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2:43I'm Jason Howell. I'm Quintu Adao. Let's start with what you need to know with the big story. All right. So it is IFA, a pretty major conference happening in Berlin right now. I kind of wish I was there, to be honest. It'd be fun to see all these products firsthand and be there with the energy and all that. Well, Lenovo is there and they're taunting me with all of this hardware that I don't get to see. So I figured, why don't we talk a little bit about Lenovo and what they announced? Because they didn't just bring a couple of things. It's like they released the Kraken at EPUB. So let's talk about the Kraken.

3:20And I think, you know, probably the majority of what they were announcing has something to do with laptops, obviously computing. We'll talk about gaming in a moment, but let's start with the laptops. Lenovo launched several new ThinkPad laptops targeting power users and professionals mostly. There's the ThinkPad P16 Gen 3. That has Intel's latest core Ultra 200X processor, up to 24 cores on that one, up to 192 gigs of RAM. That just sounds like a lot to me. You know, every time that happens, I'm like, I can't believe we're there now. The laptop that they showed off is the most expensive of all the laptops that they brought to the show.

4:05So that starts at$3 ,339. So you've got to be a real power user, I think, for that one. The ThinkPad P1 Gen 8 ramps things down just a tad, a little lighter, a little thinner. It still includes Intel's Core Ultra 200H series processors. That starts at$2819,$2819. Still a hefty price tag on that. And then we've got kind of some gaming PCs. The Legion Pro 7, of course, meant for gamers, has a 240 hertz OLED display. So you're going to get that fast, nice, crisp refresh up to an AMD Ryzen 9955 9955. Maybe that's the way insiders talk about it. HX3D, also an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080. They weigh six pounds.

4:58So that's a heavy darn laptop. But, you know, it's a gaming laptop. I think you're probably used to that if you're a gamer. $23.99 is the cost for that,$2 ,399. And then Lenovo had a few other gaming machines, which I'm not going to get too deeply into because, you know, it's a lot of PC talk. But they range anywhere from$699.99 to$1099.99. So bringing it with the official releases of the laptops, we're going to talk about kind of some of the concept-y stuff, which is maybe a little bit more enjoyable for me anyways. But I'm not, you know, like I have a ThinkPad buried away somewhere. I'm predominantly a Mac guy.

5:40So, you know, some of this stuff is clearly not meant for me. I don't know. What do you think? I'm actually really compelled. Not that I would, I unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view, am primarily also a Mac user, but that's kind of ironically the standard for Android devs like myself. but man, ThinkPads are still really good looking. Like I think if I recommend any PC or rather laptop to someone who doesn't want to use Mac, I still recommend the ThinkPads because they're just really solid and reliable. And man, that beefy one is beefy. Beefy. I mean, I think I have a pretty tricked out M4 laptop, MacBook Pro, and I don't think it has 192 gigabytes of RAM.

6:24What do you do with all that RAM, y 'all? What are you doing with that? Yeah. Running on-device AI models galore. Yeah. Gaming. Yeah. I don't know what else. I mean, motion, you know, you used to work at Adobe, so I'm sure you're familiar with like things like After Effects probably require a heck of a lot of processor power to do some of that stuff, or at least to do it quickly. Because when you work in the creative industry, I've certainly encountered this, you're limited by the speed at which your machine can kind of keep up with you. And so machines like this are, I think, designed to keep up with you.

6:59It's amazing. Actually, even Android development, we use up a lot of memory, especially if you're using like local emulators for device testing. Those emulators are basically little devices, emulated devices, and those also take up memory. And man, even though I upgraded to 128, I'm still using a lot. So this is actually very tempting, especially with that 12 terabytes of storage and just everything else. So and two Thunderbolt ports like this is a pretty awesome machine. So, yeah, I mean, if you're not a Mac person, I think Lenovo definitely has something for you for sure. I'm actually, yeah.

7:31And with the rate that things are going, don't worry. This will be standard in like two years. Of course, I'm joking. But these things, they continue rolling. And I'm just, I'm continually amazed at the next plateau that we get to. And then five years down the line, that plateau seems so quaint in comparison. Well, it was funny because you're talking about how the gaming laptop was chonky at six pounds. And I think when I was still in college or grad school 20, 15 years ago, I bought my sister a gaming laptop for her undergrad. And that thing was two inches thick, three inches thick. It was like a textbook in and of itself.

8:15And I forgot how much it weighed. I want to say like 10 pounds maybe I think it was a it was like a Dell thing it had crazy fans because we were big gamers at the time but I had gotten a job so I really wanted to like help her out and I swear it caught I swear it weighed like 10 it was ridiculous like a laptop I know they call it a laptop but that's hardly meant for your lap no no my sisters are like five foot one Yeah, it was definitely not a lapper. It was a tabletop. But, you know, it just, what do you do? All right. Well, that's kind of like the practical stuff. And there definitely are a lot of really fun, experimental, conceptual things that Lenovo put out.

8:57So in regards to the concept PCs that they shared, that includes a ThinkBook VertiFlex that features a 14-inch display that can rotate 90 degrees into vertical mode. Perfect for coding, writing, document wrangling. They also showed off a smart motion concept stand that uses sensors to orient the laptop with the user, including gestures and voice controls. That's ideal for ergonomics and accessibility applications. It's almost like a gimbal for your laptop. Yeah, just imagine like that. Imagine your laptop following you around, but not necessarily moving. It's not like a robot, but it's like it just wants to look at you.

9:41It just wants to keep its eyes fixed on you. And finally, the Natura Synth display mimics natural light by using hardware-driven zero blue light technology to bring that dreaded blue light down to less than 1%. I know the blue light thing is real. I know it's legitimate. it. But it's just it's just one of those things that I never activate. And I don't know why. Like, I probably should. Maybe I would find I would feel a difference, you know, if I ever activated those things or, you know, leaned into devices like that. But for whatever reason, I haven't I haven't experienced the benefits of reduce of blue light reduction.

10:26Let's just say that. I yeah, I mean, I believe it that it's a thing, but also my entire life is looking at screens at pretty much every minute of the day. So I, maybe I just feel that I'm a lost cause. Yeah. You're drenched at this point. I'm drenched in blue light. I mean, there's blanketed in blue light. So yeah, my brain, my brain is just going to suffer ill effects regardless. But I mean, if you are really concerned, I think it is a really, if anything, it's a good talking point, especially since we're in the age of like digital wellbeing or health, what do they call it? Like just digital, just better digital health and hygiene.

11:01Lenovo's trying to get you covered just from the source rather than having to wear like expensive $80 blue light glasses. I think there's probably cheaper ones, but yeah, there you go. Those are hot. Those look hot. As our resident developer, what do you think about the VertiFlex? You know, like I think about these displays, I see some people's, you know, what do they call it? Command center or whatever you call it, when you've got a bunch of displays. I'm suddenly now blanking on the name of it. But often I see the vertical display next to a horizontal display. And it took me a while before I realized, oh, that's actually really good for, I guess, coding applications, right?

11:39Do you have a vertical display? Is this the kind of technology that you would be like, oh yeah, I could totally get down with that? I think definitely having the option is cool. I don't have a vertical display. I just have a widescreen that I chop up into bits. But yeah, like it is, having that option is really, really nice. And also as a developer, honestly, half my life is writing documentation. So I really appreciate both. I actually could have used this the other day because I had to do, I had a very long code file. So yeah, I never thought about it like that. Like having a lot, like this is just not in my imagination.

12:11And I wish y 'all could see the pictures. It is kind of crazy looking to imagine just a regular laptop, but with a vertical screen. Yeah, it's crazy. And I would definitely use it. Like I never even thought about that, but I could, yes, please give me. I could see that. Battle station is the word that I was looking for. Battle station, yes. You know, and you got your whole setup. I guess I'm kind of looking at a battle station right now. I just don't have any vertical screens. And then finally, kind of looping back to gaming, gamers might want to check out the new Legion Go 2 Gen 2. This is Lenovo's upgraded gaming handheld 8.8 inch OLED.

12:50I think it's 144 hertz refresh touchscreen display. It has its signature detachable controllers, improved ergonomics, Hall Effect joysticks, full compatibility with previous generation and games and all that. It's a Windows handheld, of course. It's priced at $1 ,049. And that actually ships in October here in the US anyways. So this is not a concept. This is happening. You have a handheld gaming system, right? Yeah, we have the Steam Deck. We have a Steam Deck and we do have not the Switch 2. We did not jump on the bandwagon with everybody else and get stapled. But yeah, this is actually really compelling because it is, I was thinking at first looking at it looks like, you know, a Steam Deck, but it is more of a Switchy 2 kind of thing with the controllers.

13:36And I mean, I always like competition in my gaming sphere. And this is a pretty sexy device. It looks really good. I saw that actually the new controllers are compatible with the old thing, which I think is a really good precedent to set. but especially with everything. But yeah, I mean, go Lenovo. It's a wonderful time to be a gamer, especially a handheld gamer. It's a wonderful time of the year for the gamer. Sorry, I need to remember not to sing on this show. You don't need to hear me sing. Is that a rule that we have? We don't sing? No, it's a self-imposed rule. The problem is I commit to the bid and then halfway through, I'm like, what am I even doing like that?

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17:38All right, there's more we need to know today. So much more. So let's get to the briefs. All right, well, meta threads. And now let's users attach text documents up to 10 ,000 characters to post, pushing far, far, far beyond the limit, the standard 500 character limit. Users can tap a new icon to open the Word Editor with formatting options like bold, italics, underlines, and strikethroughs offered up in a toolbar overlay. Those text attachments will sit below the main post and readers will need to expand them to read. Links in the post will also appear as an attachment. Okay, so it is, so like we said at the top, it's like it's 10 ,000 characters with an asterisk.

18:19This isn't like suddenly the threads messages themselves are going to be 10 ,000, although I kind of wouldn't be surprised with these platforms if they go there eventually. because it seems like if your thing is like short and eventually the growth trajectory is, well, what if we also offer long? And then if your thing is long, then your growth trajectory is, what if we also offer short? So they all kind of converge together. So 10 ,000 characters, yes, but it's more like an attachment thing. I'll be really curious to see how this is to interact with as a user. It's so funny. It seems to play along with the lines of like it conforms to it.

18:57And I haven't, to be perfectly frank, I haven't spent a lot of time on short, on the traditional micro blogging sites, including threads. But the last I checked, it seemed like a lot of people were circumventing a lot of the previous character limits when they really want to, not micro blog, but proper blog on a micro blogging service. Using like images with like text, text, text, you know, with like screenshots of basically text documents. This feels like, okay, you know what? Yeah. We're going to give you a word processor inside of your micro blocking. We're just going to go there. Okay. We've got an amazing idea.

19:31It's called a word processor in 2025. Mind blown. Oh my goodness. You go threads. I'm curious. We'll see what it, what it's like to interact with. The European union fined Google$2.5 billion for abusing its dominance in the digital ad tech industry, saying Google has, quote, inherent conflicts of interest along the ad tech supply chain. Now, EU regulators say Google's ad tech practices unfairly limited competition hurt rivals may warrant the divestiture of some of its business. So that will that remains to be seen. This is the second largest antitrust fine ever in the U.S. Sorry, in the EU that That follows 2018's ruling also against Google for anti-competitive practices related to its Android operating system.

20:29Google's also involved, by the way, in a similar case here in the U.S. That's expected to go to trial later this month. So these cases in the two very different geographical areas kind of in lockstep to a certain degree. And Google's kind of dizzy right now just trying to deal with all of it. I know we talked about this on our other show about the other ruling with the DOJ and them not having to divest Chrome and Android. But this feels like and that kind of felt definitely like a slap on the wrist. Like we maybe some of us who were hoping to see a little more out of that didn't get anything out of that.

21:05But and then on the flip side with the ads cases, it seems like they're definitely getting. Would you say punched or prodded or poked maybe like a little more not necessarily slap on the wrist, but getting a little more substantive like. penalty. They're actually being held to account. Potentially so. Potentially so. I mean, all of these things have to stand the possibility of really reshaping how Google does business based on how things... Not that I thought Google was going to be forced to sell off Chrome or Android. So I really did truly think that that wasn't going to happen. But I wouldn't be surprised if what we're seeing right now in the technology climate and the political climate of right now, especially here in the U.S., it seems like politically, the tech companies were once facing a lot of dire straits.

21:58And now kind of things seem to be easing maybe a little bit through political pressure. Maybe that's my own biases painting the picture a little bit. But I I think it's to a certain degree, it feels right versus the EU where they're like, no, this is wrong. Like we're going to push this to the end. And I think that's what's really interesting to me right now is kind of seeing how something seems so certain. And then they're being kind of undone. But there's so many different places around the world where these things are happening. And so I kind of thought they'd be all on the same page and going in a similar direction.

22:36seems like that's changing a little bit. Yeah, for sure. All right, well, Apple's September 9th, awe-dropping, I literally just got this pun about 10 seconds before reading this, awe-dropping hardware events will of course reveal new iPhone 17 models with the redesigned backplate along with the iPhone 17 Air. But Mark Gurman on Bloomberg shared more details about what else to expect, including the Apple Vision Pro's first hardware update. okay don't get too excited though as the changes are minor including a new chip upgrade from the current m2 apple has tested both the m4 and 5 there's also consideration of a new space black color apple also plans to bring a brighter display and satellite connectivity to the apple watch series 11 a new space black color you know the meta quest was always black you know in color but is it space black jason yes oh i see so it's more black than just straight straight up black yes like like the depths of a black hole in your soul no never mind sorry none more black sorry that was that was a spinal tap reference i'm really excited for the new episode all right everybody.

23:54Okay. So like an upgrade or not episode movie, um, upgrade, not major upgrade, but upgrade nonetheless. And then satellite connectivity on your Apple watch series 11. Oh, speaking of satellite connectivity, just real total tangent. I did not plan to go in this direction, but it just really jogged my memory because I was on a backpacking trip in the Trinity Alps last week. And I had my pixel 10 pro with me and had the little, you know, I'm in the mountains. I'm deep in the mountains. There's no connectivity unless we scale that peak, which happened one time. And I was like, oh, my goodness, my phone started going nuts.

24:28Every other time I got the little satellite thing and I was like, oh, I can finally test out the satellite thing. Turns out my plan doesn't support it. I thought that satellite was included on T-Mobile, but apparently I'm wrong. And it just has me thinking we don't have the answer right now. But like, what's the point of satellite connectivity as like a last result kind of fix, fix you, fix your scenario in a situation where you're stranded, blah, blah, blah. If you're in a place where you can't like upgrade your service to, to tap into it, like I couldn't use it. And I was like, oh, I thought I would be able to, but maybe that's more of me problem.

25:05No, that's, that feels like the whole point of the satellite connectivity. That's kind of what I thought. That was my understanding. And that's how it feels like the marketing has been. Okay. This is like, I should be buying Earthquake and Godzilla insurance just in case, even though I knock on wood. Anyway, I don't know. So would you say, Jason, that your awe dropped? Your awe dropped? You would say that your awe did not drop or did drop at this slew of announcements from Apple? upcoming from Apple? I don't know. My awe is firmly in place. My awe is still in my pocket. I haven't pulled it out of the pocket yet to know whether it's going to drop to the ground or rise to the sky.

25:50OpenAI will launch its own AI chip next year in a partnership with Broadcom. The custom chip is set for internal use only. OpenAI's move follows what other major tech companies, you know, companies like Google, Amazon and Meta have done in recent years, kind of developing or kind of owning their own ship through a partnership or however they pull that off, shifting their own reliance, in other words, on other companies' hardware. And you can imagine that other company often ends up being companies like NVIDIA and they want to move to their own solutions. So it sounds like OpenAI is working with Broadcom to make that happen.

26:29Okay, well, OnePlus and Hasselblad are ending their five-year partnership as OnePlus develops its own camera system called the Geetail Max Engine. No reason for the split was shared. However, OnePlus CEO Pete Lau is testing a prototype of the new camera system, which aims to bring clearer images to the company's phones. The OnePlus 14 is set to be the first phone without the Hasselblad name printed next to the camera. Parent company Oppo, meanwhile, has renewed its partnership with Hasselblad for its future products. So Oppo and OnePlus not necessarily sharing the same camera strategy, even though sometimes the hardware kind of shares a lot between the two.

27:10I don't know. Are you going to be sad to not see Hasselblad printed next to a OnePlus camera? I've so far, like I've been not unconvinced. Well, I guess kind of unconvinced. I, again, really uncertain as far as like what that Hasselblad really brings to the OnePlus camera, because the OnePlus camera is fine. It's, you know, as fine as most kind of mid-tier, mid to upper tier smartphones are, but definitely not cream of the crop. Definitely not the best. So I was, I was really unclear as far as like what the Hasselblad color tuning and all that was really doing to the quality of the photo. Yeah, I think with this and then I think is it Xiaomi who has like a Zeiss partnership, something like that.

27:51It feels like for a time it was part of like the marketing premium like feel of a phone to have like a partnership with like a kind of a prestigious optical company like Hasselblad or Zeiss. But it's not too far off from the processor story. It feels like a lot of companies are being like, hey, we want to prioritize maybe our own development, whether that's for just literally just being able to say or control their own systems, whether it's a camera system or processor. Or whether it, I don't know, has something to do with the current socio-economic. Again, for the hundredth time, not an economist of any sort, but whether that's some response also to supply chain or socioeconomic forces or it kind of just all goes together.

28:36It's interesting to see. And as you said, if it's just for the name and it's not really like wowing anybody, maybe it does behoove them to kind of do their own thing and see if they can kind of create a niche for themselves along with, say, the Apples and the Pixels and the other more premier camera systems on phones. I don't doubt that it did something. I'm sure I'm sure that, you know, that relationship had benefits to the output of the camera, the pictures taken, you know, through those lenses with that technology integrated. I'm sure it did something. But it was never the sort of thing where I was like, oh, my goodness, this is miles up, you know, further than we've ever seen.

29:19It was kind of like, OK, in some ways it felt more like branding than anything. Yeah. It's like we've got Hasselblad on there. So see our cameras better. Even though when you use the camera, it's kind of like, meh, it's fine. So anyways, well, speaking of cameras and photos, Google Photos now offers free users a way to animate their camera roll with an upgrade to VO3 integration. So VO2, because you may be thinking like, I thought I already saw this in Google Photos, as I did when I read this story. But the difference is VO2 was the model that was used inside of Google Photos that began in July.

29:56So if you saw that feature in your Google Photos app, which allows you to take a single photo from your photo roll and animate it with AI, as hilarious as it usually is, that was using VO2. Now the update brings VO3's higher quality results to all free accounts. There are strict daily limits. They did not specify how many you could do in a single day, though. I think that's a little strange, but there you are. Google Photos creations, however, will not include sound generation, which was a major feature that was launched as part of VO3 earlier this summer. And maybe part of that is because I already know what I sound like.

30:37And if I animate a photo of me and then I end up sounding like Kermit the Frog, maybe I get angry. I get very upset. I don't know. I'm kind of curious to see if the VO3 works significantly better because I did try some and it was at first glance it's very impressive and then you look a little closer and it's like that is that's not me. That's not it has become not me like definitely uncanny valleyness but it's a really cute thing. I really think they're trying to make VO3 happen like or via like like photos to videos Google really wants to make this happen. They want to make fetch happen. Well there's certainly doing some really interesting things in that regard.

31:16VO3 was incredibly impressive. Okay. I'll give it another shot and see if I look more like me when I animate my photo. What they need to do is they need, well, maybe they don't. A lot of people would probably yell at me and be like, don't tell them they need to do that. But they already have access to your entire Google Photos library. They know what you look like a million times because there's a million pictures of you. So, you know, instead of using one photo to create my likeness throughout that animation, use them all. Okay. That's a horrible idea. Don't do that, Google. You'll make people very upset if you do that.

31:50It would probably improve the accuracy though. I think that suggestion is amazing. All right. Well, Facebook is trying to make poke cool again. Users will soon find the classic poke feature appearing more prominently on user profiles in an effort to appeal to younger users. Users will still be able to track poke counts with friends and will be notified when they are poked. The feature never really went away, apparently, and younger users have been using it lately. Seeing a 13x spike in use last year, users can track pokes at facebook.com slash pokes. I had no idea this was still around. I thought pokes were done.

32:27I thought they were poked.

32:33Oh my gosh. I don't think I ever did. I ever poke anybody on Facebook. I know I've poked my husband in real life, like, you know, when he needs to wash dishes or something. But wow. OK. And a 13x spike is pretty impressive. The younger folks, the young people be poking. Got it. Got to get that engagement somehow. Oh, my gosh. All right. Well, do you need a snazzy gift for a coworker or colleague? Well, we got something for you. We got dozens of ideas. In fact, at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash store. Do you want a mug, a t-shirt, a mouse pad with our new DTNS logo? Well, head on over. They're great gifts and, more importantly, a great way to support the show.

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34:43And we end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. Today, Chris points out an interesting wrinkle in the Dolby Vision 2 announcement that we discussed earlier this week. Chris writes, Hello, Samsung has never and probably never will support Dolby Vision. They only support the competing equivalent HDR +, which they helped develop, but it has kind of lost the content format work. Samsung has said it's because HDR +, is license-free. It seems that Samsung thinks that they stick in long enough, HDR +, will win, or they are in a sunken cost fallacy. LG and Sony only support DV and HDR, not HDR +, while some, Philips and Panasonic, also support HDR+.

35:29Best would be if everyone supported both HDR +, and DV, and let the content more play out. Chris. Yeah, there's so many different formats and all those things. It's hard to get everybody on the same boat. Everybody's got their own intentions and their own endgame, especially Samsung. Samsung loves to try and, you know, chart its own course when it comes to this stuff. Yeah, especially since they have kind of like the, what would the tech company equivalent of clout be or power, staying power? Samsung staying power. But I think sunk cost fallacy is not a bad evaluation, Chris, of what might be happening.

36:08And they just have the resources and patience to do it. Yeah, yeah, that's true. What are you thinking about if you have anything on your mind or you have insight into a story? You can share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Big thanks to Chris for contributing to today's show. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. You can keep us in business by becoming a patron at Patreon.com slash DTNS. We'll see you Monday. This week's episodes of Daily Tech News Show were created by so many people. In fact, the following people. Host, producer, writer, Tom Merritt. Host, writer, Jason Howell.

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