going to get less of 285 miles. I guess that kind of makes sense because you're doing more things. Yeah. And the all wheel drive takes a little more energy. All right. Uh, what about the folks with the big families with the pets and the dogs and the needing the the bigger car yeah again we're pairing the hyundai and uh kias together on this we have the ev9 uh which is the kia ev9 and the hyundai ioniq nine okay so so say similar pairing to before but nines instead of fives yeah this is going to be three rows you're looking at six to seven seats these two evs have not been out as long so the ionic 9 just came out so it might be harder to find a used version of this.

30:46The Kia EV9 has been out for a little bit. But if you're looking at a base price, the EV9 is$56 ,000. So you're looking at$48 ,500 with a federal tax credit. Range, $230 ,000 to$30 ,000. It is a big vehicle, but it also comes in rear and all-wheel drive. And then the Ioniq 9, a little bit higher base price,$60 ,000,$53 ,000 with the federal tax credit range is better 311 to 335 and rear wheel drive and all-wheel drive so again you're sacrificing a little bit of range for a better price and availability uh in this particular case otherwise they're pretty equivalent they're pretty equivalent and i will say like if if you're looking at a rivian r1s or the new uh lucid gravity and you're like man i just don't want to start off at $70 ,000, these are two really good options for you.

31:43There's obviously things that the Gravity can do and the R1S can do that the Kias and Hyundais aren't going to be able to. But if you're just going to drive around town, you can save yourself like$25 ,000 in some cases. All right. Let's get to the opposite of the skin flints we talked about earlier with the budget. What about the folks who want all the nice touches? They want the comfortable seats. They want all the frills and all the bells and whistles. What's the best luxury, Evie? so we are going to start with the cadillac optic um it's got a base price of 54 000 47 000 with the tax credit 302 miles of range only comes in all-wheel drive it is a very um this is a weird thing to say but this is how i describe like really sleek and fancy car it's lickable like it looks lickable i totally know what you mean yeah yeah it's it's a gross concept but yeah yeah I saw one of these outside of a Safeway and I just sat there and stared at it.

32:42I think I sent a picture of it to Lamar Wilson, but it's, it's, it's just such a nice car. The same thing with the Cadillac Lyric, also a really nice car. Starts at$60 ,000 with the federal tax credit that brings it down to 52, five range of 319 to 326 miles. Yeah. Yeah. Real rear wheel drive and all wheel drive. and GM's been doing, like GM's killing it in the U.S. when it comes to electric vehicles, and they've been doing it enough that you can feel confident in buying one of their vehicles and you're going to get a solid car. Is it going to be perfect? No, but it's going to be a solid EV no matter which way you go.

33:18Yeah. Taking back the luxury title with the caddy. Love that. Love to see that. Now, if we're going to go pickup, we're going to leave GM land, aren't we? We are. We're going to move over to the Ford F-150 Lightning. The F-150 is the most popular pickup truck in the in the us uh probably in all of the americas it's got a base price of 66 000 for the lightning that brings it down to 58 000 with the federal tax credit range of 240 to 320 so the the range is a little less on this one but then that usually is the the 240 is usually reserved for like the work truck which is you know the base model bare bones but still not too shabby yeah And then finish up with a good old fashioned sedan.

34:02Speaks to my heart as a person who has a Civic and an Audi A4. What's your best sedan? Best sedan is the Model 3 from Tesla. Base price of$42 ,000. You're looking at$35 ,000 with the federal tax credit. The range on this starts at$298 ,000 but goes all the way up to$363 ,000. Rear wheel drive and all wheel drive. And overall, the Model 3 is proven to be a pretty solid car. Excellent. Bodhi, thank you so much. Hopefully this helps a few people who are thinking like, you know what, I'd like to get an EV and I want to get it before the tax credit expires. You got some good options here. If folks want to follow up and hear more of your takes on electric vehicles and more, where should they go?

34:45You should go to 918digital.com. That's where all of my podcasts are. Recently, I'm not sure when this is going to go out, but I interviewed in my car because Grok, ex-AI's assistant came to my Tesla. So I did a little interview. I put Tesla in the hot seat. I talk about the Grok controversies. And I think the AI assistant did a really good job of defending itself. Fantastic. I love that. Go check that out, folks. What's the URL again? 918digital.com. 918digital.com. See you there, folks. Thanks so much. Now, Rob, I know you get tempted by a new car every once in a while. Did this spark your interest?

35:27I was hoping Bodie was going to say something about the Cadillac, you know, Cadillac Escalade IQ and that they had a$75 ,000 discount on that to actually bring it down into the price of possibility, you know, that'll put it in the range of where the Escalade that I drive right now was when I bought it a few years back. But here's the thing that I noticed about this. These car prices have really come down. There There still is a bit of a tax, but the rebates cover it. So my question is, what happens when they go away? Will we see people stop being interested in them, particularly on the lower end?

36:06Because$2,$3,$4,$5,$6,$7,$500 makes a difference when you're purchasing a car that only costs$30 ,000. Yeah, my prediction is you're going to see a bunch of carmakers advertising lower prices that get you the same price as if you add the EV tax credit. it. It's not too late. Come on down. We'll make you a great deal, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That's my guess. Well, next week is our annual experiment week on DTNS. Instead of our regular episodes, we'll have people trying out new ideas. That's where the tech, John, came from, right, Rob? It was an experiment week launch. Absolutely. Four years ago, experiment week, and we're still running that show strong.

36:47One of the experiments this time will be live reactions to the Google Pixel release, so you won't lose news on that. And don't worry, we'll be back with regular episodes the week after.

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38:36We end every episode of DTNets with some shared wisdom. Today, Anand Jr. follows up on his experiments with ChatGPT. Yeah, he posted this on Patreon. John, on the listener feedback episode back in December, he says, I mentioned I was going to use ChatGPT as a low rent research assistant. I've been using Jeeps more and I have had to be rather mindful. In one more recent example, I was looking for an answer to a D &D rules question. Part of the answer contradicted some rules I knew. So I queried more, got answers citing books and page numbers. That had nothing to do with the issue in question. I was told you brazenly uncovered a discrepancy between the player's handbook and later sources and fed another reference to a book and page number that didn't have anything to do with the issues at hand.

39:20After pointing that out and asking for clarification, I finally got something that adhered to the printed rules and sounded more right with the parts I was trying to research. That happens, but not as often as I feared. It's been a good way to collate information from a variety of sources. Just check them like you would a research assistant you got on Fiverr. That is a very, very good point. You got to check the work. You got to check the work. We would do it if it was a person. We need to do it since it's a robot. Yeah, the robot intern is still an intern. Well, folks, we want to know what you're thinking about.

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